If nobody targets Guardman tonight, and then tomorrow someone winds up crazy, it will mean that someone else is spreading his madness (either Zind or Ria). I will open up and say that I have never targeted Guardman with my ability, so I know it's not me.
Also, it appears that Joboman is at L-3 and several people are hedging their bets on him (Infinis / Shalako). Is anyone out there totally against lynching him today? While I believe he's scum, it would be nice to know who was against his lynch in case he does flip town.
I'm against. Diggy was the scum of that mason group.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
So even after It was basically proved that I was a sane cop, I'm still scum somehow?
People, think this through. You're better than that.
You haven't proved anything. You claimed your result after vezokpiraka did - and while he was the cult his failed ability was proof of Seppel being scum. Your second result was investigating yourself, which was a wasted investigation and proves nothing. Your third result was not submitted in time.
So yes, without original results, you have yet to prove you are a sane cop.
You haven't proved anything. You claimed your result after vezokpiraka did - and while he was the cult his failed ability was proof of Seppel being scum. Your second result was investigating yourself, which was a wasted investigation and proves nothing. Your third result was not submitted in time.
So yes, without original results, you have yet to prove you are a sane cop.
IF i were to be scum, why would I falseclaim sane cop after somebody else claims an investigation result?
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
And taylor v diggy, is worse than seppel v joboman so If we conform jskura we confirm joboman
Joboman is either scum or unhelpful town. How do you fail to send in an investigation? His OMGUS voting of Ria doesn't give me faith either, especially since Ria was confirmed by Arcadic and Infinis.
Either way, his lynch clears up a lot. Jskura just stepped into a role that was under lots of scrutiny (sort of like I did in Basic 30**), so we should at least give him time to post content before lynching him.
**In Basic 30 I replaced in for a guy that people thought was scum. I was actually the vig, and revealed most of the scumteam, but nobody believed me since the guy I replaced in for was acting shady. Essentially I walked into a role where my hands were tied.
I was town, I'm a psychiatrist who attempts to cure people who believe that may be inhuman. I have no idea what that means. My ability says that both I and my targets will be notified of whatever effect my ability has on the target player's role or abilities.
Now, in the PM I received from Annorax when I subbed in, there wasnt a whole lot to it. Basically, that I was a mason, and the group consisted of myself, jobo, and vezo. Does anyone in their PM have a notice about anything regarding themselves? My guess would be there would only be 1 person (yay, SK), but based on the fact there was only 1 kill in the last night stage, I dont think we would have an SK? The docs could have gotten lucky with protection targets I guess, but I dont think I see it as a possibility.
As of right now, I would be comfortable with any of these 3 lynches as of this post (in no particular order):
Shalako (based on claim screwiness)
Infinis (but this will probably go away once I know the exact claim)
jobo (tryin to figure out what the hell is going on with the investigation thing)
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Odd that zin says he & his target will be notified of whatever effect his ability has on the target, & then Annie said it didn't have the expected effect (but still an effect), yet g-man had no notification to report. I hate inconsistancies that involve the mod :/
So Infinis, just a single shot vig? None of this silliness with cop/doc?
I'm still in the process of trying to piece together the whole jobo thing earlier today.
Also, call me for fishing here all you want, but zind claimed this:
Now, in the PM I received from Annorax when I subbed in, there wasnt a whole lot to it. Basically, that I was a mason, and the group consisted of myself, jobo, and vezo. Does anyone in their PM have a notice about anything regarding themselves? My guess would be there would only be 1 person (yay, SK), but based on the fact there was only 1 kill in the last night stage, I dont think we would have an SK? The docs could have gotten lucky with protection targets I guess, but I dont think I see it as a possibility.
As of right now, I would be comfortable with any of these 3 lynches as of this post (in no particular order):
Shalako (based on claim screwiness)
Infinis (but this will probably go away once I know the exact claim)
jobo (tryin to figure out what the hell is going on with the investigation thing)
Good points about the Zinda Claim. He even attempts to buddy up with Rian at the end, one of the few confirmed town.
We already have a sorta kinda dead SK in Nai, though. We had at least 1 SK, its possible there's 2 or more, but highly doubtful considering the lack of deaths n3. Anyway, further speculation on this isn't really conductive to scum hunting.
Jobo where do you get you have proven anything is beyond me, like others have already stated everything from your initial 'claim' to your 'targets' has been a mess furthermore you forgot to send an investigation last night but somehow managed to send it before even noticing the day had started (which is odd, i mean you have to Open CP for that and if you have the game subscribed it would pop up and the title would clearly state Day 4, its not rocket science) then you claim Annorax 'let it slide' and gave you a Faile result, confirming what exactly? That YOU tried to target and failed for some reason, that in itself does not mean everyone will fail though so why you think this makes Rian scum is beyond me.
I am unsure how to take Zinda, if he truly is a psychiatrist then that means we have a Hannibal Lecter type role still around (Psychiatrist are Designed to Counter SK's but revert to something else once all SK's are gone i think thats what the Wiki stated), but in that case the number of kills last night seems off.
I am willing to give Jskura a chance its not easy to have to replace someone with so much stuff already around.
I had mentioned intent to vote so Vote Jobo his recent actions are just the culmination of mess after mess if you ask me.
Jobo is now at L-2.
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Okay.
1. I believe that Jobomans Failed Gambit is possible from both a scum and a town prospective.
2. I believe that The Taylor vs. Diggy interaction is stronger then The Seppel vs. Joboman interaction.
this is because Joboman would accomplish two very important goals.
A. Be
"Confirmed" as a Cop.
B. Would out Vezo so that Vezo would not get a failed target on him(Because he was "for" the plan but outed Vezo as a cult leader.)
The flip side is I think that Joboman is failtastic enough to do this as town, and is convinced beyond reasoning that Rin is Scum and would fake getting a scum result on him just to get him lynched.
Hence no vote on him from me.
This is why I still think you might be scum, since you don't actually do anything, but your empty posts give you the appearance of staying active.
I'm torn between letting Jobo live and just lynching him today to avoid further WIFOM distractions.
Diggy is likely town due to his Vezo and Taylor interactions.
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Gonna do a re-read of Shalako but his play reminds me of Basic 29 so far, where he was scum.
What specifically?
You can also read Library mafia for a confirmed town game of mine.
So Infinis, just a single shot vig? None of this silliness with cop/doc?
Correct.
Now, in the PM I received from Annorax when I subbed in, there wasnt a whole lot to it. Basically, that I was a mason, and the group consisted of myself, jobo, and vezo. Does anyone in their PM have a notice about anything regarding themselves?
Mine says if people target me.
interesting that you are V.T.
My guess would be there would only be 1 person (yay, SK), but based on the fact there was only 1 kill in the last night stage, I dont think we would have an SK? The docs could have gotten lucky with protection targets I guess, but I dont think I see it as a possibility.
or they hit someone who is bullet proof.
or the scum are using their other Role abilities.
or (and this could be a problem and I believe it is the most likely.)
there are few scum left and we are down to weeding out the neutrals.
As of right now, I would be comfortable with any of these 3 lynches as of this post (in no particular order):
Shalako (based on claim screwiness)
Infinis (but this will probably go away once I know the exact claim)
jobo (tryin to figure out what the hell is going on with the investigation thing)
Why is screwiness a scum tell?
I have explained my logic for doing what I have done.
I was aware that it would attract attention to myself but I figured it was better then killing people randomly.
If people don`t believe my claim I would suggest forcing one of the scummier players to target me.
This has the advantage of if they don`t target me and the scum think they do we kill scum.
and in fact the only disadvantage I see is me dieing and taking one of the scummier players with me.
Oh.
1. My post in read was basicly me saying WTF how do you think you are a confirmed cop.
2. I will be getting drunk for the next two days.
as such I will be casting a vote when I get back as there should be a multitude of content for me to peruse
3. Zin will turn into yet another doc typically if his target is changed(and typically his target would turn into a townie.)
Interesting how you get that I'm a V.T. when both myself/diggy, and jobo have verified that we are masons. Basically vanilla, but I get to talk with an extra person. Whoo! I can almost see why diggy wanted to get recruited into the cult, would make the game more interesting from his standpoint.
Now, Shalako...why did you answer my question to Infinis about his role? How are you going to know that he isnt a shapeshifter with the other two abilities?
Also, based on everyones claim at this point, who would you believe to be bulletproof? If you think there is someone that is, it could be a good place to start with a PoE down. What other scum abilities do you think the scum would have over wanting to kill someone? I know in basics, if there is one scum left and s/he is the RB, then s/he would be RBing instead of killing if there is a cop around. Even on top of that, if I read the first post, there is already a dead RB.
Neutrals, I could probably see being in the game, and would probably be hiding in the harder to confirm roles. Only problem is, out of everyones claim, how many of them are easy to prove? Speaking of easy to prove roles, havent we already seen a Super-saint in the game? Although, that was a super duper super saint, so it might not count.
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Interesting how you get that I'm a V.T. when both myself/diggy, and jobo have verified that we are masons. Basically vanilla, but I get to talk with an extra person. Whoo! I can almost see why diggy wanted to get recruited into the cult, would make the game more interesting from his standpoint.
I`m thinking of Seppels claim.
Now, Shalako...why did you answer my question to Infinis about his role? How are you going to know that he isnt a shapeshifter with the other two abilities?
because He said it was a gambit.
If it was some sort of double crossing gambit where he really has other abilites he wouldnt tell us.
So all the information in thread points to him telling the truth.
Also, based on everyones claim at this point, who would you believe to be bulletproof?
Lying Scum.
If you think there is someone that is, it could be a good place to start with a PoE down. What other scum abilities do you think the scum would have over wanting to kill someone?
If they are:
Claiming Doc.
Claiming Cop.
Think they are likely to be targed by the redirecter/Watcher/tracker.
I know in basics, if there is one scum left and s/he is the RB, then s/he would be RBing instead of killing if there is a cop around. Even on top of that, if I read the first post, there is already a dead RB.
I think(gaming the setup)that
A. They have a back up.
This idea is supported by the fact that we have a back up.
or./and.
B. Scum are lying about their claim.
Neutrals, I could probably see being in the game, and would probably be hiding in the harder to confirm roles. Only problem is, out of everyones claim, how many of them are easy to prove? Speaking of easy to prove roles, havent we already seen a Super-saint in the game? Although, that was a super duper super saint, so it might not count.
Mine is easy to prove.
I have already stated how.
*Looks up*Claiming fail.
I meant to copy paste my role name in and forgot.
paranoid gun nut
I have no other abilites.
I have confirmed via pm that I can be hit with day abilities.
so if we have a day cop or such, now would be a good time to say so.
I covered Seppel's ass Last Night with my Ability.
@Shalako: Thank you for finally posting some analysis. With that said, I've found your play this game wildly inconsistent from Basic 30 where you were town, and therefore need to read Basic 29 where you were scum. Also your claim seems to slightly change each time you make it.
However since you've claimed a static ability, your WIFOM isn't nearly as disruptive as Jobo's since it basically involves you either directing L_P to use his ability on you or simply you saying "target me" repeatedly.
The more I really think about it, the more I think we should proceed with a Jobo lynch. He's unreliable, and the town is already in fantastic shape with at least one confirmed cop (Arcadic), two docs (I've come to believe TIK), a redirector, and a tracker. Not to mention Infinis's transformers ability. On the off chance Jobo is town, we're still in fine shape, and like Arcadic said, we avoid his WIFOM tomorrow. Ever since he barned the Vezo result, we can't be sure that he's legit. The actual scumhunting he does is mostly weak cases on townies (Rianalnn and Arcadic).
@Jobo, you're at L-2, so if you want to add anything to your numerous claims (mason / cop / vig) please do so soon.
VOTE COUNT
Taylor (2) - AlphaInsidious, Dagger
khorney06 (5) - Infinis, rianalnn, lost_profit, Seppel, diggy
Lost_Profit (3) - Red_Omega, Smitster, khorney
rianalnn (2) - Joboman, Guardman
Nai (1)- Pale Mage
Vulpix and TheMidnightPython have been prodded. If they are not active and participating by the end of Day 1 and/or 8 PM CST Sunday, they will be replaced and nominated for the blacklist.
VOTE COUNT Taylor 2 -AlphaInsidious, Archmage Eternal The Ice King 4 - Infinis, Guardman, Joboman, Nai Lost_Profit 2- Smitster, The Ice King Arcadic 9 - Seppel, rianalnn, Pale Mage, vezokpiraka, Taylor, Red Omega, Shalako, Toastboy, Ambassador Laquatus, Nai 1 - Lost Profit
25 alive, 13 to lynch. I'm probably wrong, let me know if I am.
VOTE COUNT Taylor - 1 - Archmage Eternal The Ice King - 1 - Nai Dagger - 1 -The Ice King Arcadic - 7 - vezokpiraka, Taylor, Ambassador Laquatus, zindabad, Dagger, Arcadic, Joboman Nai - 1 - Lost Profit zindabad - 1 -Sepiriel, vezokpiraka - 1 -Guardman Sepiriel - 3 - Seppel, rianalnn, Toastboy Lost Profit - 1 - Shalako
25 alive, 13 to lynch, post if I'm wrong. Waiting on Zebi's final decision about a replacement and trying to build a list of potential replacements, since this game seems to need them.
VOTE COUNT The Ice King - 1 - Nai Arcadic - 6 - vezokpiraka, Ambassador Laquatus, Dagger, Joboman, red_omega Nai - 13 - Lost Profit, Seppel, rianalnn, shalako, guardman, zindbad, taylor, Archmage Eternal, JSColton, Sepiriel, Arcadic, The Ice King, AmbassadorLaquatus Sepiriel - 1 - Toastboy
As Nai's slip of the tongue becomes word around the town, the townspeople quietly gather up their ropes, guns, and other traditional implements of lynching. Finally, someone decides to just light his dumb ass on fire.
And dumb ass he is. Nai was actually only recently paroled; seems the 7 people he serially killed in his last town weren't enough to keep him locked up forever. Apparently he was so reformed that he didn't even bother to remember he was a townie now.
Nai, Town Postminer SK/Mason has been lynched. And you don't get to know what a postminer is until endgame.
Night begins now and will end on Thursday, Oct 21 at 8 PM Central time. All actions are due to me by then; extensions are unlikely.
The town finally comes to a consensus and decides yet again that a Freudian slip, alcohol-fueled or not, is worthy of a death sentence. Wary of making the same mistake they did yesterday and lynching a townie, they discussed their choice for a time before deciding finally to string up vezokpiraka.
This time, though, the town was correct. Vezokpiraka, Cult Leader, has been lynched. He had not yet recruited, so there will be no suicides in front of the gallows.
It is now Night 2. Day begins Tuesday 11/2, 8 PM CDT; actions not received by then will be forfeited.
SOMETHING THAT IS NOT RIGGED LIKE WHAT HAPPENED HERE YESTERDAY:
Nakamura - 1 (Seppel)
AlphaInsidious - 1 (Ambassador Laquatus)
Seppel - 3 (zindabad; Infinis, Shalako)
I know what mafiascum says psychiatrist is, but I remind you that (AFAIK) it's never been used for that purpose on this site. The only other place I've seen it used was as Zionite's mafia role in Cubus's Normal, and it worked as a sort of recruiting role.
So there's no guarantee that my role works with SKs, and my role makes no mention of SKs.
I still can't figure out why we're letting Cyouni pass. In fact - Infinis is still the SK, btw, but as long as he's playing cop I'm going to let him slide for at least one night - I'm going to vote him now. unvote; vote Cyouni.
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I bluffed full day vig, only. I am also doc and cop. I have not assumed doc role yet.
Thanks for the vote counts.
I haven't voted you shalako because honestly this is my first game with u and u remind me of d_v who I can't read either. That said I'm fine with your lynch.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
Your WIFOM is the nice way of putting your really horrible phrasing and wording if you truly are town (which I doubt).
While I admit I am a bit of a newbie, so I may be putting a bit too much into this, (someone other than Joboman has to tell me this) but I feel like your actions, and specifically your quote of this:
So even after It was basically proved that I was a sane cop, I'm still scum somehow?
I am guessing you have been playing for quite a while, so you should realize this means nothing more than trying to convince people off your wagon. You missed the cutoff, and came up with some story that annorax allowed a late submission? There is no way any mod would allow that as the day starts for several reasons (and i wouldn't doubt it if someone from the mafia team actually pmed annorax to ask if that was really allowed)
Surely even you realize, that the same things that could "confirm" you as a sane cop, could also "confirm" you as a scum, right?
I know what mafiascum says psychiatrist is, but I remind you that (AFAIK) it's never been used for that purpose on this site. The only other place I've seen it used was as Zionite's mafia role in Cubus's Normal, and it worked as a sort of recruiting role.
Annorax has already used a few roles I've never seen before, such as CPR doctor and a town SK. Precedence means little here.
I bluffed full day vig, only. I am also doc and cop. I have not assumed doc role yet.
Thanks for the vote counts.
I haven't voted you shalako because honestly this is my first game with u and u remind me of d_v who I can't read either. That said I'm fine with your lynch.
Just so I can understand this a bit better (since your claim is sort of spread out across the day).
1. You can take the role of cop, doc, or vig.
2. They are one shot abilities.
3. You have not become the doc yet.
Correct?
Also Jobo is at L-1. Honestly after what he has pulled today and rereading what he has done before with his abilities, there is really nothing to prove that he is town or sane cop other than a lot of WIFOM. Therefore I have no problem with him being the lynch for today.
Also I am not liking Zindabad. I received no PM about him targeting me last night which flies right in the face of his claim. Also I am not sure about Cyouni's craziness, but I am fairly positive that my craziness is built into my role and I was not turned crazy. I would really prefer if nobody targeted me tonight so that we can test my theory that I only go crazy when somebody targets me.
Also I am not liking Zindabad. I received no PM about him targeting me last night which flies right in the face of his claim. Also I am not sure about Cyouni's craziness, but I am fairly positive that my craziness is built into my role and I was not turned crazy. I would really prefer if nobody targeted me tonight so that we can test my theory that I only go crazy when somebody targets me.
One more time, my targets are informed of what results my ability has. It evidently had no effect on you, but the act of targeting you did, as I think we will prove tonight with what you have requested here.
I plan on targeting Infinis tonight.
@L_P: Yes, that's exactly my point. Some people are suggesting that because I am a psychiatrist, my role interacts with SKs because that's how mafiascum defines the role, and I'm saying there is no indication of that and we shouldn't take what mafiascum says as precedent in this case.
Your WIFOM is the nice way of putting your really horrible phrasing and wording if you truly are town (which I doubt).
While I admit I am a bit of a newbie, so I may be putting a bit too much into this, (someone other than Joboman has to tell me this) but I feel like your actions, and specifically your quote of this:
I am guessing you have been playing for quite a while, so you should realize this means nothing more than trying to convince people off your wagon. You missed the cutoff, and came up with some story that annorax allowed a late submission? There is no way any mod would allow that as the day starts for several reasons (and i wouldn't doubt it if someone from the mafia team actually pmed annorax to ask if that was really allowed)
Surely even you realize, that the same things that could "confirm" you as a sane cop, could also "confirm" you as a scum, right?
Vote stands unless someone does the "Nai Slip".
Just think about this.
So lets say that I am scum, and I'm in a mason group with Diggy and Vezo, and vezo claims Cop, and getting a successful scum result on Seppel, my scumbuddy. Why would I false-claim cop? The only positive result of getting Seppel lynched and being on the lynch is that I look townie, while claiming cop lets me get that same benefit, but also puts more attention on me for absolutely no reason. As scum, WIFOM or no WIFOM, it would never be the optimal play there to claim for no reason.
Now, lets assume that I survive until this day, lying the whole way through. Why would I say that Annorax responded to my late investigation? I knew when I said it that this would bring more attention to me (and it has), and claiming a failed result which would get me lynched. The best thing that would happened is that a Tracker would be lynched, which is good but not worth the life of a scum.
To be quite frank guys, I'm not this bad. Please just look through what I've said and see that a scum would have no reason to do what I've done.
Also, please don't cite WIFOM on me. Its only WIFOM if both options have equal positive results, but WIFOM doesn't apply in a situation like this where one of my options has CLEARLY a worse outcome for me.
@L_P: Yes, that's exactly my point. Some people are suggesting that because I am a psychiatrist, my role interacts with SKs because that's how mafiascum defines the role, and I'm saying there is no indication of that and we shouldn't take what mafiascum says as precedent in this case.
I was arguing the other way, that they are unusual roles that I've never seen before, but are apparently properly named.
Seems irrelevant in the long run.
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So lets say that I am scum, and I'm in a mason group with Diggy and Vezo, and vezo claims Cop, and getting a successful scum result on Seppel, my scumbuddy. Why would I false-claim cop? The only positive result of getting Seppel lynched and being on the lynch is that I look townie, while claiming cop lets me get that same benefit, but also puts more attention on me for absolutely no reason. As scum, WIFOM or no WIFOM, it would never be the optimal play there to claim for no reason.
Being on the wagon of a scum outed by a cop investigation gives you 0 clearance whatsoever.
Having an investigation of a scum can give clearance.
Now, lets assume that I survive until this day, lying the whole way through. Why would I say that Annorax responded to my late investigation? I knew when I said it that this would bring more attention to me (and it has), and claiming a failed result which would get me lynched. The best thing that would happened is that a Tracker would be lynched, which is good but not worth the life of a scum.
If you knew it was going to cause problems, why did you do it in the first place, regardless of alignment?
To be quite frank guys, I'm not this bad.
You've outed yourself when vezokpiraka's investigation might have been enough, you've wasted an investigation on yourself, and you've forgot to submit an investigation. Then you threaten a vig shot that you don't have. Clearly you are playing "that bad."
Also, please don't cite WIFOM on me. Its only WIFOM if both options have equal positive results, but WIFOM doesn't apply in a situation like this where one of my options has CLEARLY a worse outcome for me.
What you are saying, in essence, is
"I don't make stupid mistakes as scum."
which is untrue and WIFOM.
Being on the wagon of a scum outed by a cop investigation gives you 0 clearance whatsoever.
hmm.
Having an investigation of a scum can give clearance.
Obviously not according to you guys.
If you knew it was going to cause problems, why did you do it in the first place, regardless of alignment?
Because I thought that I was able to catch 2 scum. Also, this doesn't answer my point.
You've outed yourself when vezokpiraka's investigation might have been enough, you've wasted an investigation on yourself, and you've forgot to submit an investigation. Then you threaten a vig shot that you don't have. Clearly you are playing "that bad."
Investigating myself wasn't a waste.
Even with the threatened vig shot, that's not what made everyone think I'm scum, its the whole thing with getting a failed result.
What you are saying, in essence, is
"I don't make stupid mistakes as scum."
which is untrue and WIFOM.
Are you just ignoring what I've said? My "mistakes" are not mistakes, people just don't believe me.
I'm saying "I don't make stupid plays that are unfavorable as scum"
You were high up in most players' cleared piles after Seppel's death. It has been slowly receding.
Because I thought that I was able to catch 2 scum. Also, this doesn't answer my point.
You didn't present it as such. You decided to try and be coy, add a touch of fake claim, and then sit around for a few days.
You had supposedly caught two scum. How many do you think are left?
Even with the threatened vig shot, that's not what made everyone think I'm scum, its the whole thing with getting a failed result.
I don't even know if it is that. It's been more of the presentation than the actual result.
Of note, you specifically said Annorax "would allow" your late submission, and THEN he failed it. Which runs counter to the two successfully claimed abilities on rianalnn. Everyone has since assumed that your action failed due to timing, but that was not your original claim.
Are you just ignoring what I've said? My "mistakes" are not mistakes, people just don't believe me.
I'm saying "I don't make stupid plays that are unfavorable as scum"
You forgetting to investigate/forgetting to claim to investigate was a mistake. To slow roll your "result" was a mistake.
And lastly, saying "I don't make stupid plays that are unfavorable as scum" implies that you do as town. Which is the essence of WIFOM. Most players try not to make stupid plays that are unfavorable in the first place. When it does happen, it is not automatically indicative of alignment.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
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Just like to say how Shalako and LP, two of the people being most agressive towards me, have yet to commit to a vote. Naughty, naughty.
Besides being at L-1 already, I've said I don't plan on voting you today, unless the game starts stagnating.
You've acted terribly scummy, but if wrong your role is not one I want to mislynch - especially not with equally good options still left. I would much rather lynch Sepiriel today and let you investigate someone tonight, at least. Then if you are lynched tomorrow and do come up town, we have a handy result to use.
@shalako Do you believe voting history is important?
Are you surprised only one person has voted you?
Do you believe casting suspicions without voting is scummy?
@all I've pondered this for a couple of days. Zindabad accuses me of being the SK and that the revealed SK was not really an SK. Mafiascum does have an SK role that interacts with the psychiatrist. I wonder why he did not target me before? He explains that he will cure someone non-human. Funny how that is me and that he will try and cure me. Cure me of being cop and doc? Not one shots, full, guardman.
So there are two crazies and possible SK and yet zinda's role does something else besides address these two things?
Also the joboman is stuck, and you know what that means wagon analysis maybe today or tomorrow.
I also enjoyed how jsakura just jumped in and attached herself to the biggest wagons plus barning zinda completely.
I'm amused that [Shalako], of all people, are talking about terrible reasoning. "Hey, PF's RVS daykill must be serious, therefore I should shoot him to prove that I have a daykill!"
@all I've pondered this for a couple of days. Zindabad accuses me of being the SK and that the revealed SK was not really an SK. Mafiascum does have an SK role that interacts with the psychiatrist. I wonder why he did not target me before? He explains that he will cure someone non-human. Funny how that is me and that he will try and cure me.
"Before" implies your role has been known for a while? You only revealed your daykill yesterday, so his one night of targeting Guardman over you doesn't mean much.
I'm against. Diggy was the scum of that mason group.
12-11? I'm losing track
It is plausible that Jobo outed Vezo like he did so vezo wouldnt attempt to cult him.
@Zin, I just wanted to confirm that.
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
My list of preferences for a lynch are, in order:
Sepiriel
Guardman
Cyouni
I will not vote anyone else today, but I do expect joboman to be claiming first thing tomorrow.
Updated: 05/24/11
[The Family]
@Infinis: What do you mean by "my plan"?
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
So even after It was basically proved that I was a sane cop, I'm still scum somehow?
People, think this through. You're better than that.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
So yes, without original results, you have yet to prove you are a sane cop.
Updated: 05/24/11
[The Family]
IF i were to be scum, why would I falseclaim sane cop after somebody else claims an investigation result?
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Are you for real here?
Like really?
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
Your play not plan.
We have something here. wagons, scum lists, investigations, I cant believe we have to lynch a town survivor.
And taylor v diggy, is worse than seppel v joboman so If we conform jskura we confirm joboman
12-11? I'm losing track
This is a terrible response and you know it
Why are you making this dichotomy?
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
It is also a handy claim to keep pressure off.
The timing of your claim is moot.
You presume he's telling the truth about his role, in which case I suggest you don't vote him then.
Updated: 05/24/11
[The Family]
Proved how? You barned a cult leader, investigated yourself "supposedly", and then forgot to send in an investigation.
We'd be idiots if we thought this confirmed you. Whatever happened to your Arcadic / Rianalnn scumbuddy theory?
Joboman is either scum or unhelpful town. How do you fail to send in an investigation? His OMGUS voting of Ria doesn't give me faith either, especially since Ria was confirmed by Arcadic and Infinis.
Either way, his lynch clears up a lot. Jskura just stepped into a role that was under lots of scrutiny (sort of like I did in Basic 30**), so we should at least give him time to post content before lynching him.
**In Basic 30 I replaced in for a guy that people thought was scum. I was actually the vig, and revealed most of the scumteam, but nobody believed me since the guy I replaced in for was acting shady. Essentially I walked into a role where my hands were tied.
Either make a case, place a vote, or post content.
This is why I still think you might be scum, since you don't actually do anything, but your empty posts give you the appearance of staying active.
Pony up, Shalako.
Diggy is likely town due to his Vezo and Taylor interactions.
Gonna do a re-read of Shalako but his play reminds me of Basic 29 so far, where he was scum.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
I'm still in the process of trying to piece together the whole jobo thing earlier today.
Also, call me for fishing here all you want, but zind claimed this:
Now, in the PM I received from Annorax when I subbed in, there wasnt a whole lot to it. Basically, that I was a mason, and the group consisted of myself, jobo, and vezo. Does anyone in their PM have a notice about anything regarding themselves? My guess would be there would only be 1 person (yay, SK), but based on the fact there was only 1 kill in the last night stage, I dont think we would have an SK? The docs could have gotten lucky with protection targets I guess, but I dont think I see it as a possibility.
As of right now, I would be comfortable with any of these 3 lynches as of this post (in no particular order):
Shalako (based on claim screwiness)
Infinis (but this will probably go away once I know the exact claim)
jobo (tryin to figure out what the hell is going on with the investigation thing)
Odd that zin says he & his target will be notified of whatever effect his ability has on the target, & then Annie said it didn't have the expected effect (but still an effect), yet g-man had no notification to report. I hate inconsistancies that involve the mod :/
Good points about the Zinda Claim. He even attempts to buddy up with Rian at the end, one of the few confirmed town.
We already have a sorta kinda dead SK in Nai, though. We had at least 1 SK, its possible there's 2 or more, but highly doubtful considering the lack of deaths n3. Anyway, further speculation on this isn't really conductive to scum hunting.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
I am unsure how to take Zinda, if he truly is a psychiatrist then that means we have a Hannibal Lecter type role still around (Psychiatrist are Designed to Counter SK's but revert to something else once all SK's are gone i think thats what the Wiki stated), but in that case the number of kills last night seems off.
I am willing to give Jskura a chance its not easy to have to replace someone with so much stuff already around.
I had mentioned intent to vote so Vote Jobo his recent actions are just the culmination of mess after mess if you ask me.
Jobo is now at L-2.
Okay.
1. I believe that Jobomans Failed Gambit is possible from both a scum and a town prospective.
2. I believe that The Taylor vs. Diggy interaction is stronger then The Seppel vs. Joboman interaction.
this is because Joboman would accomplish two very important goals.
A. Be
"Confirmed" as a Cop.
B. Would out Vezo so that Vezo would not get a failed target on him(Because he was "for" the plan but outed Vezo as a cult leader.)
The flip side is I think that Joboman is failtastic enough to do this as town, and is convinced beyond reasoning that Rin is Scum and would fake getting a scum result on him just to get him lynched.
Hence no vote on him from me.
Fixed.
Since we have the redirecter claimed and will be able to tell if I die from being hit by both him and the scum Night Kill I will claim.
For reals with no more interlocking gambits.
What specifically?
You can also read Library mafia for a confirmed town game of mine.
(Gambit.
then low content posts.)
Correct.
Mine says if people target me.
interesting that you are V.T.
or they hit someone who is bullet proof.
or the scum are using their other Role abilities.
or (and this could be a problem and I believe it is the most likely.)
there are few scum left and we are down to weeding out the neutrals.
Why is screwiness a scum tell?
I have explained my logic for doing what I have done.
I was aware that it would attract attention to myself but I figured it was better then killing people randomly.
If people don`t believe my claim I would suggest forcing one of the scummier players to target me.
This has the advantage of if they don`t target me and the scum think they do we kill scum.
and in fact the only disadvantage I see is me dieing and taking one of the scummier players with me.
Oh.
1. My post in read was basicly me saying WTF how do you think you are a confirmed cop.
2. I will be getting drunk for the next two days.
as such I will be casting a vote when I get back as there should be a multitude of content for me to peruse
3. Zin will turn into yet another doc typically if his target is changed(and typically his target would turn into a townie.)
but bastard mod and all.
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
Now, Shalako...why did you answer my question to Infinis about his role? How are you going to know that he isnt a shapeshifter with the other two abilities?
Also, based on everyones claim at this point, who would you believe to be bulletproof? If you think there is someone that is, it could be a good place to start with a PoE down. What other scum abilities do you think the scum would have over wanting to kill someone? I know in basics, if there is one scum left and s/he is the RB, then s/he would be RBing instead of killing if there is a cop around. Even on top of that, if I read the first post, there is already a dead RB.
Neutrals, I could probably see being in the game, and would probably be hiding in the harder to confirm roles. Only problem is, out of everyones claim, how many of them are easy to prove? Speaking of easy to prove roles, havent we already seen a Super-saint in the game? Although, that was a super duper super saint, so it might not count.
I`m thinking of Seppels claim.
because He said it was a gambit.
If it was some sort of double crossing gambit where he really has other abilites he wouldnt tell us.
So all the information in thread points to him telling the truth.
Lying Scum.
If they are:
Claiming Doc.
Claiming Cop.
Think they are likely to be targed by the redirecter/Watcher/tracker.
I think(gaming the setup)that
A. They have a back up.
This idea is supported by the fact that we have a back up.
or./and.
B. Scum are lying about their claim.
Mine is easy to prove.
I have already stated how.
*Looks up*Claiming fail.
I meant to copy paste my role name in and forgot.
I have no other abilites.
I have confirmed via pm that I can be hit with day abilities.
so if we have a day cop or such, now would be a good time to say so.
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
@Shalako: Thank you for finally posting some analysis. With that said, I've found your play this game wildly inconsistent from Basic 30 where you were town, and therefore need to read Basic 29 where you were scum. Also your claim seems to slightly change each time you make it.
However since you've claimed a static ability, your WIFOM isn't nearly as disruptive as Jobo's since it basically involves you either directing L_P to use his ability on you or simply you saying "target me" repeatedly.
The more I really think about it, the more I think we should proceed with a Jobo lynch. He's unreliable, and the town is already in fantastic shape with at least one confirmed cop (Arcadic), two docs (I've come to believe TIK), a redirector, and a tracker. Not to mention Infinis's transformers ability. On the off chance Jobo is town, we're still in fine shape, and like Arcadic said, we avoid his WIFOM tomorrow. Ever since he barned the Vezo result, we can't be sure that he's legit. The actual scumhunting he does is mostly weak cases on townies (Rianalnn and Arcadic).
@Jobo, you're at L-2, so if you want to add anything to your numerous claims (mason / cop / vig) please do so soon.
I think it was after I made it through night 1/2 with out being targeted.
also can confirm no one has targeted me this game.
To clarify.
Baiting Taylor, both of these.
I have no second wincon, I just wanted to see if other players did.(like Nai and sep.)
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
Vezo is marked as town as he didnt know whom were scum.
oh yeah Naka replaced zebi.
Huh, Taylor knew what busing is.
So Diggy looks worse.
So.
One person has voted me this whole game.:o
I feel left out.:-/
Posting this so I have a reference for later/others.
Any thoughts?
[Mafia Stats] Mafia MVP: 1/3 Basic #29,Co-[CCMV]
So there's no guarantee that my role works with SKs, and my role makes no mention of SKs.
I still can't figure out why we're letting Cyouni pass. In fact - Infinis is still the SK, btw, but as long as he's playing cop I'm going to let him slide for at least one night - I'm going to vote him now. unvote; vote Cyouni.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Vote joboman
Thanks for the vote counts.
I haven't voted you shalako because honestly this is my first game with u and u remind me of d_v who I can't read either. That said I'm fine with your lynch.
12-11? I'm losing track
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
While I admit I am a bit of a newbie, so I may be putting a bit too much into this, (someone other than Joboman has to tell me this) but I feel like your actions, and specifically your quote of this:
I am guessing you have been playing for quite a while, so you should realize this means nothing more than trying to convince people off your wagon. You missed the cutoff, and came up with some story that annorax allowed a late submission? There is no way any mod would allow that as the day starts for several reasons (and i wouldn't doubt it if someone from the mafia team actually pmed annorax to ask if that was really allowed)
Surely even you realize, that the same things that could "confirm" you as a sane cop, could also "confirm" you as a scum, right?
Vote stands unless someone does the "Nai Slip".
The GJ way path to no lynching:
This is the definition of WIFOM:
Updated: 05/24/11
[The Family]
Just so I can understand this a bit better (since your claim is sort of spread out across the day).
1. You can take the role of cop, doc, or vig.
2. They are one shot abilities.
3. You have not become the doc yet.
Correct?
Also Jobo is at L-1. Honestly after what he has pulled today and rereading what he has done before with his abilities, there is really nothing to prove that he is town or sane cop other than a lot of WIFOM. Therefore I have no problem with him being the lynch for today.
Also I am not liking Zindabad. I received no PM about him targeting me last night which flies right in the face of his claim. Also I am not sure about Cyouni's craziness, but I am fairly positive that my craziness is built into my role and I was not turned crazy. I would really prefer if nobody targeted me tonight so that we can test my theory that I only go crazy when somebody targets me.
One more time, my targets are informed of what results my ability has. It evidently had no effect on you, but the act of targeting you did, as I think we will prove tonight with what you have requested here.
I plan on targeting Infinis tonight.
@L_P: Yes, that's exactly my point. Some people are suggesting that because I am a psychiatrist, my role interacts with SKs because that's how mafiascum defines the role, and I'm saying there is no indication of that and we shouldn't take what mafiascum says as precedent in this case.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Just think about this.
So lets say that I am scum, and I'm in a mason group with Diggy and Vezo, and vezo claims Cop, and getting a successful scum result on Seppel, my scumbuddy. Why would I false-claim cop? The only positive result of getting Seppel lynched and being on the lynch is that I look townie, while claiming cop lets me get that same benefit, but also puts more attention on me for absolutely no reason. As scum, WIFOM or no WIFOM, it would never be the optimal play there to claim for no reason.
Now, lets assume that I survive until this day, lying the whole way through. Why would I say that Annorax responded to my late investigation? I knew when I said it that this would bring more attention to me (and it has), and claiming a failed result which would get me lynched. The best thing that would happened is that a Tracker would be lynched, which is good but not worth the life of a scum.
To be quite frank guys, I'm not this bad. Please just look through what I've said and see that a scum would have no reason to do what I've done.
Also, please don't cite WIFOM on me. Its only WIFOM if both options have equal positive results, but WIFOM doesn't apply in a situation like this where one of my options has CLEARLY a worse outcome for me.
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
First of, in case I get NKed, my current scumlist is:
Scum:
Joboman
Shalako
Cyouni
Guardman
Leaning Scum:
Jskura (mostly based on Diggy's behavior)
Zindabad (role seems very narrow + fact he didn't cure Guardman)
As for Infinis, I'm not sure if he's a SK or not. The majority of his posts seem pro-town, so I don't want to rush to judgment.
@Rianalnn: Whoever you target will likely go crazy if my theory is right (that you targeting Guardman followed by Cyouni is what spread the plague).
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Seems irrelevant in the long run.
Being on the wagon of a scum outed by a cop investigation gives you 0 clearance whatsoever.
Having an investigation of a scum can give clearance.
If you knew it was going to cause problems, why did you do it in the first place, regardless of alignment?
You've outed yourself when vezokpiraka's investigation might have been enough, you've wasted an investigation on yourself, and you've forgot to submit an investigation. Then you threaten a vig shot that you don't have. Clearly you are playing "that bad."
What you are saying, in essence, is
"I don't make stupid mistakes as scum."
which is untrue and WIFOM.
Updated: 05/24/11
[The Family]
hmm.
Obviously not according to you guys.
Because I thought that I was able to catch 2 scum. Also, this doesn't answer my point.
Investigating myself wasn't a waste.
Even with the threatened vig shot, that's not what made everyone think I'm scum, its the whole thing with getting a failed result.
Are you just ignoring what I've said? My "mistakes" are not mistakes, people just don't believe me.
I'm saying "I don't make stupid plays that are unfavorable as scum"
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
You were high up in most players' cleared piles after Seppel's death. It has been slowly receding.
You didn't present it as such. You decided to try and be coy, add a touch of fake claim, and then sit around for a few days.
You had supposedly caught two scum. How many do you think are left?
I don't even know if it is that. It's been more of the presentation than the actual result.
Of note, you specifically said Annorax "would allow" your late submission, and THEN he failed it. Which runs counter to the two successfully claimed abilities on rianalnn. Everyone has since assumed that your action failed due to timing, but that was not your original claim.
You forgetting to investigate/forgetting to claim to investigate was a mistake. To slow roll your "result" was a mistake.
And lastly, saying "I don't make stupid plays that are unfavorable as scum" implies that you do as town. Which is the essence of WIFOM. Most players try not to make stupid plays that are unfavorable in the first place. When it does happen, it is not automatically indicative of alignment.
Updated: 05/24/11
[The Family]
Scum:
Jskura
Zindabad
Leaning scum :
Cyouni
The ice king
Shalako
And I bet you that this is the testing ground for never used roles from mafiascum. 3 cop flavors 3 doc flavors for instance
12-11? I'm losing track
Scum List:
Jskura
Zindabad
Joboman
Leaning Scum:
Shalako
Seperial
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
You've acted terribly scummy, but if wrong your role is not one I want to mislynch - especially not with equally good options still left. I would much rather lynch Sepiriel today and let you investigate someone tonight, at least. Then if you are lynched tomorrow and do come up town, we have a handy result to use.
Updated: 05/24/11
[The Family]
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
That was such a weak barn of L_P's post.
Are you surprised only one person has voted you?
Do you believe casting suspicions without voting is scummy?
@all I've pondered this for a couple of days. Zindabad accuses me of being the SK and that the revealed SK was not really an SK. Mafiascum does have an SK role that interacts with the psychiatrist. I wonder why he did not target me before? He explains that he will cure someone non-human. Funny how that is me and that he will try and cure me. Cure me of being cop and doc? Not one shots, full, guardman.
So there are two crazies and possible SK and yet zinda's role does something else besides address these two things?
Also the joboman is stuck, and you know what that means wagon analysis maybe today or tomorrow.
I also enjoyed how jsakura just jumped in and attached herself to the biggest wagons plus barning zinda completely.
12-11? I'm losing track
Joboman, Paranoid Noob Town RRRU
Mafia Record:
5-1-2 (Alignment)
1-6-3 (wins/incomplete/lose)
Updated: 05/24/11
[The Family]