MTG Salvation

Quote from Dork Knight

Already made some changes thanks to Kraj, so everyone can relax.

I think the game has the potential to be a very solid Normal setup after reworking, but I definitely won't recommend it as 'awesome enough to be worth wrangling 30 players".

Quote from Kraj

I think the game has the potential to be a very solid Normal setup after reworking, but I definitely won't recommend it as 'awesome enough to be worth wrangling 30 players".

"Game is good, I'm in the process of convincing DK that it will work better as a 16 or 18 player game".

And everyone will be happy ever after.

The Player Contact List/Replacement Request Thread has been updated with a list of active players from games that have ended within the last 6 months.

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The Player Contact List/Replacement Request Thread has been updated with a list of active players from games that have ended within the last 6 months.

It seems a lot bigger than I thought it would be. Just off the top of your head do you know roughly how many names on that list have played in only game?

I'd say about 25, give or take.

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So, I attempted to tackle merging the Welcome! and hosting threads and realized it's a rather daunting procedure - I'd have to re-hyperlink all of the articles. Would anyone object to me just merging everything into arim's first post in the hosting thread with spoilers?

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What about merging the Welcome and Theory threads?

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Wouldn't work. The Welcome! thread posts would disappear into the middle of the theory thread - I believe mergers work with timestamps on posts. So if one person makes a post on 2/23/07 and another thread's first post is 1/12/07 and then the next post on the second thread occurs on 3/29/07 but there are a bunch of posts in the first thread since then, the post on 3/29/07 would get lost in the first thread among all of the posts up to that point.

I was thinking we could just restart the Theory thread at the tail end of the "Welcome" thread, rename it, linking to any future articles in the OP, and linking to the old theory thread.

Yeah, that would work.

Why are we merging threads?

What is it with this sub forum and breaking fixed things?

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Why are we merging threads?

What is it with this sub forum and breaking fixed things?

I agree I've never had a problem with any of these threads and I don't think mafia forum feels cluttered or anything.

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I was thinking we could just restart the Theory thread at the tail end of the "Welcome" thread, rename it, linking to any future articles in the OP, and linking to the old theory thread.

I'm not sure I understand.

@Reya: Some people feel like we have too many stickies.

Because it seems the number of people who disagree with how it is outnumber the ones who don't. I'm just an extension of the voice of the people - I've been cleaning up the sub, if you hadn't noticed.

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Because it seems the number of people who disagree with how it is outnumber the ones who don't. I'm just an extension of the voice of the people - I've been cleaning up the sub, if you hadn't noticed.

Sometime the majority isn't vocal.

For what it's worth I'm against merging threads.

Do you disagree with everything I've done so far to this point?

Just for information purposes I agree with all Iso has done so far and I think he's doing a great job.

That being said I disagree with this merging, this particular change I think is not necessary. All the other stuff: great, this one: not good.

Just please keep theory and council how they are there are no problems with them.

I agree the merging of threads seem needless.

Seems unnecessary to me.

What I think would be cool is getting statistics from the forum like overall scum or town win % sk win percentage, which neutral has the best win % and stuff like that.

@Yanni: I moved all of the old sign-up threads to the Old-Sign Up Threads area, tagged all of the old games with the game prefixes, and deleted threads like "ong how do i paly mafeuh??//?/". Glad you're paying attention.

@Reya: If someone wants to compile the statistics and keep it current, I could slap it in a post somewhere.

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Because it seems the number of people who disagree with how it is outnumber the ones who don't. I'm just an extension of the voice of the people - I've been cleaning up the sub, if you hadn't noticed.

What people?

The ones who posted previously in this thread regarding the matter. atlseal was one IIRC.

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What I think would be cool is getting statistics from the forum like overall scum or town win % sk win percentage, which neutral has the best win % and stuff like that.

Quote from Iso

@Yanni: I moved all of the old sign-up threads to the Old-Sign Up Threads area, tagged all of the old games with the game prefixes, and deleted threads like "ong how do i paly mafeuh??//?/". Glad you're paying attention.

@Reya: If someone wants to compile the statistics and keep it current, I could slap it in a post somewhere.

I think ZDS or Zinda would probably be the most likely to have these sorts of figures.

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Yeah that was cool of you.

I don't think we have too many Stickies.(:argh:)

I agree. There are not too many stickies.

Sure, we can leave them as is. This is, after all, your guys' party.

Quote from Azrael

Sure, we can leave them as is. This is, after all, your guys' party.

*nods*

I'm not sure If I should be posting this here or in the Theory thread, but here we go:

Is it ever okay to talk about on-going games?

I have seen plenty of times where someone would reference an on-going game in retrospect of:

"Player A replaced out of another game, but not this game."

And no one ever calls the player on talking about on-going games. The player posting this does not mention the on-going game or anything about the on-going game with exception to the replacement.

But when I did this in game I was called out for talking about on-going game even though I did not mention which game it was or anything relevant to the on-going game.

I guess what I am asking for is this:

Could we get a set rule about talking about on-going games? Thanks.

I think Void's point comes from the just completed Stuff I Like Mafia. The incident in question was Void brought up the case of a player posting in other games but not in this particular game. So to further redefine his question:

Is it OK to say a player is posting in other games but not in the game you are currently in?

My personal view is that is OK, because quite a few players only post in the mafia subforum, and they HAVE used players posting in other forums against players. If you can't bring up the fact that they (Players who only post in Mafia) are posting elsewhere, it puts them at an advantage IMO.

Reasons to not talk about games in progress:

1) If you post outside of the game thread, some people may see it and some not. All information about the game should be in the game thread, so that all players have equal access to it.
2) By saying something about the game, you may change someone's thinking about that game, and thus be an outside influence that affects the outcome.
3) Until the game is finished, you don't know for sure what information is correct. It may be that you are basing analysis on someone being scum, when they in fact were a death miller. It is only once the game is done that you can know that posted facts are correct.
4) Mafia is normally a game of discussion. You say something, someone else responds. If you mention a GiP, you may put the other person into a position where, even if none of the three points above would cause an issue, they cannot effectively respond without running afoul of one of them themselves. Thus your mention may open the door to problems even if your statement is otherwise okay.

tl;dr: don't talk about ongoing games.

That said, general participation comments should be fine. "RobRoy posted elsewhere on the site but hasn't posted here" should be okay. But "RobRoy posted in GiP X but not here" is not, due to possible inferences.

I believe RobRoy summed my stance up on this matter nicely. Overall activity on the site is fine to bring up, specific games are not.

Hello, folks. I'm planning on taking a step back from the site for a while to concentrate on IRL. I'm sure I'll be back.

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Hello, folks. I'm planning on taking a step back from the site for a while to concentrate on IRL. I'm sure I'll be back.

Best of luck with the real world! We'll be here to plug you back into the Matrix once you've realized how dark and dreary it is out there.

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Hello, folks. I'm planning on taking a step back from the site for a while to concentrate on IRL. I'm sure I'll be back.

Thank you for all you have done, and good luck.

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Hello, folks. I'm planning on taking a step back from the site for a while to concentrate on IRL. I'm sure I'll be back.

Come back soon. I want to investigate you as scum (and then be promptly ignored and lynched for it) in more games.

Good luck and don't be a stranger. It's been a slice.

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Hello, folks. I'm planning on taking a step back from the site for a while to concentrate on IRL. I'm sure I'll be back.

I appreciate your contributions to Mafia, and to the site as a whole.
I wish you the best in your endeavors, and hope you find yourself in a position to return before too long.

We'll miss you, Az.

Good luck with everything, and hope to see you soon!

I love you Az.

I can't say I blame you for leaving, Azrael.

Godspeed, my dear. Hurry back soon.

I hope to play with your in ogre mafia II if it ever comes. Good luck and play mafia again soon.

Thanks for everything. Hope RL goes well for you.

It was fun playing are one game of Mafia together. I hope everything works out for you.

Best of luck to you, Az. Hope to see you return soon.

- Void

Quote from RobRoy

Reasons to not talk about games in progress:

1) If you post outside of the game thread, some people may see it and some not. All information about the game should be in the game thread, so that all players have equal access to it.
2) By saying something about the game, you may change someone's thinking about that game, and thus be an outside influence that affects the outcome.
3) Until the game is finished, you don't know for sure what information is correct. It may be that you are basing analysis on someone being scum, when they in fact were a death miller. It is only once the game is done that you can know that posted facts are correct.
4) Mafia is normally a game of discussion. You say something, someone else responds. If you mention a GiP, you may put the other person into a position where, even if none of the three points above would cause an issue, they cannot effectively respond without running afoul of one of them themselves. Thus your mention may open the door to problems even if your statement is otherwise okay.

tl;dr: don't talk about ongoing games.

That said, general participation comments should be fine. "RobRoy posted elsewhere on the site but hasn't posted here" should be okay. But "RobRoy posted in GiP X but not here" is not, due to possible inferences.

Bolded relevant part.

The bolded part is EXACTLY what void is asking about. This was the EXACT post that started the No Discussion issue he brought up,

Quote from Void

Forgot one thing:

FoS: Emocakes
FoS: Nis

I'm using the FoS as a way to show my intent to vote one way or another.

Emocakes made the list for posting in multiple games while avoiding this game. Lurking is not what we need in this situation and would be a great way for the scum to captialize on the situation at hand.

Note he never said which games he was posting in. In fact Emo was the one to try and get Void to name particular games. I feel Void's post fits clearly in the guidelines of the part I bolded in RobRoy's quote, and is the crux of my side of the issue. The only offending part is he said the word GAMES not ELSEWHERE.

@Az: Good luck on your future journies and hope to get the chance to play in a game with you someday.

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All day yesterday you were posting in a game that was not this one. This game was not during the Night Phase yesterday. Try again please.

This is the other post that Shalako is referring too.

The one that Tan posted Shalako did not comment on. This one he did.