Can you repeat your post without pronouns? It's not parsing right in my head.
definitely don't say that if was trying to acttown.
Hehehe...
@Shark, re Sihhe: Indignation can be faked. Why does Sihhe getting emotional override his previous, scummy posts?
Emotions are secondary to the fact he roleslipped in the heat of the moment. I don't see scum using the intel they have to relieve pressure this early. I think the fact he said he was immune makes it more likely he's town than not. I agree emotions alone don't do much.
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Even though you previously told us that you would not be unvoting him.
You're flailing pretty badly here.
I think that you are intentionally being difficult about SK. He is obviously saying that he doesn't need to 'act' like he is town, because he is town.
Of course, saying this means absolutely nothing, because like..what else is anyone going to say? But you're trying too hard here. And again, you are doing so regarding someone that you are currently not voting for.
This particular sticks out, and reads like an overt threat.
This seems forced, so to not appear to just be bandwagonning Seppel. And wrong - it's "refuse to answer" or "refuse to get infected". Not, "refuse or you get infected".
Emotions are secondary to the fact he roleslipped in the heat of the moment. I don't see scum using the intel they have to relieve pressure this early. I think the fact he said he was immune makes it more likely he's town than not. I agree emotions alone don't do much.
Sweet. I am not surprised RVS ended that quickly, but probably wanted a few more direct answers before it exploded.
To answer the broad questions on the poll: I wanted to generate reactions and see in general players mindset/approach to the game. Myself, I am highly curious on the mechanics on the game, so I expected several responses like Megg. I also expected to see players like Seppel and kpaca who attack the poll. I did expect a SS reaction, but more to come on him.
I certainly would like to know what Shark was thinking when he asked it, because he had to know this was going to escalate into immediate votes.
I am surprised you don't see any plausible purpose to my question, given your experience level. +scum passiveness/attempting to remain hardcore neutral.
The reason I was so "neutral" about it is that no scum is stupid enough to ask that question, and no townie thinks "getting a bunch of votes on myself is a good plan". Ergo, as I explained to SS - there wasn't necessarily a scum mindset behind it. Which you oddly left out of my post quote above. Why, exactly?
Can you see that post as having come from a town viewpoint?
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I can't see any reason for anyone to ask this question.
This != scum motivation.
I certainly would like to know what Shark was thinking when he asked it, because he had to know this was going to escalate into immediate votes.
Because it's inherently a poor play on either side, as generating votes on yourself is not typically a good thing.
Now, it had some positive side effects. Yes, the Seppel and Kpaca reactions were expected, but SS slipped into the trap and fell all over himself trying to join the wagon but look like he had some additional insight. That last part is key - if he really had an issue with the poll, he would've just said so. Instead, he tried to make it look like it wasn't entirely a /barn with the tacked on portion at the end.
I really don't give two ****s where anyone goes. I can't be infected anyway. If you want to go to the hospital, go to the hospital. I just feel bad for Iso, that's all.
+++Town. Note most of his posts before this were absolutely terrible and I thought he was scum. But he townslipped hard here.[/quote]
Totally disagree. His initial attack was forced, gets angry in response, and then resorts to hinting at role information to get people off his back. I don't read that as a townslip at all. It comes off desperate and scummy.
I really don't give two ****s where anyone goes. I can't be infected anyway. If you want to go to the hospital, go to the hospital. I just feel bad for Iso, that's all.
+++Town. Note most of his posts before this were absolutely terrible and I thought he was scum. But he townslipped hard here.
Totally disagree. His initial attack was forced, gets angry in response, and then resorts to hinting at role information to get people off his back. I don't read that as a townslip at all. It comes off desperate and scummy.
I really don't give two ****s where anyone goes. I can't be infected anyway. If you want to go to the hospital, go to the hospital. I just feel bad for Iso, that's all.
+++Town. Note most of his posts before this were absolutely terrible and I thought he was scum. But he townslipped hard here.
Totally disagree. His initial attack was forced, gets angry in response, and then resorts to hinting at role information to get people off his back. I don't read that as a townslip at all. It comes off desperate and scummy.
Except I wasn't forcing. You're saying that I was forcing. I'm a pretty transparent player, and I react very poorly to what I perceive to be unfair attention, especially early in Day 1 when there's -actual- nothing to go off of, and nothing for me to point out in my defense. Anyone who's played with me before can tell you this.
Unvote Shark. Vote Wheat. Stick to your convictions if you state them so strongly, and if you want to hop off of your convictions, don't blatantly state it as fishing.
I also don't like how aggressive DYH is being overall, but there's nothing at this point that wouldn't sound like OMGUS. I've played like a grand total of two-irl-days before he got NK'd in another game, so I can't really say whether he's always this aggressive or not -- but it feels like something that should be watched. Again, I am cognizant that this might just be my ire speaking, in lack of experience with the man.
So guess what guys, I'm in the hospital and never ****ing leaving, and everyone should join me in this endeavor.
Hospital party!
Shark looks town so far. -Silver does not, with his reactions to pressure, stretched reasoning for his shark vote, and the mind set inconsistency seppel caught. He is getting my vote, depending on the vote count.
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Even though you previously told us that you would not be unvoting him.
You're flailing pretty badly here.
I want Shark lynched but I want Silver's claim first.
@Seppel/kpaca: So who is fishing, again? Hint: See above.
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@DYH: I'll agree to disagree with you on the overall conclusion on SS, though I see your rationale and how SS appeared to be desperate, etc. I just way the slip higher than his other actions.
And you do see the positive effects that come from that play. I am just surprised that it seemed that you thought that neither side had anything to gain from it. Basically, I value my life very little as I honestly never thought once I would ever be lynched for posting that question, but I guess that's just from experience from being ran up early.
Still meh on you. I'll rethink on it later.
I am not willing to vote SS unless I see more that convinces me that I was wrong on his "townslip". I am willing to vote Wheat, but I'll wait for no apparent reason except for not throwing votes around like a crazy player.
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Emotions are secondary to the fact he roleslipped in the heat of the moment. I don't see scum using the intel they have to relieve pressure this early. I think the fact he said he was immune makes it more likely he's town than not. I agree emotions alone don't do much.
What if the majority says yes to the lock in? You plan on going rogue?
Is that what you mean by 'Hospital Plan'? Everyone goes to the hospital and stays there for the entire game?
You're not reading the thread. Hmm, later posts say you are reading the thread. You're not reading kpaca's posts. Why not?
I looked for specific mention of what the 'Hospital Plan' is, but didn't find it. Feel free to clarify.
Except I wasn't forcing. You're saying that I was forcing. I'm a pretty transparent player, and I react very poorly to what I perceive to be unfair attention, especially early in Day 1 when there's -actual- nothing to go off of, and nothing for me to point out in my defense. Anyone who's played with me before can tell you this.
Unvote Shark. Vote Wheat. Stick to your convictions if you state them so strongly, and if you want to hop off of your convictions, don't blatantly state it as fishing.
I also don't like how aggressive DYH is being overall, but there's nothing at this point that wouldn't sound like OMGUS. I've played like a grand total of two-irl-days before he got NK'd in another game, so I can't really say whether he's always this aggressive or not -- but it feels like something that should be watched. Again, I am cognizant that this might just be my ire speaking, in lack of experience with the man.
Except I wasn't forcing. You're saying that I was forcing.
You were flatly wrong about the last bullet point, so yes, I'm going to interpret that as forcing.
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I'm a pretty transparent player, and I react very poorly to what I perceive to be unfair attention, especially early in Day 1 when there's -actual- nothing to go off of, and nothing for me to point out in my defense. Anyone who's played with me before can tell you this.
Unvote Shark. Vote Wheat. Stick to your convictions if you state them so strongly, and if you want to hop off of your convictions, don't blatantly state it as fishing.
I also don't like how aggressive DYH is being overall, but there's nothing at this point that wouldn't sound like OMGUS. I've played like a grand total of two-irl-days before he got NK'd in another game, so I can't really say whether he's always this aggressive or not -- but it feels like something that should be watched. Again, I am cognizant that this might just be my ire speaking, in lack of experience with the man.
I don't like how cognizant you are of your perception in the eyes of others as a result of how you feel about my aggressiveness. And it's totally fair to say I'm aggressive - I generally am.
So guess what guys, I'm in the hospital and never ****ing leaving, and everyone should join me in this endeavor.
Hospital party!
Shark looks town so far. -Silver does not, with his reactions to pressure, stretched reasoning for his shark vote, and the mind set inconsistency seppel caught. He is getting my vote, depending on the vote count.
See above - you can now add the "image tell" to this list.
@DYH: I'll agree to disagree with you on the overall conclusion on SS, though I see your rationale and how SS appeared to be desperate, etc. I just way the slip higher than his other actions.
And you do see the positive effects that come from that play. I am just surprised that it seemed that you thought that neither side had anything to gain from it. Basically, I value my life very little as I honestly never thought once I would ever be lynched for posting that question, but I guess that's just from experience from being ran up early.
I'm not necessarily saying you would've been lynched for it, but it certainly put a giant target on your back and led to garnering votes quickly. In a game with many seasoned veterans, that hardly seems like an ideal play, regardless of alignment.
If you're that nonchalant in your approach to play due to early ring-ups, though, that makes more sense. I didn't start reading along with Ataghan until mid-game, so I'm not very familiar with your play.
Dammit, I go to sleep with 2 players left to confirm in and I wake up to over 150 posts? Too much information so I'll avoid quoting for this time (also, hi, everyone!) I'll just write down my general impressions on people.
Wheat_Grinder: Terrible. Inflated statements from which he retracts easily and callously with weak arguments. +scum
Cyan:
SharkFinnigan: I just played with him and he struck me as a really smart player that is not afraid to look scummy (he was town.) As such, I wholly believe him when he said that he knew that his little poll would attract negative attention. That obviously doesn't mean that he couldn't use it truly as a scum fishing for roles, but only WIFOM lies this way. Rather, I'll state that I strongly disagree with his position on Silver (see below) and I don't like his vote on DYH. +/+scum (half a plus)
DYH: :thumbsup::thumbsup:
SilverSihhe: Here I disagree with Shark and agree with DYH. Silver's hinting of his role seemed to me heavy-handed and purposeful, not some kind of 'slip'. It made me wonder what was his purpose with this breadcrumbing until he tried to pretend that it was indeed an accidental slip. ++scum
cantripmancer: Can you please illuminate me on what a miller does and why is it a good thing to get vigged?
kpaca: I have to say I strongly dislike this holing up proposition and his dogged insistence that goes as far to implying that anyone who doesn't agree is suspect. Yes, it makes sense in the flavor of the game to hole in where the infection won't touch you, but he himself disregards flavour and equates this action to scumhunting and town victory when they are unrelated concepts. Getting infected with the virus merely changes your role mechanics as far as I know, so I have to wonder why is it so important and 'town-serving' for kpaca to try to avoid it. Not to mention that I don't think Iso wasn't smart enough to place some measure to deter players from doing this. Learning that there's such a thing as a role that can kill everyone in a location, makes it even more suspect.
I can see strong players like Seppel an KCC happily jumping in and I'm but a little voice and maybe I'm not seeing something, but until I understand how this measure will supposedly help town, count me out. And yes, if it comes to it that the majority agrees with the plan I will still refuse to do it.
I'm calling it right now- worst rare in the set. Even good limited players will find better bombs at common and uncommon no sweat. Worst. Episode. Ever.
I really do predict this to be our worst rare in set award winner. I'd be happier opening a jar of eyeballs, so I think anything worse is highly unlikely. This card wont just have zero constructed potential, but not be significantly better than a mass of ghouls in a draft.
Dammit, I go to sleep with 2 players left to confirm in and I wake up to over 150 posts? Too much information so I'll avoid quoting for this time (also, hi, everyone!) I'll just write down my general impressions on people.
Wheat_Grinder: Terrible. Inflated statements from which he retracts easily and callously with weak arguments. +scum
Cyan:
SharkFinnigan: I just played with him and he struck me as a really smart player that is not afraid to look scummy (he was town.) As such, I wholly believe him when he said that he knew that his little poll would attract negative attention. That obviously doesn't mean that he couldn't use it truly as a scum fishing for roles, but only WIFOM lies this way. Rather, I'll state that I strongly disagree with his position on Silver (see below) and I don't like his vote on DYH. +/+scum (half a plus)
DYH: :thumbsup::thumbsup:
SilverSihhe: Here I disagree with Shark and agree with DYH. Silver's hinting of his role seemed to me heavy-handed and purposeful, not some kind of 'slip'. It made me wonder what was his purpose with this breadcrumbing until he tried to pretend that it was indeed an accidental slip. ++scum
cantripmancer: Can you please illuminate me on what a miller does and why is it a good thing to get vigged?
kpaca: I have to say I strongly dislike this holing up proposition and his dogged insistence that goes as far to implying that anyone who doesn't agree is suspect. Yes, it makes sense in the flavor of the game to hole in where the infection won't touch you, but he himself disregards flavour and equates this action to scumhunting and town victory when they are unrelated concepts. Getting infected with the virus merely changes your role mechanics as far as I know, so I have to wonder why is it so important and 'town-serving' for kpaca to try to avoid it. Not to mention that I don't think Iso wasn't smart enough to place some measure to deter players from doing this. Learning that there's such a thing as a role that can kill everyone in a location, makes it even more suspect.
I can see strong players like Seppel an KCC happily jumping in and I'm but a little voice and maybe I'm not seeing something, but until I understand how this measure will supposedly help town, count me out. And yes, if it comes to it that the majority agrees with the plan I will still refuse to do it.
Just so you know if we as town decide to do this and you won't we will lynch you so if being right is more important to you than your team than I guess do what you ware saying you will.
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Also im not calling anyone who won't follow this plan scummy, but I am obviously going to question reasons because its obvious to me we should do this and so far the other really good players seem to mostly agree with me.
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Dammit, I go to sleep with 2 players left to confirm in and I wake up to over 150 posts? Too much information so I'll avoid quoting for this time (also, hi, everyone!) I'll just write down my general impressions on people.
Wheat_Grinder: Terrible. Inflated statements from which he retracts easily and callously with weak arguments. +scum
Cyan:
SharkFinnigan: I just played with him and he struck me as a really smart player that is not afraid to look scummy (he was town.) As such, I wholly believe him when he said that he knew that his little poll would attract negative attention. That obviously doesn't mean that he couldn't use it truly as a scum fishing for roles, but only WIFOM lies this way. Rather, I'll state that I strongly disagree with his position on Silver (see below) and I don't like his vote on DYH. +/+scum (half a plus)
DYH: :thumbsup::thumbsup:
SilverSihhe: Here I disagree with Shark and agree with DYH. Silver's hinting of his role seemed to me heavy-handed and purposeful, not some kind of 'slip'. It made me wonder what was his purpose with this breadcrumbing until he tried to pretend that it was indeed an accidental slip. ++scum
cantripmancer: Can you please illuminate me on what a miller does and why is it a good thing to get vigged?
kpaca: I have to say I strongly dislike this holing up proposition and his dogged insistence that goes as far to implying that anyone who doesn't agree is suspect. Yes, it makes sense in the flavor of the game to hole in where the infection won't touch you, but he himself disregards flavour and equates this action to scumhunting and town victory when they are unrelated concepts. Getting infected with the virus merely changes your role mechanics as far as I know, so I have to wonder why is it so important and 'town-serving' for kpaca to try to avoid it. Not to mention that I don't think Iso wasn't smart enough to place some measure to deter players from doing this. Learning that there's such a thing as a role that can kill everyone in a location, makes it even more suspect.
I can see strong players like Seppel an KCC happily jumping in and I'm but a little voice and maybe I'm not seeing something, but until I understand how this measure will supposedly help town, count me out. And yes, if it comes to it that the majority agrees with the plan I will still refuse to do it.
Just so you know if we as town decide to do this and you won't we will lynch you so if being right is more important to you than your team than I guess do what you ware saying you will.
You didn't answer my question, though: Why is holing up in the hospital a townie thing? You seem to subtly be pushing this idea that getting infected = scum win, which has no foundation and makes me suspicious of you. I can't give less of a damn about being right: precisely because I care about town is that I don't mind risking being an outcast. Someone, after all, has to consider that you may actually be scum and that your proposition may be loaded with danger. Not giving you the free town pass that many seem willing to give you.
I'm calling it right now- worst rare in the set. Even good limited players will find better bombs at common and uncommon no sweat. Worst. Episode. Ever.
I really do predict this to be our worst rare in set award winner. I'd be happier opening a jar of eyeballs, so I think anything worse is highly unlikely. This card wont just have zero constructed potential, but not be significantly better than a mass of ghouls in a draft.
Just so you know if we as town decide to do this and you won't we will lynch you
...I am totally not on board with this aspect of the plan. I am not seeing anything that would make me think this is justified, or even a way that we could generally enforce it.
Yeah, lynching a player for disagreeing is ridiculous. If you are making a set-up in which you say 'Agree with me, be seen as pro-town; disagree with me, get lynched' you can be sure that scum will be the first ones to sign up for that tasty plan.
I'm calling it right now- worst rare in the set. Even good limited players will find better bombs at common and uncommon no sweat. Worst. Episode. Ever.
I really do predict this to be our worst rare in set award winner. I'd be happier opening a jar of eyeballs, so I think anything worse is highly unlikely. This card wont just have zero constructed potential, but not be significantly better than a mass of ghouls in a draft.
Sweet. I am not surprised RVS ended that quickly, but probably wanted a few more direct answers before it exploded.
To answer the broad questions on the poll: I wanted to generate reactions and see in general players mindset/approach to the game. Myself, I am highly curious on the mechanics on the game, so I expected several responses like Megg. I also expected to see players like Seppel and kpaca who attack the poll. I did expect a SS reaction, but more to come on him.
I suspect that Iso would have something built into the game to stop players from doing exactly this, both because it's a natural player response to clump up at the location of the vaccine, and because it would probably invalidate an inordinate amount of work from the host's perspective.
You sound frustrated for reasons you shouldn't be frustrated about.
It's entirely possible that this whole "ignore half the game" plan has struck a nerve. You're aware I'm working on a setup right now myself -- and if I were in the host's shoes and the players decide to just dodge out on half of the work that I put in, I'd be a little ornery about that.
It's probably just philosophy, but I feel like it isn't a very honorable way to play the game, that's all. As far as the plan itself goes, from a gameplay standpoint, I'm completely indifferent.
The language chosen here feels like a blatant appeal to emotion.
Btw, im serious about us all agreeing to play the whole game in the hospital.
I suspect that Iso would have something built into the game to stop players from doing exactly this, both because it's a natural player response to clump up at the location of the vaccine, and because it would probably invalidate an inordinate amount of work from the host's perspective.
There's no reason to think we can't all go to the hospital, and it makes an incredible amount of sense for us to do so. I'm sure Iso might not get his maximum enjoyment out of us neutering five locations of the six, but oh well I guess.
It blows my mind that the reason you don't think we should move to the hospital is "huurrrr i bet we cant for no reason durr mod gaming". It does not speak well to your motivations imo.
I really don't give two ****s where anyone goes. I can't be infected anyway. If you want to go to the hospital, go to the hospital. I just feel bad for Iso, that's all.
You don't give two ****s where we go?
unvote: vote silvershe
Also you realize you will also be going to the hospital in the aforementioned plan yes?
Read what I put. I can't be infected. So, explain to me what I'm missing, that it should matter to me? Because I can't see a reason from where I'm sitting.
So you will willingly lock yourself in the hospital with the rest of us no complaints?
It's a yes/no question. Being edgy and saying you don't care does make you super standoffish and bad ass obviously, but it doesnt really help the discussion.
I feel like you're fishing hard for something, but I dunno what it would be.
If we want to lock ourselves in the hospital, then that's fine. If we want to run around site to site without any plan at all, that's fine too. Honey badger don' give a ****.
I think we're having a miscommunication here somewhere. I still don't see why I should care about being in the hospital.
Also, DYH, you didn't answer my question. Why exactly is Shark getting a free ride for his blatantly scummy post?
So yes or no to my hospital question?
Like i asked for yes or no pretty directly and you wrote four separate diatribes.
This is a quote by kpaca, but it's more relevant here. Two points:
1. So you can't be infected. Yay. In which case it should make little difference to you whether you go to the hospital or not, no? And more importantly - if you're town, there is a pretty good reason for you to care about the rest of your team going to the hospital or not.
2. kpaca's last observation there is exactly right. You took ages to commit yourself one way or the other to it... and then your final answer (yes, sure, whatever) seems to run counter to how emotionally against it you were presenting yourself as prior to that. Reads like stalling.
Can you see that post as having come from a town viewpoint?
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I can't see any reason for anyone to ask this question.
This != scum motivation.
I certainly would like to know what Shark was thinking when he asked it, because he had to know this was going to escalate into immediate votes.
Well, considering the terminology used and the way the post was phrased, I immediately translate that post to "I have control of the t-virus, and I'm looking to infect people. Who wants to volunteer?" I have reasons to suspect a role like that exists. Given the theme of the game as being survival-horror, would you expect such an individual to be town-aligned?
I also don't like how aggressive DYH is being overall, but there's nothing at this point that wouldn't sound like OMGUS. I've played like a grand total of two-irl-days before he got NK'd in another game, so I can't really say whether he's always this aggressive or not -- but it feels like something that should be watched. Again, I am cognizant that this might just be my ire speaking, in lack of experience with the man.[/QUOTE]
Such self-consciousness. Such a blatant avenue of escape.
[QUOTE=SilverSihhe;/comments/10877010]It's a large assumption until you know what my role does. Again, from where I'm sitting, I find it easily both conceivable and believable.
Unvote, Vote: SilverSihhe
You're gonna spill that claim.
Inconsistent, worse mindset.
It's like the scum are throwing themselves at us!
The bolded feels bad. It's positively plastic to the touch.
Also im not calling anyone who won't follow this plan scummy, but I am obviously going to question reasons because its obvious to me we should do this and so far the other really good players seem to mostly agree with me.
This good player disagrees. I'm not seeing the benefit of this plan. Convince me.
Dammit, I go to sleep with 2 players left to confirm in and I wake up to over 150 posts? Too much information so I'll avoid quoting for this time (also, hi, everyone!) I'll just write down my general impressions on people.
Wheat_Grinder: Terrible. Inflated statements from which he retracts easily and callously with weak arguments. +scum
Cyan:
SharkFinnigan: I just played with him and he struck me as a really smart player that is not afraid to look scummy (he was town.) As such, I wholly believe him when he said that he knew that his little poll would attract negative attention. That obviously doesn't mean that he couldn't use it truly as a scum fishing for roles, but only WIFOM lies this way. Rather, I'll state that I strongly disagree with his position on Silver (see below) and I don't like his vote on DYH. +/+scum (half a plus)
DYH: :thumbsup::thumbsup:
SilverSihhe: Here I disagree with Shark and agree with DYH. Silver's hinting of his role seemed to me heavy-handed and purposeful, not some kind of 'slip'. It made me wonder what was his purpose with this breadcrumbing until he tried to pretend that it was indeed an accidental slip. ++scum
cantripmancer: Can you please illuminate me on what a miller does and why is it a good thing to get vigged?
kpaca: I have to say I strongly dislike this holing up proposition and his dogged insistence that goes as far to implying that anyone who doesn't agree is suspect. Yes, it makes sense in the flavor of the game to hole in where the infection won't touch you, but he himself disregards flavour and equates this action to scumhunting and town victory when they are unrelated concepts. Getting infected with the virus merely changes your role mechanics as far as I know, so I have to wonder why is it so important and 'town-serving' for kpaca to try to avoid it. Not to mention that I don't think Iso wasn't smart enough to place some measure to deter players from doing this. Learning that there's such a thing as a role that can kill everyone in a location, makes it even more suspect.
I can see strong players like Seppel an KCC happily jumping in and I'm but a little voice and maybe I'm not seeing something, but until I understand how this measure will supposedly help town, count me out. And yes, if it comes to it that the majority agrees with the plan I will still refuse to do it.
Just so you know if we as town decide to do this and you won't we will lynch you so if being right is more important to you than your team than I guess do what you ware saying you will.
You didn't answer my question, though: Why is holing up in the hospital a townie thing? You seem to subtly be pushing this idea that getting infected = scum win, which has no foundation and makes me suspicious of you. I can't give less of a damn about being right: precisely because I care about town is that I don't mind risking being an outcast. Someone, after all, has to consider that you may actually be scum and that your proposition may be loaded with danger. Not giving you the free town pass that many seem willing to give you.
Mmmh. The bolded seems a little off, but other than that, this seems like a firm townie thought process. Same with Cantripmancer, to a lesser extent.
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@SilverSihhe, again
...riddle me this. You can't be infected... yet you don't seem to want to go to the hospital, which Silent Hill characters/creatures shouldn't mind at all. On top of that, you keep dropping role hints that express broadly that you're from Resident Evil. A quick glance through the wiki doesn't really show me characters who would be both town-aligned and immune to infection from Resident Evil.
I don't think I believe you.
Vote: SilverSihhe
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Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...' Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
I'm calling it right now- worst rare in the set. Even good limited players will find better bombs at common and uncommon no sweat. Worst. Episode. Ever.
I really do predict this to be our worst rare in set award winner. I'd be happier opening a jar of eyeballs, so I think anything worse is highly unlikely. This card wont just have zero constructed potential, but not be significantly better than a mass of ghouls in a draft.
I really don't give two ****s where anyone goes. I can't be infected anyway. If you want to go to the hospital, go to the hospital. I just feel bad for Iso, that's all.
I know you later say you're okay with going to the hospital, but this quote here tells me that you are not interested in overall coordination just because you personally can't be infected.
Is that a town mindset? I don't believe it is; at least without reason to doubt the effectiveness of the plan.
Vote: SilverSihhe
Your general indignant attitude gave me pause until I realized you acted more or less the same way in Ataghan.
I don't think such a role exists, but unless there's reason to believe the virus kills rather than provides bonus abilities, it could be town-aligned, sure.
Agreed. There's assuredly a lot about the virus interactions we don't know in any case, since the game is largely built around it.
@kpaca: I knew I was inviting an early vig, especially in a larger game, but I'd rather take the early vig shot and the late-game win with town than keep quiet and lose the game because I get investigated the night before LYLO.
I don't know how to respond to this, really. I've never actually been a miller, though I've claimed it on a few occasions after an investigation result.
I assume the usual action is just to treat it as null and analyze behavior as normal?
Aww, your sweet. I am actually town, but feel free to check Gotham Underground for meta-argument to support your case.
Pointing to self-meta is a worthless gesture. Why do people continue to do it?
The instant you show awareness of your own meta, the meta is invalidated.
I want Shark lynched but I want Silver's claim first.
That's just bad town practice...putting extra claim info on the thread from people you don't intend to lynch. Is this your actual conviction, or how you think you can appear to not be flailing?
You didn't answer my question, though: Why is holing up in the hospital a townie thing? You seem to subtly be pushing this idea that getting infected = scum win, which has no foundation and makes me suspicious of you. I can't give less of a damn about being right: precisely because I care about town is that I don't mind risking being an outcast. Someone, after all, has to consider that you may actually be scum and that your proposition may be loaded with danger. Not giving you the free town pass that many seem willing to give you.
I actually like this post, even though I am favor of seeing this hospital plan in action. It is notably thoughtful and self-righteous, and more impressively so after some slight bullying by kpaca.
Serious question: who here is familiar with RE, and who here is familiar with Silent Hill?
I have passing familiarity with RE, and very little with Silent Hill.
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
And I'm counting you as a soft yes for the sleepover since you said you won't throw up major arguments, just that if you could unilaterally decide you'd pick no.
What if the majority says yes to the lock in? You plan on going rogue?
That's...like over half of kpaca's posts that he's mentioned what he thinks we should do. Even not referred to directly as "the hospital plan", how did you not know what he was talking about?
A Miller (sometimes called an Outsider) is a role or role modifier such that the player passively returns an unfavorable result (i.e. Guilty) if investigated by a Cop. This version of Miller, and only this version of Miller, is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.
For obvious reasons, standard Millers are Town.
In my case, I've been told that anyone who investigates my alignment will receive a result of "Not Town".
It's not a good thing to get vigged, but getting vigged would be preferable to not claiming and getting investigated. Basic train of thought on playing a miller goes along the lines of either claiming or playing so that you don't get investigated.
If you claim, you heighten your chances of being vigged because otherwise it would become too easy for scum to fakeclaim miller and get away with it. The vig is more likely than a lynch because lynching a claimed miller doesn't lend itself as much to behavioral/wagon analysis, and--especially early game--a vig shot is chancier, so between shooting an unknown-except-for-behavior and shooting a player who has said he'll investigate as non-town, the vig will often "investigate" the miller by killing him.
If you attempt to play so as not to get investigated and you get investigated...oops, you just came up as non-town, and you get lynched. If you attempt to play so as not to get investigated and you get investigated late game...oops, you just came up as non-town, you get lynched, and your team loses.
(If anyone wants to add/correct elements of the above, feel free; like I said, I've never actually played miller before, so this is just what I remember from older games and what I could find to read in-between receiving my PM and my first non-RVS post.)
In my case, I figured the following were elements against me:
• I just came back from a 1.5-year hiatus, so I'm a little rusty.
• I've never been a miller before.
• If I manage to play well enough to avoid getting ridden roughshod over by proscum (Cyan: I'm looking at you; I haven't forgotten Brittania Rebellion), there are plenty of more experienced, higher profile players in this game, so I likely won't get investigated early...
• ...which means that if I get investigated, it's likely going to occur right around the time that the more experienced town players are gone, and we're getting down to lynch-or-lose, which is exactly when it would be the worst for me to get investigated.
Just so you know if we as town decide to do this and you won't we will lynch you so if being right is more important to you than your team than I guess do what you ware saying you will.
Um, no. Signing on for girls-night-out in the hospital foyer does NOT equate to bloodbath-for-those-who-don't.
Also im not calling anyone who won't follow this plan scummy, but I am obviously going to question reasons because its obvious to me we should do this and so far the other really good players seem to mostly agree with me.
Oooooo: he blinded ME...with peer pressure! (wah, wah, wah)
Serious question: who here is familiar with RE, and who here is familiar with Silent Hill?
I played most of the PS1 RE games, RE4, and have seen the first movie.
I played Silent Hill 1 & 2 and saw one of the movies. I think the first one.
I was a huge fan of survival horror and these two franchises specifically, in college, but then got a job, got married, had a kid, etc. Playing this game makes me want to go back and play the games again, though.
StaRRRRRS!!!
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@SilverSihhe, again
...riddle me this. You can't be infected... yet you don't seem to want to go to the hospital, which Silent Hill characters/creatures shouldn't mind at all. On top of that, you keep dropping role hints that express broadly that you're from Resident Evil. A quick glance through the wiki doesn't really show me characters who would be both town-aligned and immune to infection from Resident Evil.
I don't think I believe you.
Isn't this flavor-gaming? And isn't that bad?
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Confirmation that Wheat is not a new player means that his posts are horrible (and what's with the ilu-cozy?).
Just getting my RVS out of the way, vote Maokun because CC told to me to.
Unvote Maokun, vote AI and Seppel
You both know why.
Unvote
Also I'm joining the Wheat wagon. He's just blatantly fishing, and why would town want to see someone else's claim yet lynch a different person? Vote Wheat_Grinder
I see SS's worrying about game mechanics as natural.
@Cantripmancer: If you're miller then why didn't you claim in your very first post?
Because RVS holds a very dear spot in my heart. Even when I come into a game after RVS has ended, I make an RVS post, and I'm always a little sad when RVS dies. Claiming miller in the 10th non-/confirm, non-mod post of the game would have killed RVS.
Plus, I'm pretty sure that it's considered acceptable play to claim miller at any point D1 that still allows for discussion. It's claiming it D2/later/post-being-investigated that is questionable.
@kpaca: Are you specifically anti-t-Virus or just pro-hospital? Does The Hospital Plan include everyone vaccinating themselves at earliest opportunity?
I suppose I'll lead off here saying that I think Shark's poll was well-intended. Clearly could've done with some better delivery/question selection, but it did the job of getting us out of RVS while producing some wagons in the process.
@AsianI: Would you explain why you don't think SS is mafia? Do you agree with Shark's "townslip," or the way he claimed his way into his current situation, or some other behavioral tell?
@AlphaI: Source the Ataghan reference re: SS?
@Meg: I wish you'd be helpful. You don't have the savvy to pull off a Seppel-esque style yet.
@Cyan: Are we going to have another game of you just selectively reading posts? Cantrip has obviously showed you otherwise, and I could understand not reading the first time or two it was mentioned, if skimming past RVS. But it's been much more prevalent than that.
In particular, you not initially discussing either side of the Shark or SS issue bothers me.
@Shark: /barn the Alpha sentiments on your self meta, to an extent. While I don't have issue with you doing it on principal, the fact that you jump to self-meta as one of your first lines of self-defense isn't doing yourself any favors.
I don't see how you can see Silver's "slip" in #67 as town. It reads as frustrated, clearly, but (as I mention below), the lack of apparent concern or thinking through the repercussions of his actions towards the rest of the town aren't townpoints in any sense of the word. I could see the null thought process of theory, even. But not town.
@Kpaca: What made you think Cantrip was spreading Las Plagas based off that post?
Re: Megiddo, doing a whole lot of nothing seems to be his... thing as of late. I'm not sure how effective it has been.
@dC: I'm glad to see your sarcasm detectors are fully operational. Why do you disagree with Kpaca's plan?
Hope you don't mind me emulating your style, unrelated. It's been working decently well. I just don't intend for my posts to be as long as yours in the future.
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@DYH: Could you clarify this exchange for me? Particularly the DNE scum mindset bit.
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Can you see that post as having come from a town viewpoint?
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I can't see any reason for anyone to ask this question.
This != scum motivation.
I certainly would like to know what Shark was thinking when he asked it, because he had to know this was going to escalate into immediate votes.
Why do you think Shark knew his post was going to result in votes on him?
I really don't give two ****s where anyone goes. I can't be infected anyway. If you want to go to the hospital, go to the hospital. I just feel bad for Iso, that's all.
Also, DYH, you didn't answer my question. Why exactly is Shark getting a free ride for his blatantly scummy post?
What makes you think he's not getting a large amount of scrutiny for that post? And do you disagree with DYH's assessment? It seems like you just somewhat... glossed over that part.
FWIW, I actually agree with you as far as the philosophy of design goes. But the fact that you're even considering letting that actively dictate your gameplay decisions is at best, foolhardy and destructive to your team, and at worst, blatantly scummy.
Do you have a response to Seppel's post in #107? It feels like you're trying to avoid this hole you are digging deeper and deeper.
This is a blatant misrep/twisting of Shark's words after setting up a (fairly obvious) trap for him to self-incriminate in (re: pronouns). Meanwhile, wanting a claim from player A while voting player B does not come from a town mindset.
Add a dash of AtE, lack of commenting on the Shark poll or people's (i.e. Silver) reactions to said poll, and the bloodthirsty 180 (in regards to the now-maligned "no brakes" post) in #108. Season to taste.
...riddle me this. You can't be infected... yet you don't seem to want to go to the hospital, which Silent Hill characters/creatures shouldn't mind at all. On top of that, you keep dropping role hints that express broadly that you're from Resident Evil. A quick glance through the wiki doesn't really show me characters who would be both town-aligned and immune to infection from Resident Evil.
I don't think I believe you.
Isn't this flavor-gaming? And isn't that bad?
Noted. It's not like he doesn't have a dozen other inconsistencies with his mindset, though.
@dC: I'm glad to see your sarcasm detectors are fully operational. Why do you disagree with Kpaca's plan?
Hope you don't mind me emulating your style, unrelated. It's been working decently well. I just don't intend for my posts to be as long as yours in the future.
I have no problem with you emulating the style, but you're certainly not emulating the quality here. That line I quoted felt overenthusiastic and less than sincere, and not in a mockingly sarcastic way. That you quickly attempt to brush it aside here doesn't make me feel better - especially when you later finally place a vote on Wheat that the 'sarcastic' line makes fairly clear you wanted to do all along.
As for kpaca's plan, I want him to try and convince me first.
Bored and want to experiment with something unknown lol
Can you expand on this? How far would you be willing to push it at the cost of yourself or your team's chances on winning?
Also, what made you think that Kpaca knows more than we do? You'll come to figure out pretty quickly that he holds his cards quite close to the chest.
While I'm at it, are you a gimmick?
You seem to approve of kpaca a lot.
Also, the bolded question is really leading.
...query, ganderin_dan. Do you think both Silver and Wheat are scum?
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Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...' Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
1. Crap I used "your" instead of "you're"
Unvote, Vote Shark
Ok, I feel better
Unvote, Vote DYH
2.
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definitely don't say that if was trying to act town.
Hehehe...
@Shark, re Sihhe: Indignation can be faked. Why does Sihhe getting emotional override his previous, scummy posts?
Is that what you mean by 'Hospital Plan'? Everyone goes to the hospital and stays there for the entire game?
Emotions are secondary to the fact he roleslipped in the heat of the moment. I don't see scum using the intel they have to relieve pressure this early. I think the fact he said he was immune makes it more likely he's town than not. I agree emotions alone don't do much.
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So you aren't town and aren't acting town.
What does that make you?
ilu
Never said I wasn't town. I just said I was never trying to act like I was.
I figured you'd see from the first intuition post, I was saying I was town.
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You say that, but you're not voting him.
Even though you previously told us that you would not be unvoting him.
You're flailing pretty badly here.
I think that you are intentionally being difficult about SK. He is obviously saying that he doesn't need to 'act' like he is town, because he is town.
Of course, saying this means absolutely nothing, because like..what else is anyone going to say? But you're trying too hard here. And again, you are doing so regarding someone that you are currently not voting for.
On my brotha
I noticed that too.
VOTE WG
Unvote Vote Silver
Not liking Shark right now.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Oh. Gotcha.
Which means...?
You're not reading the thread.Hmm, later posts say you are reading the thread. You're not reading kpaca's posts. Why not?The reason I was so "neutral" about it is that no scum is stupid enough to ask that question, and no townie thinks "getting a bunch of votes on myself is a good plan". Ergo, as I explained to SS - there wasn't necessarily a scum mindset behind it. Which you oddly left out of my post quote above. Why, exactly?
Here's the entire post:
Because it's inherently a poor play on either side, as generating votes on yourself is not typically a good thing.
Now, it had some positive side effects. Yes, the Seppel and Kpaca reactions were expected, but SS slipped into the trap and fell all over himself trying to join the wagon but look like he had some additional insight. That last part is key - if he really had an issue with the poll, he would've just said so. Instead, he tried to make it look like it wasn't entirely a /barn with the tacked on portion at the end.
+++Town. Note most of his posts before this were absolutely terrible and I thought he was scum. But he townslipped hard here.[/quote]
Totally disagree. His initial attack was forced, gets angry in response, and then resorts to hinting at role information to get people off his back. I don't read that as a townslip at all. It comes off desperate and scummy.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
I want Shark lynched but I want Silver's claim first.
I love you.
Totally disagree. His initial attack was forced, gets angry in response, and then resorts to hinting at role information to get people off his back. I don't read that as a townslip at all. It comes off desperate and scummy.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
Except I wasn't forcing. You're saying that I was forcing. I'm a pretty transparent player, and I react very poorly to what I perceive to be unfair attention, especially early in Day 1 when there's -actual- nothing to go off of, and nothing for me to point out in my defense. Anyone who's played with me before can tell you this.
Unvote Shark. Vote Wheat. Stick to your convictions if you state them so strongly, and if you want to hop off of your convictions, don't blatantly state it as fishing.
I also don't like how aggressive DYH is being overall, but there's nothing at this point that wouldn't sound like OMGUS. I've played like a grand total of two-irl-days before he got NK'd in another game, so I can't really say whether he's always this aggressive or not -- but it feels like something that should be watched. Again, I am cognizant that this might just be my ire speaking, in lack of experience with the man.
Hospital party!
Shark looks town so far. -Silver does not, with his reactions to pressure, stretched reasoning for his shark vote, and the mind set inconsistency seppel caught. He is getting my vote, depending on the vote count.
DYH (2): AlphaInsidious, SharkFinnigan
Prophylaxis (1): Megiddo
AsianInvasion (1): Magenta
kpaca (1): Cantripmancer
SilverSihhe (5): DYH, kpaca, Seppel, Wheat_Grinder, Archmage Eternal
Wheat_Grinder (2): Cyan, SilverSihhe
With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Seppel/kpaca: So who is fishing, again? Hint: See above.
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@DYH: I'll agree to disagree with you on the overall conclusion on SS, though I see your rationale and how SS appeared to be desperate, etc. I just way the slip higher than his other actions.
And you do see the positive effects that come from that play. I am just surprised that it seemed that you thought that neither side had anything to gain from it. Basically, I value my life very little as I honestly never thought once I would ever be lynched for posting that question, but I guess that's just from experience from being ran up early.
Still meh on you. I'll rethink on it later.
I am not willing to vote SS unless I see more that convinces me that I was wrong on his "townslip". I am willing to vote Wheat, but I'll wait for no apparent reason except for not throwing votes around like a crazy player.
—Lazav
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I looked for specific mention of what the 'Hospital Plan' is, but didn't find it. Feel free to clarify.
This seems like a town post to me.
I want to see his claim too.
Unless you are going to admit you are voting SS SOLELY for the claim, you are not the same as Wheat.
That is voting solely for claim, not because he thinks SS is scum.
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Total Town Win %: 20%
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You were flatly wrong about the last bullet point, so yes, I'm going to interpret that as forcing.
I don't like how cognizant you are of your perception in the eyes of others as a result of how you feel about my aggressiveness. And it's totally fair to say I'm aggressive - I generally am.
See above - you can now add the "image tell" to this list.
I'm not necessarily saying you would've been lynched for it, but it certainly put a giant target on your back and led to garnering votes quickly. In a game with many seasoned veterans, that hardly seems like an ideal play, regardless of alignment.
If you're that nonchalant in your approach to play due to early ring-ups, though, that makes more sense. I didn't start reading along with Ataghan until mid-game, so I'm not very familiar with your play.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
I disagree (or at least I understand what he could be thinking). But WG can defend himself.
You guys were voting Shark for the fishing but what is your yake on WG and these...?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
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Wheat_Grinder: Terrible. Inflated statements from which he retracts easily and callously with weak arguments. +scum
Cyan:
SharkFinnigan: I just played with him and he struck me as a really smart player that is not afraid to look scummy (he was town.) As such, I wholly believe him when he said that he knew that his little poll would attract negative attention. That obviously doesn't mean that he couldn't use it truly as a scum fishing for roles, but only WIFOM lies this way. Rather, I'll state that I strongly disagree with his position on Silver (see below) and I don't like his vote on DYH. +/+scum (half a plus)
DYH: :thumbsup::thumbsup:
SilverSihhe: Here I disagree with Shark and agree with DYH. Silver's hinting of his role seemed to me heavy-handed and purposeful, not some kind of 'slip'. It made me wonder what was his purpose with this breadcrumbing until he tried to pretend that it was indeed an accidental slip. ++scum
cantripmancer: Can you please illuminate me on what a miller does and why is it a good thing to get vigged?
kpaca: I have to say I strongly dislike this holing up proposition and his dogged insistence that goes as far to implying that anyone who doesn't agree is suspect. Yes, it makes sense in the flavor of the game to hole in where the infection won't touch you, but he himself disregards flavour and equates this action to scumhunting and town victory when they are unrelated concepts. Getting infected with the virus merely changes your role mechanics as far as I know, so I have to wonder why is it so important and 'town-serving' for kpaca to try to avoid it. Not to mention that I don't think Iso wasn't smart enough to place some measure to deter players from doing this. Learning that there's such a thing as a role that can kill everyone in a location, makes it even more suspect.
I can see strong players like Seppel an KCC happily jumping in and I'm but a little voice and maybe I'm not seeing something, but until I understand how this measure will supposedly help town, count me out. And yes, if it comes to it that the majority agrees with the plan I will still refuse to do it.
Why aren't you reading this game right now?
Just so you know if we as town decide to do this and you won't we will lynch you so if being right is more important to you than your team than I guess do what you ware saying you will.
You didn't answer my question, though: Why is holing up in the hospital a townie thing? You seem to subtly be pushing this idea that getting infected = scum win, which has no foundation and makes me suspicious of you. I can't give less of a damn about being right: precisely because I care about town is that I don't mind risking being an outcast. Someone, after all, has to consider that you may actually be scum and that your proposition may be loaded with danger. Not giving you the free town pass that many seem willing to give you.
While I definitely plan on staying in the hospital with you, or at the very least otherwise avoiding being infected...
...I am totally not on board with this aspect of the plan. I am not seeing anything that would make me think this is justified, or even a way that we could generally enforce it.
Vote Megiddo
Screw you. It's kind of hard to get back into playing Mafia when you never see day 2. -_-;;;
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@SharkFinnigan
...well, that was unsubtle.
Why did you 'expect a SilverSihhe reaction'?
The spreading methods are only, you know, all in the first post?
@SilverSihhe
The language chosen here feels like a blatant appeal to emotion.
This is a quote by kpaca, but it's more relevant here. Two points:
1. So you can't be infected. Yay. In which case it should make little difference to you whether you go to the hospital or not, no? And more importantly - if you're town, there is a pretty good reason for you to care about the rest of your team going to the hospital or not.
2. kpaca's last observation there is exactly right. You took ages to commit yourself one way or the other to it... and then your final answer (yes, sure, whatever) seems to run counter to how emotionally against it you were presenting yourself as prior to that. Reads like stalling.
...uh huh.
The bolded feels bad. It's positively plastic to the touch.
@kpaca
This good player disagrees. I'm not seeing the benefit of this plan. Convince me.
@Maokun
Mmmh. The bolded seems a little off, but other than that, this seems like a firm townie thought process. Same with Cantripmancer, to a lesser extent.
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@SilverSihhe, again
...riddle me this. You can't be infected... yet you don't seem to want to go to the hospital, which Silent Hill characters/creatures shouldn't mind at all. On top of that, you keep dropping role hints that express broadly that you're from Resident Evil. A quick glance through the wiki doesn't really show me characters who would be both town-aligned and immune to infection from Resident Evil.
I don't think I believe you.
Vote: SilverSihhe
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
...mm. Come to think of it.
Serious question: who here is familiar with RE, and who here is familiar with Silent Hill?
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
/barn
Passing familiarity with both (I obsessively read wikis).
I don't think SS is mafia.
Vote Wheat Grinder
@kpaca - I'm ready to shack up in a hospital bed.
I know you later say you're okay with going to the hospital, but this quote here tells me that you are not interested in overall coordination just because you personally can't be infected.
Is that a town mindset? I don't believe it is; at least without reason to doubt the effectiveness of the plan.
Vote: SilverSihhe
Your general indignant attitude gave me pause until I realized you acted more or less the same way in Ataghan.
Agreed. There's assuredly a lot about the virus interactions we don't know in any case, since the game is largely built around it.
I don't know how to respond to this, really. I've never actually been a miller, though I've claimed it on a few occasions after an investigation result.
I assume the usual action is just to treat it as null and analyze behavior as normal?
Pointing to self-meta is a worthless gesture. Why do people continue to do it?
The instant you show awareness of your own meta, the meta is invalidated.
Gah, does this practice drive me crazy...
That's just bad town practice...putting extra claim info on the thread from people you don't intend to lynch. Is this your actual conviction, or how you think you can appear to not be flailing?
I actually like this post, even though I am favor of seeing this hospital plan in action. It is notably thoughtful and self-righteous, and more impressively so after some slight bullying by kpaca.
Definite town read on Maokun.
I have passing familiarity with RE, and very little with Silent Hill.
I loved RE4 and I've played Umbrella Chronicles. I'm completely unfamiliar with Silent Hill though.
Um...here:
From Mafiascum.net:
In my case, I've been told that anyone who investigates my alignment will receive a result of "Not Town".
It's not a good thing to get vigged, but getting vigged would be preferable to not claiming and getting investigated. Basic train of thought on playing a miller goes along the lines of either claiming or playing so that you don't get investigated.
If you claim, you heighten your chances of being vigged because otherwise it would become too easy for scum to fakeclaim miller and get away with it. The vig is more likely than a lynch because lynching a claimed miller doesn't lend itself as much to behavioral/wagon analysis, and--especially early game--a vig shot is chancier, so between shooting an unknown-except-for-behavior and shooting a player who has said he'll investigate as non-town, the vig will often "investigate" the miller by killing him.
If you attempt to play so as not to get investigated and you get investigated...oops, you just came up as non-town, and you get lynched. If you attempt to play so as not to get investigated and you get investigated late game...oops, you just came up as non-town, you get lynched, and your team loses.
(If anyone wants to add/correct elements of the above, feel free; like I said, I've never actually played miller before, so this is just what I remember from older games and what I could find to read in-between receiving my PM and my first non-RVS post.)
In my case, I figured the following were elements against me:
• I just came back from a 1.5-year hiatus, so I'm a little rusty.
• I've never been a miller before.
• If I manage to play well enough to avoid getting ridden roughshod over by proscum (Cyan: I'm looking at you; I haven't forgotten Brittania Rebellion), there are plenty of more experienced, higher profile players in this game, so I likely won't get investigated early...
• ...which means that if I get investigated, it's likely going to occur right around the time that the more experienced town players are gone, and we're getting down to lynch-or-lose, which is exactly when it would be the worst for me to get investigated.
Hence, I claimed.
Um, no. Signing on for girls-night-out in the hospital foyer does NOT equate to bloodbath-for-those-who-don't.
Oooooo: he blinded ME...with peer pressure! (wah, wah, wah)
I played most of the PS1 RE games, RE4, and have seen the first movie.
I played Silent Hill 1 & 2 and saw one of the movies. I think the first one.
I was a huge fan of survival horror and these two franchises specifically, in college, but then got a job, got married, had a kid, etc. Playing this game makes me want to go back and play the games again, though.
Isn't this flavor-gaming? And isn't that bad?
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Confirmation that Wheat is not a new player means that his posts are horrible (and what's with the ilu-cozy?).
Unvote; Vote: Wheat_Grinder
~school ends 6 pages
Just getting my RVS out of the way, vote Maokun because CC told to me to.
Unvote Maokun, vote AI and Seppel
You both know why.
Unvote
Also I'm joining the Wheat wagon. He's just blatantly fishing, and why would town want to see someone else's claim yet lynch a different person? Vote Wheat_Grinder
I see SS's worrying about game mechanics as natural.
I'm pretty sure he did.
@Iso: Vote count please.
Because RVS holds a very dear spot in my heart. Even when I come into a game after RVS has ended, I make an RVS post, and I'm always a little sad when RVS dies. Claiming miller in the 10th non-/confirm, non-mod post of the game would have killed RVS.
Plus, I'm pretty sure that it's considered acceptable play to claim miller at any point D1 that still allows for discussion. It's claiming it D2/later/post-being-investigated that is questionable.
@kpaca: Are you specifically anti-t-Virus or just pro-hospital? Does The Hospital Plan include everyone vaccinating themselves at earliest opportunity?
I know I'm not the mod, but I had a moment. Changes in bold.
DYH (1): SharkFinnigan
Prophylaxis (1): Megiddo
AsianInvasion (1): Magenta
kpaca (0):
SilverSihhe (7): DYH, kpaca, Seppel, Wheat_Grinder, Archmage Eternal, desCoures, AlphaInsidious
Wheat_Grinder (5): Cyan, SilverSihhe, AsianInvasion, Cantripmancer, Prophylaxis
@AsianI: Would you explain why you don't think SS is mafia? Do you agree with Shark's "townslip," or the way he claimed his way into his current situation, or some other behavioral tell?
@AlphaI: Source the Ataghan reference re: SS?
@Meg: I wish you'd be helpful. You don't have the savvy to pull off a Seppel-esque style yet.
@Cyan: Are we going to have another game of you just selectively reading posts? Cantrip has obviously showed you otherwise, and I could understand not reading the first time or two it was mentioned, if skimming past RVS. But it's been much more prevalent than that.
In particular, you not initially discussing either side of the Shark or SS issue bothers me.
@Shark: /barn the Alpha sentiments on your self meta, to an extent. While I don't have issue with you doing it on principal, the fact that you jump to self-meta as one of your first lines of self-defense isn't doing yourself any favors.
I don't see how you can see Silver's "slip" in #67 as town. It reads as frustrated, clearly, but (as I mention below), the lack of apparent concern or thinking through the repercussions of his actions towards the rest of the town aren't townpoints in any sense of the word. I could see the null thought process of theory, even. But not town.
@Kpaca: What made you think Cantrip was spreading Las Plagas based off that post?
Re: Megiddo, doing a whole lot of nothing seems to be his... thing as of late. I'm not sure how effective it has been.
@dC: I'm glad to see your sarcasm detectors are fully operational. Why do you disagree with Kpaca's plan?
Hope you don't mind me emulating your style, unrelated. It's been working decently well. I just don't intend for my posts to be as long as yours in the future.
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@DYH: Could you clarify this exchange for me? Particularly the DNE scum mindset bit.
Why do you think Shark knew his post was going to result in votes on him?
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@Magenta:
Can you expand on this? How far would you be willing to push it at the cost of yourself or your team's chances on winning?
Also, what made you think that Kpaca knows more than we do? You'll come to figure out pretty quickly that he holds his cards quite close to the chest.
While I'm at it, are you a gimmick?
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@Cantrip:
See:
Do you not consider that ending RVS?
I consider claiming miller immediately SOP. Nothing either direction there, although that was an awfully long explanation for it.
Your explanation for voting W_G I find somewhat wanting, however. Be a tad more specific.
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@SS:
This doesn't strike you as a wee bit selfish?
What makes you think he's not getting a large amount of scrutiny for that post? And do you disagree with DYH's assessment? It seems like you just somewhat... glossed over that part.
FWIW, I actually agree with you as far as the philosophy of design goes. But the fact that you're even considering letting that actively dictate your gameplay decisions is at best, foolhardy and destructive to your team, and at worst, blatantly scummy.
Do you have a response to Seppel's post in #107? It feels like you're trying to avoid this hole you are digging deeper and deeper.
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@WG:
This is a blatant misrep/twisting of Shark's words after setting up a (fairly obvious) trap for him to self-incriminate in (re: pronouns). Meanwhile, wanting a claim from player A while voting player B does not come from a town mindset.
Add a dash of AtE, lack of commenting on the Shark poll or people's (i.e. Silver) reactions to said poll, and the bloodthirsty 180 (in regards to the now-maligned "no brakes" post) in #108. Season to taste.
Vote: W_G
Noted. It's not like he doesn't have a dozen other inconsistencies with his mindset, though.
@ganderin_dan
I have no problem with you emulating the style, but you're certainly not emulating the quality here. That line I quoted felt overenthusiastic and less than sincere, and not in a mockingly sarcastic way. That you quickly attempt to brush it aside here doesn't make me feel better - especially when you later finally place a vote on Wheat that the 'sarcastic' line makes fairly clear you wanted to do all along.
As for kpaca's plan, I want him to try and convince me first.
You seem to approve of kpaca a lot.
Also, the bolded question is really leading.
...query, ganderin_dan. Do you think both Silver and Wheat are scum?
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
Also, I have rested and now is a good time to unvote, vote Wheat_Grinder
—Lazav
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Mafia Stats
Summary:
Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
I don't like it. SS talks about his role so WG jumps on him so he'll claim.
I don't see why people are jumping on Cyan about reading. I won't get into it, I'll let Cyan respond but I see it a different way.
@desCourse. I've only seen the first movie of each. Never played the games.
They hate us cause they ain't us.