Does anyone have Las Plagas on their list of abilities/tendencies to gain? I would like to know because if nobody does that I'm 100% convinced that Silver is a Cult Leader. I'm like 80% convinced right now.
Oh, silver, you also omitted in your claim what happens to you if you are in the otherworld, which would be useful information to have. Also, what happens when you die?
also, unvote.
I would like to think that Iso wouldn't put a cult leader into the game, but I don't think that's a safe assumption to make. Unless somebody has a compelling reason against, I think silver should be our lynch Today.
My theory on the infection is that you've got roles that do things now, and roles that do things while infected/otherworlded. These may or may not overlap. So, by the end of the game where pretty much everybody will be infected in some fashion*, you've still got a game to play.
I don't think saying "infection is a scum ability" is correct, especially since it's initially determined by the environment.
I don't think claiming locations or infection status is going to be useful, though the "let's split up" horror trope is nagging me about that.
Silver is a special case, since there appears to be no cure for las plagas listed anywhere. That fits with his story as well as the cult leader theory — in neither case would it make sense for the transformation to be reversible.
EWP: I think letting the potential cult leader live is dangerous. Even if he does claim who he will recruit, there's A) no way to hold him to that and B) no reason the person he targeted would confirm they targeted him if they are actually recruited, otherwise they're playing against their win condition. Also, C) If the new recruit can themselves recruit, we're all screwed, no? This is very unlikely from a balance perspective, but a corner case possibility.
Let's think this through before committing.
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Oh, silver, you also omitted in your claim what happens to you if you are in the otherworld, which would be useful information to have. Also, what happens when you die?
also, unvote.
I would like to think that Iso wouldn't put a cult leader into the game, but I don't think that's a safe assumption to make. Unless somebody has a compelling reason against, I think silver should be our lynch Today.
My theory on the infection is that you've got roles that do things now, and roles that do things while infected/otherworlded. These may or may not overlap. So, by the end of the game where pretty much everybody will be infected in some fashion*, you've still got a game to play.
I don't think saying "infection is a scum ability" is correct, especially since it's initially determined by the environment.
I don't think claiming locations or infection status is going to be useful, though the "let's split up" horror trope is nagging me about that.
Silver is a special case, since there appears to be no cure for las plagas listed anywhere. That fits with his story as well as the cult leader theory — in neither case would it make sense for the transformation to be reversible.
EWP: I think letting the potential cult leader live is dangerous. Even if he does claim who he will recruit, there's A) no way to hold him to that and B) no reason the person he targeted would confirm they targeted him if they are actually recruited, otherwise they're playing against their win condition. Also, C) If the new recruit can themselves recruit, we're all screwed, no? This is very unlikely from a balance perspective, but a corner case possibility.
Let's think this through before committing.
I actually just went back and re-read my claim, because I didn't remember it saying anything about the Otherworld. Apparently I'm immune to that too. I only remembered it as being pathogens =/
One sidenote, though. Las Plagas can mutate when exposed to "other pathogens," which I take to mean t-virus, though it's weird that it's pluralized. It doesn't say anything about what happens when Las Plagas meets Otherworld.
The only thing my PM says is that when I die, Las Plagas peeps can't chat in the quicktopic for it anymore. I also have nothing that suggests that LP members can recruit -- so far as I'm aware, I am the only one who can do so.
Is anyone even entertaining the possibility that I am what I say I am (AKA, town)? Like, I don't understand how a town cult leader can exist either -- I was under the impression that CL were all neutrals, and all had their own win conditions (which I don't). Is there a precedent for a town cult leader?
Furthermore, is it normal for cult members to have anytime-chat, and for the members to gain new abilities upon joining? I feel like it isn't, but I haven't even been in a game with a cult let alone been part of one, so I actually have no idea.
I'm trying to think of any way I can confirm myself, and the only thing I'm coming up with that isn't damaging to the rest of the town, is if there's a mason. I'm not particularly happy about being put in this hole because of flavor :|
@CM: It should have been clear that I was seeking further explanation from Kpaca. 'Go to the Hospital because I'm Kpaca and I said so' is not a good enough reason for me, nor should it be for anyone. Additionally, making threats like 'people that don't move to the Hospital might get lynched for not doing so' is a complete joke. I'm not saying that I'm not willing to go there, I'm saying that I require a logically compelling reason to do so.
Wrong. The hospital has two caveats - it cannot become a t-virus infected zone, and a player can cure himself of the t-virus there. It does not say that a player cannot become infected while at the hospital, from targeting or being targeted by an infected player. Additionally, curing oneself of the virus requires a night's action.
But if everyone is in the hospital and commits to curing themselves N1 (and we have some way to verify that), then no more infection should be able to occur (unless someone leaves the hospital).
Then, assuming that anti-town roles are the only ones who want to infect other players, we should take a poll now and ask who's infected.
Why are we flavor gaming? Why? Why?! Where does it say that being infected = evil/pro-scum and not being infected = good/pro-town? It doesn't. The "cure" option in the hospital is there as a game-state switch-control so that if you don't want to be infected, you have a way to reverse it. I wouldn't even go as far as to say that it's likely that some people are hindered or hurt by being infected; given that (initially) a player can only be affected by the t-Virus OR the Otherworld. The cure option may exist just to give players a chance to flip their own personal t-Virus switches (the Otherworld switch, of course, being flipped by moving in or out of an Otherworld location).
I don't think it speaks well for Silver's role that--as far as we know--there is no cure for Las Plagas.
@Seppel: Are you only down with kpaca's suggestion because "infected = bad"? If not, what other reasoning do you have?
My theory on the infection is that you've got roles that do things now, and roles that do things while infected/otherworlded. These may or may not overlap. So, by the end of the game where pretty much everybody will be infected in some fashion*, you've still got a game to play.
I actually just went back and re-read my claim, because I didn't remember it saying anything about the Otherworld. Apparently I'm immune to that too. I only remembered it as being pathogens =/
I'm...gonna call bull. I can see a role PM that says you're "immune" to the t-Virus, but Otherworld is a state of the location, not a state of the player. Why would you be "immune" to Otherworld instead of just not having a "If you are in The Otherworld, you will gain the abilities and tendencies of ???" line (or having "If you are in The Otherworld, you gain no additional abilities or tendencies")?
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One sidenote, though. Las Plagas can mutate when exposed to "other pathogens," which I take to mean t-virus, though it's weird that it's pluralized. It doesn't say anything about what happens when Las Plagas meets Otherworld.
If I were guessing, I'd think the plurality was flavorful.
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Is anyone even entertaining the possibility that I am what I say I am (AKA, town)? Like, I don't understand how a town cult leader can exist either -- I was under the impression that CL were all neutrals, and all had their own win conditions (which I don't). Is there a precedent for a town cult leader?
I'm entertaining the possibility. But I pretty much see your role as a reflection of mine: a town role with possible upsides but significant potential detriment late-game. Falls to behavior and analysis to determine whether you're pro-town or not. Right now, I feel like there are inconsistencies in your story and that you're trying to cover your tracks/repair damage done.
However, I also feel like if you're Cult and not town, the chances of the Las Plagas recruiting without you alive are slim, so I think I'd rather focus on scum and see how you play out.
wow! Guys I've read the topic until this morning (post 201) but I had to deliver a big-badass work today (the last one for a couple months) so I'll be reading it and updating my thoughts and answers in a few minutes...
Sorry it took so long to answer!
Silver's focus on the cult aspects of his ability and not the supposed enhancement effect makes me
This is a bad post, and reads a lot like bloodthirst/fearmongering. I'm focusing on the cult aspects because that's what everyone else is focusing on. If we want to gather around a tree, smoke some weed and sing kum-bay-ya, then sure, I can sell you a world of extra abilities and enhacements. But we're not. The focus right now is squarely on the cult-similarities of my abilities, and the fact that my flavor is Saddler while my alignment is town.
I don't think it speaks well for Silver's role that--as far as we know--there is no cure for Las Plagas.
Acc. to Iso, the Las Plagas lose their Plagas abilities if I die. So there -is- a cure. Not one that I personally would particularly enjoy, but it does exist.
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I'm...gonna call bull. I can see a role PM that says you're "immune" to the t-Virus, but Otherworld is a state of the location, not a state of the player. Why would you be "immune" to Otherworld instead of just not having a "If you are in The Otherworld, you will gain the abilities and tendencies of ???" line (or having "If you are in The Otherworld, you gain no additional abilities or tendencies")?
Take this up with Iso postgame/when I flip. That's what it says.
Nah it just feels like if you were really an enhancer like gricky was that you'd be approaching it from that mindset rather than scrabbling to find examples where cult leaders have been town before or whatever.
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Like I believe that las plagas will mutate people, even just based on the OP. but trying to sell it as "enhancement" falls flat for a few reasons, one of which is that it's not at all how you are approaching it.
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Like I believe that las plagas will mutate people, even just based on the OP. but trying to sell it as "enhancement" falls flat for a few reasons, one of which is that it's not at all how you are approaching it.
It certainly sounds like an enhancement (at least from the little info I have in my role PM)
Unvote Shark. Vote Wheat. Stick to your convictions if you state them so strongly, and if you want to hop off of your convictions, don't blatantly state it as fishing.
My convictions are always strong. They're just easily changed too.
Besides your claim proved you weren't town as I hoped it would.
My detour will last til the end of the day now, it seems. I'll worry about Shark tomorrow.
Unless you are going to admit you are voting SS SOLELY for the claim, you are not the same as Wheat.
I voted SS because I was 99% sure his claim would prove him scum.
And I was right. He was claiming a day 1 Jace TMS, and while Jace TMS ability sets make sense this game, they don't on day 1 when most are probably not infected. Though I guess Proph is infected so who knows.
Just so you know if we as town decide to do this and you won't we will lynch you so if being right is more important to you than your team than I guess do what you ware saying you will.
But I ain't thanking this one.
I'm not thrilled with lynching everyone who doesn't participate in Hospital Sausagefest 2013.
That's just bad town practice...putting extra claim info on the thread from people you don't intend to lynch. Is this your actual conviction, or how you think you can appear to not be flailing?
Actual conviction. I felt Jace TMS vibes and last time I got that vibe the Jace was scum.
Okay, so... true odds of Otherworld in the Hospital, rounded to ones place, assuming equal odds for each state transition including no transition:
~D2~~~D3~~~~D4~~~D5+
[50%]--[42%]--[35%]--[100%]
Odds for Fog in the hospital:
~D2~~~D3~~~~D4~~~D5+
[50%]--[42%]--[43%]---[0%]
Odds for Normal in the hospital:
~D2~~~D3~~~~D4~~~D5+
[0%]---[16%]--[22%]---[0%]
Does anyone have Las Plagas on their list of abilities/tendencies to gain? I would like to know because if nobody does that I'm 100% convinced that Silver is a Cult Leader. I'm like 80% convinced right now.
Unless you are going to admit you are voting SS SOLELY for the claim, you are not the same as Wheat.
I voted SS because I was 99% sure his claim would prove him scum.
Sure, now you say this.
I was definitely not getting this vibe from you earlier.
@SS: Neighborizer is basically where you can form QTs with other people. Like Masons, except not auto-confirm town. This sound like your role (except limited to those with Las Pragas)?
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Unless you are going to admit you are voting SS SOLELY for the claim, you are not the same as Wheat.
I voted SS because I was 99% sure his claim would prove him scum.
Sure, now you say this.
I was definitely not getting this vibe from you earlier.
@SS: Neighborizer is basically where you can form QTs with other people. Like Masons, except not auto-confirm town. This sound like your role (except limited to those with Las Pragas)?
Yes, actually. There's the additional ability aspect of it too, but otherwise it sounds pretty much spot-on. Everyone's in the same QT, though -- your summary makes it sound like each person is in a separate QT.
Like I believe that las plagas will mutate people, even just based on the OP. but trying to sell it as "enhancement" falls flat for a few reasons, one of which is that it's not at all how you are approaching it.
@AsianI: Would you explain why you don't think SS is mafia? Do you agree with Shark's "townslip," or the way he claimed his way into his current situation, or some other behavioral tell?
@cantripmancer: that is a totally fair and town opinion to have. I am really starting to ignore your millet claim in favor of just analyzing you as hard as I can and so far so good for you.
Also, I'm a person who owns or operates a mill that grinds grain into flour, not the "business up front, party in the back" haircut.
Oh, here I thought you were a small-seeded grass grown around the world as a cereal crop or grain for both human food and fodder.
@CM: It should have been clear that I was seeking further explanation from Kpaca. 'Go to the Hospital because I'm Kpaca and I said so' is not a good enough reason for me, nor should it be for anyone. Additionally, making threats like 'people that don't move to the Hospital might get lynched for not doing so' is a complete joke. I'm not saying that I'm not willing to go there, I'm saying that I require a logically compelling reason to do so.
As far as SS goes...his play has been so bad so far that, if he were scum, I assume he would have just flatly claimed it by this point. I think he is town and just playing very poorly under pressure.
He says "it should be obvious" and follows that up with a bunch of bologna that he just made up on the spot cause he's not really paying attention and winging it. This is pretty much his exactly gameplay from Indiana Jones when I nailed him as scum despite his false claim of doc. Nothing cyan has said all game makes it obvious that he needed further explanation from me, and additionally he is quite obviously skimming the thread.
Day 1, 1 definate scum and 1 cult leader. I rock.
As Cyan's scumbuddy in Indiana Jones I can corroborate that he didn't pay attention in that game. However, the player I replaced was about to get lynched right before I joined and we were a two-man scum group in a 12-player Mini. I can see why scum-Cyan was uninvested in that game, but the same logic doesn't hold here.
I'm trying to think of any way I can confirm myself, and the only thing I'm coming up with that isn't damaging to the rest of the town, is if there's a mason. I'm not particularly happy about being put in this hole because of flavor :|
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SS is definitely not a cult leader because I started the game infected with Las Plagas which makes us unconfirmed masons. Las Plagas is granting me an ability that goes away if SS dies, so I would appreciate it if we didn't lynch him.
Like I believe that las plagas will mutate people, even just based on the OP. but trying to sell it as "enhancement" falls flat for a few reasons, one of which is that it's not at all how you are approaching it.
What are these few reasons?
One of them is in the post you quoted.
The other is apparently a non-reason.
There were only ever two, I think.
Conclusion: We shouldn't be lynching Silver.
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SS is definitely not a cult leader because I started the game infected with Las Plagas which makes us unconfirmed masons. Las Plagas is granting me an ability that goes away if SS dies, so I would appreciate it if we didn't lynch him.
Bored and want to experiment with something unknown lol
Can you expand on this? How far would you be willing to push it at the cost of yourself or your team's chances on winning?
Also, what made you think that Kpaca knows more than we do? You'll come to figure out pretty quickly that he holds his cards quite close to the chest.
While I'm at it, are you a gimmick?
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I was only laughing about the option(lol = lot´s of laughts), since it´s a survival horror game proposition, and usually people are frightened in this situation. But of course it´s part of the flavor, so just lol´ing...
About kpaca: as he started continuously mentioning for people to gather at the hospital, without any other explanations, I can only think of it as either: he will benefit himself from it because of something in his role/that he knows something about the virus we dont or he wants everybody in the same space for something. And I don´t think having all towns in one space healthy... It kind of freaks me out btw
(assuming that the virus won´t kill us nor change alignments, but just give us something new)
And no, I´m not a gimmick, you will notice I´m not a pro as the game goes on...
About SS: I don´t doubt the possibility of him being townie, but we should watch close...
Then, assuming that anti-town roles are the only ones who want to infect other players, we should take a poll now and ask who's infected.
In fact, the N1 action for any townie who is infected should be: Move to hospital, cure self.
That's a fairly large assumption to make without evidence.
Query 1: How in the world are you intending on assuring that the above happens?
Query 2: How in the world does this actually do anything with regards to the Silent Hill part of the game?
Query 3: ...or do you somehow think there are no anti-town elements from Silent Hill?
Assume 6 anti-town roles, that gives us 5 scum, 1 CL, and 12 townies.
Unless we manage to lynch the entire scumteam, we can force them to have to deal with the cult. And since Silver is fully outed as the CL, there's nothing they can do except force themselves to expend a NK dealing with the CL.
I am suddenly liking this plan.
I'm not. Relying on the mafia to take someone out? Especially after you've already stated it outright in-thread? You must be joking. That's not even considering that at the point mafia would be 'forced' to take out the Cult Leader, town has probably already lost as well.
I'm not quite sure at this point what to think of you pushing such a flawed plan, but I know I don't like it.
Wrong. The hospital has two caveats - it cannot become a t-virus infected zone, and a player can cure himself of the t-virus there. It does not say that a player cannot become infected while at the hospital, from targeting or being targeted by an infected player. Additionally, curing oneself of the virus requires a night's action.
But if everyone is in the hospital and commits to curing themselves N1 (and we have some way to verify that), then no more infection should be able to occur (unless someone leaves the hospital).
Same problem - how do you make sure that happens?
And, how in the world does this help against anti-town elements from Silent Hill?
I'm trying to think of any way I can confirm myself, and the only thing I'm coming up with that isn't damaging to the rest of the town, is if there's a mason. I'm not particularly happy about being put in this hole because of flavor :|
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SS is definitely not a cult leader because I started the game infected with Las Plagas which makes us unconfirmed masons. Las Plagas is granting me an ability that goes away if SS dies, so I would appreciate it if we didn't lynch him.
...mmmhh. So either he's not a cult leader or you're already cult. Fair enough for now.
Unconfirmed, though, you say?
@Wheat_Grinder
What the heck is up with all the JaceTMS you have plastered all over your latest post?
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In other news, the way kpaca jumped off to Cyan does not give me a good feeling. Neither does Magenta's latest post.
For now, though..
Unvote SilverSihhe
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This post in particular. I gave him a pass in the game because he seemed to be genuinely upset by Asenion's lies, and it felt like real indignation.
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The sole reason I backed off on the Hospital Plan and said that I would go there (which I never really planned on doing, by the way), is because everyone and their mother is lining up with Kpaca on this.
So? You still seem pretty convinced that it's wrong. For the record, I'm mostly interested in the reactions to kpaca's plan, than the plan itself. I find it unlikely to have game-breaking effectiveness, but it did help to bring your situation to a head, for starters.
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I'm burned out now. More later if I'm still alive by some miracle. I'm absolutely disgusted.
And I can't count this as town frustration, as I noted earlier.
@Infected players: Would one of you mind stepping forward to explain what sort of effect that has? (Just one, I don't want a mini mass claim here. And the description can be vague.)
This is a pretty dangerous question...and way too open-ended to be useful at this stage of the game, except perhaps to you .
As far as SS goes...his play has been so bad so far that, if he were scum, I assume he would have just flatly claimed it by this point. I think he is town and just playing very poorly under pressure.
Assume 6 anti-town roles, that gives us 5 scum, 1 CL, and 12 townies.
Unless we manage to lynch the entire scumteam, we can force them to have to deal with the cult. And since Silver is fully outed as the CL, there's nothing they can do except force themselves to expend a NK dealing with the CL.
I am suddenly liking this plan.
I dislike the plan (it allows for too many wrenches to happen in night), but I do like the mindset. It seems hard to imagine mafia suggesting such a thing with SS on the verge of lynch.
I'm trying to think of any way I can confirm myself, and the only thing I'm coming up with that isn't damaging to the rest of the town, is if there's a mason. I'm not particularly happy about being put in this hole because of flavor :|
oh hai
SS is definitely not a cult leader because I started the game infected with Las Plagas which makes us unconfirmed masons. Las Plagas is granting me an ability that goes away if SS dies, so I would appreciate it if we didn't lynch him.
Well, that looks like a call for help, and an answer.
Also, Asian, what makes him definitely not a cult leader if you are unconfirmed?
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
I don't think it speaks well for Silver's role that--as far as we know--there is no cure for Las Plagas.
Acc. to Iso, the Las Plagas lose their Plagas abilities if I die. So there -is- a cure. Not one that I personally would particularly enjoy, but it does exist.
So you say.
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I'm...gonna call bull. I can see a role PM that says you're "immune" to the t-Virus, but Otherworld is a state of the location, not a state of the player. Why would you be "immune" to Otherworld instead of just not having a "If you are in The Otherworld, you will gain the abilities and tendencies of ???" line (or having "If you are in The Otherworld, you gain no additional abilities or tendencies")?
Take this up with Iso postgame/when I flip. That's what it says.
Can someone who doesn't have all three of the "If" statements in their role PM indicate if there's any flavor of why you're missing those statements? I don't want to know which one(s) you're missing or what the flavor is, just if there's a flavor explanation for the absence. On the flip side, does anyone have a statement to the effect of "If you are [OneOfTheThreeConditions], you will gain no abilities or tendencies"?
Let's get into this here and pray for the benevolent mercy of the nested quote gods.
Ok, ilu2.
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My convictions are always strong. They're just easily changed too.
Isn't that...completely contradictory?
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And I was right. He was claiming a day 1 Jace TMS, and while Jace TMS ability sets make sense this game, they don't on day 1 when most are probably not infected. Though I guess Proph is infected so who knows.
What's a Jace TMS ability set?
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Actual conviction. I felt Jace TMS vibes and last time I got that vibe the Jace was scum.
When was this?
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If people have Las Plagas on their list, I'm worried about what might happen if we don't lynch him immediately.
Yes, actually. There's the additional ability aspect of it too, but otherwise it sounds pretty much spot-on. Everyone's in the same QT, though -- your summary makes it sound like each person is in a separate QT.
How many people can you recruit power up each night?
Oh, here I thought you were a small-seeded grass grown around the world as a cereal crop or grain for both human food and fodder.
Briefly considered, but discarded for what felt like the funnier haircut.
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SS is definitely not a cult leader because I started the game infected with Las Plagas which makes us unconfirmed masons. Las Plagas is granting me an ability that goes away if SS dies, so I would appreciate it if we didn't lynch him.
How do we know you're not just +1 to the cult from the start for balance/other reasons?
Wrong. The hospital has two caveats - it cannot become a t-virus infected zone, and a player can cure himself of the t-virus there. It does not say that a player cannot become infected while at the hospital, from targeting or being targeted by an infected player. Additionally, curing oneself of the virus requires a night's action.
But if everyone is in the hospital and commits to curing themselves N1 (and we have some way to verify that), then no more infection should be able to occur (unless someone leaves the hospital).
Same problem - how do you make sure that happens?
That's one of the reasons why I'm not sold on the plan.
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And, how in the world does this help against anti-town elements from Silent Hill?
Can I just state how odd it feels to feel like I'm in a minority of those who understand the mechanics of the game? (Actually, it probably means that I don't understand them, so please feel free to slap me back in my place, but...)
Look: all the roles were randomly evenly distributed among locations at the beginning of the game. So SH characters may have ended up in Raccoon City, and Saddler may be hangin' at the Hospital. Which universe any character's from has--I hope--very little to do with whether they're town or scum. A majority of players, I suspect, have an Otherworld and t-Virus effect, and at least several have a Las Plagas effect. These are all switches.
If we read the rules and believe everything that has been stated by players, we get:
Otherworld Abilities: Switched on when in Otherworld, switched off when not in Otherworld.
t-Virus Abilities: Switched on when infected (via a variety of means), switched off by going to the Hospital and sacrificing a night action.
Las Plagas Abilities: Switched on when targeted by Saddler, switched off when Saddler dies.
Why would a player want to "lose" an Otherworld or t-Virus ability? Because they want to gain the other type (and they can't have both at the same time until D5).
From what I can deduce, the supposed motivation from kpaca (and maybe ??? from Seppel) for going to the Hospital is to eliminate one of these switch-variables. If no one is infected, we only have to worry about Otherworld and Las Plagas abilities.
The only impact of the Hospital Plan on an anti-town element from Silent Hill is the same supposed impact on any character in the game: elimination of t-Virus abilities.
That said, I definitely have reason to want to be either Otherworlded or Infected (not saying which just yet), so I'm going to be hard-pressed to remain in one location and/or take a Vow of Chastity.
Part of me wonders if Las Plagas allows/activates both Otherworld and t-Virus abilities for the player. /speculation
Sorry for the mini-rant; I just feel like we keep getting sidetracked by flavor and set-up.
EWP: @AlphaI: Didn't know there was a "Beware of Listmakers" tell. Why is that scummy? He asked, I was curious myself, and I had time to go through the thread.
@Shark: Why did you feel the need to add "w/me" to that post?
I'm trying to think of any way I can confirm myself, and the only thing I'm coming up with that isn't damaging to the rest of the town, is if there's a mason. I'm not particularly happy about being put in this hole because of flavor :|
oh hai
SS is definitely not a cult leader because I started the game infected with Las Plagas which makes us unconfirmed masons. Las Plagas is granting me an ability that goes away if SS dies, so I would appreciate it if we didn't lynch him.
Well, that looks like a call for help, and an answer.
Also, Asian, what makes him definitely not a cult leader if you are unconfirmed?
I did tell SS in the mason QT that I'd defend him before I left for work, so he was within his right to remind me of my promise.
I'm pretty sure I'd be a cultist if he were. And as I'm not, he's not.
Then, assuming that anti-town roles are the only ones who want to infect other players, we should take a poll now and ask who's infected.
In fact, the N1 action for any townie who is infected should be: Move to hospital, cure self.
That's a fairly large assumption to make without evidence.
Query 1: How in the world are you intending on assuring that the above happens?
Query 2: How in the world does this actually do anything with regards to the Silent Hill part of the game?
Query 3: ...or do you somehow think there are no anti-town elements from Silent Hill?
Riposte 1: I'm not. We're on the honor system here, bro. Unless someone can scan for infections. And it would be silly if there weren't a role like that in the game.
Riposte 2: It doesn't. But since the Silent Hill areas are capable of curing people from the Resident Evil places, we can have a uniform town, whereas in the reverse scenario, we don't, due to the multiple infections.
Riposte 3: What? I don't get what you're saying.
Assume 6 anti-town roles, that gives us 5 scum, 1 CL, and 12 townies.
Unless we manage to lynch the entire scumteam, we can force them to have to deal with the cult. And since Silver is fully outed as the CL, there's nothing they can do except force themselves to expend a NK dealing with the CL.
I am suddenly liking this plan.
I'm not. Relying on the mafia to take someone out? Especially after you've already stated it outright in-thread? You must be joking. That's not even considering that at the point mafia would be 'forced' to take out the Cult Leader, town has probably already lost as well.
Do you remember how a cult works?
Take an example where we're at 5 town, 4 cult, and 2 mafia.
If we mislynch, then it goes down to 4/4/2. The mafia are forced at this point to kill SS (or a cultist), otherwise they lose the game (it would be 2/5/2).
My convictions are always strong. They're just easily changed too.
Isn't that...completely contradictory?
It's hard to explain. I feel my convictions strongly at the time but I end up switching quite often.
Basic 69 had a lot of that, for example.
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And I was right. He was claiming a day 1 Jace TMS, and while Jace TMS ability sets make sense this game, they don't on day 1 when most are probably not infected. Though I guess Proph is infected so who knows.
What's a Jace TMS ability set?
Too many abilities for the current gamestate. I coined it after Iso claimed 4 abilities in Starcraft Mafia (since Jace TMS is the only 'walker with 4 abilities).
He was scum and it rankles that I didn't lynch him.
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Actual conviction. I felt Jace TMS vibes and last time I got that vibe the Jace was scum.
When was this?
Iso in Starcraft Mafia.
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If people have Las Plagas on their list, I'm worried about what might happen if we don't lynch him immediately.
This is bad fearmongering.
I suppose it is at that.
I've just seen too much weird crap happen with cults.
@Magenta: experience in other forums of mafia then?
No, I have not. I've only played face-to-face mafia until now.
But I have read several games before being confident to enter one.
Congrats, you probably picked an advanced setup to get started in (Normals and Basics are usually your best bet). Good luck.
@Seppel: I'd be fine adding Cantrip to the town pile.
Rereading AlphaI's last post, I still not going to lynch SS, though the connections to some of SS's rage posts this game resemble slightly to the Atagan post AlphaI referenced. The difference for sure from there to here is that in Atagan, he wasn't clearly on tilt and not under pressure. So that has some impact. I might need to reread OT2R, because IIRC he exhibited similar traits to this game (never under as much pressure though).
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KCC and dC arent evoking any anti-town sentiment thus far
WG is scummy as heck
AE and kpaca I can never seem to get a good gauge on, though actually I feel AE is more town this game than previous experience w/ him and kpaca I dont get a town vibe with.
DYH is slight scum read.
Basically, if the majority of scum (3 of probable 5) are/were on the SS wagon, that makes it likely to be WG, kpaca and DYH.
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So SS is likely to be town? Shocking. The communications sub-group thing is really strange, but could be a useful tool.
More votes on WG now? Actually no, he should claim and then we'll work it out.
As far as the hospital goes..how have you guys not learned to not just blindly go along with things that Kpaca says? When Kpaca puts forth a suggestion, my immediate reaction is to be wary. When he puts it forth in the manner he did in this game(being vague about his reasoning, tacitly threatening people that don't comply), it makes me want to have nothing to do with it. Kpaca is like the Captain Jack Sparrow of the mafia sub-forum.
KCC and dC arent evoking any anti-town sentiment thus far
WG is scummy as heck
AE and kpaca I can never seem to get a good gauge on, though actually I feel AE is more town this game than previous experience w/ him and kpaca I dont get a town vibe with.
DYH is slight scum read.
Basically, if the majority of scum (3 of probable 5) are/were on the SS wagon, that makes it likely to be WG, kpaca and DYH.
I do agree with you about WG and kpaca, but I'm unsure about DYH, maybe I'm losing something you did see?
Though I came to find it really strange when Seppel just joined kpaca's hospital idea without reason, but it seems that he have been defending it better than kpaca (when people question about it) like in #201... I don't actually know what to think of it even when he looks town. What do you think?
So SS is likely to be town? Shocking. The communications sub-group thing is really strange, but could be a useful tool.
More votes on WG now? Actually no, he should claim and then we'll work it out.
As far as the hospital goes..how have you guys not learned to not just blindly go along with things that Kpaca says? When Kpaca puts forth a suggestion, my immediate reaction is to be wary. When he puts it forth in the manner he did in this game(being vague about his reasoning, tacitly threatening people that don't comply), it makes me want to have nothing to do with it. Kpaca is like the Captain Jack Sparrow of the mafia sub-forum.
KCC and dC arent evoking any anti-town sentiment thus far
WG is scummy as heck
AE and kpaca I can never seem to get a good gauge on, though actually I feel AE is more town this game than previous experience w/ him and kpaca I dont get a town vibe with.
DYH is slight scum read.
Basically, if the majority of scum (3 of probable 5) are/were on the SS wagon, that makes it likely to be WG, kpaca and DYH.
I do agree with you about WG and kpaca, but I'm unsure about DYH, maybe I'm losing something you did see?
Though I came to find it really strange when Seppel just joined kpaca's hospital idea without reason, but it seems that he have been defending it better than kpaca (when people question about it) like in #201... I don't actually know what to think of it even when he looks town. What do you think?
Sometimes other players can defend things better than oneself ever could. I don't think too much about it at this point, but I'll look into that for sure, especially if kpaca is actually scum. Though as put nicely by Cyan
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Kpaca is like the Captain Jack Sparrow of the mafia sub-forum.
It will be impossible for us to clearly read him unless we've played with him for long periods of time (so it's not going to be me).
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KCC and dC arent evoking any anti-town sentiment thus far
WG is scummy as heck
AE and kpaca I can never seem to get a good gauge on, though actually I feel AE is more town this game than previous experience w/ him and kpaca I dont get a town vibe with.
DYH is slight scum read.
Basically, if the majority of scum (3 of probable 5) are/were on the SS wagon, that makes it likely to be WG, kpaca and DYH.
I do agree with you about WG and kpaca, but I'm unsure about DYH, maybe I'm losing something you did see?
Though I came to find it really strange when Seppel just joined kpaca's hospital idea without reason, but it seems that he have been defending it better than kpaca (when people question about it) like in #201... I don't actually know what to think of it even when he looks town. What do you think?
Sometimes other players can defend things better than oneself ever could. I don't think too much about it at this point, but I'll look into that for sure, especially if kpaca is actually scum. Though as put nicely by Cyan
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Kpaca is like the Captain Jack Sparrow of the mafia sub-forum.
It will be impossible for us to clearly read him unless we've played with him for long periods of time (so it's not going to be me).
I think I want to be infected. It shouldn't change my town status right? So if it helps us out I don't see going to the hospital as being smart. Only hindering the town.
I think I want to be infected. It shouldn't change my town status right? So if it helps us out I don't see going to the hospital as being smart. Only hindering the town.
So SS is likely to be town? Shocking. The communications sub-group thing is really strange, but could be a useful tool.
More votes on WG now? Actually no, he should claim and then we'll work it out.
As far as the hospital goes..how have you guys not learned to not just blindly go along with things that Kpaca says? When Kpaca puts forth a suggestion, my immediate reaction is to be wary. When he puts it forth in the manner he did in this game(being vague about his reasoning, tacitly threatening people that don't comply), it makes me want to have nothing to do with it. Kpaca is like the Captain Jack Sparrow of the mafia sub-forum.
Hey look more nothingness patched up around vaguery from cyan, while not contributing and continuing to act as if most discussion directed at him isnt happening.
He is scum just as in ndiana jones. Its so blatant it hurts guys.
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*waves hand*
Are we doing this? I'm game. Is this going to help at all though?
Cyans scum for wanting to know why you want everyone in the hospital?
I say we lynch WG.
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@Silver. Do you have to be in the same place to target someone? Target me.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
First, town lynches
Second, mafia kills
Third, cult recruits
Because the mafia takes a turn after the town, we can force the mafia to kill Silver or else be caught gamethrowing.
Not gonna waste the lynch on the CL when we can force the mafia to waste their NK.
also, unvote.
I would like to think that Iso wouldn't put a cult leader into the game, but I don't think that's a safe assumption to make. Unless somebody has a compelling reason against, I think silver should be our lynch Today.
My theory on the infection is that you've got roles that do things now, and roles that do things while infected/otherworlded. These may or may not overlap. So, by the end of the game where pretty much everybody will be infected in some fashion*, you've still got a game to play.
I don't think saying "infection is a scum ability" is correct, especially since it's initially determined by the environment.
I don't think claiming locations or infection status is going to be useful, though the "let's split up" horror trope is nagging me about that.
Silver is a special case, since there appears to be no cure for las plagas listed anywhere. That fits with his story as well as the cult leader theory — in neither case would it make sense for the transformation to be reversible.
EWP: I think letting the potential cult leader live is dangerous. Even if he does claim who he will recruit, there's A) no way to hold him to that and B) no reason the person he targeted would confirm they targeted him if they are actually recruited, otherwise they're playing against their win condition. Also, C) If the new recruit can themselves recruit, we're all screwed, no? This is very unlikely from a balance perspective, but a corner case possibility.
Let's think this through before committing.
I actually just went back and re-read my claim, because I didn't remember it saying anything about the Otherworld. Apparently I'm immune to that too. I only remembered it as being pathogens =/
One sidenote, though. Las Plagas can mutate when exposed to "other pathogens," which I take to mean t-virus, though it's weird that it's pluralized. It doesn't say anything about what happens when Las Plagas meets Otherworld.
The only thing my PM says is that when I die, Las Plagas peeps can't chat in the quicktopic for it anymore. I also have nothing that suggests that LP members can recruit -- so far as I'm aware, I am the only one who can do so.
Is anyone even entertaining the possibility that I am what I say I am (AKA, town)? Like, I don't understand how a town cult leader can exist either -- I was under the impression that CL were all neutrals, and all had their own win conditions (which I don't). Is there a precedent for a town cult leader?
Furthermore, is it normal for cult members to have anytime-chat, and for the members to gain new abilities upon joining? I feel like it isn't, but I haven't even been in a game with a cult let alone been part of one, so I actually have no idea.
I'm trying to think of any way I can confirm myself, and the only thing I'm coming up with that isn't damaging to the rest of the town, is if there's a mason. I'm not particularly happy about being put in this hole because of flavor :|
Also agree with meg's assessment in 254.
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Hmm.
The answers to these questions should have been obvious. That you felt you had to get clarification is concerning. IGMEOY.
But if everyone is in the hospital and commits to curing themselves N1 (and we have some way to verify that), then no more infection should be able to occur (unless someone leaves the hospital).
Why are we flavor gaming? Why? Why?! Where does it say that being infected = evil/pro-scum and not being infected = good/pro-town? It doesn't. The "cure" option in the hospital is there as a game-state switch-control so that if you don't want to be infected, you have a way to reverse it. I wouldn't even go as far as to say that it's likely that some people are hindered or hurt by being infected; given that (initially) a player can only be affected by the t-Virus OR the Otherworld. The cure option may exist just to give players a chance to flip their own personal t-Virus switches (the Otherworld switch, of course, being flipped by moving in or out of an Otherworld location).
I don't think it speaks well for Silver's role that--as far as we know--there is no cure for Las Plagas.
@Seppel: Are you only down with kpaca's suggestion because "infected = bad"? If not, what other reasoning do you have?
I know I'm bad at this, but if this is a valid plan, why isn't it used with every CL? Also, define "gamethrowing".
What's the * for?
I'm...gonna call bull. I can see a role PM that says you're "immune" to the t-Virus, but Otherworld is a state of the location, not a state of the player. Why would you be "immune" to Otherworld instead of just not having a "If you are in The Otherworld, you will gain the abilities and tendencies of ???" line (or having "If you are in The Otherworld, you gain no additional abilities or tendencies")?
If I were guessing, I'd think the plurality was flavorful.
I'm entertaining the possibility. But I pretty much see your role as a reflection of mine: a town role with possible upsides but significant potential detriment late-game. Falls to behavior and analysis to determine whether you're pro-town or not. Right now, I feel like there are inconsistencies in your story and that you're trying to cover your tracks/repair damage done.
However, I also feel like if you're Cult and not town, the chances of the Las Plagas recruiting without you alive are slim, so I think I'd rather focus on scum and see how you play out.
Sorry it took so long to answer!
No, I haven't.
This is a bad post, and reads a lot like bloodthirst/fearmongering. I'm focusing on the cult aspects because that's what everyone else is focusing on. If we want to gather around a tree, smoke some weed and sing kum-bay-ya, then sure, I can sell you a world of extra abilities and enhacements. But we're not. The focus right now is squarely on the cult-similarities of my abilities, and the fact that my flavor is Saddler while my alignment is town.
Acc. to Iso, the Las Plagas lose their Plagas abilities if I die. So there -is- a cure. Not one that I personally would particularly enjoy, but it does exist.
Take this up with Iso postgame/when I flip. That's what it says.
I'd rather wait for one of the infected to step forward and explain what that means first, before we do a softclaim.
-If it's bad, or if no one steps forward, then I'm in favor of this plan.
Yeah, I'd rather leave Silver alone for now.
It certainly sounds like an enhancement (at least from the little info I have in my role PM)
As a matter of fact, I am infected and I won't be moving to the hospital N1.
Let's get into this here and pray for the benevolent mercy of the nested quote gods.
My convictions are always strong. They're just easily changed too.
Besides your claim proved you weren't town as I hoped it would.
My detour will last til the end of the day now, it seems. I'll worry about Shark tomorrow.
I voted SS because I was 99% sure his claim would prove him scum.
And I was right. He was claiming a day 1 Jace TMS, and while Jace TMS ability sets make sense this game, they don't on day 1 when most are probably not infected. Though I guess Proph is infected so who knows.
Wheat_Grinder thanks this post!
But I ain't thanking this one.
I'm not thrilled with lynching everyone who doesn't participate in Hospital Sausagefest 2013.
My knowledge of RE ends with "What're ya buyin'?". My knowledge of Silent Hill ends with Pyramid Head.
Actual conviction. I felt Jace TMS vibes and last time I got that vibe the Jace was scum.
I have Las Plagas on my list.
If people have Las Plagas on their list, I'm worried about what might happen if we don't lynch him immediately.
Sure, now you say this.
I was definitely not getting this vibe from you earlier.
@SS: Neighborizer is basically where you can form QTs with other people. Like Masons, except not auto-confirm town. This sound like your role (except limited to those with Las Pragas)?
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Yes, actually. There's the additional ability aspect of it too, but otherwise it sounds pretty much spot-on. Everyone's in the same QT, though -- your summary makes it sound like each person is in a separate QT.
What are these few reasons?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Stay tuned.
Oh, here I thought you were a small-seeded grass grown around the world as a cereal crop or grain for both human food and fodder.
As Cyan's scumbuddy in Indiana Jones I can corroborate that he didn't pay attention in that game. However, the player I replaced was about to get lynched right before I joined and we were a two-man scum group in a 12-player Mini. I can see why scum-Cyan was uninvested in that game, but the same logic doesn't hold here.
oh hai
SS is definitely not a cult leader because I started the game infected with Las Plagas which makes us unconfirmed masons. Las Plagas is granting me an ability that goes away if SS dies, so I would appreciate it if we didn't lynch him.
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The other is apparently a non-reason.
There were only ever two, I think.
Conclusion: We shouldn't be lynching Silver.
I want to join.
Ok it sounded like you were getting on his case.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
First things first: Unvote
I was only laughing about the option(lol = lot´s of laughts), since it´s a survival horror game proposition, and usually people are frightened in this situation. But of course it´s part of the flavor, so just lol´ing...
About kpaca: as he started continuously mentioning for people to gather at the hospital, without any other explanations, I can only think of it as either: he will benefit himself from it because of something in his role/that he knows something about the virus we dont or he wants everybody in the same space for something. And I don´t think having all towns in one space healthy... It kind of freaks me out btw
(assuming that the virus won´t kill us nor change alignments, but just give us something new)
And no, I´m not a gimmick, you will notice I´m not a pro as the game goes on...
About SS: I don´t doubt the possibility of him being townie, but we should watch close...
I´m still re-reading WG case...
That's a fairly large assumption to make without evidence.
Query 1: How in the world are you intending on assuring that the above happens?
Query 2: How in the world does this actually do anything with regards to the Silent Hill part of the game?
Query 3: ...or do you somehow think there are no anti-town elements from Silent Hill?
I'm not. Relying on the mafia to take someone out? Especially after you've already stated it outright in-thread? You must be joking. That's not even considering that at the point mafia would be 'forced' to take out the Cult Leader, town has probably already lost as well.
I'm not quite sure at this point what to think of you pushing such a flawed plan, but I know I don't like it.
@Cantripmancer
Same problem - how do you make sure that happens?
And, how in the world does this help against anti-town elements from Silent Hill?
@AsianInvasion
...mmmhh. So either he's not a cult leader or you're already cult. Fair enough for now.
Unconfirmed, though, you say?
@Wheat_Grinder
What the heck is up with all the JaceTMS you have plastered all over your latest post?
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In other news, the way kpaca jumped off to Cyan does not give me a good feeling. Neither does Magenta's latest post.
For now, though..
Unvote SilverSihhe
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SS is claiming too many abilities.
Or having them claimed for him, now that AI has stepped forth as his masonbro.
Is that a "Beware of listmakers" tell I see?
This post in particular. I gave him a pass in the game because he seemed to be genuinely upset by Asenion's lies, and it felt like real indignation.
So? You still seem pretty convinced that it's wrong. For the record, I'm mostly interested in the reactions to kpaca's plan, than the plan itself. I find it unlikely to have game-breaking effectiveness, but it did help to bring your situation to a head, for starters.
And I can't count this as town frustration, as I noted earlier.
This is a pretty dangerous question...and way too open-ended to be useful at this stage of the game, except perhaps to you .
I dislike the plan (it allows for too many wrenches to happen in night), but I do like the mindset. It seems hard to imagine mafia suggesting such a thing with SS on the verge of lynch.
Well, that looks like a call for help, and an answer.
Also, Asian, what makes him definitely not a cult leader if you are unconfirmed?
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A charmed life, I lead.
So you say.
Can someone who doesn't have all three of the "If" statements in their role PM indicate if there's any flavor of why you're missing those statements? I don't want to know which one(s) you're missing or what the flavor is, just if there's a flavor explanation for the absence. On the flip side, does anyone have a statement to the effect of "If you are [OneOfTheThreeConditions], you will gain no abilities or tendencies"?
/barn, but I'm still disturbed by the idea that it's a one-way ticket.
Ok, ilu2.
Isn't that...completely contradictory?
What's a Jace TMS ability set?
When was this?
This is bad fearmongering.
How many people can you
recruitpower up each night?Briefly considered, but discarded for what felt like the funnier haircut.
How do we know you're not just +1 to the cult from the start for balance/other reasons?
Why does every drunk post come off as sober people trying to sound like they're drunk-posting?
That's one of the reasons why I'm not sold on the plan.
Can I just state how odd it feels to feel like I'm in a minority of those who understand the mechanics of the game? (Actually, it probably means that I don't understand them, so please feel free to slap me back in my place, but...)
Look: all the roles were randomly evenly distributed among locations at the beginning of the game. So SH characters may have ended up in Raccoon City, and Saddler may be hangin' at the Hospital. Which universe any character's from has--I hope--very little to do with whether they're town or scum. A majority of players, I suspect, have an Otherworld and t-Virus effect, and at least several have a Las Plagas effect. These are all switches.
If we read the rules and believe everything that has been stated by players, we get:
Otherworld Abilities: Switched on when in Otherworld, switched off when not in Otherworld.
t-Virus Abilities: Switched on when infected (via a variety of means), switched off by going to the Hospital and sacrificing a night action.
Las Plagas Abilities: Switched on when targeted by Saddler, switched off when Saddler dies.
Why would a player want to "lose" an Otherworld or t-Virus ability? Because they want to gain the other type (and they can't have both at the same time until D5).
From what I can deduce, the supposed motivation from kpaca (and maybe ??? from Seppel) for going to the Hospital is to eliminate one of these switch-variables. If no one is infected, we only have to worry about Otherworld and Las Plagas abilities.
The only impact of the Hospital Plan on an anti-town element from Silent Hill is the same supposed impact on any character in the game: elimination of t-Virus abilities.
That said, I definitely have reason to want to be either Otherworlded or Infected (not saying which just yet), so I'm going to be hard-pressed to remain in one location and/or take a Vow of Chastity.
Part of me wonders if Las Plagas allows/activates both Otherworld and t-Virus abilities for the player. /speculation
Sorry for the mini-rant; I just feel like we keep getting sidetracked by flavor and set-up.
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EWP: @AlphaI: Didn't know there was a "Beware of Listmakers" tell. Why is that scummy? He asked, I was curious myself, and I had time to go through the thread.
@Shark: Why did you feel the need to add "w/me" to that post?
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He was drunk so it must be true.
Because gaming the mod has resulted in so many town wins.
I did tell SS in the mason QT that I'd defend him before I left for work, so he was within his right to remind me of my promise.
I'm pretty sure I'd be a cultist if he were. And as I'm not, he's not.
Riposte 1: I'm not. We're on the honor system here, bro. Unless someone can scan for infections. And it would be silly if there weren't a role like that in the game.
Riposte 2: It doesn't. But since the Silent Hill areas are capable of curing people from the Resident Evil places, we can have a uniform town, whereas in the reverse scenario, we don't, due to the multiple infections.
Riposte 3: What? I don't get what you're saying.
Do you remember how a cult works?
Take an example where we're at 5 town, 4 cult, and 2 mafia.
If we mislynch, then it goes down to 4/4/2. The mafia are forced at this point to kill SS (or a cultist), otherwise they lose the game (it would be 2/5/2).
Shark, Alpha, and Cantrip are town w/ me for sure. Even better to know.
I know this because I am assuming Shark picked up on the same thing I did about Alpha, and the "for sure" at the end screams townie.
AlphaInsidious
Seppel
Magenta
Cantripmancer
SharkFinnigan
DYH
kpaca
Prophylaxis
desCoures
Megiddo
ganderin_dan
Maokun
Cyan
KittyCupCake
Archmage Eternal
Wheat_Grinder
SilverSihhe
AsianInvasion
No, I have not. I've only played face-to-face mafia until now.
But I have read several games before being confident to enter one.
It's hard to explain. I feel my convictions strongly at the time but I end up switching quite often.
Basic 69 had a lot of that, for example.
Too many abilities for the current gamestate. I coined it after Iso claimed 4 abilities in Starcraft Mafia (since Jace TMS is the only 'walker with 4 abilities).
He was scum and it rankles that I didn't lynch him.
Iso in Starcraft Mafia.
I suppose it is at that.
I've just seen too much weird crap happen with cults.
I said it before I'll say it again; Iso turning out to be scum when I didn't game the mod enough rankled.
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/barn on Cantrip with the "w/me" thing. It feels out of place.
Congrats, you probably picked an advanced setup to get started in (Normals and Basics are usually your best bet). Good luck.
@Seppel: I'd be fine adding Cantrip to the town pile.
Rereading AlphaI's last post, I still not going to lynch SS, though the connections to some of SS's rage posts this game resemble slightly to the Atagan post AlphaI referenced. The difference for sure from there to here is that in Atagan, he wasn't clearly on tilt and not under pressure. So that has some impact. I might need to reread OT2R, because IIRC he exhibited similar traits to this game (never under as much pressure though).
—Lazav
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Mafia Stats
Summary:
Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
SilverSihhe (4): DYH, Wheat_Grinder, KittyCupCake, AlphaInsidious
Wheat_Grinder (7): Cyan, SilverSihhe, AsianInvasion, Cantripmancer, ganderin_dan, SharkFinnigan, Archmage Eternal
Cyan (1): kpaca
ganderin_dan (1): desCoures
With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Basically, if the majority of scum (3 of probable 5) are/were on the SS wagon, that makes it likely to be WG, kpaca and DYH.
—Lazav
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Mafia Stats
Summary:
Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
More votes on WG now? Actually no, he should claim and then we'll work it out.
As far as the hospital goes..how have you guys not learned to not just blindly go along with things that Kpaca says? When Kpaca puts forth a suggestion, my immediate reaction is to be wary. When he puts it forth in the manner he did in this game(being vague about his reasoning, tacitly threatening people that don't comply), it makes me want to have nothing to do with it. Kpaca is like the Captain Jack Sparrow of the mafia sub-forum.
I do agree with you about WG and kpaca, but I'm unsure about DYH, maybe I'm losing something you did see?
Though I came to find it really strange when Seppel just joined kpaca's hospital idea without reason, but it seems that he have been defending it better than kpaca (when people question about it) like in #201... I don't actually know what to think of it even when he looks town. What do you think?
Agreed as well.
Sometimes other players can defend things better than oneself ever could. I don't think too much about it at this point, but I'll look into that for sure, especially if kpaca is actually scum. Though as put nicely by Cyan
It will be impossible for us to clearly read him unless we've played with him for long periods of time (so it's not going to be me).
—Lazav
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Mafia Stats
Summary:
Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
I see, thank ya
They hate us cause they ain't us.
What does it suggest to you if the opposite is true?
I agree with this statement 100%.
Hey look more nothingness patched up around vaguery from cyan, while not contributing and continuing to act as if most discussion directed at him isnt happening.
He is scum just as in ndiana jones. Its so blatant it hurts guys.