As many of you know by know the founders of Pirate... and some other people are being charge on felonies for upholding certain site (don't know if I can say the name here :s).
I bring up the topic cause we know many people have infringe with copyright laws and the media and corporations keep pushing people to do so by making available so many utilities for doing so. I'm worried because if the governments keep pushing the topic we could be foreseeing the privatization of the Web in a near future.
I would like to have your opinion on this topic since this a site that in a way has past history on this topic.
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I bring up the topic cause we know many people have infringe with copyright laws and the media and corporations keep pushing people to do so by making available so many utilities for doing so.
I'm confused... The media is making you steal?
This is very simple. Online piracy is theft. You can argue whether or not the laws regarding it require reforming, but it is still theft.
1) Whether you believe piracy is alright.
2) Whether you believe piracy isn't aright, but artists and software companies are charging more than their products are worth (I'm looking at you, Photoshop).
I'm with #2. I haven't pirated a song since Napster was cool and we all legitimately didn't know what we were doing was illegal.
Still, bands like Metallica really shouldn't have gotten their panties in a ruffle considering (I'm fairly sure) one could live off of concert sales alone, or at the very least $X a disc, where X isn't 15 - 18 (though these prices wouldn't really be feasible for smaller acts).
Photoshop, while a nice piece of software, isn't worth $600 considering the freeware available (the only qualms I have with GIMP is the interface). It's not alright to pirate these things, but damn, I can see the allure.
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Media is not making me steal. But in a way is like the story of the very hot girl with the short skirt teasing the old sick guy with a history of rape. You should know how that came out...
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I tend to pirate something if I wouldn't have bought the product in the first place. Sometimes I delete the stuff afterwards if I don't like it, sometimes I buy the finished product.
When it comes to digital transfers, and this is going to sound like weirdly splitting hairs. You aren't taking anything away from the corporation, your just not giving them any more than they already have.
Thats the basic difference between bit torrent and shoplifting.
My opinion: Its wrong for the same reasons as sneaking into a movie theater is wrong. You're not taking anything "away" from the movie theater in that case either.
When it comes to digital transfers, and this is going to sound like weirdly splitting hairs. You aren't taking anything away from the corporation, your just not giving them any more than they already have.
That's actually the central argument of copyright. It was around when the issue was the printing of books without paying the authors royalties. It is what Charles Dickens and Mark Twain dealt with. When some printer in the 19th century printed and sold unauthorized copies of their works he was not taking anything physical from the authors either.
The big change with digital copyright violation is that it is mostly non-profit. With a for-profit copyright violator we can easily see that he/she is just a leech. They do not produce the work themselves but simply leech off it, repackage it and make a profit off it. With non-profit piracy we enter into the 'hippie' realm of 'information wants to be free' which skews people's perceptions.
The key issue of copyright is how do we compensate creative people for their work coming up with new art and ideas in a way that gives them incentive to continue while also allowing for a free flowing exchange of ideas that progress society.
(I've think you guys are too soft but that's beside the point... I know you understood me.)
So intangible things can be stolen? The greatest, most precious things in life that give meaning and value can be stolen? It sounds to me like that ECP. Intellectual property can be the greatest and only achievement of someone's life. Are you willing for all that time and effort to go to waste and unrecognized? That's what people do when they steal intellectual property.
What I'm against is those people in power controlling vital information for the development and/or progress of anyone.
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Wait! I thought we were talking about those guys from Solmalia that highjack oil tankers!
But seriously, in the case of oil companies and in the case of software and movie companies, I think it's refeshing when they get their comeuppance. Dump chemicals in the water, you deserve an occasionaly stolen oil tanker. Effectively censor films by creating the MPAA, and you deserve the occasional content to be stolen and put on YouTube. In either case, these bastards can afford it.
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That's actually the central argument of copyright. It was around when the issue was the printing of books without paying the authors royalties. It is what Charles Dickens and Mark Twain dealt with. When some printer in the 19th century printed and sold unauthorized copies of their works he was not taking anything physical from the authors either.
This is totally different as it is taking away sales/money. (people willing to buy the book but the authors don't get any money)
Where as many pirates say "they would not have bought the product in the first place" which if it where true(I doubt it) then there pirating wouldn't be hurting the company.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
Back when I was in college I pirated a lot and my reasoning was simple; I didn't have a penny to my name, and so nobody could say they lost any money from me.
Today however I got money, so I do buy more DVDs (it's looks better to have original DVD boxsets than bland CD towers) But there is still a lot of stuff I could never get my hand on legitimately (like subs of recent anime).
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Back in the Napster days, that was often the ONLY way you could get "just this one track that you liked" or some older stuff that had not yet entered "vintage" music status.
Now you can get online and get most songs you need (even the older nonvintage things) for 30 cents to a dollar each. The downside is that you have to be registered with a company who has your credit card on file for automatic payment. I found that that was a relatively small tradeoff for what amounts to $80-100 in music bought the old-fashioned way on CD or vinyl.
You can usually find links to legit sales of online music from your favorite bands' Myspace pages. I do everything I can to support this business model, because at least on the face of it, more money is going directly into the artists' pockets.
As for limiting a band's income to whatever it can make on live shows alone, imagine if you had to do that. What would your tour schedule be like? How much time would that leave you to write and rehearse new material?
As for photoshop, I run a small business doing technical illustrations. It's a huge business expense, but I can write it off on my taxes. Same for Illustrator and the rendering software. If you're just going to use it to make Magic card proxies or banners, maybe you should learn the GIMP interface and work with that. But Photoshop is the industry standard, and while I could have continued to use GIMP, I found my productivity increased when I was able to import files easily from one software to the next. Enough anyway to justify its cost.
Wait! I thought we were talking about those guys from Somalia that highjack oil tankers!
When I clicked on this thread I was thinking the same thing. For a moment I thought he was going to provide a justification for actual piracy. That would have been awesome to read, even if morally unsettling.
I for one have the money to buy commodities like DVDs and music. I have every intention of supporting either the artist or the corporation that represents them.
However, as a computer scientist, I crave valuable information. If they aren't willing to hand it over for a reasonable price, or if they are unable to sell it, I will take it from them. This isn't always an immoral act. For instance, if I'm having to rework some old software from a company that went out of business or that refuses to provide legacy support, I will get the information I seek regardless of whether they wanted me to have it.
I recognize that intellectual property can be just as valuable as a tangible product and so I don't take the issue of piracy lightly.
But knowledge is power and so I abhor secrets. Those who hoard information to no practical end -those who are unwilling to use it - are unfit to possess it.
On an unrelated note, I really enjoy playing Blue. It's a color I'm very good with.
That's actually the central argument of copyright. It was around when the issue was the printing of books without paying the authors royalties. It is what Charles Dickens and Mark Twain dealt with. When some printer in the 19th century printed and sold unauthorized copies of their works he was not taking anything physical from the authors either.
This is totally different as it is taking away sales/money. (people willing to buy the book but the authors don't get any money)
Where as many pirates say "they would not have bought the product in the first place" which if it where true(I doubt it) then there pirating wouldn't be hurting the company.
(Since neither of you explicitly said so, please understand that I'm only quoting you to segue into this statement.)
What I find most interesting is that the same people that use the logic that piracy is wrong due to it "taking money away from the artist/creator" generally don't have the same issue with the secondary marketplace (think Gamestop, CD Tradepost, or online auction sites). Obviously piracy has a much larger scope since one copy purchased (or even zero copies really) can service thousands of people, but on a person by person basis each case takes exactly one sale away from the artist/creator.
Which is why I always tell people to buy good games new, to reward the company's product and encourage sequels be brouht here down the road.
I was forced to vote for it being wrong simply because i'm a ninja. I do think it is wrong to a certain extent, but i pirate myself sometimes. It's wrong when you don't support the companies your pirating from at all. Me, i pirate stuff that i once owned, but lost. Or, from companies i feel dont deserve the money. Sometimes i'll pirate something in theaters with every intent to buy it when it releases, which i do. It becomes wrong when any semblance of respect for the producers is lost. My friends all pirate like it's their right to do so. "Hey, want to go see that new movie?" "Nah, i'll stay home and torrent it for free." I don't say anything, but i dont participate.
What I find most interesting is that the same people that use the logic that piracy is wrong due to it "taking money away from the artist/creator" generally don't have the same issue with the secondary marketplace (think Gamestop, CD Tradepost, or online auction sites). Obviously piracy has a much larger scope since one copy purchased (or even zero copies really) can service thousands of people, but on a person by person basis each case takes exactly one sale away from the artist/creator.
The right to resell the physical medium of the copyrighted work is part of copyright law. As such the author never has a legal right to profit directly from the sale. When something is pirated the author has a legal right to profit from that duplication asn is denied it.
One has to understand that copyright law is a compromise. As a society we recognize that people who create Intellectual Property need to be given a right to profit from that work or else they do not have an incentive to continue to do so as a profession. On the other hand giving everyone an absolute ownership right over every idea they come up with is infeasible and counterproductive. So society gives authors limited rights to restrict how their Intellectual Property can be used. Fair Use and First Sale Doctrine are just some of the limitations put in as a counter balance.
As for photoshop, I run a small business doing technical illustrations. It's a huge business expense, but I can write it off on my taxes. Same for Illustrator and the rendering software. If you're just going to use it to make Magic card proxies or banners, maybe you should learn the GIMP interface and work with that. But Photoshop is the industry standard, and while I could have continued to use GIMP, I found my productivity increased when I was able to import files easily from one software to the next. Enough anyway to justify its cost.
In my senior year of high school I took some ******** graphics design class that used Photoshop. I downloaded a free trial the summer before and messed around with it (I say the class was ******** because I taught myself more during this trial than I learned in the class).
Ever since then I used the various versions of Photoshop installed on school computers for all of my graphic design needs. I like to make signatures, rudamentary as they are. I enjoy having advanced layer masking abilities for witty internet pictures. But I, personally, don't have the need to pay $500 - $600 for CS4, when CS5 probably isn't that far away. Then again, I don't have the need for most of the functions available in the software, but I'm still hooked on the interface.
And one does not learn the GIMP interface so much as the GIMP interface occasionally allows one to do various things while using the software.
ctrl-d = deselect, no matter how much GIMP tries to deny. It's also called free transform, not scale. The insanity!
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The right to resell the physical medium of the copyrighted work is part of copyright law. As such the author never has a legal right to profit directly from the sale. When something is pirated the author has a legal right to profit from that duplication asn is denied it.
One has to understand that copyright law is a compromise. As a society we recognize that people who create Intellectual Property need to be given a right to profit from that work or else they do not have an incentive to continue to do so as a profession. On the other hand giving everyone an absolute ownership right over every idea they come up with is infeasible and counterproductive. So society gives authors limited rights to restrict how their Intellectual Property can be used. Fair Use and First Sale Doctrine are just some of the limitations put in as a counter balance.
That's true, I guess I was just commenting that i think people need to have more of a reason to be against it than just "It takes money away from the artist" is all. That alone doesn't seem like a very solid argument to me, yet many times it winds up being the only one someone uses.
In my case, most of the music I listen to is Chinese, and it typically takes several months for the cds to end up in the legitimate Chinese music stores in LA. I could buy them from the streetside pirates in Chinatown, but I'm definitely not going to purchase something that got pirated rather than downloading it myself. And I'm definitely not paying the exorbitant shipping prices to have them sent from Taiwan.
Would I buy the cds if I could get them at the local Borders? Maybe. I do buy Chinese music CDs on occasion, when it's a singer or group that I really like. But with the difficulty of procuring them, combined with all the other normal complaints about buying CDs (most of the songs sucking, etc), it's much easier to download songs illegally.
I admit, I have no idea if the online music stores have a wide variety of Chinese music. My guess would be yes, but I have never checked, since there are a million web search engines based in China that let you download songs without needing to find torrents and such. I doubt, however, that these receive much business, since IFPI claims that 90% of all music in China is illegally obtained.
What I find most interesting is that the same people that use the logic that piracy is wrong due to it "taking money away from the artist/creator" generally don't have the same issue with the secondary marketplace (think Gamestop, CD Tradepost, or online auction sites).
The thing is if there was no secondary market, many people would be less willing to buy new things or only buy at lower prices, since they would no longer be able to offset the price by selling it later when they where done with it.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
Steam (AKA Valve) posted a nice article about software piracy and copy protection a bit ago - basically what they've come to find is that pricing as a whole on digital products are too high compared to the ease of piracy and the quality of said products as well as the high demand for digital distribution of said products.
Most people would rather have a legit copy of things and the right to get a backup quickly whenever they want, rather than having to worry about damaged CD's etc.
Or in a nutshell - more stuff like iTunes and Steam but with more aggressive pricing models/product variety.
(Anyone looking for the article, it was shortly after they did their 50% off sale on Left 4 Dead - which they announced as part of that as exceeding launch sales + preorders handedly)
Piracy is wrong. You might as well go shoplifting and rob bank. It's the same concept, but much easier to get away with. However, with the recent Pirate Bay case, you can get some fairly serious consequences if you do get caught.
Well since Pirate Bay is a search engine site I think that if it is closed then they should shut down every other search engine site like google, yahoo, altavista, etc... They also come up with results to pirated stuff.
They should also sue the creators of google and all other companies in that same line because they know that their products giving out links on how to pirate and giving you the ease to do so.
Plain stupid but since some companies have more influence (power) than others it doesn't happens. *looking at google and the government* (Hypocrites...)
We go ahead and do that and then the Internet becomes a private entity and we lose the only real free thing we had to express ourselves.
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As many of you know by know the founders of Pirate... and some other people are being charge on felonies for upholding certain site (don't know if I can say the name here :s).
I bring up the topic cause we know many people have infringe with copyright laws and the media and corporations keep pushing people to do so by making available so many utilities for doing so. I'm worried because if the governments keep pushing the topic we could be foreseeing the privatization of the Web in a near future.
I would like to have your opinion on this topic since this a site that in a way has past history on this topic.
- Lack of common sense is like the common flu.
Helping unknown people and getting flame by them.
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I'm confused... The media is making you steal?
This is very simple. Online piracy is theft. You can argue whether or not the laws regarding it require reforming, but it is still theft.
1) Whether you believe piracy is alright.
2) Whether you believe piracy isn't aright, but artists and software companies are charging more than their products are worth (I'm looking at you, Photoshop).
I'm with #2. I haven't pirated a song since Napster was cool and we all legitimately didn't know what we were doing was illegal.
Still, bands like Metallica really shouldn't have gotten their panties in a ruffle considering (I'm fairly sure) one could live off of concert sales alone, or at the very least $X a disc, where X isn't 15 - 18 (though these prices wouldn't really be feasible for smaller acts).
Photoshop, while a nice piece of software, isn't worth $600 considering the freeware available (the only qualms I have with GIMP is the interface). It's not alright to pirate these things, but damn, I can see the allure.
Though I'll put it in a small font.
Please stop hijacking my reply box.
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I tend to pirate something if I wouldn't have bought the product in the first place. Sometimes I delete the stuff afterwards if I don't like it, sometimes I buy the finished product.
When it comes to digital transfers, and this is going to sound like weirdly splitting hairs. You aren't taking anything away from the corporation, your just not giving them any more than they already have.
Thats the basic difference between bit torrent and shoplifting.
It really is.
My opinion: Its wrong for the same reasons as sneaking into a movie theater is wrong. You're not taking anything "away" from the movie theater in that case either.
That's actually the central argument of copyright. It was around when the issue was the printing of books without paying the authors royalties. It is what Charles Dickens and Mark Twain dealt with. When some printer in the 19th century printed and sold unauthorized copies of their works he was not taking anything physical from the authors either.
The big change with digital copyright violation is that it is mostly non-profit. With a for-profit copyright violator we can easily see that he/she is just a leech. They do not produce the work themselves but simply leech off it, repackage it and make a profit off it. With non-profit piracy we enter into the 'hippie' realm of 'information wants to be free' which skews people's perceptions.
The key issue of copyright is how do we compensate creative people for their work coming up with new art and ideas in a way that gives them incentive to continue while also allowing for a free flowing exchange of ideas that progress society.
So intangible things can be stolen? The greatest, most precious things in life that give meaning and value can be stolen? It sounds to me like that ECP. Intellectual property can be the greatest and only achievement of someone's life. Are you willing for all that time and effort to go to waste and unrecognized? That's what people do when they steal intellectual property.
What I'm against is those people in power controlling vital information for the development and/or progress of anyone.
- Lack of common sense is like the common flu.
Helping unknown people and getting flame by them.
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Wait! I thought we were talking about those guys from Solmalia that highjack oil tankers!
But seriously, in the case of oil companies and in the case of software and movie companies, I think it's refeshing when they get their comeuppance. Dump chemicals in the water, you deserve an occasionaly stolen oil tanker. Effectively censor films by creating the MPAA, and you deserve the occasional content to be stolen and put on YouTube. In either case, these bastards can afford it.
Famliy Guy Emperor Says,
"Something, something something, DARK SIDE!
Something, something, something COMPLETE!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHiUitciuJ8
:symrw::symrw::symrw::symrw::symrw::symrw:
SPIKE GAYMER: not just a beatdown, a beatdown sung to the tune of "I Feel Pretty"!
This is totally different as it is taking away sales/money. (people willing to buy the book but the authors don't get any money)
Where as many pirates say "they would not have bought the product in the first place" which if it where true(I doubt it) then there pirating wouldn't be hurting the company.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
I only buy CDs that I really like and know the band isn't going to miss their next meal because I didn't buy their CD.
Today however I got money, so I do buy more DVDs (it's looks better to have original DVD boxsets than bland CD towers) But there is still a lot of stuff I could never get my hand on legitimately (like subs of recent anime).
Now you can get online and get most songs you need (even the older nonvintage things) for 30 cents to a dollar each. The downside is that you have to be registered with a company who has your credit card on file for automatic payment. I found that that was a relatively small tradeoff for what amounts to $80-100 in music bought the old-fashioned way on CD or vinyl.
You can usually find links to legit sales of online music from your favorite bands' Myspace pages. I do everything I can to support this business model, because at least on the face of it, more money is going directly into the artists' pockets.
As for limiting a band's income to whatever it can make on live shows alone, imagine if you had to do that. What would your tour schedule be like? How much time would that leave you to write and rehearse new material?
As for photoshop, I run a small business doing technical illustrations. It's a huge business expense, but I can write it off on my taxes. Same for Illustrator and the rendering software. If you're just going to use it to make Magic card proxies or banners, maybe you should learn the GIMP interface and work with that. But Photoshop is the industry standard, and while I could have continued to use GIMP, I found my productivity increased when I was able to import files easily from one software to the next. Enough anyway to justify its cost.
When I clicked on this thread I was thinking the same thing. For a moment I thought he was going to provide a justification for actual piracy. That would have been awesome to read, even if morally unsettling.
I for one have the money to buy commodities like DVDs and music. I have every intention of supporting either the artist or the corporation that represents them.
However, as a computer scientist, I crave valuable information. If they aren't willing to hand it over for a reasonable price, or if they are unable to sell it, I will take it from them. This isn't always an immoral act. For instance, if I'm having to rework some old software from a company that went out of business or that refuses to provide legacy support, I will get the information I seek regardless of whether they wanted me to have it.
I recognize that intellectual property can be just as valuable as a tangible product and so I don't take the issue of piracy lightly.
But knowledge is power and so I abhor secrets. Those who hoard information to no practical end -those who are unwilling to use it - are unfit to possess it.
On an unrelated note, I really enjoy playing Blue. It's a color I'm very good with.
My LinkedIn profile... thing (I have one of those now!).
My research team's webpage.
The mtg-rnn repo and the mtg-encode repo.
(Since neither of you explicitly said so, please understand that I'm only quoting you to segue into this statement.)
What I find most interesting is that the same people that use the logic that piracy is wrong due to it "taking money away from the artist/creator" generally don't have the same issue with the secondary marketplace (think Gamestop, CD Tradepost, or online auction sites). Obviously piracy has a much larger scope since one copy purchased (or even zero copies really) can service thousands of people, but on a person by person basis each case takes exactly one sale away from the artist/creator.
Which is why I always tell people to buy good games new, to reward the company's product and encourage sequels be brouht here down the road.
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B Zombie Control U
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The right to resell the physical medium of the copyrighted work is part of copyright law. As such the author never has a legal right to profit directly from the sale. When something is pirated the author has a legal right to profit from that duplication asn is denied it.
One has to understand that copyright law is a compromise. As a society we recognize that people who create Intellectual Property need to be given a right to profit from that work or else they do not have an incentive to continue to do so as a profession. On the other hand giving everyone an absolute ownership right over every idea they come up with is infeasible and counterproductive. So society gives authors limited rights to restrict how their Intellectual Property can be used. Fair Use and First Sale Doctrine are just some of the limitations put in as a counter balance.
Ever since then I used the various versions of Photoshop installed on school computers for all of my graphic design needs. I like to make signatures, rudamentary as they are. I enjoy having advanced layer masking abilities for witty internet pictures. But I, personally, don't have the need to pay $500 - $600 for CS4, when CS5 probably isn't that far away. Then again, I don't have the need for most of the functions available in the software, but I'm still hooked on the interface.
And one does not learn the GIMP interface so much as the GIMP interface occasionally allows one to do various things while using the software.
ctrl-d = deselect, no matter how much GIMP tries to deny. It's also called free transform, not scale. The insanity!
Though I'll put it in a small font.
Please stop hijacking my reply box.
That's true, I guess I was just commenting that i think people need to have more of a reason to be against it than just "It takes money away from the artist" is all. That alone doesn't seem like a very solid argument to me, yet many times it winds up being the only one someone uses.
In my case, most of the music I listen to is Chinese, and it typically takes several months for the cds to end up in the legitimate Chinese music stores in LA. I could buy them from the streetside pirates in Chinatown, but I'm definitely not going to purchase something that got pirated rather than downloading it myself. And I'm definitely not paying the exorbitant shipping prices to have them sent from Taiwan.
Would I buy the cds if I could get them at the local Borders? Maybe. I do buy Chinese music CDs on occasion, when it's a singer or group that I really like. But with the difficulty of procuring them, combined with all the other normal complaints about buying CDs (most of the songs sucking, etc), it's much easier to download songs illegally.
I admit, I have no idea if the online music stores have a wide variety of Chinese music. My guess would be yes, but I have never checked, since there are a million web search engines based in China that let you download songs without needing to find torrents and such. I doubt, however, that these receive much business, since IFPI claims that 90% of all music in China is illegally obtained.
The thing is if there was no secondary market, many people would be less willing to buy new things or only buy at lower prices, since they would no longer be able to offset the price by selling it later when they where done with it.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
Most people would rather have a legit copy of things and the right to get a backup quickly whenever they want, rather than having to worry about damaged CD's etc.
Or in a nutshell - more stuff like iTunes and Steam but with more aggressive pricing models/product variety.
(Anyone looking for the article, it was shortly after they did their 50% off sale on Left 4 Dead - which they announced as part of that as exceeding launch sales + preorders handedly)
Re: People misusing the term Vanilla to describe a flying, unleash (sometimes trample) critter.
I'm not ignoring reality. They're the same forms of crime. Theft. Although they have different punishments, they are of the same basic concept.
They should also sue the creators of google and all other companies in that same line because they know that their products giving out links on how to pirate and giving you the ease to do so.
Plain stupid but since some companies have more influence (power) than others it doesn't happens. *looking at google and the government* (Hypocrites...)
We go ahead and do that and then the Internet becomes a private entity and we lose the only real free thing we had to express ourselves.
- Lack of common sense is like the common flu.
Helping unknown people and getting flame by them.
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