Yeah, but then the person who disarms him would have to reopen Dumbledore's tomb and get the Elder Wand to be able to use it. That person also would have to know where Harry put it, be seeking it, beat Harry (unlikely) and then go to Hogwarts and get it. Harry could simply disarm them to win it back.
Well, his dream of becoming Auror really wasn't because he had to kill Voldemort. True, that's why he considered it in the first place, but chasing down Dark Wizards and helping people, that's really more something that he wants to do. I doubt he'd decide to quit trying just because he beat Voldemort.
Of course, the argument about the Elder Wand is valid, but most people wouldn't even realize that he isn't still wielding it, or that he had placed it back in Dumbledore's Tomb. Plus, it's not like not becoming an Auror means he'd be safe. I'm sure plenty of Death Eaters would be more than eager to bump him off, especially since there's absolutely no doubt this time that he was the one responsible for Voldemort's death. I'd think that teaching DADA would be much more risky, too. Who knows when some random student would fluke an Expelliarmus.
And yeah, the ministry (and anyone else) would probably hire him on the spot, but he's more than aware that he's definitely not that talented in anything except dueling and flying, and being an Auror requires a lot more than fighting skill.
Well, his dream of becoming Auror really wasn't because he had to kill Voldemort. True, that's why he considered it in the first place, but chasing down Dark Wizards and helping people, that's really more something that he wants to do. I doubt he'd decide to quit trying just because he beat Voldemort.
Of course, the argument about the Elder Wand is valid, but most people wouldn't even realize that he isn't still wielding it, or that he had placed it back in Dumbledore's Tomb. Plus, it's not like not becoming an Auror means he'd be safe. I'm sure plenty of Death Eaters would be more than eager to bump him off, especially since there's absolutely no doubt this time that he was the one responsible for Voldemort's death. I'd think that teaching DADA would be much more risky, too. Who knows when some random student would fluke an Expelliarmus.
And yeah, the ministry (and anyone else) would probably hire him on the spot, but he's more than aware that he's definitely not that talented in anything except dueling and flying, and being an Auror requires a lot more than fighting skill.
And yes, this is just pointless discussion ;).
Personally, i just see him doing a job that's relaxing. I figure he'd enjoy helping George with Wheezley Wizards' wheezes, as he'd be among friends, relaxing and not doing anything serious. After all, he's set for life due to his own money and whatever money the ministry will give him in thanks.
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Yes, they'd have to go get it and all that, but if Harry's defeated, and someone defeats that person, and so on, someone may eventually be able to use the thing some day. If Harry is never defeated, nobody could ever claim ownership, and that's his intention.
Good point about accidents while teaching defense, so now I'm on the storyteller or Weasley's Wizard Wheezes line of thought. And yeah, he's always in danger, but there's no sense looking for it.
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My anecdotal evidence disagrees with yours! EXPLAIN THAT!
Has anyone ever seen anything in the books to explain where James Potter came up with a mountain of gold? I was waiting for this book to explain the mystery surrounding Harry's inheritance, and now i am still clueless...
And no, you can't nuke Hogwarts. The spells would protect from the impact, the radiation, everything. (Guns would work, because they're mechanical, not electric. Gunpowder and all that. Nukes, which have to recieve radio signals, wouldn't work.)
NO! What did I just say?!
Uh guys, Malfoy is the true owner of the Elder wand. It doesn't belong to Harry, nor is it in Dumbledore's tomb.
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Has anyone ever seen anything in the books to explain where James Potter came up with a mountain of gold? I was waiting for this book to explain the mystery surrounding Harry's inheritance, and now i am still clueless...
has Harry ever tried looking for his other relatives like grandparents and distant relatives? And James Potter never seem to be that important in the book is he or did i miss something?
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Uh guys, Malfoy is the true owner of the Elder wand. It doesn't belong to Harry, nor is it in Dumbledore's tomb.
Guess he was just a good saver. :xd:
The fight between Voldemort and Harry makes it pretty clear that, when Harry disarmed Malfoy during the scene at the mansion, the wand passed it's ownership on to him. I think you responded to the wrong post, also, as your response has nothing to do with what you quoted.
Actually, I think anyone who disarmed Harry would NOT get mastery over the Elder Wand, because Harry was weilding his phoenix-core wand. Only if one is defeated while using the Elder Wand would lose it. The reason that Harry was the master when he defeated Malfoy was because he actually took Malfoy's wand, and the Elder Wand recognized the wand that had defeated it. So, the secret to breaking the Elder Wand's power is not to use it.
Actually, I think anyone who disarmed Harry would NOT get mastery over the Elder Wand, because Harry was weilding his phoenix-core wand. Only if one is defeated while using the Elder Wand would lose it. The reason that Harry was the master when he defeated Malfoy was because he actually took Malfoy's wand, and the Elder Wand recognized the wand that had defeated it. So, the secret to breaking the Elder Wand's power is not to use it.
This is incorrect....Malfoy's original wand is taken from him by harry, and used throughout the book. NOT THE ELDER WAND (He didnt take it from dumbledore.) So, if someone was to disarm harry and take his regular wand from him, they would become the new master of the elder wand.
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just finished reading the book, between 2 exam days no less, and i have a few questions. im not quite sure how to use spoiler tags but i dont think the questions i'll ask are too spoiler-y anyway,just the answers i'll be getting probably. so here goes:
1) when harry was at "kings cross" talking with....that guy... what was that thing that kept whimpering? is it something symbolic im missing?
just finished reading the book, between 2 exam, days no less, and i have a few questions. im not quite sure how to use spoiler tags but i dont think the questions i'll ask are too spoiler-y anyway,just the answers i'll be getting probably. so here goes:
1) when harry was at "kings cross" talking with....that guy... what was that thing that kept whimpering? is it something symbolic im missing?
2) whose kid is victoire?
I spoilered them anyways for you. Im not sure about #1, but my guess for #2 would be
Bill and Fleur
, though I guess like #1 im not sure about that either.
just finished reading the book, between 2 exam, days no less, and i have a few questions. im not quite sure how to use spoiler tags but i dont think the questions i'll ask are too spoiler-y anyway,just the answers i'll be getting probably. so here goes:
1) when harry was at "kings cross" talking with....that guy... what was that thing that kept whimpering? is it something symbolic im missing?
2) whose kid is victoire?
That thing on the floor was the piece of voldemort's soul that had been inside harry.
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That thing on the floor was the piece of voldemort's soul that had been inside harry.
i think that the skinned child in the corner wasn't the piece of Harry i think it was Voldemort himself because when Harry tried to help it Dumbeldore said that he is "beyond help" or something like that.
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Finished it on the day-of, didn't see this discussion 'til now, and would like to bring up:
... to C.S. (Lewis). It warmed my heart that Rowling carried through with the Christ allegory. Harry willingly sacrificing himself for the good of all, then "came back to life" to defeat the evil threatening to overtake the world. All those who hated on this series need to give it a try; it's unlike anything else in modern fiction, and will reign supreme with the other greats of our time.
Hagrid jumping off the bike - Yes, at first there was dread, as I was really scared that he might die so soon, but I love Hagrid to death in this series. Blindly loyal and true to his word. Such a great character.
It also indicated how much action we were going to be seeing in the book.
Apparition was exploited, and at first I was a little skeptical that this was just to easy to write, but I was sure glad they could apparate out of Malfoy Mansion!
Aww, poor Dobby. Such a much worse death than Hedwig to deal with (Mad-Eye ranks in as last on my list. That's what he said he meant to do when he joined the Order.) Remus I saw coming after Pettigrew had die - JK was going to both write out all of Padfoot, Moony, Wormtail, and Prongs, and also leave Harry as the godfather that Sirius could have been.
First of all, it was simply the best way to finish the seventh year. An epic battle at Hogwarts with all the right characters showing up (even if the supporting cast lacked through most of this book. On an even further sidenote, I really liked the Shell Cottage portions.) This book had to return to Hogwarts - it would have been so wrong without the school.
Honoring Snape was the right thing to do, even if he was borderline creepy in love with Lily. "King's Cross" blew my mind for a while. Good chapter.
The Malfoys showing their true colors was meaningful, I thought. Lucius had been trying to drift away from Voldemort for a long time now, and Narcissa's love for her son was very ironic in Voldemort's demise. The sequence of events from the time that Hagrid lay Harry at Voldemort's feet was just EPIC. Great finish.
"Nineteen Years Later" - ok, yes a little cheesy. But this series was all about me reading to enjoy some other universe where people were magic and that good triumphed evil. I have no real qualms about the way that was written, although plotwise I still wish Harry and Cho were together in the end (and that the Ginny angle was never in play. [/shrug]) And enjoy it I did.
#1 was like Voldemort when he had his "rudimentary body" in book 4 before restoring himself. I think.
Some things were left open...off the top of my head...
Mrs. Figg
Who does magic later in life?
Why do ghosts become so?
What's behind the locked door @ the department of mysteries?
What about the veil?
Finished it on the day-of, didn't see this discussion 'til now, and would like to bring up:
... to C.S. (Lewis). It warmed my heart that Rowling carried through with the Christ allegory. Harry willingly sacrificing himself for the good of all, then "came back to life" to defeat the evil threatening to overtake the world. All those who hated on this series need to give it a try; it's unlike anything else in modern fiction, and will reign supreme with the other greats of our time.
Good point. I noticed the Christ allegory (especially when Harry pretty much said "Yeah I'm like Jesus II"... how since he died his love was protecting everyone from Voldemort's dark magic. I didn't think of C.S. Lewis but now that you mention it... he wrote a seven book series as well, didn't he... and apparently (*ahem*Wikipedia) it's based on the seven deadly sins? I don't want to find patterns where none exist, but especially given that King's Cross Purgatorio is it that much of an allegory? AND there were seven Horcruxes... dayum.
Diary -- Envy (Chamber of Secrets)
Ring -- Wrath (Going against the laws of Death)
Locket -- Lust ("Hermione doesn't love you, Ron!")
Cup -- Gluttony (? Aside from Helga Hufflepuff being overweight?)
Diadem -- Greed (All the wisdom in the world... also Ravenclaw's daughter stole it.)
Nagini -- Sloth (Snake?)
Harry -- Pride (He has to humble himself to accept death.)
This is pure speculation.
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One question is bothering me....what on earth happens in between Books IV and V when snape comes back?
Lets look at the timeline.
1. Snape is a death eater.
2. Snape hears that Voldy is goin to kill lilly, runs to dumbledore, becomes a double agent.
3. Voldy dies, Snape agrees to help raise harry.
4. Snape hinders Quirrell/voldy from getting the stone in book I.
Now, Book IV happens, and voldemort knows snape is now close with dumbledore, and has not been helpful in book I. So how does snape go to voldemort and suggest to voldy that he can be a double agent working truly for voldemort?
Seriously? Think about it, what's he go, "Oh , after you died i got chummy with dumbledore by pretendin i was betraying you back then, but i wasnt, really!"
How on earth does voldemort trust him so much in the end, ti doesnt make sense!!
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Considering how much effort was put into making no reference to anything remotely religious in this book, I find it unlikely that Rowlings had Christ in mind when she had Harry come back to life. That was just the only way that Harry could be the last Horcrux(and it was fairly obvious that this was going to be the case) and that he could still live somehow. I think that the comparison with the 7 deadly sins is also reaching. You can always find relationships/symbology if you look hard enough.
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Of course, the argument about the Elder Wand is valid, but most people wouldn't even realize that he isn't still wielding it, or that he had placed it back in Dumbledore's Tomb. Plus, it's not like not becoming an Auror means he'd be safe. I'm sure plenty of Death Eaters would be more than eager to bump him off, especially since there's absolutely no doubt this time that he was the one responsible for Voldemort's death. I'd think that teaching DADA would be much more risky, too. Who knows when some random student would fluke an Expelliarmus.
And yeah, the ministry (and anyone else) would probably hire him on the spot, but he's more than aware that he's definitely not that talented in anything except dueling and flying, and being an Auror requires a lot more than fighting skill.
Personally, i just see him doing a job that's relaxing. I figure he'd enjoy helping George with Wheezley Wizards' wheezes, as he'd be among friends, relaxing and not doing anything serious. After all, he's set for life due to his own money and whatever money the ministry will give him in thanks.
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Good point about accidents while teaching defense, so now I'm on the storyteller or Weasley's Wizard Wheezes line of thought. And yeah, he's always in danger, but there's no sense looking for it.
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NO! What did I just say?!
Guess he was just a good saver. :xd:
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The fight between Voldemort and Harry makes it pretty clear that, when Harry disarmed Malfoy during the scene at the mansion, the wand passed it's ownership on to him. I think you responded to the wrong post, also, as your response has nothing to do with what you quoted.
This is incorrect....Malfoy's original wand is taken from him by harry, and used throughout the book. NOT THE ELDER WAND (He didnt take it from dumbledore.) So, if someone was to disarm harry and take his regular wand from him, they would become the new master of the elder wand.
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1) when harry was at "kings cross" talking with....that guy... what was that thing that kept whimpering? is it something symbolic im missing?
2) whose kid is victoire?
I spoilered them anyways for you. Im not sure about #1, but my guess for #2 would be
That thing on the floor was the piece of voldemort's soul that had been inside harry.
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It also indicated how much action we were going to be seeing in the book.
Aww, poor Dobby. Such a much worse death than Hedwig to deal with (Mad-Eye ranks in as last on my list. That's what he said he meant to do when he joined the Order.) Remus I saw coming after Pettigrew had die - JK was going to both write out all of Padfoot, Moony, Wormtail, and Prongs, and also leave Harry as the godfather that Sirius could have been.
Honoring Snape was the right thing to do, even if he was borderline creepy in love with Lily. "King's Cross" blew my mind for a while. Good chapter.
The Malfoys showing their true colors was meaningful, I thought. Lucius had been trying to drift away from Voldemort for a long time now, and Narcissa's love for her son was very ironic in Voldemort's demise. The sequence of events from the time that Hagrid lay Harry at Voldemort's feet was just EPIC. Great finish.
"Nineteen Years Later" - ok, yes a little cheesy. But this series was all about me reading to enjoy some other universe where people were magic and that good triumphed evil. I have no real qualms about the way that was written, although plotwise I still wish Harry and Cho were together in the end (and that the Ginny angle was never in play. [/shrug]) And enjoy it I did.
Some things were left open...off the top of my head...
Mrs. Figg
Who does magic later in life?
Why do ghosts become so?
What's behind the locked door @ the department of mysteries?
What about the veil?
Diary -- Envy (Chamber of Secrets)
Ring -- Wrath (Going against the laws of Death)
Locket -- Lust ("Hermione doesn't love you, Ron!")
Cup -- Gluttony (? Aside from Helga Hufflepuff being overweight?)
Diadem -- Greed (All the wisdom in the world... also Ravenclaw's daughter stole it.)
Nagini -- Sloth (Snake?)
Harry -- Pride (He has to humble himself to accept death.)
This is pure speculation.
Very Well Then I Contradict Myself.
One question is bothering me....what on earth happens in between Books IV and V when snape comes back?
Lets look at the timeline.
1. Snape is a death eater.
2. Snape hears that Voldy is goin to kill lilly, runs to dumbledore, becomes a double agent.
3. Voldy dies, Snape agrees to help raise harry.
4. Snape hinders Quirrell/voldy from getting the stone in book I.
Now, Book IV happens, and voldemort knows snape is now close with dumbledore, and has not been helpful in book I. So how does snape go to voldemort and suggest to voldy that he can be a double agent working truly for voldemort?
Seriously? Think about it, what's he go, "Oh , after you died i got chummy with dumbledore by pretendin i was betraying you back then, but i wasnt, really!"
How on earth does voldemort trust him so much in the end, ti doesnt make sense!!
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