I personally think that football was intended to be a cold weather game, and thus should be played in cold weather cities. By removing these cities from the mix, we lose out on playing the biggest game of the year in some of the most historic stadiums in the NFL, such as Lambeau, Soldier, and Arrowhead. If the sport was to be a warm weather game, then the men who created the NFL (George Halas, Curly Lambeau, etc.) would have done so, and carried on the tradition (Halas lived until the mid 80s, so he had the capability to change the schedule at any time).
I kind of agree with you. I don't have a problem with the Super Bowl occasional being held in indoor or warm weather stadiums but I think it should also be held in some of the stadiums you mentioned. It is just part of the game, and I don't think they can just ignore that aspect of it. Personally I like those snowy, rainy games better...they just seem to be more enjoyable, although that is not always the case. The game was originally intended to be a cold weather game and they should keep that way the best they can. Having every Super Bowl in some controlled climate just takes away from it, if you ask me.
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Yes, but it will never happen. The Super Bowl isnt for the typical fan. Its for corporate bigwigs, athletes, and Hollywood. Real fans would sit through any weather. Mr Pretentious and wife arent paying 50 grand to sit in the snow, cold, or rain.
Then of course there's always the argument that bad weather conditions give "run first" teams an advantage. There may be a sliver of truth to this but weather is still part of the game. Teams should have to make adjustments accordingly
I think the league would rather preserve its players than let them break themselves in a Super Bowl. Saying the game is all weather is great, putting the Super Bowl outside in Minnesota is not.
On top of that, most bad weather games blow. They're just terrible, especially in the NFL. The occasional game is historic, but it's usually just a couple key plays - and even then it has to be romanticized.
Besides, I don't want to hear the fan wars coming from bad weather Super Bowls. It's bad enough to hear officiating complaints all year long.
Geez, if you don't want games in the snow and cold, why don't you just play the football season in the summer? It's what baseball does, and it seems to work pretty well for them.
Or you could just man up and play football like it's meant to be played, crybaby.
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This guy really did nothing to argue his case. It was basically "wow, weather in Dallas sucks right now, let's totally change NFL policy."
All of this "the game was never meant to be played in cold weather" is stating opinion as fact with no evidence whatsoever to back it up.
He didn't even take the argument I was actually expecting, that of "teams from the north have an advantage in cold weather." It was really just "the logistics of the Super Bowl are incompatible with cold weather."
To which my argument is more or less the same as Blinking Spirit's... if you don't want your game to be in cold weather DON'T HOLD IT IN FEBRUARY.
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Really I think the game should be played in cold weather stadiums. I think this for a couple of reasons:
1. It levels the playing field. Dome and Warm weather stadiums usually favor passing teams. Cold weather usually favors run teams. So you are automatically giving an advantage to pass teams and teams that are built for domes, which is unfair in my opinion given that their are plenty of cold weather teams.
2. Football is a winter sport. Not a summer sport. If it was we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
3. Some of the most historic stadiums are in cold weather, such as Lambeau.
4. Most of the people that go to the Super Bowl are football fans. In football there are no fair weather fans... well their shouldn't be anyways.
5. Most winter cities are able to easily handle anything outside of a 100 year blizzard (which Chicago currently has), so their would be little to no weather problems.
I think the main thing is though that I think it creates an unfair advantage to teams designed for warm weather and domes in terms of weather conditions and doesn't allow cold weather teams to take advantage of the way they were built.
My suggestion is a rotation of dome, cold weather, warm weather.
You guys need to think about weather more critically that just say "cold favors run heavy".
Cold:
Sunny -> Favors passing. Hands can be kept warm, but runners will take a horrendous beating on the field.
Snow -> Favors defense. The offense can't do much of anything, and neither can special teams. Forcing turnovers in slippery, cold weather is pretty much how anything gets done.
Sleet -> Horrible, boring games unilaterally. Nothing can be done in sleet/ice storms.
Warm:
Sunny -> Favors passing. Pretty obvious, but this way runners will usually perform better than in cold.
Rain -> Favors running. In a rainy game short passes and running game wins the game hands down.
Universal:
Windy: Really windy games suck. The wind will often drag the game out as it changes direction and strength and teams try to time their offense and special teams to combat it.
It's not a situation that can easily be brushed off by saying "cold favors running games", especially considering how much runners have to be rotated in the cold. If anything, it really highlights the coaching strategy for games and training.
I will also maintain that fans will overall react worse to Super bowls with weather as their team loses because of wind/rain/snow/sleet/etc.
I think they should allow "cold-weather" cities to host the Super Bowl. Most great football stories occurred in the so-called "cold-weather" cities. Green Bay, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Minnesota...all of these teams have had long traditions. So why not allow those traditions to play into the biggest game of them all? Plus, I'd personally love to see something like a Chargers/Saints Super Bowl being played at Soldier Field.
Will it happen though? No. Never. Like all the rules that are being constantly added to "protect the players", football is being pussified. Nothing says that more than the rescheduling of one of the games with playoff implications this last season after ONE ☺☺☺☺ING INCH of snow fell. Can't have anything happening to our money players, after all.
So, should it? Undoubtedly. Will it? Never.
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You guys need to think about weather more critically that just say "cold favors run heavy".
Don't take it at face value. I was just giving an example in terms of how weather can affect certain aspects of the game ( I was just too lazy at the time to go in depth like you did)
There really is no logical argument in my opinion for not having cold-weather Super Bowls. The people who are paying the $100,000 for a box aren't going to be outside, they'll be nice and cozy warm in the press box. And those of us who are true fans of the game will love being out there in the cold watching our team battle it out for the most important piece of silver in sports. Personally, one of my dreams is to go to a Chiefs game at Arrowhead in a snow storm.
As for the argument that the cold favors a specific type of offense, more specifically a run-based attack, this is an absolute load of malarkey. Case in point, the 2010 Green Bay Packers. Their entire offense is predicated on attacking the seams and the hole between the hook/curl zone and the deep third. And one of the most powerful rushing offenses in the league was a warm weather team (the Oakland Raiders).
There really is no logical argument in my opinion for not having cold-weather Super Bowls. The people who are paying the $100,000 for a box aren't going to be outside, they'll be nice and cozy warm in the press box. And those of us who are true fans of the game will love being out there in the cold watching our team battle it out for the most important piece of silver in sports.
Not everyone with money is going to be in a box. And those "true fans" that are lucky enough to score tickets will be sitting in the nosebleed sets.
As for the argument that the cold favors a specific type of offense, more specifically a run-based attack, this is an absolute load of malarkey. Case in point, the 2010 Green Bay Packers. Their entire offense is predicated on attacking the seams and the hole between the hook/curl zone and the deep third. And one of the most powerful rushing offenses in the league was a warm weather team (the Oakland Raiders).
Sorry, but you're off base. Cold weather makes the ball harder to catch. Colder weather is typically accompanied by wind which makes it difficult to throw. In the event of snow, a wet ball is more difficult to throw. You cant possibly think that weather has no effect on the game. And no one is arguing that warm weather teams cant have a good run game so your point about Oakland is irrelevant.
I don't really understand the tradition dynamic that everyone is talking about. There were superbowls played at Lambeau and Soldier field many years ago. That's great, but that doesn't impact this years superbowl, or next year. I couldn't care less. That, and I'd rather watch a good game rather than a sloppy game. If neither team can really move the ball effectively and the is a 3-and-out-fest, than that is really boring. I guess a rotation wouldn't be bad if it consisted of dome, cold weather, warm weather, but if it comes down to having the best game to watch I think you will have the best chance of it in warm weather.
Sorry, but you're off base. Cold weather makes the ball harder to catch. Colder weather is typically accompanied by wind which makes it difficult to throw. In the event of snow, a wet ball is more difficult to throw. You cant possibly think that weather has no effect on the game. And no one is arguing that warm weather teams cant have a good run game so your point about Oakland is irrelevant.
Have you ever played in 0 degree temps? As someone with that experience, I can assure you that cold weather does not make the ball harder to catch, it simply makes the ball harder. And with gloves, it makes no difference. As for snow games, I don't see how that is relevant either. No one can do anything as well in the snow. Its harder to run, throw, catch, kick, cut and just about every other football action besides blocking and tackling. And as Vince Lombardi once said "Some people try to find things in this game that don't exist but football is only two things - blocking and tackling." So, what is stopping us from playing the biggest football game every year in the cold?
Weather is one of the things that makes this game great. Its not about whether or not the weather will cause problems for an offense (which makes me sad really. Defense is where its at), its about whether or not a team can overcome that adversity. Football isn't a game for the faint of heart or weak of body. In my humble opinion, if you aren't man enough to stand up to the cold, then you don't deserve football. I'll gladly take your ticket and you can stay at home and watch commercials
I want more cities to have the economic impact of the Super Bowl. Stadiums aren't cheap, and Dallas isn't exactly a recoiling area. Let Detroit have it or some other economically depressed area that could use a major infusion of cash.
Much of the success owes itself to men that had a "share the wealth" philosophy to make for a competitive system with the addition of the draft. It's in part why football has eclipsed baseball as our pass time, you never know who might come out of the woodwork to win a Bowl every few years. However, with baseball it's a bit easy as you know the Yankees are always going to be close by fiat of their money.
Football is in a good situation now, but there needs to be some more evening out of the system when it comes to hosting games. Hopefully next year with the potential strike and the like won't crush the system we have, we don't need another baseballisque fiasco. I don't want us becoming a soccer nation.
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We just had it here in Detroit for SB 40. But, I am getting sick of seeing Tampa Bay and Miami always getting it.
How often has San Diego, Oakland, or San Fran had it? I don't really recall any being there in quite some time. Hell, even Kansas City won't be that bad weather wise. KC probably more of a coin flip though.
We just had it here in Detroit for SB 40. But, I am getting sick of seeing Tampa Bay and Miami always getting it.
How often has San Diego, Oakland, or San Fran had it? I don't really recall any being there in quite some time. Hell, even Kansas City won't be that bad weather wise. KC probably more of a coin flip though.
San Francisco and Oakland have never hosted the Super Bowl, but nearby Stanford has. Southern California has been well represented: between Los Angeles, Pasadena (Rose Bowl), and San Diego, the Super Bowl was in the southern half of California ten different times.
The first time the Super Bowl will be a cold-weather location with no dome is three years from now: Super Bowl XLVIII will be in the Meadowlands.
KC was actually in the running to get the 2012 Super Bowl for a long time, with the stipulation that the Hunt's enclose the stadium, which is why they did the stadium remodel (extremely well done by the way. I've been to the new Arrowhead, and it is amazing. The best place in football to watch a game). The original plans had the stadium being enclosed by the equivalent of a greenhouse, but cost was an issue, so the Chiefs didn't enclose the stadium and therefore lost the bid. Its good to see that the Meadowlands got their bid, because now it opens up the possibility of playing in other large-market, cold weather areas such as Chicago, which really deserves a Super Bowl. I mean, its only the birth place of professional football and the NFL
I've never seen any good argument in favor of only playing in the warm weather. I, personally, would love to see a Super Bowl in the snow. I mean, they play the AFC and NFC championship games in the snow sometimes, why not the Super Bowl?
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Why is everyone acting like there "will never be" cold weather Superbowls again? They just scheduled a cold weather Superbowl for the first time in years.
New York/New Jersey is COLD in February. Maybe not a cold weather area overall, but definitely cold in Feb. This will open the door for Superbowls in Soldier and Lambeau, which is just the way it should be. I'm thankful for Johnson, Mara and Tisch for setting this up, not just to see the SB around here but also for the future. Like I said, would be nice to see it in Chicago, Green Bay, etc.
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So, should the Super Bowl be played in cold weather cities?
The author of this article (found here) says no.
I personally think that football was intended to be a cold weather game, and thus should be played in cold weather cities. By removing these cities from the mix, we lose out on playing the biggest game of the year in some of the most historic stadiums in the NFL, such as Lambeau, Soldier, and Arrowhead. If the sport was to be a warm weather game, then the men who created the NFL (George Halas, Curly Lambeau, etc.) would have done so, and carried on the tradition (Halas lived until the mid 80s, so he had the capability to change the schedule at any time).
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Then of course there's always the argument that bad weather conditions give "run first" teams an advantage. There may be a sliver of truth to this but weather is still part of the game. Teams should have to make adjustments accordingly
On top of that, most bad weather games blow. They're just terrible, especially in the NFL. The occasional game is historic, but it's usually just a couple key plays - and even then it has to be romanticized.
Besides, I don't want to hear the fan wars coming from bad weather Super Bowls. It's bad enough to hear officiating complaints all year long.
I'm going on record to say that would be awesome. Of course, Vegas would be awesome too.
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The article is terrible, and cold weather cities are fine if they are indoor stadiums. It's outdoor that is an issue.
Or you could just man up and play football like it's meant to be played, crybaby.
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All of this "the game was never meant to be played in cold weather" is stating opinion as fact with no evidence whatsoever to back it up.
He didn't even take the argument I was actually expecting, that of "teams from the north have an advantage in cold weather." It was really just "the logistics of the Super Bowl are incompatible with cold weather."
To which my argument is more or less the same as Blinking Spirit's... if you don't want your game to be in cold weather DON'T HOLD IT IN FEBRUARY.
1. It levels the playing field. Dome and Warm weather stadiums usually favor passing teams. Cold weather usually favors run teams. So you are automatically giving an advantage to pass teams and teams that are built for domes, which is unfair in my opinion given that their are plenty of cold weather teams.
2. Football is a winter sport. Not a summer sport. If it was we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
3. Some of the most historic stadiums are in cold weather, such as Lambeau.
4. Most of the people that go to the Super Bowl are football fans. In football there are no fair weather fans... well their shouldn't be anyways.
5. Most winter cities are able to easily handle anything outside of a 100 year blizzard (which Chicago currently has), so their would be little to no weather problems.
I think the main thing is though that I think it creates an unfair advantage to teams designed for warm weather and domes in terms of weather conditions and doesn't allow cold weather teams to take advantage of the way they were built.
My suggestion is a rotation of dome, cold weather, warm weather.
Cold:
Sunny -> Favors passing. Hands can be kept warm, but runners will take a horrendous beating on the field.
Snow -> Favors defense. The offense can't do much of anything, and neither can special teams. Forcing turnovers in slippery, cold weather is pretty much how anything gets done.
Sleet -> Horrible, boring games unilaterally. Nothing can be done in sleet/ice storms.
Warm:
Sunny -> Favors passing. Pretty obvious, but this way runners will usually perform better than in cold.
Rain -> Favors running. In a rainy game short passes and running game wins the game hands down.
Universal:
Windy: Really windy games suck. The wind will often drag the game out as it changes direction and strength and teams try to time their offense and special teams to combat it.
It's not a situation that can easily be brushed off by saying "cold favors running games", especially considering how much runners have to be rotated in the cold. If anything, it really highlights the coaching strategy for games and training.
I will also maintain that fans will overall react worse to Super bowls with weather as their team loses because of wind/rain/snow/sleet/etc.
Will it happen though? No. Never. Like all the rules that are being constantly added to "protect the players", football is being pussified. Nothing says that more than the rescheduling of one of the games with playoff implications this last season after ONE ☺☺☺☺ING INCH of snow fell. Can't have anything happening to our money players, after all.
So, should it? Undoubtedly. Will it? Never.
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Don't take it at face value. I was just giving an example in terms of how weather can affect certain aspects of the game ( I was just too lazy at the time to go in depth like you did)
As for the argument that the cold favors a specific type of offense, more specifically a run-based attack, this is an absolute load of malarkey. Case in point, the 2010 Green Bay Packers. Their entire offense is predicated on attacking the seams and the hole between the hook/curl zone and the deep third. And one of the most powerful rushing offenses in the league was a warm weather team (the Oakland Raiders).
This. I can't even explain just how epic this is.
Sorry, but you're off base. Cold weather makes the ball harder to catch. Colder weather is typically accompanied by wind which makes it difficult to throw. In the event of snow, a wet ball is more difficult to throw. You cant possibly think that weather has no effect on the game. And no one is arguing that warm weather teams cant have a good run game so your point about Oakland is irrelevant.
Have you ever played in 0 degree temps? As someone with that experience, I can assure you that cold weather does not make the ball harder to catch, it simply makes the ball harder. And with gloves, it makes no difference. As for snow games, I don't see how that is relevant either. No one can do anything as well in the snow. Its harder to run, throw, catch, kick, cut and just about every other football action besides blocking and tackling. And as Vince Lombardi once said "Some people try to find things in this game that don't exist but football is only two things - blocking and tackling." So, what is stopping us from playing the biggest football game every year in the cold?
Weather is one of the things that makes this game great. Its not about whether or not the weather will cause problems for an offense (which makes me sad really. Defense is where its at), its about whether or not a team can overcome that adversity. Football isn't a game for the faint of heart or weak of body. In my humble opinion, if you aren't man enough to stand up to the cold, then you don't deserve football. I'll gladly take your ticket and you can stay at home and watch commercials
Much of the success owes itself to men that had a "share the wealth" philosophy to make for a competitive system with the addition of the draft. It's in part why football has eclipsed baseball as our pass time, you never know who might come out of the woodwork to win a Bowl every few years. However, with baseball it's a bit easy as you know the Yankees are always going to be close by fiat of their money.
Football is in a good situation now, but there needs to be some more evening out of the system when it comes to hosting games. Hopefully next year with the potential strike and the like won't crush the system we have, we don't need another baseballisque fiasco. I don't want us becoming a soccer nation.
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How often has San Diego, Oakland, or San Fran had it? I don't really recall any being there in quite some time. Hell, even Kansas City won't be that bad weather wise. KC probably more of a coin flip though.
San Francisco and Oakland have never hosted the Super Bowl, but nearby Stanford has. Southern California has been well represented: between Los Angeles, Pasadena (Rose Bowl), and San Diego, the Super Bowl was in the southern half of California ten different times.
The first time the Super Bowl will be a cold-weather location with no dome is three years from now: Super Bowl XLVIII will be in the Meadowlands.
New York/New Jersey is COLD in February. Maybe not a cold weather area overall, but definitely cold in Feb. This will open the door for Superbowls in Soldier and Lambeau, which is just the way it should be. I'm thankful for Johnson, Mara and Tisch for setting this up, not just to see the SB around here but also for the future. Like I said, would be nice to see it in Chicago, Green Bay, etc.