MTG Salvation

Quote from twicky_kid

MBC is far and away the best mono color deck. It also has the only board wipe. Crypt Ghast > Griselbrand is way over the top of anything another mono color decks can do.

Gloom Surgeon and Nighthawk can slow down the aggro decks. If you resolve Griselbrand vs aggro they just lose on the spot.

If you make it to turn 8, they probably already lost.

Looks like there's going to be a fair amount of white weenie and possibly mono green aggro....MBC just keeps looking better.

I dont know about building a MBC right now. Liliana is a must , and doesnt look like a good time to buy it for 47 bucks.

Geralfs messenger looks good in the deck , even better with mutilate.

Quote from rpm88

I dont know about building a MBC right now. Liliana is a must , and doesnt look like a good time to buy it for 47 bucks.

I do not think she is a must. The cards that her +1 work best with are all multicolored.
I would probably prefer Liliana of the Dark Realms in over Liliana of the Veil in a MBC deck, since she helps pump mutilate, has targeted removal, and thins the deck.

Ooo man I'd go Mono-G.

It had removal in many relevant areas: Plummet, Bramblecrush, some fight spells.

Arbor Elf
Strangle-root Geist
Predator Ooze
Rancor
Wild Defiance
Wolfir Silverheart
Vorapede

Ranger's Guile
Sheltering Word
Mending Touch

Such good to be had.

Quote from hajile

If you make it to turn 8, they probably already lost.

Griselbrand comes down on turn 5. Good luck killing him with anything that is mono colored.

Quote from twicky_kid

Griselbrand comes down on turn 5. Good luck killing him with anything that is mono colored.

ultimate price does the trick, as does plummet

Quote from Doug4130

ultimate price does the trick, as does plummet

2 Wholes answers. I think I'll take that. GoST had 2 answers during SOM-INN and he was a boss because of it.

Not to mention that most people will be on white weenie, mono green, or rdw, and I doubt many of them will have good answers.

Quote from twicky_kid

2 Wholes answers. I think I'll take that. GoST had 2 answers during SOM-INN and he was a boss because of it.

those were 2 examples. There are dozens of cards in standard right now that can kill him. Of those, many are playable and in the colours the guy above me mentioned. Not including counterspells; fiend hunter, oblivion ring, bone splinters, murder, rapid hybridization, clone, victim of night, angel of serenity all deal with him and could easily see play in a tourney like the one the OP is talking about.

geist is harder to answer because it has hexproof.

Quote from TBuzzsaw

There was that one mono black vamps that won MTGO daily a month ago. I would just adjust it for a full set of Ultimate Price or use some Gloom Surgeon. Gloom Surgeon will be almost totally safe and will be asking for removals while Nocturnus, Nighthawk, and Keeper and stay safe.

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Creatures: 14 3 Blood Artist 4 Bloodline Keeper 4 Vampire Nighthawk 3 Vampire Nocturnus Spells: 21 2 Devour Flesh 4 Mutilate 4 Sign in Blood 3 Staff of Nin 2 Tragic Slip 2 Tribute to Hunger 2 Ultimate Price 2 Victim of Night	Lands: 25 25 Swamp	SIDEBOARD 2 Cremate 4 Duress 3 Human Frailty 2 Pithing Needle 2 Tormod's Crypt 2 Underworld Connections

What do you guys think of this list? It doesn't seem like getting a hold of griselbrands will happen, and this seems like a good alternative.

I've always liked aggro with a twist, and I dig what aristocrats does in standard.

So I bring you - monoblack *aggro*!



I haven't tested it yet, but I did a lot with BR zombies shortly after rotation. This should be able to go the straight up aggro route on a good hand, but it's more often going to play an almost combo-ish game of sac outlet - sac crawler, make demon, or etc. There's a lot of lines of play mainboard, and that's what you're going to want going into a largely unknown metagame. You have 8 cards that get better when something of yours dies, and you have 8 cards that are either sac outlets or board sweeps, and two of those sac outlets can net you a ton of card advantage.

I've always liked the messenger -> disciple line of play. +3 CA, +3 life, your opponent loses 2 life and you now have a 4/3 beater? You can then chain that into a high priest activation, and so on and so forth.

Sideboard...human frailty eats white weenie for lunch, as does the extra mutilate. Nighthawk and Crypt Incursion give you game against faster aggro decks. Connections and lili give MBC a hard time doing anything worthwhile. And I really, really like Bloodline Keeper in any matchup with a clogged boardstate (use your discretion here)

I wish my LGS did fun **** like this :c

I like it. I currently have a vamps list in the works as well, and I'm definitely sb'ing some crypt incursions for the rdw matchups. And yes, my LGS does all sorts of fun formats, last week was pauper standard.

Quote from imaginarypuppets

What do you guys think of this list? It doesn't seem like getting a hold of griselbrands will happen, and this seems like a good alternative.

I piloted a slightly altered BR version of it and it tramples over all the aggro decks I played against. I've played against RDW and Mono Green and they don't stand a chance. I'm assuming most people will be running those two over White Weenies or Mono Blue.

Red/Green/White can all be treated just about the same strategy wise, so you can save your sideboard for mirror matches or against blue. Cavern of Souls will cripple Blue, while Duress, Liliana of the Veil, and Pithing Needle seals the deal with any sort of control shells.

Some mono color decks are pretty strong right now. With MBC you would not only want Liliana of the Veil but also Staff of Nin and Trading Post. Lily at under $50 now is a steal as she will go up once she rotates as she is a multi-format card.

However Mono Green may be a way to go. You can even call it "Green Cards"...which is funny in and of itself.

Quote from Doug4130

those were 2 examples. There are dozens of cards in standard right now that can kill him. Of those, many are playable and in the colours the guy above me mentioned. Not including counterspells; fiend hunter, oblivion ring, bone splinters, murder, rapid hybridization, clone, victim of night, angel of serenity all deal with him and could easily see play in a tourney like the one the OP is talking about.

geist is harder to answer because it has hexproof.

I think you are missing the point. If you point anything at griselbrand he is going to draw 7 usually into another one. Gives you a full grip to extort from also.

This is my side/casual deck next to my esper and I've run it in regular tourneys with great success.

24 swamps

4 blood artists
4 vampire nighthawks
4 crypt ghasts
3 blood gift demons
2 griselbrand

4 murder/ultimate price
4 victim of night
3 sign in blood
4 mutilate
2 liliana of the dark realms
2 staff of nin

Anything except blue. In fact that goes for multicolored decks too.

Quote from twicky_kid

Griselbrand comes down on turn 5. Good luck killing him with anything that is mono colored.

Red is the only mono color that can't kill t5 grislebrand

Off the top of my head

Black:
Ultimate Price
Murder
Victim of Night
Barter in blood
Launch Party

White:
Pacifism
Bonds of faith
Arrest

Green:
Plummet
Aerial Predation


Blue:
Counters
Rapid hybridization

You are going to to be drawing cards but he is fairly easy to kill.

Anything besides blue atm.

Green has both Garruks, Thragtusk, gyre sage, Wolfir Silverheart, Strangleroot Geist, somerwald sage, craterhoof behemoth

White has the human assortment, restoration angel, angel of serenity, entreat the angels, terminus

black has mutilate, liliana of the veil, gravecrawler, geralf's messenger, bloodgift demon, bloodline keeper, desecration demon, griselbrand, the manaflare extort guy, sign in blood, tragic slip, barter in blood, sever the bloodline,

red has pillar, spear, hellrider, thundermaw, ash zealot, stromkirk noble, electrickery


no rakdos cackler, burning-tree emissary, flinthoof boar (its awful without red), sphinx's revelation, zegana, lotleth troll, far/away, turn/burn, warleader's helix, supreme verdict, charms, ghor-clan, voice of resurgence, unburial rites, makes a lot of decks impossible to play (or muuuuuuch weaker).

Mono black control all day especially now with haunted plate mail. It works great with killing wave. I'm working on one right now and not going towards crypt ghast and griselbrand
mostly just lots of removal hand destruction and vampire nighthawk

Yeah it's so good I've been playing with it it's really fun not exactly an amazing deck but really fun

If you have access to Fiendslayer Paladin, Archangel of Thune, or Brave The Elements, go white wheenie.

All the people saying "not blue!" make me want to make a mono blue deck.... and then get crushed

Quote from NightmareVampire

All the people saying "not blue!" make me want to make a mono blue deck.... and then get crushed