That there is actually poor reasoning. First off, we don't even know if land creatures are in the set, if they are, then yes, it is a shoeing. But the thing is, it probably isn't. We do know it has an enchantment theme. So with that knowledge we can narrow the scope down to the wings, the enchantment creature, and a handful of other cards. This bringing the total down to like 5 cards. Out of those then it becomes more or less a guessing game on which mechanic the set is getting. Personally I am hoping for Imperial Mask cause Arcanum Wings probably won't for the same reason that we don't see more Stoneforge Mystic's in the game. I'm not a fan of the Enchantment Creature that much as it really has no mechanic identity other than having a huge weakness in containing two permanent types. Though even in my hatred filled glasses of it, that is the card I think it will be. The evidence strongly points towards it (due to graphical hints such as the hydra's energy "blood" and the star fields on the gods). We could also predict the Coronet one (can't fully think of names this morning), but that one seems a bit....heavy hitting. But we will see.
So no, no matter how much even I love Dryad Arbor, it is not the obvious one, in fact it almost obviously is not the one we are going to get.
EDIT: Also, if you look at the cards I mentioned, each of them only need a new artwork to be flavorful, and fit really well in the setting.
According to Maro, land creatures won't happen anytime soon, so if Dryad Arbor would be in the set, it would be the only of its kind.
According to Maro, land creatures won't happen anytime soon, so if Dryad Arbor would be in the set, it would be the only of its kind.
That was the point I was trying to get to in a very round about way, I was just approaching it through a different angle than the maro says angle for the person. I do believe it will be the Lucent liminid unfortunately. But that unfortunately is because I haven't seen what that combination will do.
If gods are the next new thing in MTG following planeswalkers and eldrazi, I am wondering how they are going to change the game. A low cc god does not make any sense as we are all expecting a power level above Titans. I am definitely excited for this addition to the game, but curious how they are going to interact with the meta both in Standard and Legacy.
Why is it "most likely" Lucid Liminid? Because when making a set with an enchantment theme, you need to have enablers. In a game where creatures are the most important part of the game (per R&D) making those creatures also enablers for "whenever an enchantment does a thing" abilities is an important tool. Aura swap doesn't enable enchantment matters things as it merely switches ones in play and doesn't cast them. I would say Imperial Mask's ability is the second best enabler.
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I don't like how everyone thinks these 'gods' are going to destroy Magic forever. They have their own special mechanic, which is the reasoning for their border. I can see them being 7+ CMC or something like that, but not 15 like Emrakul. Also, the Eldrazi aren't gods; they were worshipped AS gods, but they got released and showed their true forms as the large, plane-devouring monstrosities of the AEther.
So if anything, these are just going to be huge fatties that'll be 'pushed', but not Eldrazi pushed.
In the same way you can tell someone is from the XVIII century because he is arroused by ankles, you can tell someone is from USA because he feels nipples disturbing.
I'm going to hazard a guess here and say the following:
1. The future-shifted card included in the set is Patrician's Scorn. The nobles of Rome were referred to as patricians while the non-noble citizens was referred to as plebeians. This is easily the most thematically appropriate of the future-shifted cards. Expect new card art and new flavor text.
2. One of the returning mechanics will either be Convoke or a new version of Convoke. Convoke could easily makes sense in the set with respect to gods if the creature you tap are considered worshipers.
I'm going to hazard a guess here and say the following:
1. The future-shifted card included in the set is Patrician's Scorn. The nobles of Rome were referred to as patricians while the non-noble citizens was referred to as plebeians. This is easily the most thematically appropriate of the future-shifted cards. Expect new card art and new flavor text.
2. One of the returning mechanics will either be Convoke or a new version of Convoke. Convoke could easily makes sense in the set with respect to gods if the creature you tap are considered worshipers.
This makes sense to me. Convoke is basically a ton of guys pulling together for something big, almost like group prayer or paying tribute. I'm not so sure about Partician's Scorn but if that turns out to be true OMG YOUNG PYROMANCER ALL DAY. Man, I can't wait to hear more about Theros.
Patrician's Scorn seems a very unlikely reprint because of its effect - in the Enchantments block they wouldn't print such an easy to cast way to destroy them all. (But they would do it in 3rd set of the block).
... Patrician's Scorn - Sure, it fits Roman flavor. The problem? Rome is not Greece.
... Lucent Liminid - It's an enchantment creature, sure. The problem is, it's much, much more creature than it is enchantment. Really, it mechanically does not feel like an enchantment, and that has been cited as a problem. It could be the "theme" card, I suppose, but enchantment creatures can be designed in other, easier ways.
... Dryad Arbor - Land creatures have caused some rules quirks and strange interactions. Don't expect land creatures that aren't manlands (I wouldn't hold my breath for those, but they're possible, I guess).
... anything with a futureshifted keyword. Not even aura swap (especially aura swap, in fact - they got it backwards from what it should be). Wizards does not count futureshifted mechanics to be returning mechanics from everything I've read, and none of the futureshifted keywords except grandeur strike me as a great fit for heroes, monsters, or gods. Well, maybe frenzy for monsters, but that's a bit boring. Grandeur is out because the home planes of the grandeur legends are accounted for (there may be some doubt about Korlash, but he's unlikely to be anywhere but Dominaria).
... for that matter, anything with an old block keyword. None of the reused keywords on the futureshifted cards are a strong flavor fit for Greek mythology (convoke was used in Future Sight, but not on futureshifted cards, if someone wants to argue that).
Taking your post, and playing off your format here to state my arguments for or against. Now that I am properly awake lol.
First off, we have seen cards like Patrician's Scorn, in the past (not exact style, but close enough) and what they said is that it would be a futureshifted card that does something that never was done out of future shiftedness.
Daybreak Coronet could be a possibility, this is due to the fact that it not only is enchantment matters, but the enchantments are meant to build (sorry my own loose wording, first post of forum words it better than me) towards the gods. This might be achievable by a sort of Enchantment string. Daybreak coronet might point towards this.
Lucent Liminid, I stated my dislike for this card earlier, but the reason I think that this is the most likely is not because of it being an enchantment, but the fact that some of the creature artworks outside of this one look like they are flavored towards being enchantment creatures via the artwork (see pictures of new hydra, as well as the gods). This could just be a vanilla enabler, and the other ones being more flavorful towards what it means to be an enchantment creature. Just because the future shifted card isn't the best example, doesn't mean that it's automatically disregarded. It will all boil down to what mechanics are present.
Imperial Mask,....I like Imperial Mask, I am just trying to decide if I think it would be the one. I would love to see it in Theros from everything I have seen. But how unique of an ability is it really? What is the threshold for the term "never been done outside of a future shifted card", does this mean verbatim to the exact letter or stylistically? Because if it is stylistic, then that means that this really isn't much different than Emblems. But even then, we haven't seen an enchant that distributes emblems either.
Arcanum Wings seems like a no, just for the sheer fact of how it works. It's a pretty generic ability that can be broken if used half way right, but on the opposite, it could fit in if they worked it right. It's definitely a card that cares about the other cards around it, so if the other cards around it are halfway good, then I doubt this is what we will see.
Second Wind I don't see getting the slot due to the fact that it is a book keeping nightmare in some board states.
Shapeshifter's Marrow has a slight possibility, but is the graveyard cloning really that unique?
Spellweaver Volute, what can I say about this card except it definitely is unique? Also, how many cards do we see that actually target something in the graveyard? Though, the chances of this set being yard based are very slim to none (due to yard interaction over the past few years, and thematically would it even fit?), so how likely would it be to see a graveyard based card like this that would carry it's mechanic over with it?
Steamflogger Boss, Unique? Yes, Wanted? Yes, Thematic? Quite the opposite. This probably is a no.
Tomestalker Demon, Above I mentioned graveyard tactics, and that is why this is a high possibility for me. Delve requires there to be week yard tactics, as low as possible, for it to work without stepping on your own toes, yet still is thematic, think of the Oracle delving in the secrets of the realm beyond to pull something through?? Honestly this is a pretty good possibility IMHO.
Also do remember, they try and keep mechanics so they can support at least eight cards mechanically. That is why a number of mechanics will never come back according to the storm scale.
NOTE: I went through the future shifted cards to specifically look for unique ones that didn't rely on local lore of other planes, this list is all of them except for Fleshwrither (transmute has a few questions going with it baggage wise) and I didn't include Dryad Arbor, see land creature complexities.
... Patrician's Scorn - Sure, it fits Roman flavor. The problem? Rome is not Greece.
... Lucent Liminid - It's an enchantment creature, sure. The problem is, it's much, much more creature than it is enchantment. Really, it mechanically does not feel like an enchantment, and that has been cited as a problem. It could be the "theme" card, I suppose, but enchantment creatures can be designed in other, easier ways.
... Dryad Arbor - Land creatures have caused some rules quirks and strange interactions. Don't expect land creatures that aren't manlands (I wouldn't hold my breath for those, but they're possible, I guess).
... anything with a futureshifted keyword. Not even aura swap (especially aura swap, in fact - they got it backwards from what it should be). Wizards does not count futureshifted mechanics to be returning mechanics from everything I've read, and none of the futureshifted keywords except grandeur strike me as a great fit for heroes, monsters, or gods. Well, maybe frenzy for monsters, but that's a bit boring. Grandeur is out because the home planes of the grandeur legends are accounted for (there may be some doubt about Korlash, but he's unlikely to be anywhere but Dominaria).
... for that matter, anything with an old block keyword. None of the reused keywords on the futureshifted cards are a strong flavor fit for Greek mythology (convoke was used in Future Sight, but not on futureshifted cards, if someone wants to argue that).
I agree with most, but just a few things Id like to say about them...
1. Patrician Scorn - I agree that it probably won't be in the set, but this isn't the first time someone brought up the Rome isn't Greece statement. I should say the Theros isn't Greece either, it's Theros. The set has a heavy Greco- Roman feel to it, and even though there are a lot of parallels in Greece and Rome I don't think we can count out on or the other in flavor.
2.Lucint Lumarid - I think enchantment creatures could be done to feel more like an Enchantment. This guy could just be a common. I think it'd be pretty cool to have more guys like this.
3. Dryad Arbor - Dryads do fit flavorfully in this set, but if they did a cycle they wouldn't all be dryads. It would be cool if they made more of these guys, but I don't think this is the set for them.
Aura swap is what I'm hoping for personally, though I think grandeur would fit as well. Remember no mechanic has a home plane, exalted on black creatures should show us they can put a mechanic wherever it fits flavor. ( Poor Bushido and ninjitsu, flavor gives them a home plane as the exception, not the rule)
Well as someone in another thread has pointed out, stuff like Halcyon Glaze is already a good way to make enchantment creatures, so it sounds like Lucent Liminid is out as it would not really offer something new... or does it even matter?
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So i think since enchantments are a big thing here what a big thing here, maybe they are referencing to enchantment creatures. Lucent Liminid
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In the same way you can tell someone is from the XVIII century because he is arroused by ankles, you can tell someone is from USA because he feels nipples disturbing.
Spin into Myth seems like a decent, if not interesting choice for reprint.
Yes. But fateseal *sucks*. Noone likes to play against it as it can effectively shut down decks. And none of R&D likes it because it makes the game "unfun". Thus it will not be returning.
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I'd say keep checking Twitter. They'll announce it as soon as it's up, and likely on the mothership or just on their main Youtube account.
I'm pretty disapointed it's not up yet. Last year it took them a couple of hours tops... and wasn't it live as well?
According to Maro, land creatures won't happen anytime soon, so if Dryad Arbor would be in the set, it would be the only of its kind.
That was the point I was trying to get to in a very round about way, I was just approaching it through a different angle than the maro says angle for the person. I do believe it will be the Lucent liminid unfortunately. But that unfortunately is because I haven't seen what that combination will do.
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I guess it fits the Godly theme
So if anything, these are just going to be huge fatties that'll be 'pushed', but not Eldrazi pushed.
1. The future-shifted card included in the set is Patrician's Scorn. The nobles of Rome were referred to as patricians while the non-noble citizens was referred to as plebeians. This is easily the most thematically appropriate of the future-shifted cards. Expect new card art and new flavor text.
2. One of the returning mechanics will either be Convoke or a new version of Convoke. Convoke could easily makes sense in the set with respect to gods if the creature you tap are considered worshipers.
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This makes sense to me. Convoke is basically a ton of guys pulling together for something big, almost like group prayer or paying tribute. I'm not so sure about Partician's Scorn but if that turns out to be true OMG YOUNG PYROMANCER ALL DAY. Man, I can't wait to hear more about Theros.
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Taking your post, and playing off your format here to state my arguments for or against. Now that I am properly awake lol.
First off, we have seen cards like Patrician's Scorn, in the past (not exact style, but close enough) and what they said is that it would be a futureshifted card that does something that never was done out of future shiftedness.
Daybreak Coronet could be a possibility, this is due to the fact that it not only is enchantment matters, but the enchantments are meant to build (sorry my own loose wording, first post of forum words it better than me) towards the gods. This might be achievable by a sort of Enchantment string. Daybreak coronet might point towards this.
Lucent Liminid, I stated my dislike for this card earlier, but the reason I think that this is the most likely is not because of it being an enchantment, but the fact that some of the creature artworks outside of this one look like they are flavored towards being enchantment creatures via the artwork (see pictures of new hydra, as well as the gods). This could just be a vanilla enabler, and the other ones being more flavorful towards what it means to be an enchantment creature. Just because the future shifted card isn't the best example, doesn't mean that it's automatically disregarded. It will all boil down to what mechanics are present.
Imperial Mask,....I like Imperial Mask, I am just trying to decide if I think it would be the one. I would love to see it in Theros from everything I have seen. But how unique of an ability is it really? What is the threshold for the term "never been done outside of a future shifted card", does this mean verbatim to the exact letter or stylistically? Because if it is stylistic, then that means that this really isn't much different than Emblems. But even then, we haven't seen an enchant that distributes emblems either.
Arcanum Wings seems like a no, just for the sheer fact of how it works. It's a pretty generic ability that can be broken if used half way right, but on the opposite, it could fit in if they worked it right. It's definitely a card that cares about the other cards around it, so if the other cards around it are halfway good, then I doubt this is what we will see.
Second Wind I don't see getting the slot due to the fact that it is a book keeping nightmare in some board states.
Shapeshifter's Marrow has a slight possibility, but is the graveyard cloning really that unique?
Spellweaver Volute, what can I say about this card except it definitely is unique? Also, how many cards do we see that actually target something in the graveyard? Though, the chances of this set being yard based are very slim to none (due to yard interaction over the past few years, and thematically would it even fit?), so how likely would it be to see a graveyard based card like this that would carry it's mechanic over with it?
Steamflogger Boss, Unique? Yes, Wanted? Yes, Thematic? Quite the opposite. This probably is a no.
Tomestalker Demon, Above I mentioned graveyard tactics, and that is why this is a high possibility for me. Delve requires there to be week yard tactics, as low as possible, for it to work without stepping on your own toes, yet still is thematic, think of the Oracle delving in the secrets of the realm beyond to pull something through?? Honestly this is a pretty good possibility IMHO.
Also do remember, they try and keep mechanics so they can support at least eight cards mechanically. That is why a number of mechanics will never come back according to the storm scale.
NOTE: I went through the future shifted cards to specifically look for unique ones that didn't rely on local lore of other planes, this list is all of them except for Fleshwrither (transmute has a few questions going with it baggage wise) and I didn't include Dryad Arbor, see land creature complexities.
I agree with most, but just a few things Id like to say about them...
1. Patrician Scorn - I agree that it probably won't be in the set, but this isn't the first time someone brought up the Rome isn't Greece statement. I should say the Theros isn't Greece either, it's Theros. The set has a heavy Greco- Roman feel to it, and even though there are a lot of parallels in Greece and Rome I don't think we can count out on or the other in flavor.
2.Lucint Lumarid - I think enchantment creatures could be done to feel more like an Enchantment. This guy could just be a common. I think it'd be pretty cool to have more guys like this.
3. Dryad Arbor - Dryads do fit flavorfully in this set, but if they did a cycle they wouldn't all be dryads. It would be cool if they made more of these guys, but I don't think this is the set for them.
Aura swap is what I'm hoping for personally, though I think grandeur would fit as well. Remember no mechanic has a home plane, exalted on black creatures should show us they can put a mechanic wherever it fits flavor. ( Poor Bushido and ninjitsu, flavor gives them a home plane as the exception, not the rule)
Enduring Ideal decks were good and fun!
So i think since enchantments are a big thing here what a big thing here, maybe they are referencing to enchantment creatures.
Lucent Liminid
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UW Choose One - Return Target Creature to the top of it's Owner's deck, or Creatures your Opponent controls can't attack this turn. This creature doesn't untap during your next untap step.
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Yea I have been looking for a video everywhere and cant find one.
I think it's unlikely, but I agree it would be amusing. The 'Goyf fanboys at my LGS were already upset about 1 reprinting...
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Yes. But fateseal *sucks*. Noone likes to play against it as it can effectively shut down decks. And none of R&D likes it because it makes the game "unfun". Thus it will not be returning.
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