Not Sure If This Is A Good Forum To Post This But I Was Curious If They Will Ever Make A Card That Can Copy Target PlanesWalker? It Could But Interesting Now With The Legend Ruling Change.
If they wanted one to copy yours though, it would have to be a walker itself that had a clause like Sakashima where he/she keeps his/her Planeswalker type.
"You may have BLAH enter the battlefield as a copy of a Planeswalker, except its Planeswalker type is still BLAH".
Considering how much room that ability takes up, it might not only have one or two abilities on top of that, if any.
This is the kind of thing they've certainly experimented with, but will never ever actually print. Having a clone of a planeswalker is simply too confusing to put on a card- you need dice and need to keep track of multiple numbers and abilities. It's an interesting idea, but there's not a good way to execute it.
You can copy a planeswalker now though....
Just turn their planewalker into an artifact temporarely and then copy it using either stolen identity or phyrexian metamorph to copy it. Liquid metal coating will help.
Needing that many effects to pull it off is appropriately confusing for the confusing result.
Technically it is a true clone effect, your just changing the planewalker not the clone. Not to mention you still can't get 2 mindscultpers on the field cause they copy the name too.
It's used to copy enchantments, planeswalkers, land or even creatures. Fun deck to run cause your basically playing the opponents deck.
I run 4 liquid metal coatings, 4 Argent mutation, 4 neurok transmuter and 4 Tel-Jilad Justice. For copying just run 4 phyrexian metamorphs and 4 mizzium transreliquent and you should be fine.
If you want to destroy enemy lands, run ancient grudge and if you want strong creatures run tel-jilad wolf that turns into a 5/5 if blocked by an artifact.
I wasn't meaning your post.
I meant, the planeswalker clone card, would have to be a true clone, because the name doesn't matter, what matters is the PW type.
If I have a mind sculptor, and I play Spike the planeswalker clone, that's planeswalker type stays as Planeswalker - Spike, when I clone my mindsculptor I will have two different cards
Jace, The Mind Sculptor
Planeswalker - Jace
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Jace, The Mind Sculptor
Planeswalker - Spike
Name doesn't mean anything with Planeswalkers, what matters is their planeswalker type.
If I somehow got my Chandra the Firebrand to have her name say Jace, The Mind Sculptor and had his four abilities, but she till aid planeswalker - Chandra, I would have a Chandra and a Jace on the field, and I could brainstorm and fateseal all day.
Why are you all jumping through hoops when you can just steal it with something like Volition Reins? Or even better, the recently reprinted Take Possession. It's not like you can have more than one anyways, so simply cloning it would be strictly worse than an effect that already exists.
Ah good point but when you copy a permanent you copy it's type as well do you not?
Not as far as I know, which is why most (if not all) new legendary clone effects have clauses that maintain their identity. See Lazav, Dimir Mastermind and The Mimeoplasm for examples on both sides.
Cheaper to just copy them and it allows you to destroy their land, creatures or enchantments. Versatility versus simplicity.
I'm sorry, destroyed how? If you're talking about Liquimetal Coating again, you're still jumping through hoops for no good reason. There are far easier ways to get rid of PWs (Beast Within comes to mind), and a deck that can both steal and destroy permanents without the need to turn them into artifacts first is going to be infinitely more versatile. It's also not cheaper if you have to invest in a 2 mana artifact before you can cast a 4 CMC clone spell.
I was in the midst of editing when you posted. I try my best to never double post.
And yes, it is complicated to build an entire deck around a combo that is arguably worse than having two cards with simpler effects. Those early plays will make it possible to cast clone effects on turn four, this is true, but you're wasting time while your opponent is already casting more meaningful spells. And if he stops your combo by taking out a critical piece, what then? What if you never draw into your combo enablers in the first place? I bet you'll be wishing you had one card that does it all instead.
Look, I'm not bashing you for playing the deck - it's your prerogative to play with whatever is most fun for you - but for the sake of this particular argument, which is the copying of a PW, what you're proposing is wholly unnecessary when cards like Volition Reins and Blatant Thievery already exist.
Let me go back a step, since my point seems to have gone over your head: I don't see how that's relevant. What does a modern deck have to do with... well, anything? This is a thread about copying a PW, and I pointed out how stealing it is much more effective. Everything you've posted since has been relegated to one specific instance in one specific format, which is well and beside the point.
Seriously? Your point was how stealing was more effective, and I simply stated how thats not always the case. Especially in modern.
Most of my posts, besides explaining how modern goryo's decks work, were about copying planeswalkers. Yes using artifacts but still copying them.
If my mizzium transreliquat copies your Jace, the Mind Sculpter, it is a Jace Mind Sculpter. It may be an artifact as well but it is still a Jace. Therefore I have successfully copied a planeswalker.
I am pretty sure telling someone that you can copy a planeswalker is better than saying don't bother just steal theirs instead.
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Your version requires blue mana, mine does not.
You stated that building an entire deck around your turning-things-into-artifacts strategy is easier than one or two cards that do everything by themselves, and then gave me one very specific scenario where your deck can handle a third turn Emrakul. Grats, you win this argument... /facepalm
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Both clone and stealing effects are blue.
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Just edit your post, you aren't writing me a love letter.
Not Sure If This Is A Good Forum To Post This But I Was Curious If They Will Ever Make A Card That Can Copy Target PlanesWalker? It Could But Interesting Now With The Legend Ruling Change.
Being able to outright clone a Planeswalker would be an insult. A Planeswalker is a Planeswalker because they have awakened their Spark, an intangible force that cannot be created or copied and is only found within a select few individuals.
While there are ways to do what you're asking in the actual game through synergy between different cards, should Wizards print a card that is essentially 'This card enters the battlefield as a copy of a Planeswalker', it would cause quite a few problems with established lore.
Artifact cloning copies any permanent. As early as turn 4. Yours only steal a permanent for lots of mana per card. You can't tell me you will run 4 Blatent Thievery and Voilition Reins.
Not to mention your idea is taking 4 cards out of a blue deck and swapping them with those cards to steal a planeswalkers.
My idea is a deck that plays against your opponents deck and destroys their lands while you continue to grow. Yes I admit it is a bit far fetched bt one can simply run mizzium trans with liquid metal. That 6 cards, 3 LM coating and 3 mizzium. You can even just have 2 of each if you have good draw in a deck and are nt stuck for mana colour. My god shame on me for trying to teach people how to copy a planeswalker and for giving advice how to build a deck that can dominate the field and copy permanents. Why did I ever write a post about copying planeswalkers in the first place. Why didn't I just say "Why copy when you can kill, dreadbore"?!
A deck that can do everything?!? It sounds so perfect, I wonder why I haven't seen it top 8 at any events...
Yes, you found a way to copy a PW. It's convoluted and impractical, but you found a way. Good on you.
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If they wanted one to copy yours though, it would have to be a walker itself that had a clause like Sakashima where he/she keeps his/her Planeswalker type.
"You may have BLAH enter the battlefield as a copy of a Planeswalker, except its Planeswalker type is still BLAH".
Considering how much room that ability takes up, it might not only have one or two abilities on top of that, if any.
Tl,dr; yes, that is a thing they can do.
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As unlike as a planeswalker specific card is, I think "target permanent" is doable, appealing and would benefit from the new rules.
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Yeah, this is probably correct. It would probably have to cost like 4UU or 3UU. It would be cool with flash. I made this card like 6 years ago:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=88801
I shouldn't be able to have two Mindsculptors on the battlefield, which is obviously the only real use for this.
I wasn't meaning your post.
I meant, the planeswalker clone card, would have to be a true clone, because the name doesn't matter, what matters is the PW type.
If I have a mind sculptor, and I play Spike the planeswalker clone, that's planeswalker type stays as Planeswalker - Spike, when I clone my mindsculptor I will have two different cards
Jace, The Mind Sculptor
Planeswalker - Jace
-and-
Jace, The Mind Sculptor
Planeswalker - Spike
Name doesn't mean anything with Planeswalkers, what matters is their planeswalker type.
If I somehow got my Chandra the Firebrand to have her name say Jace, The Mind Sculptor and had his four abilities, but she till aid planeswalker - Chandra, I would have a Chandra and a Jace on the field, and I could brainstorm and fateseal all day.
Why are you all jumping through hoops when you can just steal it with something like Volition Reins? Or even better, the recently reprinted Take Possession. It's not like you can have more than one anyways, so simply cloning it would be strictly worse than an effect that already exists.
Not as far as I know, which is why most (if not all) new legendary clone effects have clauses that maintain their identity. See Lazav, Dimir Mastermind and The Mimeoplasm for examples on both sides.
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I'm sorry, destroyed how? If you're talking about Liquimetal Coating again, you're still jumping through hoops for no good reason. There are far easier ways to get rid of PWs (Beast Within comes to mind), and a deck that can both steal and destroy permanents without the need to turn them into artifacts first is going to be infinitely more versatile. It's also not cheaper if you have to invest in a 2 mana artifact before you can cast a 4 CMC clone spell.
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And yes, it is complicated to build an entire deck around a combo that is arguably worse than having two cards with simpler effects. Those early plays will make it possible to cast clone effects on turn four, this is true, but you're wasting time while your opponent is already casting more meaningful spells. And if he stops your combo by taking out a critical piece, what then? What if you never draw into your combo enablers in the first place? I bet you'll be wishing you had one card that does it all instead.
Look, I'm not bashing you for playing the deck - it's your prerogative to play with whatever is most fun for you - but for the sake of this particular argument, which is the copying of a PW, what you're proposing is wholly unnecessary when cards like Volition Reins and Blatant Thievery already exist.
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but it might have to do something else to become a "good card" because planeswalkers aren't abundant enough to make it playable....
EDH:
Niv-Mizzet
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The Rack
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Venser, the Sojourner Control
You stated that building an entire deck around your turning-things-into-artifacts strategy is easier than one or two cards that do everything by themselves, and then gave me one very specific scenario where your deck can handle a third turn Emrakul. Grats, you win this argument... /facepalm
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Both clone and stealing effects are blue.
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Just edit your post, you aren't writing me a love letter.
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Oh, I guess that makes dedicating 60 cards to it worthwhile.
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Being able to outright clone a Planeswalker would be an insult. A Planeswalker is a Planeswalker because they have awakened their Spark, an intangible force that cannot be created or copied and is only found within a select few individuals.
While there are ways to do what you're asking in the actual game through synergy between different cards, should Wizards print a card that is essentially 'This card enters the battlefield as a copy of a Planeswalker', it would cause quite a few problems with established lore.
A deck that can do everything?!? It sounds so perfect, I wonder why I haven't seen it top 8 at any events...
Yes, you found a way to copy a PW. It's convoluted and impractical, but you found a way. Good on you.
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