I just bought 4 x Voice of Resurgences.... FML!!!!
I just cant even begin to describe the feeling of disgust....
Don't feel bad. They will stay at the same price or more likely, go up.
Voice was the card that I spent the most on in Standard in the past year. I sold a bunch for $25 to a store when they went up. Then they skyrocketed up more and a month later, I still had to pay $33 each. That's a much worse loss, when you've had the card and undervalue it, then need it later.
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What is the deal with the price of Kalonian Hydra ? I have 3 decks that would GREATLY benefit from adding a playset of him in, but refuse to shell out $100.
What is the deal with the price of Kalonian Hydra ? I have 3 decks that would GREATLY benefit from adding a playset of him in, but refuse to shell out $100.
Think he'll eventually drop in price or what?
I wish it would but I doubt it. Barely anyone opens core sets so whatever decent rares/mythical appear in them tend to maintain their value. Just look at hellkite angel and thragtusk in m13, the angel even maintained a high price despite barely seeing any play.
I just don't know why the heck people pay such ridiculous prices for cards.
Tournaments have a huge luck factor to them and terrible payouts, but people line up to pay hundreds of dollars for the newest tier 1 decks.
It all seems like such a tremendous waste.
I think the same could be said about anything. People waste money on cars; people waste money on their home. I know single people who live in a home that could house a 9 person family pretty easily. I know people who have a $40,000 car and live in an apartment or a $90,000 car and live with roommates. It's all about priorities.
In my lifetime, I have probably spent over $100,000 on Magic related expenses, including cards, gas, tournament fees, and supplies. I have probably sold cards that don't quite get to that expense level. Still, it is worth it to me for a game that I really love. I try to keep my expenses down, but occasionally, I have to get a card that I misjudged, like Voice of Resurgence for $132 a playset. (Ouch!)
Honestly, if I didn't spend it on cards, I'd probably "waste" my money fixing up my car, only to get stolen if I drive it out.
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I think the same could be said about anything. People waste money on cars; people waste money on their home. I know single people who live in a home that could house a 9 person family pretty easily. I know people who have a $40,000 car and live in an apartment or a $90,000 car and live with roommates. It's all about priorities.
In my lifetime, I have probably spent over $100,000 on Magic related expenses, including cards, gas, tournament fees, and supplies. I have probably sold cards that don't quite get to that expense level. Still, it is worth it to me for a game that I really love. I try to keep my expenses down, but occasionally, I have to get a card that I misjudged, like Voice of Resurgence for $132 a playset. (Ouch!)
Honestly, if I didn't spend it on cards, I'd probably "waste" my money fixing up my car, only to get stolen if I drive it out.
By paying the exorbitant card prices, you are directly decreasing the size of the player base of your main hobby.
You end up paying more, people who aren't willing to pay such high( and the prices are ridiculously high ) prices don't play, and everyone ends up worse off.
The prices seem high because people want to win.
But tournaments don't have payouts that justify such stupid card prices.
It just seems like a whole lot of irrational behavior.
By paying the exorbitant card prices, you are directly decreasing the size of the player base of your main hobby.
You end up paying more, people who aren't willing to pay such high( and the prices are ridiculously high ) prices don't play, and everyone ends up worse off.
The prices seem high because people want to win.
But tournaments don't have payouts that justify such stupid card prices.
It just seems like a whole lot of irrational behavior.
I have to agree with you on that. Last night at the release two of the guys before the tournament bought three boxes of Theros each. They got first and second place with decks that were well into the $300 hundred range at the very least. For someone that plays but only has $20 at the best of times I am not sure how I am suppose to compete with that.
I have to agree with you on that. Last night at the release two of the guys before the tournament bought three boxes of Theros each. They got first and second place with decks that were well into the $300 hundred range at the very least. For someone that plays but only has $20 at the best of times I am not sure how I am suppose to compete with that.
Well Magic is a hobby, if you can't afford the hobby, then move to another format. There isn't a rule that you can't bring tier one decks to FNM.
Well Magic is a hobby, if you can't afford the hobby, then move to another format. There isn't a rule that you can't bring tier one decks to FNM.
This is what I'm seeing. I play a non tier deck about 1 out of every 5 rounds at my FNM. Yesterday for Modern, it was pretty odd. I faced 4 budget decks, RG Aggro no Goyf, Mono Green Infect, Kiln Fiend.dec, and some odd March of the Machines deck. Most of the games were NOT close (I played Griselbanned or as others call it, Reanimator). Oddly enough my only loss was to the mirror. Sometimes, I realized when my opponent's deck is overmatched, but it doesn't mean that I should also play something budget. (I'd probably then get matched up vs. the store's UWR, Pod, Jund, or other Tier 1 deck's players. :rolleyes:)
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Go back to casual kitchen table magic? The hobby is thriving and around the same price range as things like paintball or RC cars. You don't need a lot of money for a competitive deck. People are lazy don't want to brew or metagame so they naturally just look for top placing netdecks without evaluating them for their meta.
I have to agree with you on that. Last night at the release two of the guys before the tournament bought three boxes of Theros each. They got first and second place with decks that were well into the $300 hundred range at the very least. For someone that plays but only has $20 at the best of times I am not sure how I am suppose to compete with that.
Overtime you kind of get your money's worth IMO if you are really dedicated to the hobby. For example, last year I spent 400 dollars on a Jund deck. I placed into the top 4 of my FNM maybe once every 2-3 weeks and each time won 20-30 in store credit that I used to buy Return to Ravnica staples (duals, Reckoners, Obzedat, etc). Then rotation comes around this year and I already have the extra 150-200 worth in staples, which made the switch to Dega Midrange seemless.
Factor that in with the long term benefits of playing Magic. Having a collection over time makes it really easy to get into Cube or EDH for no money. And even if you don't make a profit playing this game (which you probably wont), think of other forms of entertainment that cost money. Going to the movies... going to a bar... going to a sports event or concert. People forget that going to FNMs on Fridays is an event in itself and it's a lot less expensive than other things you could do on the weekend.
Go back to casual kitchen table magic? The hobby is thriving and around the same price range as things like paintball or RC cars. You don't need a lot of money for a competitive deck. People are lazy don't want to brew or metagame so they naturally just look for top placing netdecks without evaluating them for their meta.
You never answered my question, and instead tried to change the subject by calling people lazy for using strong cards.
Overtime you kind of get your money's worth IMO if you are really dedicated to the hobby. For example, last year I spent 400 dollars on a Jund deck. I placed into the top 4 of my FNM maybe once every 2-3 weeks and each time won 20-30 in store credit that I used to buy Return to Ravnica staples (duals, Reckoners, Obzedat, etc). Then rotation comes around this year and I already have the extra 150-200 worth in staples, which made the switch to Dega Midrange seemless.
Factor that in with the long term benefits of playing Magic. Having a collection over time makes it really easy to get into Cube or EDH for no money. And even if you don't make a profit playing this game (which you probably wont), think of other forms of entertainment that cost money. Going to the movies... going to a bar... going to a sports event or concert. People forget that going to FNMs on Fridays is an event in itself and it's a lot less expensive than other things you could do on the weekend.
I agree with this. I live in a third world country where MTG is truly expensive in terms of paper worth but with my experience its not really that much expensive at all if you approach it differently. I started playing competitively around Shards of Alara block with a Jund deck that cost me around 40,000 Php (roughly $400) and I am pretty sure that same deck is also responsible for all of my standard decks for these past few years (+ a few bucks of course).
What I have learned these past few years is that competitive magic is very expensive for starters and it hurts sometimes if your invested t1 deck didnt turned out to be t1 but still there are other ways. When Caw Blade beat the hell out of me back then, me and my friend switched to draft in our LGS for the whole season. This made it easy for us to wreck the new rotation with ease with the cards that we acquired.
Also, if individual cards are too much expensive for you then buy products instead. (Booster packs, booster box, even event decks if you must) I'm sure there is always someone willing to trade you a Chandra Pyromaster for a couple of rares that you think you will never need in your deck.
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If you're willing to trade away the cards you don't use, you can pretty easily lose little to no money off Magic after you make a small initial investment, aka getting a deck you enjoy and you're able to win with.
Occasionally there will be a stupid Constructed card that will require a big investment, let's say Voice or Revelation. You're just gonna have to bite the bullet in cases like that, I'm afraid stupidly overpriced cards are just as Constructed legal as other cards.
From my point of view, the real money traps are Sealed and the 'casual' formats or whatever. Yeah, you could hold onto your cards for forever because you might play them in some convoluted EDH deck at one point in your life, but you're probably better off trading them away when you don't use them anymore.
This is a thought process it has taken me a long time to get to. A lot of what me and my son are acquiring now is coming from me finally trading in a lot of my Zen-Inn stuff I held onto for not much of a reason. But since we don't do modern and already have EDH stuff I rather fund our standard games with what would just gather dust.
That being said though, I really wish we didn't need as many sweet 20-30$ cards as we do lol!
Limited would be fine, in fact limited would be better imo when the relative power of a single strong rare is less because more rares are opened.
People don't buy packs anymore they buy singles. Because the average pack is worthless to the average player. That is the problem. Packs are opened by drafters and companies that sell singles.
For the first time ever I'm being priced out of a decent RDW deck because both Stormbreath Dragon and Chandra, Pyromaster are over $30 each. A red aggro deck that costs more than $200? Madness.
I'd reconsider whether Stormbreath Dragon is necessary for RDW. I saw a number of lists from last week's SCG where 4 drops topped the curve for RDW, particularly the tournament winner
Quick question here; coz I've been more or less away from Magic this last month... Why(/When?) did Chandra Pyromancer become so expensive???
Did she got heavily played in comp decks??
I'm just curious, and despite hearing that she's the best Chandra so far; I also heard and so far agree with the statement that she's not *that* good.
Thanks for enlightening me on this.
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Quick question here; coz I've been more or less away from Magic this last month... Why(/When?) did Chandra Pyromancer become so expensive???
She had some big finishes in decks in multiple formats. She was in 2 decks that were in the Top 4 of GP Detroit (Modern), was in a deck that got #2 the SCG Legacy open in Cincinnati, and has been seeing a lot of Standard play recently.
Limited would be fine, in fact limited would be better imo when the relative power of a single strong rare is less because more rares are opened.
People don't buy packs anymore they buy singles. Because the average pack is worthless to the average player. That is the problem. Packs are opened by drafters and companies that sell singles.
Enh, I don't know, I would think the "average" player is one who isn't quite invested enough to be going and buying a lot of singles; I think there's a lot more casual Magic players than competitive ones.
Though even the competitive players will often be buying packs if they play in local tournaments, because local tournaments usually give booster packs as prizes, meaning that you're essentially still buying the packs in that you're giving the store money and getting packs back.
Don't feel bad. They will stay at the same price or more likely, go up.
Voice was the card that I spent the most on in Standard in the past year. I sold a bunch for $25 to a store when they went up. Then they skyrocketed up more and a month later, I still had to pay $33 each. That's a much worse loss, when you've had the card and undervalue it, then need it later.
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)Think he'll eventually drop in price or what?
I wish it would but I doubt it. Barely anyone opens core sets so whatever decent rares/mythical appear in them tend to maintain their value. Just look at hellkite angel and thragtusk in m13, the angel even maintained a high price despite barely seeing any play.
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Tournaments have a huge luck factor to them and terrible payouts, but people line up to pay hundreds of dollars for the newest tier 1 decks.
It all seems like such a tremendous waste.
They feed off people's EGO. That's really all it takes!
I think the same could be said about anything. People waste money on cars; people waste money on their home. I know single people who live in a home that could house a 9 person family pretty easily. I know people who have a $40,000 car and live in an apartment or a $90,000 car and live with roommates. It's all about priorities.
In my lifetime, I have probably spent over $100,000 on Magic related expenses, including cards, gas, tournament fees, and supplies. I have probably sold cards that don't quite get to that expense level. Still, it is worth it to me for a game that I really love. I try to keep my expenses down, but occasionally, I have to get a card that I misjudged, like Voice of Resurgence for $132 a playset. (Ouch!)
Honestly, if I didn't spend it on cards, I'd probably "waste" my money fixing up my car, only to get stolen if I drive it out.
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)By paying the exorbitant card prices, you are directly decreasing the size of the player base of your main hobby.
You end up paying more, people who aren't willing to pay such high( and the prices are ridiculously high ) prices don't play, and everyone ends up worse off.
The prices seem high because people want to win.
But tournaments don't have payouts that justify such stupid card prices.
It just seems like a whole lot of irrational behavior.
I have to agree with you on that. Last night at the release two of the guys before the tournament bought three boxes of Theros each. They got first and second place with decks that were well into the $300 hundred range at the very least. For someone that plays but only has $20 at the best of times I am not sure how I am suppose to compete with that.
Well Magic is a hobby, if you can't afford the hobby, then move to another format. There isn't a rule that you can't bring tier one decks to FNM.
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This is what I'm seeing. I play a non tier deck about 1 out of every 5 rounds at my FNM. Yesterday for Modern, it was pretty odd. I faced 4 budget decks, RG Aggro no Goyf, Mono Green Infect, Kiln Fiend.dec, and some odd March of the Machines deck. Most of the games were NOT close (I played Griselbanned or as others call it, Reanimator). Oddly enough my only loss was to the mirror. Sometimes, I realized when my opponent's deck is overmatched, but it doesn't mean that I should also play something budget. (I'd probably then get matched up vs. the store's UWR, Pod, Jund, or other Tier 1 deck's players. :rolleyes:)
Some hobbies are expensive. Some not so expensive - like collecting buttons.
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Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)This is exactly the point.
By having prices be so high, fewer people play.
How is that a good thing at all?
Go back to casual kitchen table magic? The hobby is thriving and around the same price range as things like paintball or RC cars. You don't need a lot of money for a competitive deck. People are lazy don't want to brew or metagame so they naturally just look for top placing netdecks without evaluating them for their meta.
Overtime you kind of get your money's worth IMO if you are really dedicated to the hobby. For example, last year I spent 400 dollars on a Jund deck. I placed into the top 4 of my FNM maybe once every 2-3 weeks and each time won 20-30 in store credit that I used to buy Return to Ravnica staples (duals, Reckoners, Obzedat, etc). Then rotation comes around this year and I already have the extra 150-200 worth in staples, which made the switch to Dega Midrange seemless.
Factor that in with the long term benefits of playing Magic. Having a collection over time makes it really easy to get into Cube or EDH for no money. And even if you don't make a profit playing this game (which you probably wont), think of other forms of entertainment that cost money. Going to the movies... going to a bar... going to a sports event or concert. People forget that going to FNMs on Fridays is an event in itself and it's a lot less expensive than other things you could do on the weekend.
You never answered my question, and instead tried to change the subject by calling people lazy for using strong cards.
I agree with this. I live in a third world country where MTG is truly expensive in terms of paper worth but with my experience its not really that much expensive at all if you approach it differently. I started playing competitively around Shards of Alara block with a Jund deck that cost me around 40,000 Php (roughly $400) and I am pretty sure that same deck is also responsible for all of my standard decks for these past few years (+ a few bucks of course).
What I have learned these past few years is that competitive magic is very expensive for starters and it hurts sometimes if your invested t1 deck didnt turned out to be t1 but still there are other ways. When Caw Blade beat the hell out of me back then, me and my friend switched to draft in our LGS for the whole season. This made it easy for us to wreck the new rotation with ease with the cards that we acquired.
Also, if individual cards are too much expensive for you then buy products instead. (Booster packs, booster box, even event decks if you must) I'm sure there is always someone willing to trade you a Chandra Pyromaster for a couple of rares that you think you will never need in your deck.
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This is a thought process it has taken me a long time to get to. A lot of what me and my son are acquiring now is coming from me finally trading in a lot of my Zen-Inn stuff I held onto for not much of a reason. But since we don't do modern and already have EDH stuff I rather fund our standard games with what would just gather dust.
That being said though, I really wish we didn't need as many sweet 20-30$ cards as we do lol!
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Limited would be fine, in fact limited would be better imo when the relative power of a single strong rare is less because more rares are opened.
People don't buy packs anymore they buy singles. Because the average pack is worthless to the average player. That is the problem. Packs are opened by drafters and companies that sell singles.
I'd reconsider whether Stormbreath Dragon is necessary for RDW. I saw a number of lists from last week's SCG where 4 drops topped the curve for RDW, particularly the tournament winner
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Did she got heavily played in comp decks??
I'm just curious, and despite hearing that she's the best Chandra so far; I also heard and so far agree with the statement that she's not *that* good.
Thanks for enlightening me on this.
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She is seeing play in some number in Red Midrange decks, Red Control decks, and even as a 1-2 of in Aggro.
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Enh, I don't know, I would think the "average" player is one who isn't quite invested enough to be going and buying a lot of singles; I think there's a lot more casual Magic players than competitive ones.
Though even the competitive players will often be buying packs if they play in local tournaments, because local tournaments usually give booster packs as prizes, meaning that you're essentially still buying the packs in that you're giving the store money and getting packs back.
Oddly enough, it's the Falter in her +1 that wins more games. But drawing cards is still very, very good.