Here are two fictional players, Tom and Jack. For example, in Tom is good at limited theory but mediocre at technical play, he might post excellent advice in this forum, yet put up average results at tournaments. On the other hand, you have Jack, who is a strong player but not much of a limited strategist. He's doing reasonably well at events, but his posts are worse than Tom's, and Tom is the one you'll want to listen to. Does that make sense at all?
Makes perfect sense. It reminds of the threads we get when Brand Name Pro (who is not known to focus on Limited) tries a crazy strategy at a high profile draft, and suddenly that becomes the draft deck du jour. "It must be good because Brand Name Pro forced it on the Tour!"
The line has become very blurry since they stopped doing separate constructed and limited pro tours. We used to have dedicated limited pros -- not so much anymore, because you have to be skilled at all formats now to make it to the top. The end result is that some constructed geniuses are forced to draft, and usually what they do rather than try to learn the entire format (takes too much time they want to devote to constructed) they identify one specific archetype that is usually open and usually pretty powerful and they just force it and cross their fingers.
But because they have credibility in the broader community, people view that as a signal that they did indeed learn the entire format, and the reason they're using an unorthodox strategy is because it's actually the best -- not because it was the only strategy they learned, just enough to have a reasonable shot at a 2-1 draft.
Bottom line, not every Pro is knowledgeable about Limited and not every Limited expert is a Pro anymore (because now the tour forces you to diversify skills).
Regarding consensus and tone: You (I) learn so much more from a person disagreeing with you than you get from general validation... whether it's from a new perspective or making you defend your point better.
And I have won every draft I've ever done with a perfect record, named the GP, and once ate a cake made from the blood of PV.
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My Decks: EDH: Sygg, River Cutthroat , Road to Scion
Grimgrin, Corpseborn Modern: Polytokes IRL: Progenitus Polymorph , Goblins
Lol, only the limited forum would have a thread saying to be nicer to the trolls.
In all honesty, I lurk here constantly and only occasionally post, but you guys are already as open and friendly as nearly any forum I have seen. Nearly every 'help me with a pool' gets at least a couple of quick responses, even at the busiest time. And to anyone who stays around longer than a prerelease, they are quickly and easily redirected to resources appropriate for their skill level. All in all, you guys are already doing an excellent job, and all I can say is to keep it up.
In all seriousness with respect to the high level success stuff, one of the greatest things about this board is that we can share in the celebration and chronicling of members' successes. Watching known contributors doing well at big events is one of my favorite aspects of this community, and sharing my own has made it all that much better. It's not a matter of bragging about what we do or showering endless praise, but it's clear to me that this place has a positive impact on many of our skill sets, and, at least to some extent, when one of us does well, it's a boon to us all.
Honestly I mainly go to these boards to read what Bataleur, Tahn, you, Sene and Phyrre etc. have to say about limited. Usually just end up sifting through a bunch of nonsense looking for some reasonable posts about limited because I get nothing out of articles on Channelfireball etc.
Something about the way you guys discuss this stuff makes more sense if that makes sense O_o
Not to kiss butt too much or anything, but regardless as to how much success you guys have had your posts help a lot.
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I've made some silly posts in the limited forum in my time. I tend to do pretty darn well at limited, but I understand that I do get lucky and I've never played a tournament with more than four official rounds. Nonetheless, while my random strategic ramblings (such as play Jund control every time in DGR draft) might not mean much to someone who is grinding day and night on MTGO or flying from Europe to the US to win major tournaments, I think it serves a purpose for people who are looking for different playstyles in a format where people tend to focus on a unified set of correct strategies.
In my first posts to the forum, I was ignorant to the nature of the community. It seemed like a forum that lacked activity. People would go there to brag, but rarely would anyone share any information of substance, as if they are withholding some next-level info to protect their chances of winning.
Personally, I have no hard feelings. For my purposes, my ideas about limited are good enough for me, but I've definitely learned that there is quality strategy information in the forum if you stick around and read a lot of different threads.
edit - Did that come of as harsh? Sorry. That was my perception of things. Death & Taxes alone seemed to get more activity than the limited forums, but I never saw anything substantial in the limited forums behind all the 'group drafts', which I always find difficult to read.
Y'all have a nice day, and you have my word that I won't pursue my reign of fervor on this forum with my novice advice.
In my first posts to the forum, I was ignorant to the nature of the community. It seemed like a forum that lacked activity.
Things usually slow down quite a bit a few weeks after a format has come out.
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My Decks: EDH: Sygg, River Cutthroat , Road to Scion
Grimgrin, Corpseborn Modern: Polytokes IRL: Progenitus Polymorph , Goblins
The thing about limtied is that I think card evaluation is actually harder than it is for constructed. You also don't have anywhere near the degree of successful netdecking that constructed gets. As a newb, I think it can be harder to really have a worthy opinion coming into limited versus constructed. Granted, I don't think my opinion on constructed is worth much as I don't really play it (and I'm a limited snob).
One thing is certain; this place is a lot more cordial than the rumor mill. I always get a kick out of seeing people sig statements a poster makes about how much a card is going to go for and that date that they said it. So, if Kalonian Hydra doesn't get to $40, you're going to do what exactly to the ignorant, misguided, dribbling fool that said so?
2nd most polite forum here next to Custom Card Creation... yeah, that place has a lot of nice people
One thing is certain; this place is a lot more cordial than the rumor mill. I always get a kick out of seeing people sig statements a poster makes about how much a card is going to go for and that date that they said it. So, if Kalonian Hydra doesn't get to $40, you're going to do what exactly to the ignorant, misguided, dribbling fool that said so?
This is kind of irrelevant, but I never interpreted such quoting as hostile. It's all in good fun to speculate on the power of cards far before they have made their impact. That's why I like the Rumor Mill, because there's no punishment for being wrong, but when you are wrong in the queues you get hit hard.
Makes perfect sense. It reminds of the threads we get when Brand Name Pro (who is not known to focus on Limited) tries a crazy strategy at a high profile draft, and suddenly that becomes the draft deck du jour. "It must be good because Brand Name Pro forced it on the Tour!"
The line has become very blurry since they stopped doing separate constructed and limited pro tours. We used to have dedicated limited pros -- not so much anymore, because you have to be skilled at all formats now to make it to the top. The end result is that some constructed geniuses are forced to draft, and usually what they do rather than try to learn the entire format (takes too much time they want to devote to constructed) they identify one specific archetype that is usually open and usually pretty powerful and they just force it and cross their fingers.
But because they have credibility in the broader community, people view that as a signal that they did indeed learn the entire format, and the reason they're using an unorthodox strategy is because it's actually the best -- not because it was the only strategy they learned, just enough to have a reasonable shot at a 2-1 draft.
Bottom line, not every Pro is knowledgeable about Limited and not every Limited expert is a Pro anymore (because now the tour forces you to diversify skills).
And I have won every draft I've ever done with a perfect record, named the GP, and once ate a cake made from the blood of PV.
My Decks:
EDH: Sygg, River Cutthroat , Road to Scion
Grimgrin, Corpseborn
Modern: Polytokes
IRL: Progenitus Polymorph , Goblins
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In all honesty, I lurk here constantly and only occasionally post, but you guys are already as open and friendly as nearly any forum I have seen. Nearly every 'help me with a pool' gets at least a couple of quick responses, even at the busiest time. And to anyone who stays around longer than a prerelease, they are quickly and easily redirected to resources appropriate for their skill level. All in all, you guys are already doing an excellent job, and all I can say is to keep it up.
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Honestly I mainly go to these boards to read what Bataleur, Tahn, you, Sene and Phyrre etc. have to say about limited. Usually just end up sifting through a bunch of nonsense looking for some reasonable posts about limited because I get nothing out of articles on Channelfireball etc.
Something about the way you guys discuss this stuff makes more sense if that makes sense O_o
Not to kiss butt too much or anything, but regardless as to how much success you guys have had your posts help a lot.
In my first posts to the forum, I was ignorant to the nature of the community. It seemed like a forum that lacked activity. People would go there to brag, but rarely would anyone share any information of substance, as if they are withholding some next-level info to protect their chances of winning.
Personally, I have no hard feelings. For my purposes, my ideas about limited are good enough for me, but I've definitely learned that there is quality strategy information in the forum if you stick around and read a lot of different threads.
edit - Did that come of as harsh? Sorry. That was my perception of things. Death & Taxes alone seemed to get more activity than the limited forums, but I never saw anything substantial in the limited forums behind all the 'group drafts', which I always find difficult to read.
Y'all have a nice day, and you have my word that I won't pursue my reign of fervor on this forum with my novice advice.
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RRR Burn
WBU Affinity
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Next possible deck: D&T, but that just wouldn't be right.
Modern: R Goblins (work in progress)
Standard: I only care about standard when Goblins is a deck.
Limited: I only care about limited when Goblins are in the set.
Pauper:
RGoblins
URCloudpost
other decks
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Things usually slow down quite a bit a few weeks after a format has come out.
My Decks:
EDH: Sygg, River Cutthroat , Road to Scion
Grimgrin, Corpseborn
Modern: Polytokes
IRL: Progenitus Polymorph , Goblins
Just a friendly reminder that I will drive this car off a bridge
One thing is certain; this place is a lot more cordial than the rumor mill. I always get a kick out of seeing people sig statements a poster makes about how much a card is going to go for and that date that they said it. So, if Kalonian Hydra doesn't get to $40, you're going to do what exactly to the ignorant, misguided, dribbling fool that said so?
2nd most polite forum here next to Custom Card Creation... yeah, that place has a lot of nice people
This is kind of irrelevant, but I never interpreted such quoting as hostile. It's all in good fun to speculate on the power of cards far before they have made their impact. That's why I like the Rumor Mill, because there's no punishment for being wrong, but when you are wrong in the queues you get hit hard.
Of course, it is hard to always 100% understand someone's intent... this being the internet and all.