Maybe I missed the discussion, but how good do people think Gift of Immortality will be?
As a reminder:
2:symw:
Enchant creature
When enchanted creature dies, return that card to the battlefield under its owner's control. Return Gift of Immortality to the battlefield attached to that creature at the beginning of the next end step.
So unless your opponent has enough mana to kill the creature twice during the same turn, it will just keep coming back. If you use ETB/LTB creatures and a sac-outlet, even better.
A simple example would be Voice of Resurgence with Birthing Pod. Every turn you get to search for a 3cmc creature and put it onto the battlefield, get another */* token and a new VoR for 1:sympg:
But you don't need a sacrifice outlet, just having an eternal blocker with an upkeep/endstep ability could be good enough.
Yes, 3 mana and a card might be a lot, but the value you can get out of it seems well worth it.
I'm not sold on Tymaret in Dredge yet. DR was super powerful because you got to upgrade three 1/1s into an Iona and three Zombies for no mana. With Tymaret it's like, sac a Narcomoeba (1/1) or Bloodghast (2/1) to get a 2/2? For 2 mana? And you can't do it another time even if you have 1B more? That hardly strikes me as an efficient enabler.
And this isn't even considering Scavenging Ooze's impact on the deck.
I'm not sold on Tymaret in Dredge yet. DR was super powerful because you got to upgrade three 1/1s into an Iona and three Zombies for no mana. With Tymaret it's like, sac a Narcomoeba (1/1) or Bloodghast (2/1) to get a 2/2? For 2 mana? And you can't do it another time even if you have 1B more? That hardly strikes me as an efficient enabler.
And this isn't even considering Scavenging Ooze's impact on the deck.
You can now actually put Bridge from Below in the deck, so your 2/1 or flying 1/1 can now turn into 2+ Zombies...for 2 mana. Drowned Rusalka, old Extended tech, becomes more powerful in those builds.
Now, the real test is whether that Dredge deck can consistently race combo...
In Kiki-Pod, if you have a Pod and a Voice out you'd rather just combo off next turn (Pod into Exarch, untap Pod, go get a 4-drop persister). In Melira I don't know, but I believe your spells have to be truly stellar to justify running them over more creatures.
Maybe my example was chosen poorly. But to use your play example from Kiki-Pod: Sacrifice VoR to pod, search for Exarch, untap the pod, play gift on Exarch, sac Exarch, search for 4-drop, untap pod, sac 4-drop, search for 5-drop.
That would cost 6 mana and 6 life. If you already have Exarch you could play Gift, then sac it to get your 4-drop, Exarch back and pod ready to sac any of them, for 4 mana and 2 life.
However there may be another deck where it fits, or if Gift is powerful enough we could see a new deck (probably featuring Idyllic Tutor), since it protects your creatures the deck could be slower than others and still keep up on board presence if needed (have a creature with GoI on the battlefield, play a board wipe).
Viper's Kiss looks pretty cute. If anything, it makes DRS into the most pathetic little BoP that couldn't.
Priest of Iroas is... well, it's another Ranger of Eos target. I like the utility weenies though, and it's nice being able to just vomit out a lump sum of mana instead of waiting a turn to pay a tap cost. Just saying.
Nylea's Presence looks like a not-so-innocent card waiting for an undiscovered deck to call home.
Warrior's Lesson, meet Bogle deck. Bogle deck, meet Warrior's Lesson. Seriously hope I'm wrong on that, but Bogle has its card drawing issues without resorting to Spiritdancer filler.
Yeah, Viper's Kiss looks pretty hilarious as a restricted Pithing Needle that also kills X/1's like Vendilion Clique. No clue who would maindeck or sideboard it, though--maybe graveyard-abusing decks so they can Needle Deathrite and Ooze and keep tempo at bay?
I like Erebos. He's one of those cards you tell yourself to keep an eye on because being able to convert resources into cards can get you good mileage.
But at Modern level, he's kinda clunky and bloated.
I tried Erebos in Melira Pod. He was meh. Against red-splashing aggro/midrange decks, I couldn't really activate him more than twice or I got into Bolt range. He is fairly good against control, but he's way too slow against aggro, and I don't think he'll go online in time against combo.
He was so meh that I pulled him for another Voice of Resurgence. (Polukranos, World Eater stayed and Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx got another trial run.)
Hydra has got to fnd a home somewhere, blue is just a little to prevalent in modern these days.
Not sure if you were paying attention to the results (and you posted the comment before the event), but blue was probably (no deck lists for the "other" category) the most underrepresented color at GP Detroit. Perhaps that is going to be different on MTGO, but I would expect that will change a bit too.
But on the other hand I feel like the decks that want that effect are those that need really high threat density for those explosive starts(zoo). And it's made worse by the fact that it's a dead draw when you're behind.
I am not a huge aggro player, but a card that could draw you cards does not seem like that much of a dead draw. Though I suppose if you happen to have not creatures in play then it would be.
Though I suppose if you happen to have not creatures in play then it would be.
That was the implication. When an aggro player has an empty field they are behind. And having dead cards at that point exacerbates their already dire situation.
Not sure if you were paying attention to the results (and you posted the comment before the event), but blue was probably (no deck lists for the "other" category) the most underrepresented color at GP Detroit. Perhaps that is going to be different on MTGO, but I would expect that will change a bit too.
SHocking, but awesome news. On mtgo UWR tempo/midrange is the most common form of blue and its all over the place. Then you have your UW tempo/midrange, Blue tron and ye olde Splinter Twin. Sometimes you get the occasional merfolk too.
In dailies you have those decks + PoD, Burn, RG tron and Jund and affinity. Thats pretty much it. (?) Unless im forgetting something.
UW has sort of dropped off as a mainstay, more a pilot choice that is significantly weaker than UWR. Blue tron still hasn't been seen in paper that much which is strange considering how cheap it is.
Blue is really underrepresented in modern right now so the hydra probably won't see play.
This is one of the cards that I think will aid in the establishment of a new deck in modern. BUG control will love to see this guy. The big thing is the Awakening effect letting you drop threats and still keep up mana for disruption
I've been thinking about decklists and one idea I have considered is a BUG Mystical Teachings deck.
I've been thinking about decklists and one idea I have considered is a BUG Mystical Teachings deck.
You should be aware that the Teferi exploit doesn't work with Prophet.
Specifically, Teferi gives flash to all creature cards, including those in your deck. Thus you can tutor any creature with Teachings if Teferi is out. Prophet only says "as though they had flash" - it doesn't grant flash.
Actually a good amount of 5 drops in Modern (creature wise) die to bolt that see play
Lark, Shriekmaw, Kiki, Conscripts off the top of my head
Most of these are pod creatures, and regardless of whether they die, they all gain value in the face of removal. For Lark, it brings back 2 voice of resurgences or something similar if they bolt it.
In other words, not really a good comparison to a 2/3 that doesn't combo, and doesn't gain any value upon entering the battlefield.
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Most of these are pod creatures, and regardless of whether they die, they all gain value in the face of removal. For Lark, it brings back 2 voice of resurgences or something similar if they bolt it.
In other words, not really a good comparison to a 2/3 that doesn't combo, and doesn't gain any value upon entering the battlefield.
Never said the prophet was playable, just noting that there are 5 drops that are played that die to bolt
Mostly interested in Steam Augury and determining the correct amount in a control deck
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As a reminder:
2:symw:
Enchant creature
When enchanted creature dies, return that card to the battlefield under its owner's control. Return Gift of Immortality to the battlefield attached to that creature at the beginning of the next end step.
So unless your opponent has enough mana to kill the creature twice during the same turn, it will just keep coming back. If you use ETB/LTB creatures and a sac-outlet, even better.
A simple example would be Voice of Resurgence with Birthing Pod. Every turn you get to search for a 3cmc creature and put it onto the battlefield, get another */* token and a new VoR for 1:sympg:
But you don't need a sacrifice outlet, just having an eternal blocker with an upkeep/endstep ability could be good enough.
Yes, 3 mana and a card might be a lot, but the value you can get out of it seems well worth it.
And this isn't even considering Scavenging Ooze's impact on the deck.
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You can now actually put Bridge from Below in the deck, so your 2/1 or flying 1/1 can now turn into 2+ Zombies...for 2 mana. Drowned Rusalka, old Extended tech, becomes more powerful in those builds.
Now, the real test is whether that Dredge deck can consistently race combo...
Maybe my example was chosen poorly. But to use your play example from Kiki-Pod: Sacrifice VoR to pod, search for Exarch, untap the pod, play gift on Exarch, sac Exarch, search for 4-drop, untap pod, sac 4-drop, search for 5-drop.
That would cost 6 mana and 6 life. If you already have Exarch you could play Gift, then sac it to get your 4-drop, Exarch back and pod ready to sac any of them, for 4 mana and 2 life.
However there may be another deck where it fits, or if Gift is powerful enough we could see a new deck (probably featuring Idyllic Tutor), since it protects your creatures the deck could be slower than others and still keep up on board presence if needed (have a creature with GoI on the battlefield, play a board wipe).
Priest of Iroas is... well, it's another Ranger of Eos target. I like the utility weenies though, and it's nice being able to just vomit out a lump sum of mana instead of waiting a turn to pay a tap cost. Just saying.
Nylea's Presence looks like a not-so-innocent card waiting for an undiscovered deck to call home.
Warrior's Lesson, meet Bogle deck. Bogle deck, meet Warrior's Lesson. Seriously hope I'm wrong on that, but Bogle has its card drawing issues without resorting to Spiritdancer filler.
But at Modern level, he's kinda clunky and bloated.
He was so meh that I pulled him for another Voice of Resurgence. (Polukranos, World Eater stayed and Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx got another trial run.)
Lab Maniac smells a three dude combo...
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I am not a huge aggro player, but a card that could draw you cards does not seem like that much of a dead draw. Though I suppose if you happen to have not creatures in play then it would be.
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That was the implication. When an aggro player has an empty field they are behind. And having dead cards at that point exacerbates their already dire situation.
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Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
If you think it's worth it~.
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SHocking, but awesome news. On mtgo UWR tempo/midrange is the most common form of blue and its all over the place. Then you have your UW tempo/midrange, Blue tron and ye olde Splinter Twin. Sometimes you get the occasional merfolk too.
In dailies you have those decks + PoD, Burn, RG tron and Jund and affinity. Thats pretty much it. (?) Unless im forgetting something.
Blue is really underrepresented in modern right now so the hydra probably won't see play.
This is one of the cards that I think will aid in the establishment of a new deck in modern. BUG control will love to see this guy. The big thing is the Awakening effect letting you drop threats and still keep up mana for disruption
I've been thinking about decklists and one idea I have considered is a BUG Mystical Teachings deck.
2 Prophet of Kruphix
4 Deathrite Shaman
3 Snapcaster Mage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Vendilion Clique
Instants (22)
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Chord of Calling
2 Cryptic Command
2 Dimir Charm
1 Far // Away
1 Go for the Throat
1 Jace's Ingenuity
2 Mana Leak
2 Mystical Teachings
2 Shadow of Doubt
3 Spell Snare
2 Think Twice
1 Voidslime
2 Damnation
2 Maelstrom Pulse
Lands (24)
2 Breeding Pool
3 Creeping Tar Pit
2 Drowned Catacomb
3 Island
2 Forest
1 Hinterland Harbor
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Overgrown Tomb
3 Verdant Catacombs
1 Swamp
2 Watery Grave
I suppose RUG control could work as well, but that would probably be very similar to the UWR control minus the PTE.
What are your thoughts on this card and the possibility of a new deck?
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Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Not a lot that gets destroyed by the most common card in the meta.
You should be aware that the Teferi exploit doesn't work with Prophet.
Specifically, Teferi gives flash to all creature cards, including those in your deck. Thus you can tutor any creature with Teachings if Teferi is out. Prophet only says "as though they had flash" - it doesn't grant flash.
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Actually a good amount of 5 drops in Modern (creature wise) die to bolt that see play
Lark, Shriekmaw, Kiki, Conscripts off the top of my head
Paper: WUR Waffle Control, RG and U Tron
MTGO: U Tron, BRG Living End, B Infect
Testing Modern on MTGO and helping to craft decks on a Budget
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Hermit Druid Combo:
Most of these are pod creatures, and regardless of whether they die, they all gain value in the face of removal. For Lark, it brings back 2 voice of resurgences or something similar if they bolt it.
In other words, not really a good comparison to a 2/3 that doesn't combo, and doesn't gain any value upon entering the battlefield.
Never said the prophet was playable, just noting that there are 5 drops that are played that die to bolt
Mostly interested in Steam Augury and determining the correct amount in a control deck
Paper: WUR Waffle Control, RG and U Tron
MTGO: U Tron, BRG Living End, B Infect
Testing Modern on MTGO and helping to craft decks on a Budget
I stream!
Hermit Druid Combo: