Of course she did! As a Wizards employee she had the opportunity to submit before submissions were even open to the public! From the article:"it was the concept name for the card, included with the art description written by Jennifer Clarke Wilkes"
Wrong.
Correct.
*sigh* Yes, she came up with the playtest name of "Waste Not" - however, during the voting for an actual name, so many people liked that name enough to submit it as a naming suggestion that it was chosen to be one of the names voted on.
And if by "wrong" you mean that "not all of us were given the opportunity to be involved", sure, you are right, as the voting and submissions were restricted to the US. But let's be fair here - is that any different from previous YMTCs? Everyone who had the opportunity to submit and vote, who knew to do so, and who wanted to do so, left their input, which led to the creation of this card. Yes, the vote counting sucked. But no, this does not mean that this card was not community designed, nor does it mean that this YMTC was a waste of time.
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(calling it now; there will be a cycle of Legendary dual lands with Basic Land types in Theros block)
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Would this have been too abusable if it said "player" instead of "opponent"?
If it said player... Imagine the power of cycling, or transmute with it. As well as cards like Skirge Familiar and Psychatog. Or even (shudder) One with Nothing.
It would be a combo deck that only required 1 card to enter play, with a 2 cc.
Hi all, Pox player here. Copying pasting my recent post in the Pox forums where I proxied 3 x Waste Not in place of two Cursed Scrolls and one Infernal Tutor. Deck was played against a couple of other legacy decks.
I still am not sure what to think of it to be honest. Deck and thoughts below:
-It's only really effective before topdeck mode and during the disruption phase. At first I thought that I would want to prioritize disruption cards over WN always, but it turns out that WN is sometimes worth the delayed sinkhole or even hymn.
-When cast early, the cantrip and mana effect of WN is the most desirable. It works very well with Hymn. For example if Hymn takes out a land and a sorcery - this led to me drawing and casting sinkhole.
-The synergy of Liliana and WN is also very nice at the start.
-Now the problems: during topdeck mode, the value of WN is drastically decreased unless I have a nether void in play and am able to keep the opponent mana screwed. At this point, you can argue that the Pox player has already "won", thus WN seems winmore. In any other case, the opponent can practically cast every card he/she draws for that turn.
-Since I proxied out the cursed scrolls and infernal tutor for the WNs, it was obvious at some points that if the cursed scroll was not a proxied WN, then the scroll would be helping out with board control against creatures already in play.
In summary, it seems to have potential - but only in the start. The 2cc is a huge deal as it doesn't delay the disruption tactics too much, but I think the real challenge would be finding a place for it in the deck where all cards are already considered "must haves".
I would not want to put it in at the expense of nether void, cursed scroll and crucible. Infernal Tutor is a grey area since that card saved many a game for me. Anyway, thoughts are most welcome.
*sigh* Yes, she came up with the playtest name of "Waste Not" - however, during the voting for an actual name, so many people liked that name enough to submit it as a naming suggestion that it was chosen to be one of the names voted on.
*sigh*. Please point me to where Ethan Fleischer made it clear that names chosen by the community would be bundled with names chosen by Wizards Creative Team employees, without telling us which was which.
I can't say I'm surprised by the hateful comments, most of the people here seem to be a bunch of spoiled, ungrateful whiners. Just because you didn't get another broken black enchantment doesn't mean you need to dismiss it like it's utter garbage.
I can't say I'm surprised by the hateful comments, most of the people here seem to be a bunch of spoiled, ungrateful whiners. Just because you didn't get another broken black enchantment doesn't mean you need to dismiss it like it's utter garbage.
We're actually dismissing it as utter garbage because it's kind of bad, not due to being "spoiled".
Obviously you were not there when they made Crucible of Worlds or you would not be so happy with this enchantment. Ymtc cards are supposed to the combined work of the fans. So it should cater to everyone. The first catered to green players as it was a versatile creature. The second catered to anyone who sacked lands and wanted to play them. Retrace and cycling come to mind. The third was admittedly not as open as the others but people did complain about that one too. This one only works for discard decks, thats like making a mono-white enchantment that is only playable in life gain decks.
Waste Not only caters for black discard players. That is the problem.
That and how it took too much effort to make this card even though they removed alot of our choices. We weren't allowed to choose colourless/multi, we weren't allowed to have hybrid enchantments (Like the enchantment creatures) and we weren't allowed to choose the artist. We weren't even allowed to choose the flavor of the card. That sucks.
I've been saying that since the first revote where Wizards affiliates got an extra week to hype enchantments enough that wizards could push land off the spot even if it had the most votes and make it look like it was our choice.
If we had wanted enchantment in the first place, we would have chose it. We would not spring surprise revotes up without even warning anyone about it before the first vote.'
Oh and we would have checked to make sure everything in the top 8 was legal choices, and not have to throw out any of the top 8.
This card is awesome. I don't care what anyone says. At 1B, it's very playable.
EDIT: Also, comparing it to Crucible of Worlds based on how many decks can use it is just completely unfair. Crucible is colorless. Any deck can play that. Getting a black card may not please non-black players, but that doesn't make it a waste. It's got a suite of awesome effects that will greatly benefit discard strategies.
This card is awesome. I don't care what anyone says. At 1B, it's very playable.
EDIT: Also, comparing it to Crucible of Worlds based on how many decks can use it is just completely unfair. Crucible is colorless. Any deck can play that. Getting a black card may not please non-black players, but that doesn't make it a waste. It's got a suite of awesome effects that will greatly benefit discard strategies.
Playable in *what*? The black discard shell doesn't have room for it. Post a list where you think it's "very playable."
The second catered to anyone who sacked lands and wanted to play them. Retrace and cycling come to mind.
It would be folly to think that Crucible was designed targeting the people who wanted to abuse land recursion. In fact, Wizards did not even fathom it could be happening when they were printing it. It was designed as a totally casual way to counter land destruction (a totally casual strategy already by then). Should they anticipate it being used in competitive decks in constructed and actually being a build around card for certain strategies they would have probably costed it at cmc 6 or above.
In fact the success of Crucible is only due to wizards not caring about their contest to such a degree that they did not bother to check if their new 'casual ld counter' card is going to be used ANYWHERE. They just defaulted it to a trash casual rare status and were done with it. No thought process, no analysis, nothing. Can't be bothered with that on an overhyped fan contest, I guess.
Curves into Liliana of the Veil? I don't mind turning Hymn, or Thoughtseize into card advantage either. This is one of those cards that it's hard to judge its playability right away. Honestly, I love the thought of Hymning my opponent off of this, hitting a land and a creature...then casting another Hymn off the BB...and if we're lucky it'll be in standard with Sire of Insanity for a bit.
Uh any pox list in legacy pretty much will make room for this.
And its a shoe-in for any POX spin off in modern once more cards like this become available for modern.
Probably not, actually.
As far as legacy viability goes, this card is a trading post style card. It promises to do everything but it doesn't really do anything.
By turn 3 or so your opponent is probably in top deck mode, and then you feel like an idiot for playing this card, when you could be playing what you took out to make it work. (MB pox, at least, has a VERY strict 75, anything you add in will by default be taking out a vital piece).
This card is a trap, pure and simple. Anyone who plays heavy discard can tell you this will give you an early game boost (that you don't care about) and fall off late game (when you actually need it)
and finally, it's a horrendous topdeck.
Please, could people not just say: "This card says x so it'll be good in a deck that has x"?
Remember Primeval Bounty? That card keeps control of the results in the hands of the caster, and generally never goes dead. Can't say the same for Waste Not, and rarely was a card more ironically-named.
As Rebels/Mercenaries, among other pairings, has taught us -- just because a card has an opposite doesn't mean one should be printed.
I take it you don't play legacy because pox is a horrible tier 4 legacy deck.
Tier 4? No, tier 4 decks don't top 16 Star City. It's Tier 2-3, hanging out with decks like Dragon Stompy and Mono-Red Burn. It can put a good fight and even place well in tournaments, but it's a deck that's waiting for a few more cards to be printed to push it up to tier 1.5 territory.
*sigh* Yes, she came up with the playtest name of "Waste Not" - however, during the voting for an actual name, so many people liked that name enough to submit it as a naming suggestion that it was chosen to be one of the names voted on.
And if by "wrong" you mean that "not all of us were given the opportunity to be involved", sure, you are right, as the voting and submissions were restricted to the US. But let's be fair here - is that any different from previous YMTCs? Everyone who had the opportunity to submit and vote, who knew to do so, and who wanted to do so, left their input, which led to the creation of this card. Yes, the vote counting sucked. But no, this does not mean that this card was not community designed, nor does it mean that this YMTC was a waste of time.
43/111, approximately 39% complete. Over a third done.
(calling it now; there will be a cycle of Legendary dual lands with Basic Land types in Theros block)
... AAAAAAAAND I was wrong
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If it said player... Imagine the power of cycling, or transmute with it. As well as cards like Skirge Familiar and Psychatog. Or even (shudder) One with Nothing.
It would be a combo deck that only required 1 card to enter play, with a 2 cc.
I'd love input and advice!
No, the design submissions were restricted to the US and Canada, but not the voting.
But, am I insane for thinking this might be a viable sideboard card? against dredge in particular? obvious RiP is better but this isnt shabby...
It does nothing vs. dredge since using that mechanic isn't the same as discarding cards.
I still am not sure what to think of it to be honest. Deck and thoughts below:
1 Crucible of Worlds
Black Spells
4 Dark Ritual
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
4 Sinkhole
4 Smallpox
4 Innocent Blood
3 Waste Not
2 Nether Void
4 Liliana of the Veil
Lands
1 Bojuka Bog
2 Rishadan Port
4 Mishras Factory
4 Wasteland
4 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
11 Swamp
-It's only really effective before topdeck mode and during the disruption phase. At first I thought that I would want to prioritize disruption cards over WN always, but it turns out that WN is sometimes worth the delayed sinkhole or even hymn.
-When cast early, the cantrip and mana effect of WN is the most desirable. It works very well with Hymn. For example if Hymn takes out a land and a sorcery - this led to me drawing and casting sinkhole.
-The synergy of Liliana and WN is also very nice at the start.
-Now the problems: during topdeck mode, the value of WN is drastically decreased unless I have a nether void in play and am able to keep the opponent mana screwed. At this point, you can argue that the Pox player has already "won", thus WN seems winmore. In any other case, the opponent can practically cast every card he/she draws for that turn.
-Since I proxied out the cursed scrolls and infernal tutor for the WNs, it was obvious at some points that if the cursed scroll was not a proxied WN, then the scroll would be helping out with board control against creatures already in play.
In summary, it seems to have potential - but only in the start. The 2cc is a huge deal as it doesn't delay the disruption tactics too much, but I think the real challenge would be finding a place for it in the deck where all cards are already considered "must haves".
I would not want to put it in at the expense of nether void, cursed scroll and crucible. Infernal Tutor is a grey area since that card saved many a game for me. Anyway, thoughts are most welcome.
*sigh*. Please point me to where Ethan Fleischer made it clear that names chosen by the community would be bundled with names chosen by Wizards Creative Team employees, without telling us which was which.
That being the point here.
That's right. We weren't involed. No group was completely involved, as noted above.
This exercise was closer to the "You Choose the Card" they used to do for Core Sets than to the "You Make the Card" It was billed as.
We didn't make the card.
Some of us had the opportunity to make bits of the card. That was all. If you're happy with that, great.
Actually, that's exactly what that means.
We're actually dismissing it as utter garbage because it's kind of bad, not due to being "spoiled".
It's almost like we didn't have a choice at all.
I've been saying that since the first revote where Wizards affiliates got an extra week to hype enchantments enough that wizards could push land off the spot even if it had the most votes and make it look like it was our choice.
If we had wanted enchantment in the first place, we would have chose it. We would not spring surprise revotes up without even warning anyone about it before the first vote.'
Oh and we would have checked to make sure everything in the top 8 was legal choices, and not have to throw out any of the top 8.
What card goes in every deck? All I can think of is like, ancestral recall and the moxen. And black lotus.
EDIT: Also, comparing it to Crucible of Worlds based on how many decks can use it is just completely unfair. Crucible is colorless. Any deck can play that. Getting a black card may not please non-black players, but that doesn't make it a waste. It's got a suite of awesome effects that will greatly benefit discard strategies.
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Playable in *what*? The black discard shell doesn't have room for it. Post a list where you think it's "very playable."
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They still need to discard from their initial hand. Zombies tokens give you a way to interact with Bridge... etc etc.
It would be folly to think that Crucible was designed targeting the people who wanted to abuse land recursion. In fact, Wizards did not even fathom it could be happening when they were printing it. It was designed as a totally casual way to counter land destruction (a totally casual strategy already by then). Should they anticipate it being used in competitive decks in constructed and actually being a build around card for certain strategies they would have probably costed it at cmc 6 or above.
In fact the success of Crucible is only due to wizards not caring about their contest to such a degree that they did not bother to check if their new 'casual ld counter' card is going to be used ANYWHERE. They just defaulted it to a trash casual rare status and were done with it. No thought process, no analysis, nothing. Can't be bothered with that on an overhyped fan contest, I guess.
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Probably not, actually.
As far as legacy viability goes, this card is a trading post style card. It promises to do everything but it doesn't really do anything.
By turn 3 or so your opponent is probably in top deck mode, and then you feel like an idiot for playing this card, when you could be playing what you took out to make it work. (MB pox, at least, has a VERY strict 75, anything you add in will by default be taking out a vital piece).
This card is a trap, pure and simple. Anyone who plays heavy discard can tell you this will give you an early game boost (that you don't care about) and fall off late game (when you actually need it)
and finally, it's a horrendous topdeck.
Please, could people not just say: "This card says x so it'll be good in a deck that has x"?
Not really. I think you're thinking of the Zendikar quests, rather than the Worldwake ones.
Remember Primeval Bounty? That card keeps control of the results in the hands of the caster, and generally never goes dead. Can't say the same for Waste Not, and rarely was a card more ironically-named.
As Rebels/Mercenaries, among other pairings, has taught us -- just because a card has an opposite doesn't mean one should be printed.
I take it you don't play legacy because pox is a horrible tier 4 legacy deck.
Tier 4? No, tier 4 decks don't top 16 Star City. It's Tier 2-3, hanging out with decks like Dragon Stompy and Mono-Red Burn. It can put a good fight and even place well in tournaments, but it's a deck that's waiting for a few more cards to be printed to push it up to tier 1.5 territory.
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