I am super excited for this set. I want to see remand reprint but i also want to see thoughtseize too. I can see the double green 5/5 being a very restrictive card. This creature cant attack or block unless you control two or more enchantments?
Didn't MaRo say there'd be Elspeth and two NEW planeswalkers that we hadn't seen before? I think that rules out Vraska until at least Born of the Gods or Journey into Nyx.
I would like to point out that Dreadbore has five words, and while I think it would be an odd choice to reprint for several reasons, we could theoretically see something similar. Also, he doesn't say it has exactly five words of rules text.
I am kind of amazed at [...] the fact that somebody on this thread called Mind's Eye, Mirari's Wake, Decree of Pain, Desertion, AND Scroll Rack, all before they were officially spoiled. I will edit this post VERY shortly with the username of this user who deserves at least all of the cookies. Probably more cookies than that.
The Hundred-Handed Ones or Hekatonkheires are probably the most badass creatures in Ancient Greek Mythology. Born at the beginning of time, by the union of Gaea (the Earth) and Ouranous (the Sky) the three Hundred-Handed Ones were the literal embodiment of primal storms and the older brothers of the Cyclopes who forged Zeus's lightning bolts. When their father saw them, he feared their power and monstrous appearance (having 50 heads and 100 hands) so much that he banished them to Tatarous, the deepest, darkest corner of the underworld. However they were freed when Kronos (master of time and father of the 6 original Olympians) killed Ouranous and seized power. When the Olympian gods revolted against the Titans, the Hekatonkheires sided with Zeus (although some accounts say that some of the brothers sided with Kronos). Generally it is accounted that they were physically stronger than even the gods, if mentally slower, and that threw large rocks (by some accounts whole mountains) at the titans during the final battle. Some accounts go as far as to say that the Hekatonkheires were instrumental in Zeus overthrowing Kronos.
If the Hundred-Handed Ones are based off their mythological selves they are likely to be among the only creatures more powerful than the gods themselves (at least in terms of raw P/T). My guess it they will be at least a 7/7 red giant creature who has a monstrosity ability which interacts with the lands you control and perhaps an ability which lets you sac lands to do bad things to opponents. Either way I really hope they are as awesome as their mythological selves (in an entirely Timmy they should be HUGE kind of way :D).
Modern storm is instant-speed? EtW is a sorcery, Dragonstorm is a sorcery, Tendrils is a sorcery, The 1R 1 damage storm is a sorcery... what's an instant win cond for storm? Honestly asking because i don't know how modern storm win.
Also creature has to attack and not be blocked... on a 1/1 that's crap, especially with DRS around. I'm pretty sure such a card wouldn't be even played, especially after DRS and Goyf, two cards that managed to kill even Lackey.
There is a second main phase after the attack phase.
If the saboteur effect is Black Lotus,
you will be able to cast anything with the mana,
not just Instants.
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Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
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Just food for thought, MaRo has "No Comment" on Remand. I know it doesn't really mean anything, but it's different than his usual "Maybe. : )" response.
It's important to note he said that in response to "will we ever see a reprint of Remand?"
which includes products like FtV and MM.
I doubt that's a hint it will be in Theros, but I'd love to be wrong.
Thing is, "Remand" is a legal term, and I doubt Theros' courts are anywhere near as prominent as Ravnica's.
This same problem extends to many other planes- Mercadia is the only other place to have prominent courts, as far as I remember.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
There is a second main phase after the attack phase.
If the saboteur effect is Black Lotus,
you will be able to cast anything with the mana,
not just Instants.
Mana empties from mana pools at the end of each phase, so, it would empty at the end of the combat phase. No main phase mana for you.
Just food for thought, MaRo has "No Comment" on Remand. I know it doesn't really mean anything, but it's different than his usual "Maybe. : )" response.
I was reading his tumblr and he said "maybe :)" to the card being black that could have been in modern masters. But for all we know he could be trolling and put in plague beetle or something dumb like that.
Memory lapse is more powerful than remand I would say. Lapse is better lategame so they can't just recast the spell and early game it denies their draw. Remand is also too good though, oh dear lord the control mirrors...would last the entire round for the first game with remand in the format. It's also just good as a tempo card and if the format slows down remand is even better as a psuedo time walk.
I hope they do the trojan horse right or at least make it cool. Same with all the other mythology tropes like in innistrad. I know some mythology having taken the class in high school at least.
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Mana empties from mana pools at the end of each phase, so, it would empty at the end of the combat phase. No main phase mana for you.
True- I was assuming we were talking about a version which adds the mana during your post-combat main phase, as has been mentioned in this thread,
but I should have been specific about that.
I still think (and hope) it will be a Timetwister effect.
Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind loves those.
If it is, I'm betting the creature itself is also shuffled in,
as Timetwister every turn is a big no-no.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
From the wikipedia page on the Hundred Handed Ones, I wonder if this is not a type or name in actual use at all -- it sounds like there would be at least four beings representing the "elements" i.e. very much suited for a cycle in different colors. They also sound like EXACTLY what Borborygmos Enraged was based on, so I wonder if they will be a cycle of 4 in this block. That would be a little awkward...
In any case I enjoy the flavor of an XUG Chimera that absorbs other creatures, maybe that will show up elsewhere.
For that 3/3 with Fate counters....O-stone anyone? Maybe it'll be back as the Modern Masters possible card? It is a board wipe that can take out enchantments, even if it is too expensive to run in standard.
By that logic no card could be a saboteur Time walk on a stick since time walk also doesn't say "as an additional cost deal combat damage". Something having a saboteur effect preclude it from having a drawback. Wanderwine Prophets or the new card could just as easily be templated to require a merfolk/creature to be sacrificed to attack, untap or at the beginning of the upkeep. To some things up Wanderwine Prophets is a saboteur timewalk, and even if you want to make silly little sematic arguments against it it doesn't change the fact that you can have a saboteur timewalk creature with out it being broken.
That doesn't follow. The creature has to do something to get the effect, and dealing combat damage to a player is the best way to do it, not to mention that Maro said that that's how it's repeatable. That's why I'm saying Dragon Mage is Wheel of Fortune but Wanderwine Prophets isn't Time Walk. Yes, they both have to deal combat damage to a player, but having to do other stuff to get it (sacrificing a creature) shouldn't count as the card. It's the difference between Infernal Plunge and Dark Ritual (besides color). One sees play in legacy and the other doesn't. And I think you mean "To sum things up".
I still think (and hope) it will be a Timetwister effect.
Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind loves those.
If it is, I'm betting the creature itself is also shuffled in,
as Timetwister every turn is a big no-no.
I think you and I have different definitons of no-no. Where you say no-no, I say HELL YEAH!
And Zac Hill has straight up said it is too good to reprint.
And Sam Stoddard has too.
The card is obnoxious, it does not belong in standard.
They won't reprint memory lapse either.
It was an obnoxious card while Ravnica was legal in standard, but we live in an entirely different world now. I can name at least a dozen standard legal cards that would have been just as obnoxious if printed in that era.
Remand would be the perfect foil to all those mid-range "kill me now or lose" creatures that seem to infest recent sets.
Memory Lapse is way too good though and I agree it will never be reprinted.
Hinder would actually be a decent replacement for Cancel (always crap in standard). It's completely fair. I don't know why we keep getting crappy Cancel every year instead.
It was an obnoxious card while Ravnica was legal in standard, but we live in an entirely different world now. I can name at least a dozen standard legal cards that would have been just as obnoxious if printed in that era.
Remand would be the perfect foil to all those mid-range "kill me now or lose" creatures that seem to infest recent sets.
Memory Lapse is way too good though and I agree it will never be reprinted.
Hinder would actually be a decent replacement for Cancel (always crap in standard). It's completely fair. I don't know why we keep getting crappy Cancel every year instead.
I would love to see a remand reprint, and I think people who are against it maybe just hate control. Also, Modern could use this reprinted.
- A 3/3 with three abilities that uses fate counters
This could be the Three Fates. They've done triplets as a single card before, why not three similar beings?
- Multiple cards with the word "nongorgon"
Oh, yes. Oh my, yes. My Damia EDH deck is tingling with excitement.
- A high-profile cycle of legendary permanents that are not creatures or lands
It's been said before, and I agree with Bident and friends
- A rare card with five words of rules text in which one of the words is "planeswalker"
REGENERATE target creature or planeswalker? . . . I mean, it kind of fits the hero thing, in my opinion
- An artifact creature that appears to be a big horse made out of wood
To quote one of my favourite movies, "Look, if we build this large, wooden badger . . . "
- A 5/5 giant snake that can be cast for :symg::symg:
Maybe something relating back to the gorgons again? Medusa had snakes, maybe this "costs 1 less for each Gorgon you control."
- A multicolor Minotaur lord
Because Zedruu, and Tanny were getting lonely.
- A card that could have been in Modern Masters
Holy Thoughtseize-bandwagon, Batman! This could actually be anything from 8th Edition to just before Zendikar. Anything. About all it really confirms is we're getting a direct reprint of a card from that period. I'm going to go way out in left field and hope for AEther Snap, because even obscure EDH cards need some love.
- A giant that brings fire to humans
. . . . Moonveil Dragon, but more like "R: Humans you control get +1/+0 until end of turn" ?
- A creature with a saboteur ability (it has an effect if the creature deals combat damage to an opponent) which is one of the Power Nine
Again, this could be anything. Wanderwine Prophets, Somberwald Sage, Sphinx of Lost Truths, they all reference Power 9 in some form, and all had their applicable decks they functioned well in . . . some decks were obviously stronger than others, but Wizards has admitted time and again the FFL isn't perfect.
. . .
With that out of the way, I'm really looking forward to new gorgons, pegasii, and krakens; I'll withhold judgement on the nymphs until I see more of them, but I have high hopes for some really exceptional art for them.
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Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Except the actual template on an Aura is 'You control enchanted Planeswalker.' 4 words.
If its an instant or sorcery it could go as "Gain control of target planeswalker" I know it doesnt fit with the enchantment theme but it would be a nice card for esper control that struggles with walkers. It'd have to be at least 5cmc tho
I feel like the Hundred Handed One is going to be a card with Monstrosity on it.
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5 words.
The Hundred-Handed Ones or Hekatonkheires are probably the most badass creatures in Ancient Greek Mythology. Born at the beginning of time, by the union of Gaea (the Earth) and Ouranous (the Sky) the three Hundred-Handed Ones were the literal embodiment of primal storms and the older brothers of the Cyclopes who forged Zeus's lightning bolts. When their father saw them, he feared their power and monstrous appearance (having 50 heads and 100 hands) so much that he banished them to Tatarous, the deepest, darkest corner of the underworld. However they were freed when Kronos (master of time and father of the 6 original Olympians) killed Ouranous and seized power. When the Olympian gods revolted against the Titans, the Hekatonkheires sided with Zeus (although some accounts say that some of the brothers sided with Kronos). Generally it is accounted that they were physically stronger than even the gods, if mentally slower, and that threw large rocks (by some accounts whole mountains) at the titans during the final battle. Some accounts go as far as to say that the Hekatonkheires were instrumental in Zeus overthrowing Kronos.
If the Hundred-Handed Ones are based off their mythological selves they are likely to be among the only creatures more powerful than the gods themselves (at least in terms of raw P/T). My guess it they will be at least a 7/7 red giant creature who has a monstrosity ability which interacts with the lands you control and perhaps an ability which lets you sac lands to do bad things to opponents. Either way I really hope they are as awesome as their mythological selves (in an entirely Timmy they should be HUGE kind of way :D).
There is a second main phase after the attack phase.
If the saboteur effect is Black Lotus,
you will be able to cast anything with the mana,
not just Instants.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Link: http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/58938717674/whats-the-deal-with-not-printing-a-lot-of-stuff-that
which includes products like FtV and MM.
I doubt that's a hint it will be in Theros, but I'd love to be wrong.
Thing is, "Remand" is a legal term, and I doubt Theros' courts are anywhere near as prominent as Ravnica's.
This same problem extends to many other planes- Mercadia is the only other place to have prominent courts, as far as I remember.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Mana empties from mana pools at the end of each phase, so, it would empty at the end of the combat phase. No main phase mana for you.
And Zac Hill has straight up said it is too good to reprint.
And Sam Stoddard has too.
The card is obnoxious, it does not belong in standard.
They won't reprint memory lapse either.
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Memory lapse is more powerful than remand I would say. Lapse is better lategame so they can't just recast the spell and early game it denies their draw. Remand is also too good though, oh dear lord the control mirrors...would last the entire round for the first game with remand in the format. It's also just good as a tempo card and if the format slows down remand is even better as a psuedo time walk.
I hope they do the trojan horse right or at least make it cool. Same with all the other mythology tropes like in innistrad. I know some mythology having taken the class in high school at least.
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True- I was assuming we were talking about a version which adds the mana during your post-combat main phase, as has been mentioned in this thread,
but I should have been specific about that.
I still think (and hope) it will be a Timetwister effect.
Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind loves those.
If it is, I'm betting the creature itself is also shuffled in,
as Timetwister every turn is a big no-no.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
In any case I enjoy the flavor of an XUG Chimera that absorbs other creatures, maybe that will show up elsewhere.
I wonder if that means we'll have "Enchant Planeswalker" or if it will be an instant.
How To Keep Your FOIL Cards From Curling: http://youtu.be/QTmubrS8VnI
The Best Deck Boxes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEwgLph_Pjk
The Best Binders: http://youtu.be/H5IauASYWjk
BGW Doran, the Siege Tower BGW
URG Animar, Combo Player URG (needs updating)
WBR Kaalia of the Vast WBR
I think you and I have different definitons of no-no. Where you say no-no, I say HELL YEAH!
Niv-Mizzet Ramp 'n' Wheel
Godo: Strap him up and turn him sideways!
It was an obnoxious card while Ravnica was legal in standard, but we live in an entirely different world now. I can name at least a dozen standard legal cards that would have been just as obnoxious if printed in that era.
Remand would be the perfect foil to all those mid-range "kill me now or lose" creatures that seem to infest recent sets.
Memory Lapse is way too good though and I agree it will never be reprinted.
Hinder would actually be a decent replacement for Cancel (always crap in standard). It's completely fair. I don't know why we keep getting crappy Cancel every year instead.
I would love to see a remand reprint, and I think people who are against it maybe just hate control. Also, Modern could use this reprinted.
How To Keep Your FOIL Cards From Curling: http://youtu.be/QTmubrS8VnI
The Best Deck Boxes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEwgLph_Pjk
The Best Binders: http://youtu.be/H5IauASYWjk
Except the actual template on an Aura is 'You control enchanted Planeswalker.' 4 words.
- Multiple cards with the word "nongorgon"
Oh, yes. Oh my, yes. My Damia EDH deck is tingling with excitement.
- A high-profile cycle of legendary permanents that are not creatures or lands
It's been said before, and I agree with Bident and friends
- A rare card with five words of rules text in which one of the words is "planeswalker"
REGENERATE target creature or planeswalker? . . . I mean, it kind of fits the hero thing, in my opinion
- An artifact creature that appears to be a big horse made out of wood
To quote one of my favourite movies, "Look, if we build this large, wooden badger . . . "
- A 5/5 giant snake that can be cast for :symg::symg:
Maybe something relating back to the gorgons again? Medusa had snakes, maybe this "costs 1 less for each Gorgon you control."
- A multicolor Minotaur lord
Because Zedruu, and Tanny were getting lonely.
- A card that could have been in Modern Masters
Holy Thoughtseize-bandwagon, Batman! This could actually be anything from 8th Edition to just before Zendikar. Anything. About all it really confirms is we're getting a direct reprint of a card from that period. I'm going to go way out in left field and hope for AEther Snap, because even obscure EDH cards need some love.
- A giant that brings fire to humans
. . . . Moonveil Dragon, but more like "R: Humans you control get +1/+0 until end of turn" ?
- A creature with a saboteur ability (it has an effect if the creature deals combat damage to an opponent) which is one of the Power Nine
Again, this could be anything. Wanderwine Prophets, Somberwald Sage, Sphinx of Lost Truths, they all reference Power 9 in some form, and all had their applicable decks they functioned well in . . . some decks were obviously stronger than others, but Wizards has admitted time and again the FFL isn't perfect.
. . .
With that out of the way, I'm really looking forward to new gorgons, pegasii, and krakens; I'll withhold judgement on the nymphs until I see more of them, but I have high hopes for some really exceptional art for them.
And seaponies! Shoo bee doo bee doo!
LOL- I actually feel the same as you on that matter.
Unfortunately, WotC does not, which is why pretty much every Timetwister variant exiles itself.
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
If its an instant or sorcery it could go as "Gain control of target planeswalker" I know it doesnt fit with the enchantment theme but it would be a nice card for esper control that struggles with walkers. It'd have to be at least 5cmc tho
Here's my list: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=9988911#post9988911