Prices have exploded online in the last 6-8 weeks.
These are all loosely based on precrash starting levels:
Liliana is up 10 tix - 23%
Karn Liberated is up 10 tix - 32%
Griselbrand up 7 tix - 39%
Batterskull - up 6 tix - 27%
Craterhoof Behemoth - up 4 tix - 55%
Spellskite up 4 tix - 50%
Mox Opal is up 6 tix - 15%
Primeval Titan is up 7 tix - 53%
Fulminator Mage is up 10 tix - 40%
Hurkyl's Recall is up 6 tix - 35%
Disrupting shoal is up like a billion percent.
And these are just the high dollar staples.
The only cards on the list that are rising due to brand new decks are Shoal and maybe primeval titan.
All other price hikes are probably in anticipation of the summer modern season.
So i'm assuming somebody is dumping a lot of cash into format staples with the goal of getting out when the modern season peaks in 6-7 months.
Probably multiple somebodies and why not? Seems like a pretty solid plan.
I have a hallowed fountain from dissension. Should I sell it now or hold on to it and hope for its price to go up in a couple of years?
It's a win-win either way. On one side, the prices of first Ravnica shocklands have stabilized so your Hallowed Fountain is probably going to remain the price it is currently at. However, once Return to Ravnica rotates, the prices will drop in the short term because they will no longer be in Standard, but they will go back up once Return to Ravnica stops being printed and demand will still gradually go up because of Modern. So basically, the old Ravnica shocklands have pretty much stabilized in price, BUT, there is a chance that they will go up in price a while after Return to Ravnica rotates.
Fulminator Mage has always been a weirdly expensive card, IMO. Craterhoof Behemoth is weird too because Elves is firmly tier 2.5. I'm still waiting for my 25 extra Swan Songs to spike...lol.
Prices online are totally stupid because of redemption, redeeming 1 of the rare cards of each set (rare when mythics didn't exist, now mythics) per every non-rare/mythic, making the d4mn mtgo bottleneck wizards will never fix.
Thanks for the help guys, I'll probably try to buy more shocklands if I can get them at a good price (I'm going to use them anyway).
Would they be the best card to invest in after RTR rotation? Since they're used a lot in modern format.
I know deathrite shaman is played in modern but I don't see that cards price spiking up after rotation.
Deathrite is huge in modern and legacy so he isn't a bad long term spec target. I think he will follow a trend similar to snapcaster mage or noble hierarch. Shocks are a strong investment, especially right now while you can get them for $10ish a piece. By the end of theros they will go up and I'm not certain rotation will make them drop lower then their current price.
Prices online are totally stupid because of redemption, redeeming 1 of the rare cards of each set (rare when mythics didn't exist, now mythics) per every non-rare/mythic, making the d4mn mtgo bottleneck wizards will never fix.
The upside is that cards that cannot be redeemed are disproportionately cheaper often. You can get really great prices on promos or special set printings a lot of the time.
Fulminators are expensive because living end plays 4 and is arguably alteady the cheapest tier 1 deck. This creates a lot of demand and the other cards are worth nothing. This allows stores to gourge the price of fulms.
I remember when i first built my jund like a year ago and turned down a playset for £30... Last month i got my playset or £80... *sigh*
Yea, though they have always been cards that I looked at the price and went "huh?" Even before LE was getting traction. Now that LE is a popular tier 1.5 deck I understand why, but I still think it is weird.
DRS may spike with the growing Force that is elves in Legacy. Keep in mind, the two formats do have quite the crossover.
Post rotation I expect DRS to end up at the same level as snapcaster and noble hierarch. He will drop immediately after rotation and be a solid pick up imo.
Post rotation I expect DRS to end up at the same level as snapcaster and noble hierarch. He will drop immediately after rotation and be a solid pick up imo.
I thought that cards only dropped after rotation if they were played in Standard.
All of them tend to drop a little bit, at least a buck or two.
DRS might be the exception to the rule considering it's already existing legacy and modern demand compared to it's minimal standard demand. I think it's stable given standard demand and will remain stable through rotation. It will then steadily rise until a reprint or banning.
I'm more inclined to think they'll reprint the allied fetches in m15 rather than a zendikar fetches reprint during this 2014 (I think this is the reason they moved the Modern season to summer, so that the shocks and the fecthes both in standard don't represent a problem during the summer).
Anyhow, prices of the existing ones will drop.
I'm more inclined to think they'll reprint the allied fetches in m15 rather than a zendikar fetches reprint during this 2014 (I think this is the reason they moved the Modern season to summer, so that the shocks and the fecthes both in standard don't represent a problem during the summer).
Anyhow, prices of the existing ones will drop.
I doubt that they will do this, but I hope that they will. If they did, Standard players would have to get full Modern manabases. Then, after rotation, more of them would start playing Modern because they will have paid for most of it already.
I actually think it would be a great move by wizards. Think about it. Give standard access to perfect mana for 3 months. Let current standard players now have a real way to port into modern. Now they'll play both formats, and buy cards for both. Win-win.
Not that I'm saying it will happen, I have a hunch and think its sound business.
It's not like Deathrite does much of anything in Standard or anything as is.
He's kinda just a lamer Grim Lavamancer without having his manadork powers enabled.
That's completely irrelevant, because he would have his manadork powers enabled if the fetchlands were put into the same Standard as him.
He's already pretty silly in higher power formats like Modern or Legacy; putting him in Standard with the fetchlands would ensure the format would be nothing but Deathrite Shaman decks versus Deathrite Shaman decks.
That's completely irrelevant, because he would have his manadork powers enabled if the fetchlands were put into the same Standard as him.
He's already pretty silly in higher power formats like Modern or Legacy; putting him in Standard with the fetchlands would ensure the format would be nothing but Deathrite Shaman decks versus Deathrite Shaman decks.
But it is relevant, because it's what keeps him from mattering in Standard.
Besides, isn't the meta now just Devotion deck vs Devotion deck? How is that any different?
Standard has never been the champion format for deck diversity.
But it is relevant, because it's what keeps him from mattering in Standard.
You're right that's what keeps him from mattering in Standard. But that's irrelevant if the fetchlands were legal simultaneously. You're talking about how things are while I'm trying to point out what things would be like if the fetchlands were printed while Deathrite Shaman was legal. I mean, this is what it's going like.
Me: The fetchlands being simultaneously legal with Deathrite Shaman in Standard would be a really bad idea because he's ridiculously powerful in a format with fetchlands.
You: Oh yeah? Well, the fetchlands aren't legal in Standard.
You're talking about something completely different than what I'm talking about. Saying "Deathrite Shamans without fetchlands is okay in Standard" does not in any way logically lead to "Deathrite Shaman with fetchlands is okay in Standard".
I mean, by your logic we'd better hurry up and unban Dark Depths in Modern. Vampire Hexmage isn't overpowered without it, so obviously Vampire Hexmage with Dark Depths isn't a problem either. Glimmerpost and Vesuva are fine without Cloudpost, so they wouldn't be a problem with Cloudpost. And, of course, Grove of the Burnwillows isn't overpowered without Punishing Fire, so it would be just fine with Punishing Fire. That's the logic you're presenting. Do you think we should unban Dark Depths, Cloudpost, and Punishing Fire in Modern?
Besides, isn't the meta now just Devotion deck vs Devotion deck?
Uh... no. Not at all.
How is that any different?
Well, it's different because, for starters, it isn't Devotion deck vs. Devotion deck. But let's suppose we ignore every single non-Devotion deck in the format. Here's the thing: Because Devotion is based on devotion to a particular color, there isn't much overlap between them. For example, compare a Black devotion deck with a Red devotion deck. You might notice something important, which is namely the fact that, outside of Mutavault, there is zero overlap between the two decks. Black Devotion does have overlap with Blue devotion in the form of Nightveil Specter, but otherwise they play almost entirely different cards. There's great diversity between devotion decks.
You're right that's what keeps him from mattering in Standard. But that's irrelevant if the fetchlands were legal simultaneously. You're talking about how things are while I'm trying to point out what things would be like if the fetchlands were printed while Deathrite Shaman was legal.
Oh, then we're just stuck in a rut of miscommunication then.
...right?
I mean, my angle was that it'd give reason to see DRS show up in Standard, because -as it currently is- there's no real reason to play him. He is a card whose quality is defined by the cardpool available to him, after all.
Oh, then we're just stuck in a rut of miscommunication then.
...right?
I mean, my angle was that it'd give reason to see DRS show up in Standard, because -as it currently is- there's no real reason to play him. He is a card whose quality is defined by the cardpool available to him, after all.
It'd give Deathrite Shaman more of a reason to show up in Standard. It'd also give every single deck that doesn't play him little reason to exist. There's no benefit to a full-powered Deathrite Shaman in a format like Standard unless your goal is to make every single deck in the format play him. I'd also question why we need to make Deathrite Shaman great in Standard to begin with; it's not like anyone was shouting that Past In Flames needed storm enablers in Standard so it would see play.
That's why I think it's a horrible idea to put the fetchlands into Standard until Deathrite Shaman is safely out of the picture. Granted, I think it's a bad idea to put the fetchlands and shocklands in Standard simultaneously already, but at least that benefits all colors, whereas Deathrite Shaman gives B/G a goldmine with the fetchlands that no other colors get.
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Probably multiple somebodies and why not? Seems like a pretty solid plan.
It's a win-win either way. On one side, the prices of first Ravnica shocklands have stabilized so your Hallowed Fountain is probably going to remain the price it is currently at. However, once Return to Ravnica rotates, the prices will drop in the short term because they will no longer be in Standard, but they will go back up once Return to Ravnica stops being printed and demand will still gradually go up because of Modern. So basically, the old Ravnica shocklands have pretty much stabilized in price, BUT, there is a chance that they will go up in price a while after Return to Ravnica rotates.
Reprint Opt for Modern!!
FREE DIG THOROUGH TIME!
PLAY MORE ROUGE DECKS!
Current decks of choice:
Vintage: Shops.
Legacy: Lands.
Modern: Lantern.
Reprint Opt for Modern!!
FREE DIG THOROUGH TIME!
PLAY MORE ROUGE DECKS!
Deathrite is huge in modern and legacy so he isn't a bad long term spec target. I think he will follow a trend similar to snapcaster mage or noble hierarch. Shocks are a strong investment, especially right now while you can get them for $10ish a piece. By the end of theros they will go up and I'm not certain rotation will make them drop lower then their current price.
The upside is that cards that cannot be redeemed are disproportionately cheaper often. You can get really great prices on promos or special set printings a lot of the time.
Yea, though they have always been cards that I looked at the price and went "huh?" Even before LE was getting traction. Now that LE is a popular tier 1.5 deck I understand why, but I still think it is weird.
Reprint Opt for Modern!!
FREE DIG THOROUGH TIME!
PLAY MORE ROUGE DECKS!
Current decks of choice:
Vintage: Shops.
Legacy: Lands.
Modern: Lantern.
Post rotation I expect DRS to end up at the same level as snapcaster and noble hierarch. He will drop immediately after rotation and be a solid pick up imo.
I thought that cards only dropped after rotation if they were played in Standard.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
All of them tend to drop a little bit, at least a buck or two.
DRS might be the exception to the rule considering it's already existing legacy and modern demand compared to it's minimal standard demand. I think it's stable given standard demand and will remain stable through rotation. It will then steadily rise until a reprint or banning.
Anyhow, prices of the existing ones will drop.
I doubt that they will do this, but I hope that they will. If they did, Standard players would have to get full Modern manabases. Then, after rotation, more of them would start playing Modern because they will have paid for most of it already.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
Not that I'm saying it will happen, I have a hunch and think its sound business.
He's kinda just a lamer Grim Lavamancer without having his manadork powers enabled.
That's completely irrelevant, because he would have his manadork powers enabled if the fetchlands were put into the same Standard as him.
He's already pretty silly in higher power formats like Modern or Legacy; putting him in Standard with the fetchlands would ensure the format would be nothing but Deathrite Shaman decks versus Deathrite Shaman decks.
But it is relevant, because it's what keeps him from mattering in Standard.
Besides, isn't the meta now just Devotion deck vs Devotion deck? How is that any different?
Standard has never been the champion format for deck diversity.
You're right that's what keeps him from mattering in Standard. But that's irrelevant if the fetchlands were legal simultaneously. You're talking about how things are while I'm trying to point out what things would be like if the fetchlands were printed while Deathrite Shaman was legal. I mean, this is what it's going like.
Me: The fetchlands being simultaneously legal with Deathrite Shaman in Standard would be a really bad idea because he's ridiculously powerful in a format with fetchlands.
You: Oh yeah? Well, the fetchlands aren't legal in Standard.
You're talking about something completely different than what I'm talking about. Saying "Deathrite Shamans without fetchlands is okay in Standard" does not in any way logically lead to "Deathrite Shaman with fetchlands is okay in Standard".
I mean, by your logic we'd better hurry up and unban Dark Depths in Modern. Vampire Hexmage isn't overpowered without it, so obviously Vampire Hexmage with Dark Depths isn't a problem either. Glimmerpost and Vesuva are fine without Cloudpost, so they wouldn't be a problem with Cloudpost. And, of course, Grove of the Burnwillows isn't overpowered without Punishing Fire, so it would be just fine with Punishing Fire. That's the logic you're presenting. Do you think we should unban Dark Depths, Cloudpost, and Punishing Fire in Modern?
Uh... no. Not at all.
Well, it's different because, for starters, it isn't Devotion deck vs. Devotion deck. But let's suppose we ignore every single non-Devotion deck in the format. Here's the thing: Because Devotion is based on devotion to a particular color, there isn't much overlap between them. For example, compare a Black devotion deck with a Red devotion deck. You might notice something important, which is namely the fact that, outside of Mutavault, there is zero overlap between the two decks. Black Devotion does have overlap with Blue devotion in the form of Nightveil Specter, but otherwise they play almost entirely different cards. There's great diversity between devotion decks.
Is this what is causing this dramatic 250% price increase in less than two weeks?
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/card/Stoneforge+Mystic+%5BWWK%5D
Oh, then we're just stuck in a rut of miscommunication then.
...right?
I mean, my angle was that it'd give reason to see DRS show up in Standard, because -as it currently is- there's no real reason to play him. He is a card whose quality is defined by the cardpool available to him, after all.
It'd give Deathrite Shaman more of a reason to show up in Standard. It'd also give every single deck that doesn't play him little reason to exist. There's no benefit to a full-powered Deathrite Shaman in a format like Standard unless your goal is to make every single deck in the format play him. I'd also question why we need to make Deathrite Shaman great in Standard to begin with; it's not like anyone was shouting that Past In Flames needed storm enablers in Standard so it would see play.
That's why I think it's a horrible idea to put the fetchlands into Standard until Deathrite Shaman is safely out of the picture. Granted, I think it's a bad idea to put the fetchlands and shocklands in Standard simultaneously already, but at least that benefits all colors, whereas Deathrite Shaman gives B/G a goldmine with the fetchlands that no other colors get.