So I bought the cards for my first draft of a decklist just to realise that it's downtime right now. What a bummer I'm really excited to try the deck. I ordered a singleton Glittering Wish too because it seems like a neat idea with Wheel of Sun and Moon, a Kitchen Finks and Fracturing Gust in the SB :>
I can't wait to durdle around a bit with my pile
P.S.: I decided to play no Groves and Noble Hierarchs for now, simply because those two cards are just insanely expensive. I hope that won't make the deck all that much worse.
It will. Grove of the Burnwillows is the best land in the deck, and while Hierarch isn't as crucial, exalted helps out the beatdown plan and its the best mana-dork for this deck next to BoP. Deathrite Shaman could be an alternative, but you really want your dork's mana-making to be 100% reliable. If you want a cheap, competitive Modern deck, play Affinity.
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Considering how many of my wins were by simple beatdown + slight toolboxing I'm still not sure about the grove. The nobles would make the deck a bit better though. I'm 100% sure about that^^
we take a ton of damage from fetch/shock/pod. grove's help us maintain our life total. super important.
just won a 5-3-2-2 This deck man. This deck. I might just have to get those hierarchs.
Congratulations!
Hierarchs and Groves are not essential like Birthing Pod and Kiki are, but they help. Maybe your recent victory will embolden you to acquire the other pieces!
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P.S.: I decided to play no Groves and Noble Hierarchs for now, simply because those two cards are just insanely expensive. I hope that won't make the deck all that much worse.
I played with copperlines and Avacyn's Pilgrims for a while. The deck functions just fine but... so much better with Nobles and Groves but the joy is if you're able to pick them up 1 by 1, you can just sub them in
P.S. Most of the time I end up boarding out two pods for Games two and three to play around the cards they put in from their sb to counter the pods. Is that the correct way to go about things?
I rarely board out Pod (unless I see a stony silence or something), because it's just a really good value card by itself and tends to be a lightning rod for targeted discard, but there are definitely times when I'll board out Kiki and Conscripts, usually against decks that pack lots of removal (like UWR control and some Jund lists).
I'm kinda hoping they'll get reprinted at some point. I really hate bying singles for more than 20 bucks :X
Yeah, when exalted got spoiled in M13? I was pretty excited for a noble reprint...
Someone "spoiled" that the future sight lands would be in the theros block (obviously not) or the block after. So fingers crossed for that! Except that I have groves... and I'm still borrowing nobles...
Yeah, when exalted got spoiled in M13? I was pretty excited for a noble reprint...
Someone "spoiled" that the future sight lands would be in the theros block (obviously not) or the block after. So fingers crossed for that! Except that I have groves... and I'm still borrowing nobles...
I would honestly doubt they ever reprint Grove. Pick them up while you can because they won't get reprinted in a set release (unless they do something Modern Masters 2)
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I almost never board out Pod except against Death and Taxes (because EVERY card they play is a big middle finger to Pod) and Burn, but even in those matchups I only every board up to 2 Pod because the card is THAT strong.
I would honestly doubt they ever reprint Grove. Pick them up while you can because they won't get reprinted in a set release (unless they do something Modern Masters 2)
Hi Folks,
I have been really enjoying playing this deck for a little while now, however I don't have any fetches (hopeing they reprint them soon) and so occationally I run into some mana trouble with the four different colors. I was thinking of changing the deck to either be just Naya or RUG to help with this.
Naya:
- White gives access to some nice hate creatures (Kitchen Finks, Linvala, Qasali Pridemage, Thalia, Ethersworn Canonist, Voice, etc.).
- You loose the "opps I win pod-chains".
RUG:
- Blue gives access to counter spells (Glen Elendra, Judge's Familiar, Mystic Snake, Spiketail Drakeling, etc.).
- Blue gives access to more pod-chains but you loose the 4 drop pod chain (Restoration Angel).
Thoughts or should I just stick with the four colors and hope for the best?
Besides the obvious suggestion of just manning up, selling your body, and buying fetches because they are a safer investment then the stock market I suggest you go RWG and try to run a list that is more similar to the original deck that did well at Yokohama.
I think it's more of the having to remember to tell the other person to gain life. It's often forgotten and what not.
I have the opposite problem when playing this deck on Cockatrice. Usually my cue to to gain life off the land is I'll point from the Grove to them. Most people get this, but sometimes I catch people trying to gain life for colorless mana added. I point when I'm adding colored mana, okay, and I never forget to point because I haven't had a game where I've tapped a Grove for colored more than five times. Seven fetchlands and eight-to-ten dorks means that you can usually get your green mana elsewhere, and rarely does a red mana from a Grove pay for something other than Kiki-Jiki, who tends to make the life-gain irrelevant.
The real reason Grove won't be reprinted in a Standard-legal set is it's just too good. The fact that there are both ways to mitigate the lifegain and ways to turn it into an advantage means it's too powerful for Type 2, as it was called in the days of yore. Also, they can't make a cycle of these because the ones that tap for blue would be downright busted.
so i've been running a singleton meddling mage in my lists and it has ended up being perhaps the most often fetched 2-drop in my whole list (perhaps besides Thalia, guardian of thraben who is sick).
a couple of times i've just fetched one up naming path to exile and that's locked my opponent down for me to win. it's such a killer card.
it's even good when you play it blind in your mainboard, as most decks these days have a key card that'll impede your win or make you lose in a certain situation - like the other day i named karn liberated against tron and won the game through an active Tron, as he couldn't drop Karn, and i had PtE for his wurmcoils. sure i got lucky with him not drawing his pyroclasm, but then i can fetch mage almost every game and he has to decide when to blow his one removal spell that he's gonna draw all game (most likely).
it's also a great foil for wrath spells against certain decks, which is a nice bonus. most decks only run one version of a spell (i.e. 4x pyroclasm rather than a 2:2 split with something else) so it's easy to pick it out.
anyone else having the same success as me with meddling mage?
i'm trying to sneak a huntmaster of the fells into my list. i think it gives us midrange gas. going to try it at GP RVa, anyway. my question is about where to slot it in--do you think i can get away with 2 restoration angel rather than 3? i realize i'm cutting it fine because of its importance in a bunch of chains. here's the list as is:
It will. Grove of the Burnwillows is the best land in the deck, and while Hierarch isn't as crucial, exalted helps out the beatdown plan and its the best mana-dork for this deck next to BoP. Deathrite Shaman could be an alternative, but you really want your dork's mana-making to be 100% reliable. If you want a cheap, competitive Modern deck, play Affinity.
"Stoned players can't attack, block, or play spells or abilities."
we take a ton of damage from fetch/shock/pod. grove's help us maintain our life total. super important.
Congratulations!
Hierarchs and Groves are not essential like Birthing Pod and Kiki are, but they help. Maybe your recent victory will embolden you to acquire the other pieces!
I played with copperlines and Avacyn's Pilgrims for a while. The deck functions just fine but... so much better with Nobles and Groves but the joy is if you're able to pick them up 1 by 1, you can just sub them in
I rarely board out Pod (unless I see a stony silence or something), because it's just a really good value card by itself and tends to be a lightning rod for targeted discard, but there are definitely times when I'll board out Kiki and Conscripts, usually against decks that pack lots of removal (like UWR control and some Jund lists).
Regarding running a 4-color deck without fetchlands:
MostlyLost on Cockatrice.
Yeah, when exalted got spoiled in M13? I was pretty excited for a noble reprint...
Someone "spoiled" that the future sight lands would be in the theros block (obviously not) or the block after. So fingers crossed for that! Except that I have groves... and I'm still borrowing nobles...
I would honestly doubt they ever reprint Grove. Pick them up while you can because they won't get reprinted in a set release (unless they do something Modern Masters 2)
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I almost never board out Pod except against Death and Taxes (because EVERY card they play is a big middle finger to Pod) and Burn, but even in those matchups I only every board up to 2 Pod because the card is THAT strong.
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Just because of it's design?
If you are refering to the frame, it shouldn't be a problem: Graven Cairns
I still have hope to see duals like Horizon Canopy, Nimbus Maze or River of Tears in a block
Yea because of the design.
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I have been really enjoying playing this deck for a little while now, however I don't have any fetches (hopeing they reprint them soon) and so occationally I run into some mana trouble with the four different colors. I was thinking of changing the deck to either be just Naya or RUG to help with this.
Naya:
- White gives access to some nice hate creatures (Kitchen Finks, Linvala, Qasali Pridemage, Thalia, Ethersworn Canonist, Voice, etc.).
- You loose the "opps I win pod-chains".
RUG:
- Blue gives access to counter spells (Glen Elendra, Judge's Familiar, Mystic Snake, Spiketail Drakeling, etc.).
- Blue gives access to more pod-chains but you loose the 4 drop pod chain (Restoration Angel).
Thoughts or should I just stick with the four colors and hope for the best?
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1x Combust
1x Ethersworn Canonist
1x Fiery Justice
1x Harmonic Sliver
1x Kataki, War's Wage
1x Obstinate Baloth
1x Sigarda, Host of Herons
1x Sowing Salt
1x Thrun, the Last Troll
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I think it's more of the having to remember to tell the other person to gain life. It's often forgotten and what not.
I have the opposite problem when playing this deck on Cockatrice. Usually my cue to to gain life off the land is I'll point from the Grove to them. Most people get this, but sometimes I catch people trying to gain life for colorless mana added. I point when I'm adding colored mana, okay, and I never forget to point because I haven't had a game where I've tapped a Grove for colored more than five times. Seven fetchlands and eight-to-ten dorks means that you can usually get your green mana elsewhere, and rarely does a red mana from a Grove pay for something other than Kiki-Jiki, who tends to make the life-gain irrelevant.
The real reason Grove won't be reprinted in a Standard-legal set is it's just too good. The fact that there are both ways to mitigate the lifegain and ways to turn it into an advantage means it's too powerful for Type 2, as it was called in the days of yore. Also, they can't make a cycle of these because the ones that tap for blue would be downright busted.
"Stoned players can't attack, block, or play spells or abilities."
What about Breaching Hippocamp? Not as "good" as Angel but it's a 4 drop combo piece almost fulfilling the same role in a chain, no?
Rest in peace my one true love: Kikipod
a couple of times i've just fetched one up naming path to exile and that's locked my opponent down for me to win. it's such a killer card.
it's even good when you play it blind in your mainboard, as most decks these days have a key card that'll impede your win or make you lose in a certain situation - like the other day i named karn liberated against tron and won the game through an active Tron, as he couldn't drop Karn, and i had PtE for his wurmcoils. sure i got lucky with him not drawing his pyroclasm, but then i can fetch mage almost every game and he has to decide when to blow his one removal spell that he's gonna draw all game (most likely).
it's also a great foil for wrath spells against certain decks, which is a nice bonus. most decks only run one version of a spell (i.e. 4x pyroclasm rather than a 2:2 split with something else) so it's easy to pick it out.
anyone else having the same success as me with meddling mage?
4 Birds of Paradise
2 Voice of Resurgence
1 Fauna Shaman
1 Spellskite
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Wall of Roots
1 Phantasmal Image
3 Kitchen Finks
2 Deceiver Exarch
1 Izzet Staticaster
2 Restoration Angel
1 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1 Glen Elendra, Archmage
1 Murderous Redcap
2 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
1 Zealous Conscripts
2 Domri Rade
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