Endurance is way too costly. Do you think this is their idea of EDH support? I suppose, but there's so much better to go in its place.
like what? the only other card like this is asceticism, and this is arguably better because it can be tutored, flashed, and recovered far easier than asceticism in addition to protecting itself, something asceticism does not do. if costing 3 more is what's breaking the card and making it unplayable, you're doing green terribly wrong.
To anyone saying this isn't amazing in EDH because of Asceticism: It's called redundancy. I'll play both of them in my Warp World EDH. Taking away Hexproof is also pretty nifty. Definitely looking forward to this one.
Endurance is way too costly. Do you think this is their idea of EDH support? I suppose, but there's so much better to go in its place.
Very underwhelming.
See, what it SHOULD HAVE BEEN is this.
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Creatures you control have shroud and creatures your opponents control can't have shroud.
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I get to watch worlds develop around me.
I get to watch great leaders, terrible oppressors, and trend setters rise and fall.
Limited, Standard, Modern, everything is a different playing field I feel I can observe, but will not actually touch.
I look forward to the stories I will hear.
And more so to the ones I will watch unfold first hand.
Isn't the unknown exciting?
I think it's fine. You can cast it on turn 4 in the right deck so that there is pretty cool. Hexproof is a powerful effect so you'd expect it to be costly. Honestly I'd rather have seen it as a 5/5 for 5GG though. Still expensive but a mana cheaper is a mana cheaper.
I think something that gives hexproof to every creature you control is something that should be pretty expensive to get on the table. If it was every other, it could be cheaper.
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Standard play:
T1: Elvish Mystic
T2: Sylvan Caryatid
T3: Witchstalker
T4: Karametra's Acolyte
T5: 5 mana from KA, 5 from Forests (or 7 from Nykthos + Forests), 1 from EM, 1 from SC = 14 possible mana
Yeah, card could be playable with the right deck. Turn 5 drop this, Polukranos and another two drop (with Nykthos).
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Sweet. In Limited this will get passed - grab it when it does. This will turn out to be a solid finisher. Red and Black players are going be sorry they held onto removal.
I can also see this as a solid finisher in your sideboard for a ramp deck. It'll definitely be unexpected.
Standard play:
T1: Elvish Mystic
T2: Sylvan Caryatid
T3: Witchstalker
T4: Karametra's Acolyte
T5: 5 mana from KA, 5 from Forests (or 7 from Nykthos + Forests), 1 from EM, 1 from SC = 14 possible mana
Yeah, card could be playable with the right deck. Turn 5 drop this, Polukranos and another two drop (with Nykthos).
Or you could do Kiora's Follower into Karametra's Acolyte, and as long as you have gotten a land each turn by your fourth turn, you can cast it on your fourth turn. It only takes two cards. I'll probably run two of them in my UG ramp deck, just because it's going to be a budget card that people overlook and can be dropped down on turn four. Ultimately, yeah, it's a perfect play, but it's not hard to put two creatures onto the battlefield.
I'm calling it right now- worst rare in the set. Even good limited players will find better bombs at common and uncommon no sweat. Worst. Episode. Ever.
I really do predict this to be our worst rare in set award winner. I'd be happier opening a jar of eyeballs, so I think anything worse is highly unlikely. This card wont just have zero constructed potential, but not be significantly better than a mass of ghouls in a draft.
Whoo it'll only cost me 8 mana to then be able to spend mana to kill hexproof dudes!
Or there's wraths. I like wraths. This does not like wraths.
What creature does like wraths? Heck, the fact that wraths are pretty much the only way to deal with this automatically makes it pretty awesome. Also, this obviously does so much more than remove hexproof from your opponents creatures.
So people keep bringing up the 8 mana issue. Do you not realize that both Avacyn and Vorenclex, Voice of Hunger cost 8 mana too? Are you telling me you'd never run either of those? Granted, they all have different effects, but this boar is no less dangerous in a lot of decks.
I'm having a chuckle at the absurd power creep in Magic. Ten years ago this would have been a rare and people would have complained that it was ridiculously powerful. Today, people are whining that it's a 6/5 with a ridiculous ability for 8 mana. It's just funny to think about.
10 years ago you had to pay heavy upkeep costs on almost everything that was bigger than 5/5.
The bigger it got the more ridiculous the upkeep costs got.
I'm having a chuckle at the absurd power creep in Magic. Ten years ago this would have been a rare and people would have complained that it was ridiculously powerful. Today, people are whining that it's a 6/5 with a ridiculous ability for 8 mana. It's just funny to think about.
Creatures are way better now, sure. But spells are worse, so to an extent it balances out. Overall power has gone down. An unrestricted Alpha deck can win turn one nearly 100% of the time.
Still going to say this can come out turn 4 with Kiora's Follower and Karametra's Acolyte...
Not that it's tier-one competitive, but it's a fun card that's being hated on for all the wrong reasons. It'll find a home in my FNM UG ramp deck.
Actually I'm pretty sure it's being hate on for all the right reasons. Lack of competitiveness, insane cost, etc. Fun cards get hated on all the time and with reason. People want the right kind of value out of their cards.
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Actually I'm pretty sure it's being hate on for all the right reasons. Lack of competitiveness, insane cost, etc. Fun cards get hated on all the time and with reason. People want the right kind of value out of their cards.
I understand that, but at the same time some of the commentary are so ridiculous that it makes me wonder how spoiled people really are with cards these days. I agree that it costs a lot, and it has it's downsides. But how much mana did you really think they would cost this at? It makes all of your dudes invulnerable to spot removal and strips the enemies of protection. Anything less and it would have to be a rare.
I understand that, but at the same time some of the commentary are so ridiculous that it makes me wonder how spoiled people really are with cards these days. I agree that it costs a lot, and it has it's downsides. But how much mana did you really think they would cost this at? It makes all of your dudes invulnerable to spot removal and strips the enemies of protection. Anything less and it would have to be a rare.
It needed to cost 5 if they wanted people to play it (make the body smaller too). When we are given a card that looks like a fun card we want to play that card, and here we can't because it costs 8. That warrants disappointment. Rarity doesn't matter anywhere outside of draft.
like what? the only other card like this is asceticism, and this is arguably better because it can be tutored, flashed, and recovered far easier than asceticism in addition to protecting itself, something asceticism does not do. if costing 3 more is what's breaking the card and making it unplayable, you're doing green terribly wrong.
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Privileged Position would like a word with you. But again it doesn't protect itself or help deal with opposing hexproof creatures.
See, what it SHOULD HAVE BEEN is this.
Archetype of Endurance
3GG
3/3
Creatures you control have shroud and creatures your opponents control can't have shroud.
I get to watch great leaders, terrible oppressors, and trend setters rise and fall.
Limited, Standard, Modern, everything is a different playing field I feel I can observe, but will not actually touch.
I look forward to the stories I will hear.
And more so to the ones I will watch unfold first hand.
Isn't the unknown exciting?
oh right, that is a card. my mistake.
ok, so there are two other cards.
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Totally agree, but I think that MaRo has stated that Shroud is out going forward in favor of Hexproof.
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I can also see this as a solid finisher in your sideboard for a ramp deck. It'll definitely be unexpected.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1988614295/worlds-finest-mtg-pewter-life-spinner-is-about-to?ref=category
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=16581
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH_UXXKRzlM
Or you could do Kiora's Follower into Karametra's Acolyte, and as long as you have gotten a land each turn by your fourth turn, you can cast it on your fourth turn. It only takes two cards. I'll probably run two of them in my UG ramp deck, just because it's going to be a budget card that people overlook and can be dropped down on turn four. Ultimately, yeah, it's a perfect play, but it's not hard to put two creatures onto the battlefield.
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Guess they didn't want to deal with the hexproof-haters' whining for months if they made the hexproof Archetype anything playable above Tier-3.
Or there's wraths. I like wraths. This does not like wraths.
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What creature does like wraths? Heck, the fact that wraths are pretty much the only way to deal with this automatically makes it pretty awesome. Also, this obviously does so much more than remove hexproof from your opponents creatures.
So people keep bringing up the 8 mana issue. Do you not realize that both Avacyn and Vorenclex, Voice of Hunger cost 8 mana too? Are you telling me you'd never run either of those? Granted, they all have different effects, but this boar is no less dangerous in a lot of decks.
10 years ago you had to pay heavy upkeep costs on almost everything that was bigger than 5/5.
The bigger it got the more ridiculous the upkeep costs got.
From Force of Nature through to Leviathan and Polar Kraken.
These days they just increase the casting cost to make things totally unplayable.
They would never ever use shroud in this block considering this is about enchanting creatures, which shroud prevents you from doing
Then I wouldn't want to see this effect at a lower mana cost than what is currently unless it was stapled to a really weak body
Creatures are way better now, sure. But spells are worse, so to an extent it balances out. Overall power has gone down. An unrestricted Alpha deck can win turn one nearly 100% of the time.
Not that it's tier-one competitive, but it's a fun card that's being hated on for all the wrong reasons. It'll find a home in my FNM UG ramp deck.
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Fixed that for you. The creature power creep actually started in Onslaught, around 10 years ago to the day.
Actually I'm pretty sure it's being hate on for all the right reasons. Lack of competitiveness, insane cost, etc. Fun cards get hated on all the time and with reason. People want the right kind of value out of their cards.
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I understand that, but at the same time some of the commentary are so ridiculous that it makes me wonder how spoiled people really are with cards these days. I agree that it costs a lot, and it has it's downsides. But how much mana did you really think they would cost this at? It makes all of your dudes invulnerable to spot removal and strips the enemies of protection. Anything less and it would have to be a rare.
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It needed to cost 5 if they wanted people to play it (make the body smaller too). When we are given a card that looks like a fun card we want to play that card, and here we can't because it costs 8. That warrants disappointment. Rarity doesn't matter anywhere outside of draft.
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