Which would always be just a 5/6 flyer for 6. Fighting a creature gives tribute 6 this would have to be at least 6 to see play.
That's in green and without evasion. A 9/10 with flying is an entirely different beast than a 12/12 vanilla. Musicman's seems pretty average, but not every card is a format all-star. A 5/6 flier for 5 isn't the worst, though I agree it could afford to be stronger like Ulthwithian
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When ~ ETB, draw 3 cards. Then, if the tribute cost was paid, discard 3 cards. "The Oracle constantly gains secrets. For the right price, they can be yours."
I like this much better! I think it might be a little too good, though. Drawing three cards by itself is a big deal in Blue (see Opportunity, Inspiration, Divination). Essentially your opponent would be paying to let you get rid of your worst three cards and put a 6/7 flying monster on the field!
That would actually be solid methinks at could see play.
Tribute is only really bad when either side of a creature is not something you would like to have. The hydra, for instance, is blanked out on an empty board, and a 12/12 is arbitrarily large, which the decks that want it have in spades already (The don't need a big dumb creature to be better; it has big dumb creatures already). The Phoenix suffer froms a really bad meta game right now; mono-red has a superb finisher for a 4 drop, and midrange is a bit bloated on the four costs that would generally be better. So it's a bit in limbo for the time being.
A card like that, however, is a little different. I highly doubt you would ever get cards off of it, which means to me that the Tribute might need to be higher both to be playable and to make the creature a tough choice. It essentially would need to at least survive Demon in combat to be playable.
Unfortunately it also means the card is essentially going to be a 5-mana [c]Browbeat[/b] on legs. Granted, I think browbeat is the most under(And over) rated Punisher card, as those who rail against it haven't really played with or against it. It's a fine card, but I don't think upping the cost and slapping it on legs would make it playable in the current standard. Of course, Black's removal is getting "tight"(As in more options than there is space), and they have a ton of options to choose from now meaning that some of their "best" removal might get worn thin and removed for versatile options (Doom Blade might be reduced in favor of Bile Blight, which has a wider degree of applications, for instance).
If it read similar to how you did, I'd certainly give it a go. Removal only goes so far, and I have a feeling that it might be a good time for big stuff being as how much of the stronger removal in BNG wouldn't hit it.
dunno about standard, but I would definitely love tribute sphinx! Draw three on legs is going to be good, even if it makes you discard em 99% of the time. Id love this card in EDH and beyond.
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I like this much better! I think it might be a little too good, though. Drawing three cards by itself is a big deal in Blue (see Opportunity, Inspiration, Divination). Essentially your opponent would be paying to let you get rid of your worst three cards and put a 6/7 flying monster on the field!
I think tribute 3 on such a creature would be a bit overmuch, but I could see a Tribute 1 or 2 being fair, and not necessarily the "best" choice given the options (After all, the difference between a 3 and 4 power creature is the difference between a 7 turn and a 5 turn clock, and the difference between a 3 and 5 power creature is a 4 turn and a 7 clock).
Really, for tribute to be taken seriously there needs to be a relevant EtB ability from the start that gets better if tribute isn't paid, but is relevant if it does.
I think itll be explorer.....yes please wotc please give us explorer back. Plus itll test alex bertoncinis resolve
explore? I dont see it yo, but I loved explore and would welcome it back
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At some point the tribute becomes useless though. Tribute 1 to discard 3 cards they may as well just give it +1/+1 and keep the discard on since who isn't going to pay it. Beyond that they said that tribute was designed to be a choice between two aggressive options so they weren't as bad in terms of punisher cards. It'd be more like draw 3 cards or tribute 1 draw 4 cards at your next turns upkeep.
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Well if we look at the decklists from the opening thread post, the first card my eyes went to was Avenger of Zendikar. Maybe the Green Mythic rare is a creature with tribute that makes a bunch of tokens if the tribute cost isn't played; and then each each upkeep you can add more tokens or counters. The other card to look at is Rampaging Baloths, which could easily be a creature that makes big creature tokens when it untaps for inspiration. A really aggressive creature that lays down some serious hurt with inspiration. It could be a green mythic for sure.
I like some of the other ideas brewing on here. A creature that could get beefy from a tribute or your opponent has to sacrifice a land sounds pretty good in my opinion.
I confess i didn't read all the posts but as I said before in the other thread were this spec. started I would bet the card LSV was talking about was some kind of Goblin Ruinblaster functional reprint, why?
Because PV said in some articles by the time he won that PT that the Goblin was the deck teck card that gave him the edge over other decks mana bases and the control man lands from zendikar block that were dominating at the time, also wizards usualy prints some kind of cards to hate previous blocks mecanics and that happens to be multicolor mana bases, plus nykthos and even more relevant mutavault are starting to become a problem that need some kind of solution.
I honestly could see this being true. Nykthos is a pretty powerful card, and although they might not be directly targeting it, I'm sure Ruinblaster variant would be a good red uncommon for this type of thing. If I had to guess, it would be like this:
I honestly could see this being true. Nykthos is a pretty powerful card, and although they might not be directly targeting it, I'm sure Ruinblaster variant would be a good red uncommon for this type of thing. If I had to guess, it would be like this:
Another really powerful uncommon card that utilizes Tribute to a full benefit.
wow wow wow right there.
We all know wizards do not print land destruction in 3cc, but you try to balance this out because the opponent can choose to face a 4/4 haste from turn 3 and on? at uncommon?
Make it 2/1 and tribute 1 and I can see this card in the realm of printability.
We all know wizards do not print land destruction in 3cc, but you try to balance this out because the opponent can choose to face a 4/4 haste from turn 3 and on? at uncommon?
Make it 2/1 and tribute 1 and I can see this card in the realm of printability.
Tribute 1 would be underwhelming and 2/1 too easy to get rid of. i coulf see tribute 2 1/2 giving them the choice of a 3/4 that doesn't die to bolt or a 1/2 that blow a land.
Ruinblaster was relatively good LD in a block where you have Valakult and friends, I.E. strong lands that demanded answers. We don't really have that in this block so it should be the status quo of mediocre LD, which is not going to be an LSV preview card.
Unless there are a lot of good untap effects, Lotus Cobra would be terrible with Inspired or Heroic. Heroic wouldn't be worth targeting him and Inspired would generally just trigger on your untap step.
I could see Avenger. Pretty easy tribute design - either he's huge (and tramply, I would hope) or he puts a bunch of tokens into play.
personally i think as was said before tribute seems to be a pretty bad mechanic besides the phoniex and the fanatic guy there is really a creature with a good effect. so that leaves me thinking that it'll be one of these four cards
exploer, deprive(which is the least likeliest because to me perosonally two drop counter magic might be abit strong in this meta), goblin ruinblaster with tribute(again a bad mechanic in my opinion so don't really see this happening) or a oracle of mul draya with a inspired mechanic attached(which to me is the overall better mechanic) though overall to me looking at all the cards in the list i think explore seem the most likely cause it's already attached to kiora(who is pretty much unplayable in a competitive format) and is overall a great card.
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Which would always be just a 5/6 flyer for 6. Fighting a creature gives tribute 6 this would have to be at least 6 to see play.
That's in green and without evasion. A 9/10 with flying is an entirely different beast than a 12/12 vanilla. Musicman's seems pretty average, but not every card is a format all-star. A 5/6 flier for 5 isn't the worst, though I agree it could afford to be stronger like Ulthwithian
I like this much better! I think it might be a little too good, though. Drawing three cards by itself is a big deal in Blue (see Opportunity, Inspiration, Divination). Essentially your opponent would be paying to let you get rid of your worst three cards and put a 6/7 flying monster on the field!
A plant token generator with inspired instead of landfall, and enters the battlefield with tokens equal to the number of devotion.
That would actually be solid methinks at could see play.
Tribute is only really bad when either side of a creature is not something you would like to have. The hydra, for instance, is blanked out on an empty board, and a 12/12 is arbitrarily large, which the decks that want it have in spades already (The don't need a big dumb creature to be better; it has big dumb creatures already). The Phoenix suffer froms a really bad meta game right now; mono-red has a superb finisher for a 4 drop, and midrange is a bit bloated on the four costs that would generally be better. So it's a bit in limbo for the time being.
A card like that, however, is a little different. I highly doubt you would ever get cards off of it, which means to me that the Tribute might need to be higher both to be playable and to make the creature a tough choice. It essentially would need to at least survive Demon in combat to be playable.
Unfortunately it also means the card is essentially going to be a 5-mana [c]Browbeat[/b] on legs. Granted, I think browbeat is the most under(And over) rated Punisher card, as those who rail against it haven't really played with or against it. It's a fine card, but I don't think upping the cost and slapping it on legs would make it playable in the current standard. Of course, Black's removal is getting "tight"(As in more options than there is space), and they have a ton of options to choose from now meaning that some of their "best" removal might get worn thin and removed for versatile options (Doom Blade might be reduced in favor of Bile Blight, which has a wider degree of applications, for instance).
If it read similar to how you did, I'd certainly give it a go. Removal only goes so far, and I have a feeling that it might be a good time for big stuff being as how much of the stronger removal in BNG wouldn't hit it.
I invision a future where one is not mighty when he can silence a crowd with brutality,
but when he leaves them speechless with wisdom.
I think tribute 3 on such a creature would be a bit overmuch, but I could see a Tribute 1 or 2 being fair, and not necessarily the "best" choice given the options (After all, the difference between a 3 and 4 power creature is the difference between a 7 turn and a 5 turn clock, and the difference between a 3 and 5 power creature is a 4 turn and a 7 clock).
Really, for tribute to be taken seriously there needs to be a relevant EtB ability from the start that gets better if tribute isn't paid, but is relevant if it does.
explore? I dont see it yo, but I loved explore and would welcome it back
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I like some of the other ideas brewing on here. A creature that could get beefy from a tribute or your opponent has to sacrifice a land sounds pretty good in my opinion.
Oracle of Mul Daya seems realistic I guess.
There are a lot of potentials.
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I honestly could see this being true. Nykthos is a pretty powerful card, and although they might not be directly targeting it, I'm sure Ruinblaster variant would be a good red uncommon for this type of thing. If I had to guess, it would be like this:
Minotaur Landbreaker 2R
Creature - Minotaur (Uncommon)
Tribute 2
Haste
When ~ etb, iic it's tribute cost wasn't played, destroy target land.
2/2
Another really powerful uncommon card that utilizes Tribute to a full benefit.
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wow wow wow right there.
We all know wizards do not print land destruction in 3cc, but you try to balance this out because the opponent can choose to face a 4/4 haste from turn 3 and on? at uncommon?
Make it 2/1 and tribute 1 and I can see this card in the realm of printability.
Tribute 1 would be underwhelming and 2/1 too easy to get rid of. i coulf see tribute 2 1/2 giving them the choice of a 3/4 that doesn't die to bolt or a 1/2 that blow a land.
I could see Avenger. Pretty easy tribute design - either he's huge (and tramply, I would hope) or he puts a bunch of tokens into play.
exploer, deprive(which is the least likeliest because to me perosonally two drop counter magic might be abit strong in this meta), goblin ruinblaster with tribute(again a bad mechanic in my opinion so don't really see this happening) or a oracle of mul draya with a inspired mechanic attached(which to me is the overall better mechanic) though overall to me looking at all the cards in the list i think explore seem the most likely cause it's already attached to kiora(who is pretty much unplayable in a competitive format) and is overall a great card.