I'm a huge fan of Flesh/Blood. Especially in conjunction with Sylvan Caryatid as it can sometimes sneak a win without even having lethal on board numerically. So much so have I had success with casting both halves, I am currently considering putting 2-3 Reaper of the Wilds somewhere. I know it is a crowded spot on this deck but the scry 1 is so useful and really synergises well with Domri or helps when a domri got killed off. The hexproof on demand is also useful on occasion; deathtouch is obviously not used much, but in a pinch you can tap and caryatid and pop the one fatting ruining your parade (Mirror match perhaps?).
To be honest, the reaper idea is just something floating around. I'm going to test it as I always seem to have a caryatid by turn 4. I'm no innovator so it could turn out horribly, but having only 2 in the deck doesnt seem too harmful. I'll get back to you on it, though I doubt many will think me wise for trying it this friday.
I'm currently on Jund Monsters ... it started as Gruul Monsters with a couple black shocklands to better be able to cast both halves of Flesh//Blood drifted to Golgari splashing red very briefly as I was even trying Varolz, the Scar-Striped at three in addition to some number of Reaper of the Wilds. The only black creature I would argue people should try is honestly Dreg Mangler in the Boon Satyr slot. The black splash also gives you some interesting sideboard options - go back a few posts and find my previous entries if you want to see more.
EDIT: started a variant thread to move any further discussion along these lines there
At the moment it looks overkill with those bunch of creatures and needs be curved. It's just an idea how it could work
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Some of those cards would be good for that deck. But that deck is not what this Primer is about. This is the G/r Aggro/Midrange thread. Not the 4 BTE/Nykthos devotion thread.
Are we allowed to talk about BTG cards in here yet?
Anyone seen the online lists splashing white for main deck selesnya charms? Also runs chains and assembles in the sb. Can't figure out how to post the deck here but it's on mtggoldfish.com
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I played a GR splash W build in GP Vancouver, going 6-3. My 3 losses were to 2 White Weenie decks, and 1 Big Red that I think I misplayed against. Lost a win and in vs White Weenies to miss out on day 2.
My Mainboard was exactly the same as the above list with a slightly different sideboard.
Deck felt awesome. White splash seems like it's just straight correct in the meta, not only makes it so mono blue isn't a bad matchup but makes it an actual GOOD matchup. Not sure how to beat White Weenies though, if they win the die roll that gives them 2 games on the play which spells trouble for us.
I also played RG splash white last night at FNM. Ended up going 3-3, and also had trouble against aggro decks, but I think it was my sideboard choices more than anything. I think I like a 4th chained to the rocks over an assemble, since early unconditional removal is preferred over a t3 assemble (ideally), where I have fatties I'd rather play. I also think I like Ruric thar over the assemble as well. I know that assemble is unbeatable in mono black, but I would still rather play threats that impact immediately. Plus I already have xenagos for mono black. I am kind of scared against this matchup post BNG with some of their removal additions though and am wondering if splashing white will still be the best idea.
Prehaps this is a new stadard/core for monsters looking forward.
The thing I've noticed is the lack of Fanatic ofXenagos in all these list. I suppose Courser is that much better at our end goal and Fanatic is a little too "aggro"
Edit: Right after posting this I see CVM has it in his monsters list.
Prehaps this is a new stadard/core for monsters looking forward.
The thing I've noticed is the lack of Fanatic of Xenagos in all these list. I suppose Courser is that much better at our end goal and Fanatic is a little too "aggro"
Edit: Right after posting this I see CVM has it in his monsters list.
Temple of Triumph and no Temple of Abandon? That just makes no sense to me.
R/W Temple + Forest =/= Chained to the Rocks
R/W Temple + Forest =/= Assemble the Legion
This seems like the worst way to do the splash. Even if we're cutting Temple of Abandon, it seems like Temple of Plenty is the one that we actually want.
Temple of Triumph and no Temple of Abandon? That just makes no sense to me.
R/W Temple + Forest =/= Chained to the Rocks
R/W Temple + Forest =/= Assemble the Legion
This seems like the worst way to do the splash. Even if we're cutting Temple of Abandon, it seems like Temple of Plenty is the one that we actually want.
Temple of Triumph and no Temple of Abandon? That just makes no sense to me.
R/W Temple + Forest =/= Chained to the Rocks
R/W Temple + Forest =/= Assemble the Legion
This seems like the worst way to do the splash. Even if we're cutting Temple of Abandon, it seems like Temple of Plenty is the one that we actually want.
Pretty sure that was just a typo on their part. Im 100% sure its supposed to be temple of abandon
Prehaps this is a new stadard/core for monsters looking forward.
The thing I've noticed is the lack of Fanatic ofXenagos in all these list. I suppose Courser is that much better at our end goal and Fanatic is a little too "aggro"
Edit: Right after posting this I see CVM has it in his monsters list.
I think I would take out one courser, one mizzium, or 2 oozez for 2 flesh // blood since it goes so well with xenagos god ability, but I'm not sure. I'll try it out both ways
Fanatic is pretty terrible. Its a 4/4 do nothing. Courser is much better.
Terrible is a stretch, but I'm not sure if there's room in the deck for another 4/4 trampler. There's already Ghor-Clan Rampager which IMO is a much better card, but still kind of meh when cast as a creature.
Perhaps this is a new standard/core for monsters looking forward.
The thing I've noticed is the lack of Fanatic of Xenagos in all these list. I suppose Courser is that much better at our end goal and Fanatic is a little too "aggro"
Edit: Right after posting this I see CVM has it in his monsters list.
I like Fanatic of Xenagos, but I guess they're building a much more midgame style rather early swinger. Courser of Kruphix over Fanatic of Xenagos only make sense to defend Domri Rade to ultimate. I have tested similar version where Fanatic of Xenagos over Courser of Kruphix and all I care is offense and forget defense, unless I'm at losing end, which makes Domri defenseless. I still feels like running 3 Xenagod instead.
EDIT : I have tested the above list and it is pretty insane ! The only change I made was to move 3 Mizzium Mortars to SB and 2 Chandra, Pyromaster to MB with 24 lands. The synergy between Courser of Kruphix, Domri Rade and/or Chandra, Pyromaster along with scryland is great. Perhaps I was wrong about the card to fit in GR Monsters.
I like Fanatic of Xenagos, but I guess they're building a much more midgame style rather early swinger. Courser of Kruphix over Fanatic of Xenagos only make sense to defend Domri Rade to ultimate. I have tested similar version where Fanatic of Xenagos over Courser of Kruphix and all I care is offense and forget defense, unless I'm at losing end, which makes Domri defenseless. I still feels like running 3 Xenagod instead.
EDIT : I have tested the above list and it is pretty insane ! The only change I made was to move 3 Mizzium Mortars to SB and 2 Chandra, Pyromaster to MB with 24 lands. The synergy between Courser of Kruphix, Domri Rade and/or Chandra, Pyromaster along with scryland is great. Perhaps I was wrong about the card to fit in GR Monsters.
it seems rough taking out all of our removal(aside from domri). We are pretty weak to turn 2 pack rat. And mortars is pretty good against monoblue which isnt the best matchup game 1.
Now it may be right to move one to the board for 1 chandra, which seems pretty good.
it seems rough taking out all of our removal(aside from domri). We are pretty weak to turn 2 pack rat. And mortars is pretty good against monoblue which isnt the best matchup game 1.
Now it may be right to move one to the board for 1 chandra, which seems pretty good.
I cut 1 Xenagos, the Reveler to make room for 1 Chandra, Pyromaster MB.
I disagree, this is supposed to be a fairly aggressive deck and Fanatic does much more in that regard.
Also: Don't underestimate that Fanatic has Trample, which is highly revelant when "Xenagod" is on the battlefield.
Been testing him this weekend. He's been consistently terrible in every matchup. If they have removal, they just pay the tribute and kill him. If they don't, then you get 1 good hit and a worse Loxodon Smiter (which is already borderline unplayable itself).
If you watch CVM's video, he also advocates cutting him from the list, as Kibler and others have already done.
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Retired Legacy: Merfolk, Goblins, Jund, Delver, Reanimator
Been testing him this weekend. He's been consistently terrible in every matchup. If they have removal, they just pay the tribute and kill him. If they don't, then you get 1 good hit and a worse Loxodon Smiter (which is already borderline unplayable itself).
If you watch CVM's video, he also advocates cutting him from the list, as Kibler and others have already done.
I concur 100%. Fanatic isn't necessarily "bad", he's just been totally underwhelming. A 3-mana 3/3 isn't terrible...but...After playing with him, I realize I'd rather have Boon Satyr. I don't think Tribute is good enough, with your opponent picking how it turns out. It's fine if you're going for some sort of Blitz strategy, but GR Monsters really wants to peak during the mid-game. I think Courser just accomplishes everything better. It'll keep gaining us life, fix our Domri/Chandra activations, and provide a solid road-block against some of the faster decks.
what's everyone's opinion on Courser over Boon Satyr?
aside from:
-1 Mizzium
-1 Xenagos, the reveler
+2 Flesh//Blood
MB change in the Chapin/Kibler list that i'd personally make for sure, I'm just not sure about them.
personally, i think that Courser is going to smooth out the land/threats. With Domri + courser you will almost always be getting an extra card. that seems good to me.
I concur 100%. Fanatic isn't necessarily "bad", he's just been totally underwhelming. A 3-mana 3/3 isn't terrible...but...After playing with him, I realize I'd rather have Boon Satyr. I don't think Tribute is good enough, with your opponent picking how it turns out. It's fine if you're going for some sort of Blitz strategy, but GR Monsters really wants to peak during the mid-game. I think Courser just accomplishes everything better. It'll keep gaining us life, fix our Domri/Chandra activations, and provide a solid road-block against some of the faster decks.
courser makes knowing whether or not to 0 chandra or just to +1 her. Seems pretty good.
The only downside Courser of Kruphix is that opponent knows what's coming to your hand and they can time their play well, especially to control players.
I'm currently on Jund Monsters ... it started as Gruul Monsters with a couple black shocklands to better be able to cast both halves of Flesh//Blood drifted to Golgari splashing red very briefly as I was even trying Varolz, the Scar-Striped at three in addition to some number of Reaper of the Wilds. The only black creature I would argue people should try is honestly Dreg Mangler in the Boon Satyr slot. The black splash also gives you some interesting sideboard options - go back a few posts and find my previous entries if you want to see more.
EDIT: started a variant thread to move any further discussion along these lines there
Some of those cards would be good for that deck. But that deck is not what this Primer is about. This is the G/r Aggro/Midrange thread. Not the 4 BTE/Nykthos devotion thread.
Are we allowed to talk about BTG cards in here yet?
Standard:RWUJeskai WinsRWU
Modern:GWBMelira PodGWB
Legacy:WDeath & TaxesW
4 Elvish Mystic
3 Scavenging Ooze
3 Sylvan Caryatid
3 Boon Saytr
4 Ghor-Clan Rampager
4 Polukranos, World Eater
4 Stormbreath Dragon
Planeswalkers (7)
4 Domri Rade
3 Xenagos, the Reveller
3 Magma Jet
2 Mizzium Mortars
Lands (23)
4 Stomping Ground
4 Temple of Abandon
2 Mutavault
5 Mountain
8 Forest
2 Destructive Revelry
4 Mistcutter Hydra
2 Mizzium Mortars
2 Gruul Charm
3 Nylea’s Disciple
2 Chandra, Pyromaster
Sideboarding :
In: 4 Mistcutter Hydra, 2 Mizzium Mortars, 2 Gruul Charm,
Out: 3 Boon Saytr, 4 Ghor-Clan Rampager, 1 Stormbreath Dragon
Mono Black
In: 2 Mizzium Mortars, 2 Chandra, Pyromaster
Out: 4 Ghor-Clan Rampager
Esper and U/W
In: 2 Destructive Revelry, 4 Mistcutter Hydra, 2 Chandra, Pyromancer
Out: 4 Ghor-Clan Rampager, 1 Scavenging Ooze, 3 Magma Jet
Red Deck Wins
In: 2 Mizzium Mortars, 3 Nylea’s Disciple
Out: 4 Stormbreath Dragon, 1 Boon Satyr
White Weenie
In: 2 Mizzium Mortars, 3 Nylea’s Disciple
Out: 2 Ghor-Clan Rampager, 3 Boon Satyr
R/G Devotion
In: 2 Gruul Charm, 2 Chandra, Pyromaster
out: 3 Scavenging Ooze, 1 Magma Jet
Interesting choice of cards I would say, especially MB Magma Jet and SB Gruul Charm and Nylea's Disciple. I like it but perhaps Kalonian Tusker over Scavenging Ooze ?
Modern : RG Titan Shift RG | RG Revolt Zoo RG | RG Ponza RG | RGW Naya Burn RGW
Legacy : RG Belcher RG
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4 Elvish Mystic
4 Ghor-Clan Rampager
4 Polukranos, World Eater
3 Scavenging Ooze
4 Stormbreath Dragon
3 Sylvan Caryatid
3 Witchstalker
Spells
4 Domri Rade
2 Mizzium Mortars
3 Selesnya Charm
3 Xenagos the Reveler
5 Forest
2 Mountain
4 Sacred Foundry
4 Stomping Ground
4 Temple Garden
4 Temple of Abandon
2 Assemble the Legion
3 Chained to the Rocks
2 Chandra Pyromaster
1 Destructive Revelry
4 Mistcutter Hydra
2 Mizzium Mortars
1 Wear // Tear
Looks nice with splash white.
Modern : RG Titan Shift RG | RG Revolt Zoo RG | RG Ponza RG | RGW Naya Burn RGW
Legacy : RG Belcher RG
My Mainboard was exactly the same as the above list with a slightly different sideboard.
Deck felt awesome. White splash seems like it's just straight correct in the meta, not only makes it so mono blue isn't a bad matchup but makes it an actual GOOD matchup. Not sure how to beat White Weenies though, if they win the die roll that gives them 2 games on the play which spells trouble for us.
4 Ghor-Clan Rampager
2 Scavenging Ooze
4 Stormbreath Dragon
3 Sylvan Caryatid
4 Courser of Kruphix
4 Polukranos, World Eater
2 Xenagos, God of Revels
3 Xenagos, the Reveler
8 Forest
5 Mountain
2 Mutavault
4 Stomping Ground
4 Temple of Triumph
Prehaps this is a new stadard/core for monsters looking forward.
The thing I've noticed is the lack of Fanatic ofXenagos in all these list. I suppose Courser is that much better at our end goal and Fanatic is a little too "aggro"
Edit: Right after posting this I see CVM has it in his monsters list.
Standard:RWUJeskai WinsRWU
Modern:GWBMelira PodGWB
Legacy:WDeath & TaxesW
Temple of Triumph and no Temple of Abandon? That just makes no sense to me.
R/W Temple + Forest =/= Chained to the Rocks
R/W Temple + Forest =/= Assemble the Legion
This seems like the worst way to do the splash. Even if we're cutting Temple of Abandon, it seems like Temple of Plenty is the one that we actually want.
It's probably a typo.
Pretty sure that was just a typo on their part. Im 100% sure its supposed to be temple of abandon
Standard:RWUJeskai WinsRWU
Modern:GWBMelira PodGWB
Legacy:WDeath & TaxesW
I think I would take out one courser, one mizzium, or 2 oozez for 2 flesh // blood since it goes so well with xenagos god ability, but I'm not sure. I'll try it out both ways
Terrible is a stretch, but I'm not sure if there's room in the deck for another 4/4 trampler. There's already Ghor-Clan Rampager which IMO is a much better card, but still kind of meh when cast as a creature.
I like Fanatic of Xenagos, but I guess they're building a much more midgame style rather early swinger. Courser of Kruphix over Fanatic of Xenagos only make sense to defend Domri Rade to ultimate. I have tested similar version where Fanatic of Xenagos over Courser of Kruphix and all I care is offense and forget defense, unless I'm at losing end, which makes Domri defenseless. I still feels like running 3 Xenagod instead.
EDIT : I have tested the above list and it is pretty insane ! The only change I made was to move 3 Mizzium Mortars to SB and 2 Chandra, Pyromaster to MB with 24 lands. The synergy between Courser of Kruphix, Domri Rade and/or Chandra, Pyromaster along with scryland is great. Perhaps I was wrong about the card to fit in GR Monsters.
Modern : RG Titan Shift RG | RG Revolt Zoo RG | RG Ponza RG | RGW Naya Burn RGW
Legacy : RG Belcher RG
it seems rough taking out all of our removal(aside from domri). We are pretty weak to turn 2 pack rat. And mortars is pretty good against monoblue which isnt the best matchup game 1.
Now it may be right to move one to the board for 1 chandra, which seems pretty good.
Standard:RWUJeskai WinsRWU
Modern:GWBMelira PodGWB
Legacy:WDeath & TaxesW
I cut 1 Xenagos, the Reveler to make room for 1 Chandra, Pyromaster MB.
Modern : RG Titan Shift RG | RG Revolt Zoo RG | RG Ponza RG | RGW Naya Burn RGW
Legacy : RG Belcher RG
Been testing him this weekend. He's been consistently terrible in every matchup. If they have removal, they just pay the tribute and kill him. If they don't, then you get 1 good hit and a worse Loxodon Smiter (which is already borderline unplayable itself).
If you watch CVM's video, he also advocates cutting him from the list, as Kibler and others have already done.
Standard: I, for one, welcome our new rhinoceros overlords
Modern: Pod's dead, Bob's back.
Legacy: Lands, Deathblade, Death and Taxes, Elves, MUD
Retired Legacy: Merfolk, Goblins, Jund, Delver, Reanimator
I concur 100%. Fanatic isn't necessarily "bad", he's just been totally underwhelming. A 3-mana 3/3 isn't terrible...but...After playing with him, I realize I'd rather have Boon Satyr. I don't think Tribute is good enough, with your opponent picking how it turns out. It's fine if you're going for some sort of Blitz strategy, but GR Monsters really wants to peak during the mid-game. I think Courser just accomplishes everything better. It'll keep gaining us life, fix our Domri/Chandra activations, and provide a solid road-block against some of the faster decks.
aside from:
-1 Mizzium
-1 Xenagos, the reveler
+2 Flesh//Blood
MB change in the Chapin/Kibler list that i'd personally make for sure, I'm just not sure about them.
personally, i think that Courser is going to smooth out the land/threats. With Domri + courser you will almost always be getting an extra card. that seems good to me.
courser makes knowing whether or not to 0 chandra or just to +1 her. Seems pretty good.
Modern : RG Titan Shift RG | RG Revolt Zoo RG | RG Ponza RG | RGW Naya Burn RGW
Legacy : RG Belcher RG