What does everyone think about me renaming the "DfC" section to "Developing Competitive" and just stickying decks in that forum with official tags? You know, the "good" ones. Decks like MBC, GW aggro, etc would go there (you know, decks that see play at FNMs and whatnot but you wont see at PTs).
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What does everyone think about me renaming the "DfC" section to "Developing Competitive" and just stickying decks in that forum with official tags? You know, the "good" ones. Decks like MBC, GW aggro, etc would go there (you know, decks that see play at FNMs and whatnot but you wont see at PTs).
I definitely like that idea, and I think it's about the best solution possible.
And Ryxsyn, my comment wasn't about you. You and I had a fairly indepth debate, I think about Dream Fracture vs. Cancel. Just about every angle was covered, and we all made our decision. I just dislike that people keep revisiting the same thing but without any new justification for one card over the other (Many of the posts being "use cancel over dream fracture" with no argument given at all).
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I definitely like that idea, and I think it's about the best solution possible.
And Ryxsyn, my comment wasn't about you. You and I had a fairly indepth debate, I think about Dream Fracture vs. Cancel. Just about every angle was covered, and we all made our decision. I just dislike that people keep revisiting the same thing but without any new justification for one card over the other (Many of the posts being "use cancel over dream fracture" with no argument given at all).
True for the most part we are on the same page and i do value your deck building skills and well..posting skills since i cant say that ive ever seen you play..>.>
for the record i was arguing for neither of the 2 above..
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I think this is a great policy, however can we have a consensus on what looks like the new meta, at least from block builds?
block decks:
UB Faeries
WW Kithkin Mirrormaster
5-color Reflecting Pool (Quick and Toast)
GWB Doran
GB Elves can be transplanted
Merfolk (either 5-color, UG, or UW)
G/GW Little Kid
possible new decks?
any of the 5 shards
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I think this is a great policy, however can we have a consensus on what looks like the new meta, at least from block builds?
block decks:
UB Faeries
WW Kithkin Mirrormaster
5-color Reflecting Pool (Quick and Toast)
GWB Doran
GB Elves can be transplanted
Merfolk (either 5-color, UG, or UW)
G/GW Little Kid
possible new decks?
any of the 5 shards
Time will tell..2 or 3 weeks or until a large tourny happens id assume..
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You left out tokens/torrent, and any sort of permission/denial based control (W/U, WUB control), and WUG Stoic Angel control.
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What does everyone think about me renaming the "DfC" section to "Developing Competitive" and just stickying decks in that forum with official tags? You know, the "good" ones. Decks like MBC, GW aggro, etc would go there (you know, decks that see play at FNMs and whatnot but you wont see at PTs).
Yay.
Happy that something is finally being done for this.
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DFC is one of the great ways to establish a new archetype.
i mean, Swans decks started there.:):)
And it would have happened a LOT faster if it wasn't thrown in with decks that are budgeted or casual.
There was a lot of controversy where swans should go, and there was no middle ground. I'm sure the competitive players would care less if it was in Developing competitive, and the other members would be quite happy, because it isn't AS competitive, but it sure isn't DfC worthy.
What does everyone think about me renaming the "DfC" section to "Developing Competitive" and just stickying decks in that forum with official tags? You know, the "good" ones. Decks like MBC, GW aggro, etc would go there (you know, decks that see play at FNMs and whatnot but you wont see at PTs).
Please do this! I've wanted a stickied DfC section for a while now.
I don't care whether the subforum is called "DfC" or "developing competitive" (I slightly prefer DfC because putting "competitive" in the title could scare away casual deckbuilders, who are allowed to post there (I think?). Also, DfC better reflects the quality of most of the decks posted there.) If it ain't broke don't fix it, I reckon.
What does everyone think about me renaming the "DfC" section to "Developing Competitive" and just stickying decks in that forum with official tags? You know, the "good" ones. Decks like MBC, GW aggro, etc would go there (you know, decks that see play at FNMs and whatnot but you wont see at PTs).
Nice. but where would the homebrew decks be? they'd be underneath all the stickied threads, under a pile of doran rocks.
GB Elves <-man I hate this deck, it has a 50/50 matchup against Tier 1/2 but loses to jank aggro most of the time. UB Faeries <-only reason it's good is because of all those people that's still playing 5CC. WB Tokens <-so boring, there's only 2 ways to play this deck. RB Blightning <-Autopilotting you to victory 0-2 drop.
???B Super Secret Tech <-dude, this thing is nuts! 90/10 against all matchups.
The sticky idea definitely solves the developing competitive decks... and I might suggest decks could get voted a sticky
Remember Swans got a sticky and it was a terrible deck. But people did stick with the deck and eventually figured it out??? At the same time we had Enchanted Evening deck which was a very solid tier 1.5 and far more playable than Swans... but eventually that one died because of a lack of love
EE deck would have deserved a sticky and then died out like project 420
but how to handle decks there now??? there are 10 differnt Jund threads...10 different Grixis threads... 10 different BW zombie threads
Could people be encouraged to put like minded decks in a similar thread?
Then you have people like Dr. Jeebus who thinks his deck is the best deck ever and maybe sneers zombie decks
(even though with work, many teir 2 decks can become competive - ie swans. So many people are too quick to judge new designs harshly with a herd like mentality)
There's a whole bunch of decks from each shard flooding the forum currently but I think it was like that when eventide came out too and since this is a big set, obv a bigger selection of new decks. It'll probably settle down soon. I also just remembered that I wanted to point out that there are many versions of still viable Swans. I remember a Nationals with about 3 Swans and 3 Lark. Only like one of each was combo.
What does everyone think about me renaming the "DfC" section to "Developing Competitive" and just stickying decks in that forum with official tags? You know, the "good" ones. Decks like MBC, GW aggro, etc would go there (you know, decks that see play at FNMs and whatnot but you wont see at PTs).
Seventyseconded
And, btw, when are threads like Mono Red Storm going to disappear from the Competitive forum?
Yeah, that's been the problem in the past.
Thanks everyone for being so supportive of this change.
Supportive hell i'm damn near IMPATIENT. I am starting to get sick of 8 threads a day stating ESPER Control a different deck <insert deck here> ESPER AggroControl here <insert same deck here>
New JUND Deck comment plz
One of a kind JUND
right now we could run on 7-9 threads instead of the "spam" that goes on. People can't read what other people are posting, and then what do they do cause their 6th Grixis deck didn't get a comment? They post again. When the post right above them has 3 pages of posts already for a deck thats the SAME friggin thing....
Sorry i guess i am anxious for the change since people have a hard time reading and responding to other peoples posts (it has to be their own)
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Supportive hell i'm damn near IMPATIENT. I am starting to get sick of 8 threads a day stating ESPER Control a different deck <insert deck here> ESPER AggroControl here <insert same deck here>
New JUND Deck comment plz
One of a kind JUND
right now we could run on 7-9 threads instead of the "spam" that goes on. People can't read what other people are posting, and then what do they do cause their 6th Grixis deck didn't get a comment? They post again. When the post right above them has 3 pages of posts already for a deck thats the SAME friggin thing....
Sorry i guess i am anxious for the change since people have a hard time reading and responding to other peoples posts (it has to be their own)
Wild Meta FTL..:mad:
Needed to vent..
I can't make everyone happy, though.
There's little way to prevent that sort of thing from happening no matter what new system I implement.
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Problem solved IMO..
ie. R/W aggro B/W aggro "Esper Control" U/W Control kinda threads possibly.
You wouldnt have to "watch it"(as in spam ect) as closely as the competitive threads but still have better "police" of the threads..
I like the idea makes sense.
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I'll make an announcement this Sunday about it, since the Release will be over by then and all.
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And Ryxsyn, my comment wasn't about you. You and I had a fairly indepth debate, I think about Dream Fracture vs. Cancel. Just about every angle was covered, and we all made our decision. I just dislike that people keep revisiting the same thing but without any new justification for one card over the other (Many of the posts being "use cancel over dream fracture" with no argument given at all).
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True for the most part we are on the same page and i do value your deck building skills and well..posting skills since i cant say that ive ever seen you play..>.>
for the record i was arguing for neither of the 2 above..
hatred
I will flay the skin from your flesh,
the flesh from your bones,
and scrape your bones dry,
and still you will not have suffered enough!
Quote the Ryxsyn;
NeVeRMoRe!
You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain!
-Harvey Dent
block decks:
UB Faeries
WW Kithkin Mirrormaster
5-color Reflecting Pool (Quick and Toast)
GWB Doran
GB Elves can be transplanted
Merfolk (either 5-color, UG, or UW)
G/GW Little Kid
possible new decks?
any of the 5 shards
Time will tell..2 or 3 weeks or until a large tourny happens id assume..
hatred
I will flay the skin from your flesh,
the flesh from your bones,
and scrape your bones dry,
and still you will not have suffered enough!
Quote the Ryxsyn;
NeVeRMoRe!
You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain!
-Harvey Dent
Wizards could put $100 bills in packs and people would complain about how they were folded.
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Yay.
Happy that something is finally being done for this.
and eyes are full of death besides
but luckily the soul is wise -
it sees beyond my blindness and
forced failure makes a better guise,
so as i come again alive,
it feels like life's a decent plan
i mean, Swans decks started there.:):)
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And it would have happened a LOT faster if it wasn't thrown in with decks that are budgeted or casual.
There was a lot of controversy where swans should go, and there was no middle ground. I'm sure the competitive players would care less if it was in Developing competitive, and the other members would be quite happy, because it isn't AS competitive, but it sure isn't DfC worthy.
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Please do this! I've wanted a stickied DfC section for a while now.
I don't care whether the subforum is called "DfC" or "developing competitive" (I slightly prefer DfC because putting "competitive" in the title could scare away casual deckbuilders, who are allowed to post there (I think?). Also, DfC better reflects the quality of most of the decks posted there.) If it ain't broke don't fix it, I reckon.
Nice. but where would the homebrew decks be? they'd be underneath all the stickied threads, under a pile of doran rocks.
GB Elves <-man I hate this deck, it has a 50/50 matchup against Tier 1/2 but loses to jank aggro most of the time.
UB Faeries <-only reason it's good is because of all those people that's still playing 5CC.
WB Tokens <-so boring, there's only 2 ways to play this deck.
RB Blightning <-Autopilotting you to
victory0-2 drop.???B Super Secret Tech <-dude, this thing is nuts! 90/10 against all matchups.
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Events.aspx?x=mtgevent/gpden08/day1#2
It's the last winning list of the GPTs. There's been numerous other Top 8s and wins though. The deck at this point is actually very similar to Elves lists with only a few changes.
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Remember Swans got a sticky and it was a terrible deck. But people did stick with the deck and eventually figured it out??? At the same time we had Enchanted Evening deck which was a very solid tier 1.5 and far more playable than Swans... but eventually that one died because of a lack of love
EE deck would have deserved a sticky and then died out like project 420
but how to handle decks there now??? there are 10 differnt Jund threads...10 different Grixis threads... 10 different BW zombie threads
Could people be encouraged to put like minded decks in a similar thread?
Then you have people like Dr. Jeebus who thinks his deck is the best deck ever and maybe sneers zombie decks
(even though with work, many teir 2 decks can become competive - ie swans. So many people are too quick to judge new designs harshly with a herd like mentality)
I look forward to the changes
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L1 Judge
it took time for a consensus for working with targeted discard as the solution for that bad deck ...bad for 90% of the season
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Seventyseconded
And, btw, when are threads like Mono Red Storm going to disappear from the Competitive forum?
I believe he has answered that already with the i will change it when a large tourney and results show up...
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the flesh from your bones,
and scrape your bones dry,
and still you will not have suffered enough!
Quote the Ryxsyn;
NeVeRMoRe!
You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain!
-Harvey Dent
Yeah, that's been the problem in the past.
Thanks everyone for being so supportive of this change.
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Supportive hell i'm damn near IMPATIENT. I am starting to get sick of 8 threads a day stating ESPER Control a different deck <insert deck here> ESPER AggroControl here <insert same deck here>
New JUND Deck comment plz
One of a kind JUND
right now we could run on 7-9 threads instead of the "spam" that goes on. People can't read what other people are posting, and then what do they do cause their 6th Grixis deck didn't get a comment? They post again. When the post right above them has 3 pages of posts already for a deck thats the SAME friggin thing....
Sorry i guess i am anxious for the change since people have a hard time reading and responding to other peoples posts (it has to be their own)
Wild Meta FTL..:mad:
Needed to vent..
hatred
I will flay the skin from your flesh,
the flesh from your bones,
and scrape your bones dry,
and still you will not have suffered enough!
Quote the Ryxsyn;
NeVeRMoRe!
You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain!
-Harvey Dent
I can't make everyone happy, though.
There's little way to prevent that sort of thing from happening no matter what new system I implement.
Read my Constructed column on Star City, Thirst for Knowledge!
View my MTGS-era TFK articles here!
Oh, i totally understand. But it will help!!
hatred
I will flay the skin from your flesh,
the flesh from your bones,
and scrape your bones dry,
and still you will not have suffered enough!
Quote the Ryxsyn;
NeVeRMoRe!
You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain!
-Harvey Dent