I have a 360-card cube and my players are reacting to the lack of outlets for sacrificing and discarding cards. Surely, I already have some, like Wild Mongrel, Psychatog, Greater Gargadon, etc. (will post a cube list when I get around to it), but there are just not enough and some archetypes seem to suffer from it, like reanimator and lots of decks with sui-stuff that wants to get rid of Bob/arena, other decks again might want to get rid of enchantments simply because they get in the way in a later part of the game or the opponent plays something unexpected.
My question is then; what are good choices for sac. outlets (mostly need sacrificing possibilities) and discard outlets that are useable in cube? Hope this hasn't been answered in another thread and thanks for all comments :).
re sac:
in my exerience getting rid of a Bob in an aggresive build is never really a problem, since I tend to win with/lose against a truly aggressive deck, when the more controlling player can't get rid of him. worst case, you could throw a spotremoval at him.
Phyrexian Arena sometimes gets Disenchanted by its owner after a long Control-mirror.
There is no true sac-archetye in my cube, but Braids/Smokestack-decks occur often, favorably paired with Squee, Crucible of Worlds or Bloodghast.
re discard:
Discard cards should be good on their own and work in different archetypes (ie: Looters, Masticores, Survival etc.), imho especially in a smaller cube. How many reanimation-spells do you cube with?
When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
Except it's in one of the most competitive casting cost slots in the entire cube. White's 5-drops are way too good for World Queller, IMO. Way too good.
in queller's defense, i think it's maybe the best card mentioned in this thread that most people aren't already running. not good enough for the average cube, but not a bad choice if you wanted to push sacrifice themes.
When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
When I see Healing Salve, I'm often like "Oh girl, I wish I could turn every card into this." Thanks they removed the gain life part, otherwise this would have been broken.
There's also High Market. Like Miren, it lost a lot because of the removal of stacked damage. On the plus side, it doesn't cost you mana to activate it.
Hey I'm considering cutting Heir of Falkenrath because only ever being able to discard once often isn't enough. What are some other black, repeatable discard outlets for reanimator? We already play the Prowler and at 360, and I feel like I want one more repeatable black discard outlet. Have people tried Cryptbreaker, Putrid Imp, Olivia's Dragoon, or raven's crime? Or is it better to just stick with the Heir for its mediocre ability to be played in aggro?
Rotting Regisaur has replaced Heir in my 540 cube. Cryptbreaker has been fairly decent, seeing slightly more play in aggro shells than combo... I also like but don't have room for Miasmic Mummy as a flexible option between a one-time discard enabler and value/disruption (more in pauper, especially if you support white or blue blink).
Yawgmoth and Rankle both cost 4, so very much too slow for combo-style reanimator, but can help with a value-recursion strategy.
Ransack the Lab is a great filtration effect and should be played in more cubes than it currently is.
I still run Heir because it's a fine aggro card in addition to being a discard outlet. But yes, Regisaur is better in the decks that really want to fill the graveyard.
I have a 360-card cube and my players are reacting to the lack of outlets for sacrificing and discarding cards. Surely, I already have some, like Wild Mongrel, Psychatog, Greater Gargadon, etc. (will post a cube list when I get around to it), but there are just not enough and some archetypes seem to suffer from it, like reanimator and lots of decks with sui-stuff that wants to get rid of Bob/arena, other decks again might want to get rid of enchantments simply because they get in the way in a later part of the game or the opponent plays something unexpected.
My question is then; what are good choices for sac. outlets (mostly need sacrificing possibilities) and discard outlets that are useable in cube? Hope this hasn't been answered in another thread and thanks for all comments :).
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In my 485-card cube are those cards:
sac:
Braids, Cabal Minion
Recurring Nightmare
Greater Gargadon
Brion Stoutarm
Smokestack
discard:
Enclave Cryptologist
Looter il-Kor
Forbid
Frantic Search
Thirst for Knowledge
Compulsive Research
Fact or Fiction
Gifts Ungiven
Oona's Prowler
Wheel of Fortune
Wild Mongrel
Fauna Shaman
Life from the Loam
Survival of the Fittest
Krosan Tusker
Stormbind
Gerrad's Verdict
Memory Jar
Masticore
Molten-Tail Masticore
Razormane Masticore
not in my cube atm: Waterfront Bouncer.
re sac:
in my exerience getting rid of a Bob in an aggresive build is never really a problem, since I tend to win with/lose against a truly aggressive deck, when the more controlling player can't get rid of him. worst case, you could throw a spotremoval at him.
Phyrexian Arena sometimes gets Disenchanted by its owner after a long Control-mirror.
There is no true sac-archetye in my cube, but Braids/Smokestack-decks occur often, favorably paired with Squee, Crucible of Worlds or Bloodghast.
re discard:
Discard cards should be good on their own and work in different archetypes (ie: Looters, Masticores, Survival etc.), imho especially in a smaller cube. How many reanimation-spells do you cube with?
Hope I could help.
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Yawgmoth and Rankle both cost 4, so very much too slow for combo-style reanimator, but can help with a value-recursion strategy.
Ransack the Lab is a great filtration effect and should be played in more cubes than it currently is.
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