So I'm wondering if this card is seeing any play in modern.
I like it even if it can be tricky at times. I liek how I can use discard spells during my turn or be ready with Counterspells/Draw/etc. during the opponent turn.
I can't think of why I'd run River of Tears with all of those options.
It's actually a pretty good land in a blue/black delver tempo deck with dark confidants. You don't want to pay life for your lands or have them come into play tapped or tap for colorless mana. Some esper control decks have played 1 of them in the past.
I can't think of why I'd run River of Tears with all of those options.
Because it's better than almost all of those.
RoT doesn't see play because blue and black only see play together as part of three- or four-colour decks with complicated fetches-and-shocks-and-some-manlands-too manabases. In straight UB, it's arguably better than Watery Grave.
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It's actually a pretty good land in a blue/black delver tempo deck with dark confidants. You don't want to pay life for your lands or have them come into play tapped or tap for colorless mana. Some esper control decks have played 1 of them in the past.
It's especially good in decks that want to play targeted discard on Turn 1.
You still need Darkslick Shores or Watery Grave for the times you want to play spot removal on your opponent's turn.
I can't think of why I'd run River of Tears with all of those options.
River of tears is good in a heavy blue deck that needs turn 1-2 black for something like discard. The fact that they always come into play untapped is pretty big. As per them seeing play no decks really play UB, and the ones that do would rather have a shock fetch mana base because they are 4 colors.
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Fair enough, clearly I'm the odd man out on this one. I guess I don't like having to plan around what color mana my land will produce at given times under different conditions. I other words, I don't like it cause I'm lazy.
Edit: just did a search on mtgtop8.com and a total of 17 modern decks have run that card. Several UB Delver lists had it, but only as a 1 or 2 of since they really just have IoK as a target.
Fair enough, clearly I'm the odd man out on this one. I guess I don't like having to plan around what color mana my land will produce at given times under different conditions. I other words, I don't like it cause I'm lazy.
Edit: just did a search on mtgtop8.com and a total of 17 modern decks have run that card. Several UB Delver lists had it, but only as a 1 or 2 of since they really just have IoK as a target.
Im making a grixis delver deck, im going to put one or two in mine. Looks good for the t1 delver.
It's good for replacing basic Island if you feel like you can cheat on basics, but I wouldn't count it soley as UB mana like Creeping Tar Pit/Darkslick Shores/Watery Grave.
It's probably close with Sunken Ruins, and I'd probably play it over Underground River/Secluded Glen/Drowned Catacomb.
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In the end, it's pretty much just worse than Darkslick Shores, and most UB decks are going to want to consider at least a couple copies of Creeping Tar Pit, so there's not a ton of room for it...that said, it's at least as good as Watery Grave, and possibly better, if you're not running a fetchland manabase (which you shouldn't be in a two-colour deck unless you've got another card that synergizes with fetches; UB probably won't).
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If BUG delver becomes more of a thing like it is in legacy, I can easily see it getting some play. It's fairly easy to manipulate early game and by the time that you'll have trouble choosing what many type you want you shouldn't be having mana problems anymore.
It actually works well as you already said. They work great for early game hand disruption as you get land drops. On your opponents turn, they help you cast counterspells instead. It ultimately depends on your deck, but it actually is a pretty good land card, especially for control.
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Because you're playing four Shores and want another non-painful, non-CIPT land? I doubt you'll ever want four but if there was a UB deck in the format I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two.
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So I'm wondering if this card is seeing any play in modern.
I like it even if it can be tricky at times. I liek how I can use discard spells during my turn or be ready with Counterspells/Draw/etc. during the opponent turn.
So far I only saw it in Heartless decks.
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I can't think of why I'd run River of Tears with all of those options.
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It's actually a pretty good land in a blue/black delver tempo deck with dark confidants. You don't want to pay life for your lands or have them come into play tapped or tap for colorless mana. Some esper control decks have played 1 of them in the past.
Because it's better than almost all of those.
RoT doesn't see play because blue and black only see play together as part of three- or four-colour decks with complicated fetches-and-shocks-and-some-manlands-too manabases. In straight UB, it's arguably better than Watery Grave.
It's especially good in decks that want to play targeted discard on Turn 1.
You still need Darkslick Shores or Watery Grave for the times you want to play spot removal on your opponent's turn.
River of tears is good in a heavy blue deck that needs turn 1-2 black for something like discard. The fact that they always come into play untapped is pretty big. As per them seeing play no decks really play UB, and the ones that do would rather have a shock fetch mana base because they are 4 colors.
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Edit: just did a search on mtgtop8.com and a total of 17 modern decks have run that card. Several UB Delver lists had it, but only as a 1 or 2 of since they really just have IoK as a target.
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Im making a grixis delver deck, im going to put one or two in mine. Looks good for the t1 delver.
You can't cast Delver off of River of Tears turn 1 since it will only produce black mana.
It's probably close with Sunken Ruins, and I'd probably play it over Underground River/Secluded Glen/Drowned Catacomb.
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