Speculation is ruining Modern. Dark Confidant went up to 50-60 after Modern was announced but not a singe dark confidant made Top8. Vendillion clique, Life from the Loam, and other cards tripled in value on the basis that they "might be good." This is not healthy.
I do not think it is a good sign that Aaron forsythe said that "reprinting cards in packs is the best way to reprint them." (Or something similar on gg's live).
yet its the most expensive modern card, and one of the few without any replacement....
I mean...some decklists (WUG fae control for example) splashed green just for 4X goyfs as it happened in legacy also.....wasn t that a ban worthy reason in the past (see jitte).
The "ZOMG BAN GOYF" argument has been beaten to death for years. It's always for one of these reason:
1. It's broken (It's not)
2. I can't afford it (I'm sorry)
3. It's in every deck, even in Legacy (It's not)
4. It obsoleted too many creatures (They sucked)
In short, it's not getting banned. Also, would you like some cheese with that whine?
It still amazes me that people still think modern is going to be Legacy-lite, where all the cards are cheap. It'll be the savior of everyone who can't or won't fork over the entry fee to get into the real eternal formats. I'll let you in on a secret: It won't. Even standard isn't cheap, so why the hell should a popular new eternal format be? It boggles my mind. Pull your head out of magical-christmas-land and realize that it's unlikely any format except limited will ever be cheap and affordable. It is NOT in WOTC's best interest for that to happen anyway. Also:
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Combo is a part of magic. If you cant deal with combo then your not a magic player.
On Goyf, I remember hearing pros say that mire boa was the best 2 drop in that block. Let that sink in a minute. Goyf is no where near banable. If people are saying this because of cost, paly cards that remove him. If people are saying this because everyone tries to splash green to play him, learn to build decks and quit netdecking. Hes very easy to deal with in Modern.
As for prices, Wotc would be stupid not to print some type of Modern boosters and sanction Modern drafting. LGS could charge $25 a person per draft and rake in money by the barrel full. Modern gives them the license to more or less print money for themselves. I would be very surprised if they dont do it.
I personally think that WotC should make it so that no card in modern is above $20 average on the secondary market and no mana fixing land is above $10 but that is just me thinking that accessibility to a format makes it a healthier format.
I normally agree with alot you say Tim, but this I can not get behind. This would be one of the more stupid things Wotc would/could do.
Its supply and demand. Once everyone has them the prices will start to come down. To be fair, we all knew some type of format was coming. That was the time to start getting the staples. If you waited till now, you are going to pay to play. Its no different then any other format.
They need to reprint Shocks on the double quick. I personally think Standard could handle Bob again, but that's just me, esp if they print some good black cards to go with him. I'd love to see a card like:
Hymn of the Demon 2BB
Sorcery
Target opponent discards 2 cards at random. If that opponent has 7 or more cards in hand this spell costs 2 less to cast. (It doesn't go all that good with BoB, but its more balanced for standard).
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If Wizards reprints Goyf I'll sprout wings and fly.
Outside of him being printed in whatever block he was supposed to be in the first place it's probably not gonna' happen.
I think they'll reprint Shocks in the block after Innistrad, since it's a return to Ravnica.
And lol @ $40 shoals.
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They need to reprint Shocks on the double quick. I personally think Standard could handle Bob again, but that's just me, esp if they print some good black cards to go with him. I'd love to see a card like:
Hymn of the Demon 2BB
Sorcery
Target opponent discards 2 cards at random. If that opponent has 7 or more cards in hand this spell costs 2 less to cast. (It doesn't go all that good with BoB, but its more balanced for standard).
It is funny people want Hymn back, it was probably the single most complained about card I can ever remember that wasn't banned or restricted. I think they already have a fixed version of it in Stupor.
Forcing someone to discard two cards is a 3 mana effect now, just like countering any spell is a 3 mana effect. No coupons, no discounts. I just hope they don't reprint Blightning, especially with stuff to give it flashback. I still have nightmares.
It is funny people want Hymn back, it was probably the single most complained about card I can ever remember that wasn't banned or restricted. I think they already have a fixed version of it in Stupor.
Forcing someone to discard two cards is a 3 mana effect now, just like countering any spell is a 3 mana effect. No coupons, no discounts. I just hope they don't reprint Blightning, especially with stuff to give it flashback. I still have nightmares.
Awh, what???? Bloodbraid into Blightning was so fun to play against!! :]
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Mhjames: mtgsalvation: I DON'T SEE HOW THIS CARD IS GOOD. I KNOW PATRICK CHAPIN USED IT AND WENT 8-0, BUT THAT WAS A SMALL TOURNAMENT. THE CARD IS TOO SLOW. YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THE OPPONENT HAS A SPELL IN THE GRAVEYARD
It still amazes me that people still think modern is going to be Legacy-lite, where all the cards are cheap. It'll be the savior of everyone who can't or won't fork over the entry fee to get into the real eternal formats. I'll let you in on a secret: It won't. Even standard isn't cheap, so why the hell should a popular new eternal format be? It boggles my mind. Pull your head out of magical-christmas-land and realize that it's unlikely any format except limited will ever be cheap and affordable. It is NOT in WOTC's best interest for that to happen anyway.
1) Modern is not popular yet don't kid yourself. Many more people play Standard, Limited, EDH and Legacy then modern atm
2) WoTC has stated the can and intend to reprint modern staples. Prices will go down.
3) Standard is cheap... most of the time. You normally can have tier 1 for around 200$.
4) A handful of the best decks in modern right now are cheap. Pro tip if you dont play a 4color mana base or gofy your deck really wont be "too" expensive.
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1) Modern is not popular yet don't kid yourself. Many more people play Standard, Limited, EDH and Legacy then modern atm
2) WoTC has stated the can and intend to reprint modern staples. Prices will go down.
3) Standard is cheap... most of the time. You normally can have tier 1 for around 200$.
4) A handful of the best decks in modern right now are cheap. Pro tip if you dont play a 4color mana base or gofy your deck really wont be "too" expensive.
Hmm. unless you are playing RDWs or Kodatha red you are paying over $200 in standard.
Have you priced the decks from the top 8 in Philly? How about top 16? There is a difference between 'playing' and 'competitive'. Anyone can go cheap,but are you going to win with it? I doubt it.
Standard is always going to draw the most people. Edh is a casual format so meh, and Legacy is dieing a slow death because of the restricted list. Modern is what? a month old!! Give it time. Once they sort out the ban list (which is going to take time) the format will start drawing many more players. Dont expect cheap to win in Modern, you are going to have to pay to play.
did a bit of research. according to a graph, it's price started to rise during the last week of august. So is modern doing this? also making meh rares expensive?
3) Standard is cheap... most of the time. You normally can have tier 1 for around 200$.
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The last standard season I played extensively was Alara/Zendikar. Mythic Conscription peaked at nearly $1000, and several other Tier 1 decks were in the $600-$800 range. Sure, you could play RDW for $200, but there were so many white hate cards in the format that playing it was basically suicide. So no, I don't consider standard cheap.
But I digress. The point is, unless WOTC starts reprinting things pretty much immediately, all the people who thought modern was their savior because they didn't want to fork over to get into Legacy are going to get priced out very quickly. I personally don't really care if my Tarmogoyfs and Dark Confidants drop, I bought the things to play with them, not so they could increase exponentially in value. So by all means, commence the reprints - I'd rather be able to buy shocklands for a reasonably price then wonder whether I should be buying actual dual lands instead.
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Combo is a part of magic. If you cant deal with combo then your not a magic player.
If WotC really wants to push organized play, I'd love to see a 10 land pack of shocks as a prize that retailers could use to promote modern. It should cost the retailer maybe $50 which is a nice profit for wizards, but then be given as a tournament prize. Estimated value on that thing is $200, so it would be well worth playing for.
The retailer makes money, the store gets packed out, and the players get shocks. If 500 stores a week did that for a month you would put 2000 sets of shocklands into play.
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If WotC really wants to push organized play, I'd love to see a 10 land pack of shocks as a prize that retailers could use to promote modern. It should cost the retailer maybe $50 which is a nice profit for wizards, but then be given as a tournament prize. Estimated value on that thing is $200, so it would be well worth playing for.
The issue with this is, no retailer would actually sell this for the MSRP. They would sell it for the value of what was in it.
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Modern: UBR Grixis Control
EDH: UB Oona, Queen of the Fae
Combo is a part of magic. If you cant deal with combo then your not a magic player.
If we truly are returning to Ravnica after the Innistrad set, then the shock lands will most likely be seen again within the year. As it is, most of them have dropped significantly in price over the last week. Breeding Pool is still the most expensive, but it's lost about 15 dollars. Temple Garden and Sarcred Foundry are only around 13-14 apiece. I don't think that's an absurd price to pay. We pay 10 apiece for fetch lands without even blinking, and Ravnica lands are quite a bit older, and therefore rarer.
If we truly are returning to Ravnica after the Innistrad set, then the shock lands will most likely be seen again within the year. As it is, most of them have dropped significantly in price over the last week. Breeding Pool is still the most expensive, but it's lost about 15 dollars. Temple Garden and Sarcred Foundry are only around 13-14 apiece. I don't think that's an absurd price to pay. We pay 10 apiece for fetch lands without even blinking, and Ravnica lands are quite a bit older, and therefore rarer.
Keep in mind that fetch lands are staples in Legacy and Vintage, while shocks are awful in formats that have revised dual lands.
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Modern: UBR Grixis Control
EDH: UB Oona, Queen of the Fae
Combo is a part of magic. If you cant deal with combo then your not a magic player.
Another side effect of the absurd prices of shocklands and Aggro/Control staples is that it promotes Combo as an archetype that has much less land and money card requirements. UR Combo decks run at most 2 shocklands and a pile of sub-$5 cards, keeping their costs ridiculously cheap. With the format still in its infancy, many people, mainly non-pros, will flock to combo simply because they can't afford 10 shocklands and a playset of Goyfs, or Vendillion Clique and Dark Confidant for a still nonexistent Control. And all that keeps the presence of combo decks artificially inflated. Hell, Living End is a totally fine deck and it costs how much? $30? Now compare it to the $1000 of Zoo and you see the problem.
I do not think it is a good sign that Aaron forsythe said that "reprinting cards in packs is the best way to reprint them." (Or something similar on gg's live).
Goyf doesn't do anything except attack and block, doesn't even trample or fly, it's the most fair powerful card you can get.
The "ZOMG BAN GOYF" argument has been beaten to death for years. It's always for one of these reason:
1. It's broken (It's not)
2. I can't afford it (I'm sorry)
3. It's in every deck, even in Legacy (It's not)
4. It obsoleted too many creatures (They sucked)
In short, it's not getting banned. Also, would you like some cheese with that whine?
It still amazes me that people still think modern is going to be Legacy-lite, where all the cards are cheap. It'll be the savior of everyone who can't or won't fork over the entry fee to get into the real eternal formats. I'll let you in on a secret: It won't. Even standard isn't cheap, so why the hell should a popular new eternal format be? It boggles my mind. Pull your head out of magical-christmas-land and realize that it's unlikely any format except limited will ever be cheap and affordable. It is NOT in WOTC's best interest for that to happen anyway. Also:
UBRGW T.E.S.
UUUSpiral Tide
Modern:
UBR Grixis Control
EDH:
UB Oona, Queen of the Fae
Combo is a part of magic. If you cant deal with combo then your not a magic player.
As for prices, Wotc would be stupid not to print some type of Modern boosters and sanction Modern drafting. LGS could charge $25 a person per draft and rake in money by the barrel full. Modern gives them the license to more or less print money for themselves. I would be very surprised if they dont do it.
I normally agree with alot you say Tim, but this I can not get behind. This would be one of the more stupid things Wotc would/could do.
At the height of Extended pre-rotation, pain lands were what? $7 each?
Apocalypse/7th painlands were plenty expensive when they were in INV/OD Standard. It always happens.
Hymn of the Demon
2BB
Sorcery
Target opponent discards 2 cards at random. If that opponent has 7 or more cards in hand this spell costs 2 less to cast. (It doesn't go all that good with BoB, but its more balanced for standard).
Outside of him being printed in whatever block he was supposed to be in the first place it's probably not gonna' happen.
I think they'll reprint Shocks in the block after Innistrad, since it's a return to Ravnica.
And lol @ $40 shoals.
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It is funny people want Hymn back, it was probably the single most complained about card I can ever remember that wasn't banned or restricted. I think they already have a fixed version of it in Stupor.
Forcing someone to discard two cards is a 3 mana effect now, just like countering any spell is a 3 mana effect. No coupons, no discounts. I just hope they don't reprint Blightning, especially with stuff to give it flashback. I still have nightmares.
Awh, what???? Bloodbraid into Blightning was so fun to play against!! :]
By: ol MISAKA lo
Cockatrice: Infallible
1) Modern is not popular yet don't kid yourself. Many more people play Standard, Limited, EDH and Legacy then modern atm
2) WoTC has stated the can and intend to reprint modern staples. Prices will go down.
3) Standard is cheap... most of the time. You normally can have tier 1 for around 200$.
4) A handful of the best decks in modern right now are cheap. Pro tip if you dont play a 4color mana base or gofy your deck really wont be "too" expensive.
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Calling someone a Commie is flaming and must be stopped, but turning the word Conservative into a loaded pejorative and using it over and over again is perfectly acceptable.
Hmm. unless you are playing RDWs or Kodatha red you are paying over $200 in standard.
Have you priced the decks from the top 8 in Philly? How about top 16? There is a difference between 'playing' and 'competitive'. Anyone can go cheap,but are you going to win with it? I doubt it.
Standard is always going to draw the most people. Edh is a casual format so meh, and Legacy is dieing a slow death because of the restricted list. Modern is what? a month old!! Give it time. Once they sort out the ban list (which is going to take time) the format will start drawing many more players. Dont expect cheap to win in Modern, you are going to have to pay to play.
The same reason Doubling season is in double digits in paper. CASUAL PLAYERS!
The last standard season I played extensively was Alara/Zendikar. Mythic Conscription peaked at nearly $1000, and several other Tier 1 decks were in the $600-$800 range. Sure, you could play RDW for $200, but there were so many white hate cards in the format that playing it was basically suicide. So no, I don't consider standard cheap.
But I digress. The point is, unless WOTC starts reprinting things pretty much immediately, all the people who thought modern was their savior because they didn't want to fork over to get into Legacy are going to get priced out very quickly. I personally don't really care if my Tarmogoyfs and Dark Confidants drop, I bought the things to play with them, not so they could increase exponentially in value. So by all means, commence the reprints - I'd rather be able to buy shocklands for a reasonably price then wonder whether I should be buying actual dual lands instead.
UBRGW T.E.S.
UUUSpiral Tide
Modern:
UBR Grixis Control
EDH:
UB Oona, Queen of the Fae
Combo is a part of magic. If you cant deal with combo then your not a magic player.
The retailer makes money, the store gets packed out, and the players get shocks. If 500 stores a week did that for a month you would put 2000 sets of shocklands into play.
The issue with this is, no retailer would actually sell this for the MSRP. They would sell it for the value of what was in it.
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Modern:
UBR Grixis Control
EDH:
UB Oona, Queen of the Fae
Combo is a part of magic. If you cant deal with combo then your not a magic player.
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Keep in mind that fetch lands are staples in Legacy and Vintage, while shocks are awful in formats that have revised dual lands.
UBRGW T.E.S.
UUUSpiral Tide
Modern:
UBR Grixis Control
EDH:
UB Oona, Queen of the Fae
Combo is a part of magic. If you cant deal with combo then your not a magic player.