I don't think we really need four colors. Vivid Lands are really slow, because they all come into play tapped. I think something like this will have a better shot.
edit: Yeah, I'm really pleased with this deck. It's really good.
Your manabase looks shaky at best - you're only running 3 colors, so why not put some basics in there? You have access to good fetches and a couple of shocklands, and reflecting pool already, so I wouldn't think you'd need all nonbasics - especially crumbling necropolis. If you need to cast something on the turn you draw a fetch, you can grab a basic and not worry about bolting yourself every time you do it. That's a lot of damage when facing aggro decks.
quick list I'd think about running, maybe some other cards to consider in here for you. Grixis has potential to be really good since there will be limited combo in the format.
This is just a brainstorming list. I don't know how strong permission is going to be in the modern format yet, but don't forget about packages that include cryptic command, mana leak, hinder, etc...or more disruption with cards like smallpox.
Will be interesting to see where the list goes from here.
I think you need more dudes. 4 guys that enter the red zone doesn't seem like enough. Wurmcoil is good, but PtE says you have to rely on a land (susceptible to tectonic edge) and a couple of burn spells to get there.
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2 is fine as long as you always cast your cruel ultimatums first.
excellent point, and noted!
I have a couple dudes in my list above. Lots of great options not listed too. The important thing to keep in mind is have dudes that don't just attack, but have a ETB or LTB or an activating ability that can create card advantage somehow. Major threats are the only ones worth playing in control!
Any suggestions for the sideboard? I think I've covered things pretty good save for Extirpate. I was trying to think of something I could use against Combo, but that didn't work very well. Maybe Sadistic Sacrament? I think Slip suggested that back in the other thread.
Do you guy's think Chandra the firebrand would any good in here? It seems like it might be good as a two of since copying a cruel ultimatum or even terminate would be devestating.
Right on, I guess I'm not familiar with that list.
excellent point, and noted!
I have a couple dudes in my list above. Lots of great options not listed too. The important thing to keep in mind is have dudes that don't just attack, but have a ETB or LTB or an activating ability that can create card advantage somehow. Major threats are the only ones worth playing in control!
could go on with a huge list for good control creatures from 8 years worth of cards
Not really necessary. You run plenty of card draw and only drop your threats after your opponent has discarded all removal. something like wurmcoil engine or baneslayer angel is fine.
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Do you guy's think Chandra the firebrand would any good in here? It seems like it might be good as a two of since copying a cruel ultimatum or even terminate would be devestating.
Its definitely cute, but i don't think she makes the cut because of the inability to really defend herself. If I was going to run any walker liliana seems lke a good way to find cruel ultimatum.
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Not really necessary. You run plenty of card draw and only drop your threats after your opponent has discarded all removal. something like wurmcoil engine or baneslayer angel is fine.
I see your point. Two different schools of thought, both could be equally effective for control when the deck is built properly. My line of thinking is probably a little more archaic nowdays I like playing a couple more threats, like the old mono black control decks that would run about 10 creatures and the rest as draw, disruption, and sweepers.
I see your point. Two different schools of thought, both could be equally effective for control when the deck is built properly. My line of thinking is probably a little more archaic nowdays I like playing a couple more threats, like the old mono black control decks that would run about 10 creatures and the rest as draw, disruption, and sweepers.
honestly its just the style of decks. Decks like this one are based off of the first real control deck Called "THE DECK" which was first pioneered by weisman. His deck only run 2 serra angel as win cons....how times have changed lol.
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I'm not going to lie to you guys here. I love cruel control, but you guys are making it look like absolute trash.
3 Cruel Ultimatum Really guys? Not to mention you guys are putting it next to tec edge like there is synergy there. Come on people atleast think some things through.
Anyway. And blightning? Are you guys even trying to build it to beat the meta?
Anyway. My current cruel control list is also shaking in the mana base department, but that is why we are here to put our heads together
Notes to be taken.
Decision between wurmcoil and grave titan depends on how fast everyone actually is. I'm also thinking about wall of reverence.
May go down to 2 teachings.
The sideboard isn't finished because I don't know exactly what the meta will be. I may want to move a board sweeper to the maindeck, but it is so tight on space right now.
Also what are good sideboard cards/hard counters in this format that I don't know of?
4 Marsh Flats
3 Watery Grave
2 Blood Crypt
2 Steam Vents
4 Dragonskull Summit
4 Drowned Catacomb
3 Crumbling Necropolis
3 Tectonic Edge
Creatures:
2 Wurmcoil Engine
4 Preordain
4 Thoughtseize
3 Cruel Ultimatum
3 Slagstorm
3 Blightning
Instants:
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Terminate
4 Repeal
Enchantments:
4 Spreading Seas
15 ???
I don't think we really need four colors. Vivid Lands are really slow, because they all come into play tapped. I think something like this will have a better shot.
edit: Yeah, I'm really pleased with this deck. It's really good.
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quick list I'd think about running, maybe some other cards to consider in here for you. Grixis has potential to be really good since there will be limited combo in the format.
4 demigod of revenge
4 Mulldrifter
2 Wurmcoil Engine
2 Vendilion Clique
other spells:
3 cruel ultimatum
4 preordain
2 pyroclasm or volcanic fallout
3 Damnation
3 Night's Whisper
4 Inquisition of Kozliek
2 Blightning
2 terminate
4 scalding tarn
3 Marsh Flats
3 Reflecting Pool
3 Watery Grave
2 Steam Vents
2 Blood Crypt
1 crumbling necropolis
1 Dragonskull Summit
1 Drowned Catacomb
2 Island
2 Swamp
1 Mountain
2 Pithing Needle
2 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Blightning
2 pyroclasm or volcanic fallout
3 thoughseize
3 metagame slot?
This is just a brainstorming list. I don't know how strong permission is going to be in the modern format yet, but don't forget about packages that include cryptic command, mana leak, hinder, etc...or more disruption with cards like smallpox.
Will be interesting to see where the list goes from here.
4 Marsh Flats
3 Watery Grave
2 Blood Crypt
2 Steam Vents
4 Dragonskull Summit
4 Drowned Catacomb
4 Tectonic Edge
2 Creeping Tar Pit
Creatures:
2 Wurmcoil Engine
4 Preordain
4 Thoughtseize
3 Cruel Ultimatum
3 Slagstorm
3 Blightning
Instants:
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Terminate
4 Repeal
Enchantments:
4 Spreading Seas
4 Molten Rain
4 Extirpate
3 Damnation
2 Bribery
1 Slagstorm
1 Blightning
Updated list. Can get rid of Tec Edge for basics, I guess, but I don't really care. Maybe Pit for a Swamp and a Mountain and Pit for an Island.
The sideboard is horrible and stupid and needs to be redone.
I dunno what dudes to add, though. I don't know what creatures I'd use in these colors.
2 is fine as long as you always cast your cruel ultimatums first.
Here is an old chapin list from mrd up 1.x.
3 Mulldrifter
Sorcery [6]
3 Cruel Ultimatum
3 Damnation
Instant [14]
2 Countersquall
3 Cryptic Command
1 Flashfreeze
2 Repeal
3 Smother
3 Thirst for Knowledge
Artifact [7]
3 Chrome Mox(banned in modern)
4 Dimir Signet
Enchantment [2]
2 Night of Souls' Betrayal
1 Cascade Bluffs
1 Dreadship Reef
1 Graven Cairns
2 Island
1 Lavaclaw Reaches
2 River of Tears
4 Scalding Tarn
1 Steam Vents
4 Sunken Ruins
1 Swamp
2 Watery Grave
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor(banned in modern)
1 Countersquall
2 Cranial Extraction
1 Cryptic Command
1 Damnation
2 Deathmark
3 Flashfreeze
1 Night of Souls' Betrayal
1 Sadistic Sacrament
3 Thoughtseize
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excellent point, and noted!
I have a couple dudes in my list above. Lots of great options not listed too. The important thing to keep in mind is have dudes that don't just attack, but have a ETB or LTB or an activating ability that can create card advantage somehow. Major threats are the only ones worth playing in control!
Couple more suggestions:
Kokusho, the evening star
Keiga, the Tide star
Meloku, the Clouded Mirror
Shriekmaw
Anathemancer
Grave Titan
Frost Titan
could go on with a huge list for good control creatures from 8 years worth of cards
New landbase:
1 Swamp
1 Island
1 Mountain
4 Marsh Flats
3 Watery Grave
2 Blood Crypt
2 Steam Vents
4 Dragonskull Summit
4 Drowned Catacomb
3 Tectonic Edge
Any suggestions for the sideboard? I think I've covered things pretty good save for Extirpate. I was trying to think of something I could use against Combo, but that didn't work very well. Maybe Sadistic Sacrament? I think Slip suggested that back in the other thread.
phyrexian arena also seems good here.
Not really necessary. You run plenty of card draw and only drop your threats after your opponent has discarded all removal. something like wurmcoil engine or baneslayer angel is fine.
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Its definitely cute, but i don't think she makes the cut because of the inability to really defend herself. If I was going to run any walker liliana seems lke a good way to find cruel ultimatum.
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I see your point. Two different schools of thought, both could be equally effective for control when the deck is built properly. My line of thinking is probably a little more archaic nowdays I like playing a couple more threats, like the old mono black control decks that would run about 10 creatures and the rest as draw, disruption, and sweepers.
1 Swamp
1 Island
1 Mountain
4 Marsh Flats
3 Watery Grave
2 Blood Crypt
2 Steam Vents
4 Dragonskull Summit
4 Drowned Catacomb
3 Tectonic Edge
2 Wurmcoil Engine
Sorceries:
4 Preordain
4 Thoughtseize
3 Cruel Ultimatum
3 Slagstorm
3 Blightning
Instants:
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Terminate
4 Repeal
Enchantments:
4 Spreading Seas
4 Molten Rain
3 Damnation
2 Memoricide
2 Evacuation
2 Bribery
1 Blightning
1 Slagstorm
Updated
honestly its just the style of decks. Decks like this one are based off of the first real control deck Called "THE DECK" which was first pioneered by weisman. His deck only run 2 serra angel as win cons....how times have changed lol.
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3 Cruel Ultimatum Really guys? Not to mention you guys are putting it next to tec edge like there is synergy there. Come on people atleast think some things through.
Anyway. And blightning? Are you guys even trying to build it to beat the meta?
Anyway. My current cruel control list is also shaking in the mana base department, but that is why we are here to put our heads together
Also where the hell are the punishing fires?
My current Deck list is
1 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
1 Grave Titan / Wurmcoil
4 Wall of Omens
Spells
3 Mystical teachings
4 Cryptic Command
3 Punishing Fire
4 Mana Leak
1 Go for the throat
1 Dismember
1 Path to exile
4 Esper Charm
1 Cruel Ultimatum
1 Consume the Meek
1 Extirpate
1 Logic Knot
4 Spell Snare
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Cascade Bluffs
4 Vivid Creek
4 Reflecting Pool
1 Hallowed Fountain
2 Islands
2 Tar Pits
3 Mystic Gate
2 Sunken Ruins
2 Scalding Tarn
1 Steam Vents
1 Consume the Meek
3 Krosan Grip
2 Damnation
3 Surgical Extraction
Notes to be taken.
Decision between wurmcoil and grave titan depends on how fast everyone actually is. I'm also thinking about wall of reverence.
May go down to 2 teachings.
The sideboard isn't finished because I don't know exactly what the meta will be. I may want to move a board sweeper to the maindeck, but it is so tight on space right now.
Also what are good sideboard cards/hard counters in this format that I don't know of?
4 City of Brass
4 Reflecting Pool
4 Vivid Creek
3 Vivid Marsh
2 Vivid Meadow
2 Sunken Ruins
3 Mystic Gate
2 Cascade Bluffs
2 Island
1 Mountain
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Slagstorm
2 Path to Exile
2 Repeal
Card Advantage/Filter (7):
4 Preordain
3 Jace Beleren
Utility (9):
4 Cryptic Command
4 Esper Charm
1 Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir
2 Ajani Vengeant
2 Cruel Ultimatum
2 Wurmcoil Engine
Still working on a sideboard, but I like the mainboard feels really flexible and able to answer a lot of things. Thoughts?
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