With the recent bannings, Affinity, Zoo and RDW are primed en masse. Bob hurts too much and might even cost you a coveted game 1 win.
Just run Kitchen Finks + Oran-Rief and you should be absolutely fine. You pack enough removal and disruption to keep the board clean while you bash. Aggro matchups aren't too bad, for the most part. If you are afraid of Affinity, play Kataki, War's Wage. RDW loses to Kor Firewalker and Burrenton Forge-Tender. Zoo folds to Engineered Explosives. Hate cards are powerful; use them.
Just run Kitchen Finks + Oran-Rief and you should be absolutely fine. You pack enough removal and disruption to keep the board clean while you bash. Aggro matchups aren't too bad, for the most part. If you are afraid of Affinity, play Kataki, War's Wage. RDW loses to Kor Firewalker and Burrenton Forge-Tender. Zoo folds to Engineered Explosives. Hate cards are powerful; use them.
Yeah, that's what I plan. If I get Kataki, War's Wage, I'm definitely putting them in. Kitchen Finks are in the MB already. They're too good.
Posting my updated list. I've dropped Vexing Shusher and Liliana from the board for a pair of Sudden Death for the Twin matchup, and the Slaughter Pacts have become Smothers. I am quite pleased with this list, and I think I've got it pretty close to where I want it.
There was this token deck i came up across when jsut playing some casual games, and i must say, it set me back a little, with simple combos like myr sire and kuldotha rebirth coupled with other token generatros like doomed traveler, and buffing them with curse of stalked prey, and intangible virtue, i find myself being over run real quick. One thing i did was side in 4 loxodon hierarchs, but i still find myself set on the back foot. Should I be packing in a bit more discard? Running only 4 Duress atm as i favor a bit more removal against Bpod and affinity. I know tokens is not an actual meta, but Seeing as my LGS seem to be playing token decks as a trend atm, what do you guys suggest? Maelstrom Pulse seems like a good card, but most token decks are a mixture of goblin, myr and spirit, so that may be a shaky proposition. Would holding a bit back with MB'd wraths/day be in order?
I've been less and less impressed with Bog and Steppe in my list. What are others running in their Knight packages? I think I want it in the board for sure, but I'm thinking Arena or Tectonic Edge might be better.
I've been less and less impressed with Bog and Steppe in my list. What are others running in their Knight packages? I think I want it in the board for sure, but I'm thinking Arena or Tectonic Edge might be better.
I pulled Steppe completely and moved Bog to the sideboard, adding Gavony Township to the main.
I decided to cut Noble Hierarch. After playing a few games where I didn't see her in my opener and instead drew her late, I realized what an awful topdeck she is.
Without Noble Hierarch, I decided that I wanted 24 lands. I added Arena to Knight package, also adding 2 Thoughtseize and a singleton Elspeth to fill up slots.
New Knight package. Bog has been moved to the board and Steppe cut completely. I decided to go for a manland (Mutavault) and a mana fixer (Urborg) to fill those slots. I am still iffy on Urborg, I'll let you know how that one goes in testing.
Elsepth from side to main. This was to make room for Bog in the side and to help supplement my smaller number of creatures.
Prey Upon. I'm testing this out, it seems like a great way to get some nice value out of your Bobs and act as pseudo-removal in the process. We'll see how it plays.
Everyone knows that good luck and good game are such insincere terms that any man who does not connect his right hook with the offender's jaw on the very utterance of such a phrase is no man I would consider as such.
I decided to cut Noble Hierarch. After playing a few games where I didn't see her in my opener and instead drew her late, I realized what an awful topdeck she is.
Without Noble Hierarch, I decided that I wanted 24 lands. I added Arena to Knight package, also adding 2 Thoughtseize and a singleton Elspeth to fill up slots.
New Knight package. Bog has been moved to the board and Steppe cut completely. I decided to go for a manland (Mutavault) and a mana fixer (Urborg) to fill those slots. I am still iffy on Urborg, I'll let you know how that one goes in testing.
Elsepth from side to main. This was to make room for Bog in the side and to help supplement my smaller number of creatures.
Prey Upon. I'm testing this out, it seems like a great way to get some nice value out of your Bobs and act as pseudo-removal in the process. We'll see how it plays.
I think you're getting pretty close to an "ideal" version, in so much as many of your changes were things I recommended
Your changes mention Thoughtseize but I don't see any. At any rate, 6 one-drop discard spells seems like one too many when you're also running the Scullers.
Curious to see how Prey Upon works out for you; let us know!
I think I might run Treetop Village over Mutavault for a manland; bigger body and tapping for green are nice.
Still not sold on the two Swords; if you really want them to make a difference it seems like 3 would be the ideal number. I think I'd rather see extra Elspeth and maybe the fourth Sculler.
I think you're getting pretty close to an "ideal" version, in so much as many of your changes were things I recommended
Your changes mention Thoughtseize but I don't see any. At any rate, 6 one-drop discard spells seems like one too many when you're also running the Scullers.
Curious to see how Prey Upon works out for you; let us know!
I think I might run Treetop Village over Mutavault for a manland; bigger body and tapping for green are nice.
Still not sold on the two Swords; if you really want them to make a difference it seems like 3 would be the ideal number. I think I'd rather see extra Elspeth and maybe the fourth Sculler.
I meant Prey Upon. My original changes included a pair of Thoughtseize but I decided that 3 life (fetch + Shock + Seize) was too much on turn 1. I'd like to not auto-lose to Zoo.
I considered Treetop Village but found that my deck was incredibly overly populated with Green sources. Mutavault is also cheaper to activate, which can make a difference if you're running short on lands, and colorless to activate, which helps you potentially cast the spells you want and attack each turn.
The Swords have been nothing but awesome for me. They are not a go-to gameplan, just more of a great top deck, as most of the cards in this deck are. As an aside, the fourth Sculler is in the board so that I can wish for it.
I meant Prey Upon. My original changes included a pair of Thoughtseize but I decided that 3 life (fetch + Shock + Seize) was too much on turn 1. I'd like to not auto-lose to Zoo.
Agreed agreed agreed. IoK every time in this kind of deck.
I considered Treetop Village but found that my deck was incredibly overly populated with Green sources. Mutavault is also cheaper to activate, which can make a difference if you're running short on lands, and colorless to activate, which helps you potentially cast the spells you want and attack each turn.
The Swords have been nothing but awesome for me. They are not a go-to gameplan, just more of a great top deck, as most of the cards in this deck are.
I can at least understand the good topdeck logic. I think I'm more of a consistency builder, so I'd rather have duplicate good topdecks (e.g. Elspeth, Profane Command, etc.).
As an aside, the fourth Sculler is in the board so that I can wish for it.
I figured as much, though I'm not sure it's really a "worthy" Wish target. In other words, is it worth two cards and losing the chance to grab KotR or KF just to pluck one card?
I can at least understand the good topdeck logic. I think I'm more of a consistency builder, so I'd rather have duplicate good topdecks (e.g. Elspeth, Profane Command, etc.).
I'm one for killer topdecks. Also, drawing two Elspeth sucks. A lot. And she's already a bit painful on Confidant flips, so I'd like to minimize that aspect as well.
I figured as much, though I'm not sure it's really a "worthy" Wish target. In other words, is it worth two cards and losing the chance to grab KotR or KF just to pluck one card?
Often times not, I suppose. I might put him back in the mainboard, though I'm not sure what I would cut at this point.
I was playing my own Wish Rock build last night (casual, linked below), and I was wondering if you've tried Eternal Witness? It might be underwhelming and/or too slow, but I'm never unhappy to draw it. Just a thought.
I was playing my own Wish Rock build last night (casual, linked below), and I was wondering if you've tried Eternal Witness? It might be underwhelming and/or too slow, but I'm never unhappy to draw it. Just a thought.
When GSZ was in, I adored Eternal Witness. I'm still playing it as a 1-of, but it's marginally effective.
THIS 100X!!! If you don't agree with this then there is no amount of logic that will ever convince you that good, non-oppressive, combos should be allowed. If you don't agree with it then just don't play this game, and you certainly shouldn't feel entitled to make any comment on ban lists ever.
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With the recent bannings, Affinity, Zoo and RDW are primed en masse. Bob hurts too much and might even cost you a coveted game 1 win.
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Just run Kitchen Finks + Oran-Rief and you should be absolutely fine. You pack enough removal and disruption to keep the board clean while you bash. Aggro matchups aren't too bad, for the most part. If you are afraid of Affinity, play Kataki, War's Wage. RDW loses to Kor Firewalker and Burrenton Forge-Tender. Zoo folds to Engineered Explosives. Hate cards are powerful; use them.
Legacy: UB(R/G) Storm UB(R/G)
Vintage: UBG Gush Storm UBG
Yeah, that's what I plan. If I get Kataki, War's Wage, I'm definitely putting them in. Kitchen Finks are in the MB already. They're too good.
God I love Modern.
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4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Marsh Flats
2 Godless Shrine
2 Murmuring Bosk
2 Forest
2 Swamp
1 Plains
1 Temple Garden
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Oran-Rief, the Vastwood
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Sejiri Steppe
1 Bojuka Bog
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Dark Confidant
3 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Kitchen Finks
Other Spells (16):
4 Glittering Wish
4 Path to Exile
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Smother
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
3 Kataki, War's Wage
2 Sudden Death
1 Augury Adept
1 Crime // Punishment
1 Dauntless Escort
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Tidehollow Sculler
Legacy: UB(R/G) Storm UB(R/G)
Vintage: UBG Gush Storm UBG
Legacy: UB(R/G) Storm UB(R/G)
Vintage: UBG Gush Storm UBG
Or Crime // Punishment if he's running a Wish build. Or Engineered Explosives.
Legacy: UB(R/G) Storm UB(R/G)
Vintage: UBG Gush Storm UBG
I pulled Steppe completely and moved Bog to the sideboard, adding Gavony Township to the main.
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Marsh Flats
2 Murmuring Bosk
2 Godless Shrine
2 Swamp
2 Forest
1 Plains
1 Temple Garden
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Arena
1 Mutavault
1 Oran-Rief, the Vastwood
4 Dark Confidant
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Kitchen Finks
3 Knight of the Reliquary
Other Spells (19):
4 Glittering Wish
4 Path to Exile
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Prey Upon
2 Smother
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
3 Kataki, War's Wage
2 Sudden Death
1 Augury Adept
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Crime / Punishment
1 Dauntless Escort
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Tidehollow Sculler
A couple things of note:
Legacy: UB(R/G) Storm UB(R/G)
Vintage: UBG Gush Storm UBG
- To my youngest sister when she was 6.
I think you're getting pretty close to an "ideal" version, in so much as many of your changes were things I recommended
Your changes mention Thoughtseize but I don't see any. At any rate, 6 one-drop discard spells seems like one too many when you're also running the Scullers.
Curious to see how Prey Upon works out for you; let us know!
I think I might run Treetop Village over Mutavault for a manland; bigger body and tapping for green are nice.
Still not sold on the two Swords; if you really want them to make a difference it seems like 3 would be the ideal number. I think I'd rather see extra Elspeth and maybe the fourth Sculler.
I meant Prey Upon. My original changes included a pair of Thoughtseize but I decided that 3 life (fetch + Shock + Seize) was too much on turn 1. I'd like to not auto-lose to Zoo.
I considered Treetop Village but found that my deck was incredibly overly populated with Green sources. Mutavault is also cheaper to activate, which can make a difference if you're running short on lands, and colorless to activate, which helps you potentially cast the spells you want and attack each turn.
The Swords have been nothing but awesome for me. They are not a go-to gameplan, just more of a great top deck, as most of the cards in this deck are. As an aside, the fourth Sculler is in the board so that I can wish for it.
Legacy: UB(R/G) Storm UB(R/G)
Vintage: UBG Gush Storm UBG
Agreed agreed agreed. IoK every time in this kind of deck.
Fair enough on the over-population of green.
I can at least understand the good topdeck logic. I think I'm more of a consistency builder, so I'd rather have duplicate good topdecks (e.g. Elspeth, Profane Command, etc.).
I figured as much, though I'm not sure it's really a "worthy" Wish target. In other words, is it worth two cards and losing the chance to grab KotR or KF just to pluck one card?
I'm one for killer topdecks. Also, drawing two Elspeth sucks. A lot. And she's already a bit painful on Confidant flips, so I'd like to minimize that aspect as well.
Often times not, I suppose. I might put him back in the mainboard, though I'm not sure what I would cut at this point.
Legacy: UB(R/G) Storm UB(R/G)
Vintage: UBG Gush Storm UBG
When GSZ was in, I adored Eternal Witness. I'm still playing it as a 1-of, but it's marginally effective.
Sucks that Bob makes it a liability.
Good thing Glittering Wish exists, and is fairly pain free on a Bob flip.