Well i like spin downs and tokens....so its a nice bonus for me....though I hate oversized cards with a passion, nothing more annoying than the guy who sits down at an EDH games and demands to use the oversized commander without reguard to the ammount of space they waste/rant
It being free isn't the point. The point was the absolute huge tremendous gargantuan cosmic deal that Wizards made out of the Helvault. You would have to imagine with a documents that says "You must destroy any contents not handed out" that something badass had to exist within the thing. Make a whole video about Helvault pre-release for your brick and mortar stores (Should have warned them that "yes your customers will be irate when you are done"). If it was yes this is just a promo here is the cool stuff you get blah blah blah this would have been welcomed as a small step forward by Wizards and community relations (They still can't live down cutting the MPR and all the cuts with skyrocketing profits.). However... they screwed the pooch so to say.
WOTC does overhype prereleases with gimmicks and sometimes they do fall short of the very high expectations they set, but that isn't something to take out on the actual store. A good store can and should still be able to take advantage of running a prerelease and have their player base be happy no matter what lies in the Helvault.
Zendikar 'Hidden Treasures' was a failure in that many unbelievable things were promised that almost no one received. The expectations set on that one weren't even close to met.
Mirrodin Beseiged 'Faction Packs' were arguably even worse, as everyone went phyrexian at the prerelease and then wouldn't touch non-mirran packs after. I still have swaths of discounted phyrexian packs sitting on my shelves laughing at me
No matter what ends up being in the Helvault, I like to keep my base happy. I always charge $20 for my events, but I understand that $25 is the norm. Anyone charging more than that should not have many players attending. I've been advertising additional prizes of Ion deckboxes and full art playmats for my events, but not every store can do that so hopefully WOTC will come through with the Helvault contents.
Brick and mortar stores are the lifeblood of this game. If they go, the game goes. Support your local store, because the good ones will still make sure you are happy no matter what is in the Helvaults.
Guys, stop complaining about MPR. It's not Wizards fault that it's gone, it's YOURS. You see, the community can't be trusted. MPR worked fine when one of the requirements for being a TO was being affiliated with a brick and mortar store. Once they took that away and made it so Johnny Schemer could arbitrarily make himself a TO and sanction as many events as he wanted (AND was now allowed to play in his own events), MPR became impractical as people were abusing the system. It's the same reason the guru program didn't last long: you can't be trusted...jerks.
I love that you're trying to defend them ripping out the MPR under the excuse of organizers collecting on MPR and selling them. Who cares? They cost wizards like 2 cents to print - and if they were selling them - it was a way for collectors who weren't playing to get them. Who were they hurting?
Its not that Wizards isn't giving back - its that the idiots working there think people playing this card want gimmicky swag instead of playable cards. So they waste the buget they have coming up with dumb ideas of uncool stuff - and then act suprised when the player base lets out a collective "Meh" and goes home disappointed.
I'd have rather seen nothing but foil tokens in the Helvault than this garbage. (Admittedly the token is at least something I'd want - but with all the hype?!?!?)
The promos seem fine the problem is they over hyped all the secrecy and such, and didn't really think it all they way through.
We have had a godbook recently spoiled, unintentional spoilers are spilling out of the woodworks from all corners of the globe for restored... and they really dont think someone somewhere employee/shady owner of small store/whomever isn't going to crack one of the things early?
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I always find it laughable how many people complain about free things that WotC gives us. How many prereleases have you been to with extra free prizes? The event doesn't cost you anymore to play in (or at least you shouldn't be supporting stores that are charging you extra) than it would normally cost & there are extra things. Maybe you don't want them, but someone else probably does. Complain enough, maybe we'll stop getting anything extra from Wizards.
On a note actually related to the topic, I hope that there are different cards and tokens in those packs. I'm not really an angel person, but I'm excited to get a guaranteed black dice because I hate having to trade away the colors I don't want when I decide to open random fat packs.
It's free, but it's not really free. This comes at the expense of other things they could have done, like not cancelling the Magic Player Rewards. Just because it's free doesn't mean it's not allowed to be criticized. Again, it would've been relatively easy to make the Helvault have cool stuff inside of, considering how much they hyped the hell out of it but apparently people like you are just okay with whatever scraps Wizards offers you. Can't wait until eventually the prerelease promo gets bumped down to an uncommon card and you're defending Wizards' decision because it devalued the rare in the set and we should be thankful that Wizards gave us anything. Here's a hint: Magic lives solely due to the fans. Magic is not a requirement or a staple of households. It's not a company that can get away with dumping on their consumers like AT&T, Bank of America, Wal-mart, etc. Those companies will exist regardless of their business practices. If Wizards doesn't make players happy, they'll spend their time and more importantly their money on something else.
As far as I know, nothing was promised concerning the Priceless Treasures (because that's what they were called). I don't recall these cards featuring in ads, posters, etc. Most people only found out during the prerelease.
With the 'Vault it's different of course. Maybe the uproar will be such, they will once again start giving away decent promos.
Yeah, I think the treasures MAY have been announced the week leading up to the Zendikar prerelease or not at all, I just remember everyone that weekend being super pumped about the set because of that and the new fetchlands. That was an excellent prerelease promo. Helvault? Not so much.
Nothing in this game is degenerate or completely dominant. They haven't banned anything in standard in a long, long time. Hell they should have banned affinity right away, but they didn't until boxed sales collapsed too. Hasbro had to come in and fire people.
I'll enjoy watching all the whiners eat crow monday.
Dropped a line to Helene, she replied back already (wow!) that fees are at the discretion of the TO, so stores are perfectly within their rights to charge extra for helvault events.
Also let her know about the eBay jackass, which she replied that she's kicking off an investigation.
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well at least i won't feel bad if i miss this prerelease now.
more spin downs, thats just what i need what with this gigantic freezer bag full of them already... switched to pen and paper a long time ago too so the things are pretty much useless.
some over sized cards... which aren't useable anywhere except in a picture frame, or if i happen to be playing that particular commander... hooray...
and some tokens? because something that comes free in booster packs is a great promo?
for something that could've been so cool, and unique, and special, and had the hype to get there... they dropped the ball pretty hard.
the sad thing is that it will actually get more people (casual players especially) to show up. which means like the last prerelease i get sent home because the store is at capacity at 10pm friday night and i showed up at 10:05. it'll be great to not be able to play because of a ****ty gimmick.
I love that you're trying to defend them ripping out the MPR under the excuse of organizers collecting on MPR and selling them. Who cares? They cost wizards like 2 cents to print - and if they were selling them - it was a way for collectors who weren't playing to get them. Who were they hurting?
You're missing the point. The issue is any random person could make themselves an organizer, create a bunch of fake events, and get themselves and their friends STACKS of MPR cards. This is a problem for a few reasons:
1. It defeats the actual purpose of player rewards. It was designed to encourage people to go play at stores. People weren't just not playing at stores, but not playing at all.
2. It costs money. Even if it seems like a small amount, when you get to the point where 10-20% (or likely even higher) of the cards being sent out aren't actually earned, then this money becomes wasted. They're commissioning art (Which, I assure you, costs a lot more than 2 cents), printing these cards, paying sorting and shipping costs, and the cards are not even doing what they're supposed to anymore.
3. Fake tournament results are bad. Realistically, it matters a lot less under the PWP system, but under Elo this was a huge deal. There were players who had organizer friends fake events so they could qualify for things on rating. That wasn't the intent of everyone doing this stuff, but having a system in place that rewards organizers to submit fraudulent tournament reports with financial gain for them and their friends is obviously flawed.
4. The Helvault and stupid stickers and temporary tattoos aren't the only thing we've been given. Players are still rewarded for going to FNM on occasion with things like poison spin-down dice, double sided tokens, and foil alternate artwork Restoration Angels (You know, one of the best cards in AVR?). It took some time, but despite the epic fail of the Helvault, they're starting to get pretty good at finding ways to reward players.
Still love that I'm defending Wizards for "ripping out the MPR under the excuse of organizers collecting on MPR and selling them"? I loved player rewards too and will always miss it, but you should really look at things in a logical and pragmatic way instead of just "Who cares? I want!!!!!"
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You're missing the point. The issue is any random person could make themselves an organizer, create a bunch of fake events, and get themselves and their friends STACKS of MPR cards. This is a problem for a few reasons:
1. It defeats the actual purpose of player rewards. It was designed to encourage people to go play at stores. People weren't just not playing at stores, but not playing at all.
2. It costs money. Even if it seems like a small amount, when you get to the point where 10-20% (or likely even higher) of the cards being sent out aren't actually earned, then this money becomes wasted. They're commissioning art (Which, I assure you, costs a lot more than 2 cents), printing these cards, paying sorting and shipping costs, and the cards are not even doing what they're supposed to anymore.
3. Fake tournament results are bad. Realistically, it matters a lot less under the PWP system, but under Elo this was a huge deal. There were players who had organizer friends fake events so they could qualify for things on rating. That wasn't the intent of everyone doing this stuff, but having a system in place that rewards organizers to submit fraudulent tournament reports with financial gain for them and their friends is obviously flawed.
4. The Helvault and stupid stickers and temporary tattoos aren't the only thing we've been given. Players are still rewarded for going to FNM on occasion with things like poison spin-down dice, double sided tokens, and foil alternate artwork Restoration Angels (You know, one of the best cards in AVR?). It took some time, but despite the epic fail of the Helvault, they're starting to get pretty good at finding ways to reward players.
Still love that I'm defending Wizards for "ripping out the MPR under the excuse of organizers collecting on MPR and selling them"? I loved player rewards too and will always miss it, but you should really look at things in a logical and pragmatic way instead of just "Who cares? I want!!!!!"
Do you actually have proof of anyone doing that? Aside from that its completely in Wizards' power to change policy on what is allowed as a sanctioned event.
Nothing in this game is degenerate or completely dominant. They haven't banned anything in standard in a long, long time. Hell they should have banned affinity right away, but they didn't until boxed sales collapsed too. Hasbro had to come in and fire people.
I'll enjoy watching all the whiners eat crow monday.
Do you actually have proof of anyone doing that? Aside from that its completely in Wizards' power to change policy on what is allowed as a sanctioned event.
Yes, I have hard proof of people doing that. Even if I didn't, even the most basic understanding of how people function should make it obvious that they would do that. And even if THAT didn't, the fact that the EXACT SAME THING happened with the guru program which is why it was shut down so quickly, it should stand to reason that the same people who did that would do it again with MPR explaining why it was shut down so quickly after those same people were given the ability to do it again.
I understand I didn't submit proof that it happened in the previous post, but did you seriously read it and think "No way...I can't think of a single person I have ever met in my entire life, let alone in the Magic community, who would do such a thing!"?
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Personally, as a spoiler junkie, I'm glad WotC included the 5 Legendary Oversized Flying Fatties ™ in this box to emphasize that they are a cycle and intended for EDH. I call this the Ken Nagle effect
That being said, people are going to be disappointed if they don't get the one or two they want, and I expect some will hold better value than others.
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Yes, I have hard proof of people doing that. Even if I didn't, even the most basic understanding of how people function should make it obvious that they would do that. And even if THAT didn't, the fact that the EXACT SAME THING happened with the guru program which is why it was shut down so quickly, it should stand to reason that the same people who did that would do it again with MPR explaining why it was shut down so quickly after those same people were given the ability to do it again.
I understand I didn't submit proof that it happened in the previous post, but did you seriously read it and think "No way...I can't think of a single person I have ever met in my entire life, let alone in the Magic community, who would do such a thing!"?
I'm not doubting the possibility of a small group of individuals being greedy and exploiting the system. I'm just asking if 1) you have proof and 2) if there is proof that is widespread, considering that the MPRs needed to be mailed out, I think Wizards would've caught on to the fact that they were sending out an unusually high number of promos every time.
And again, Wizards could've instead altered the way they allowed tournaments to qualify as a sanctioned event instead of scrapping the program altogether, but they didn't.
Nothing in this game is degenerate or completely dominant. They haven't banned anything in standard in a long, long time. Hell they should have banned affinity right away, but they didn't until boxed sales collapsed too. Hasbro had to come in and fire people.
I'll enjoy watching all the whiners eat crow monday.
Do you actually have proof of anyone doing that? Aside from that its completely in Wizards' power to change policy on what is allowed as a sanctioned event.
This was 100% for sure happening and was so common it was basically all but out in the open within player circles, its not something that you would advertise but it wasn't something you would hide either. There were also really flimsy pretenses of events being set up and the program A) cost money B) wasn't that successful at its intended purpose C) could easily be exploited
It was an unfortunate but sound choice to cut the program imo
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I'm not doubting the possibility of a small group of individuals being greedy and exploiting the system. I'm just asking if 1) you have proof and 2) if there is proof that is widespread, considering that the MPRs needed to be mailed out, I think Wizards would've caught on to the fact that they were sending out an unusually high number of promos every time.
...umm...they did. That's why it's gone.
...didn't we just cover that?
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How? It's not like oversized cards easily fit in a binder. They're a pain to carry and I feel safe in saying the large majority of the player base will want nothing to do with them, making them absurdly difficult to trade. They're simply not worth it unless you know for a fact that someone is looking for them.
How? It's not like oversized cards easily fit in a binder. They're a pain to carry and I feel safe in saying the large majority of the player base will want nothing to do with them, making them absurdly difficult to trade. They're simply not worth it unless you know for a fact that someone is looking for them.
^This. They're a pain to store.
That said, I do mildly enjoy them, and wouldn't mind getting more/collecting them. Total pain in the ass to store though, since I'm afraid of damaging them in transit from store to home.
It's okay, I guess, but eh, the prizes could've been better.
Reprints the one card that people point to when saying that art objectifies women.
Well done Wizards.
Liliana does not objectify women in any way at all. We have gotten to a point in our society that every single picture of a women must be objectifying a women in some negative way......blah blah blah.. That is not the case. (((Sarcasm)))Picture of a girl drinking a milk shake, must be sex related and putting women down, picture of girl sitting on a beach, picture of a girl driving a car, picture of a girl on the moon at a new space station.)))
You have a picture of an attractive strong power women who girls dress up as for anime conventions. What more do you want? The picture is fine, happy to see a reprint. Sick of of seeing people claim that everything in existence must be putting women down. Then all I have to do is replace the word "women" with anything else to get the same mentality; fish, cats, arabs, blacks, jews, men, environment, whites, chinese, old people, etc. It doesn't matter what word I put in. Stop sucking life out of everything man. That artwork of her is awesome. Stop putting stuff down man. Just stop. If the picture was really as negative as you claim she would totally nude, in a kitchen, making sandwiches and giving blow jobs. Her abilities would be horrible as well. +1 do nothing -2 do nothing -6 do nothing. Instead liliana of the veil is an amazing planeswalker comparable to jace, the mind sculpter with great art to appreciate.
My suggestion listen to some comedy radio for a while, pandora is free, youtube is free there is something out there for you. ***** go make fun of somebody. The whole world is so serious and campaigning for some cause, or someones rights, everything is a hate crime, racist, sexist. blah blah blah.
"O no mcdonalds must be slandering a hate crime against skinny people every time they make a big mac." hahaha jeeze You're just someone perpetuating another groups negative perspective that they've made you believe is correct. Look at the picture for a hour and tell me what's wrong with it? I don't see anything.
I have heard vague rumors of a moustache-dispensing vending machine in a distant laundromat, across the street from a tattoo parlor. However, this information is shaky, and time is of the essence.
Without drugs there'd be no addicts thereby no drug dealers therefor if we had no Helvaults there'd be no problem right?
It's not at all the chicken vs the egg. It's demand-supply. If there was no demand, there would be no supply. Many magic players have a problem, they can't control themselves, and will buy anything WotC puts out. If they would smarten up then you wouldn't see ppl selling this on ebay, you wouldn't see ridiculous pre-release prices etc.
sorry mod if im not supposed to say, I couldnt find anywhere that said i couldnt.
Why did you feel that you had the right to spoil this? You know your store is going to suffer due to your actions.
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WOTC does overhype prereleases with gimmicks and sometimes they do fall short of the very high expectations they set, but that isn't something to take out on the actual store. A good store can and should still be able to take advantage of running a prerelease and have their player base be happy no matter what lies in the Helvault.
Zendikar 'Hidden Treasures' was a failure in that many unbelievable things were promised that almost no one received. The expectations set on that one weren't even close to met.
Mirrodin Beseiged 'Faction Packs' were arguably even worse, as everyone went phyrexian at the prerelease and then wouldn't touch non-mirran packs after. I still have swaths of discounted phyrexian packs sitting on my shelves laughing at me
No matter what ends up being in the Helvault, I like to keep my base happy. I always charge $20 for my events, but I understand that $25 is the norm. Anyone charging more than that should not have many players attending. I've been advertising additional prizes of Ion deckboxes and full art playmats for my events, but not every store can do that so hopefully WOTC will come through with the Helvault contents.
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I love that you're trying to defend them ripping out the MPR under the excuse of organizers collecting on MPR and selling them. Who cares? They cost wizards like 2 cents to print - and if they were selling them - it was a way for collectors who weren't playing to get them. Who were they hurting?
Its not that Wizards isn't giving back - its that the idiots working there think people playing this card want gimmicky swag instead of playable cards. So they waste the buget they have coming up with dumb ideas of uncool stuff - and then act suprised when the player base lets out a collective "Meh" and goes home disappointed.
I'd have rather seen nothing but foil tokens in the Helvault than this garbage. (Admittedly the token is at least something I'd want - but with all the hype?!?!?)
We have had a godbook recently spoiled, unintentional spoilers are spilling out of the woodworks from all corners of the globe for restored... and they really dont think someone somewhere employee/shady owner of small store/whomever isn't going to crack one of the things early?
Magic players have made it abundantly clear that their time is worth $0/hour in their opinion, so no sympathy there. -DR jeebus or something
Which I can't play with and will be worthless to the 99% of the Magic playerbase.
It's free, but it's not really free. This comes at the expense of other things they could have done, like not cancelling the Magic Player Rewards. Just because it's free doesn't mean it's not allowed to be criticized. Again, it would've been relatively easy to make the Helvault have cool stuff inside of, considering how much they hyped the hell out of it but apparently people like you are just okay with whatever scraps Wizards offers you. Can't wait until eventually the prerelease promo gets bumped down to an uncommon card and you're defending Wizards' decision because it devalued the rare in the set and we should be thankful that Wizards gave us anything. Here's a hint: Magic lives solely due to the fans. Magic is not a requirement or a staple of households. It's not a company that can get away with dumping on their consumers like AT&T, Bank of America, Wal-mart, etc. Those companies will exist regardless of their business practices. If Wizards doesn't make players happy, they'll spend their time and more importantly their money on something else.
Yeah, I think the treasures MAY have been announced the week leading up to the Zendikar prerelease or not at all, I just remember everyone that weekend being super pumped about the set because of that and the new fetchlands. That was an excellent prerelease promo. Helvault? Not so much.
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more spin downs, thats just what i need what with this gigantic freezer bag full of them already... switched to pen and paper a long time ago too so the things are pretty much useless.
some over sized cards... which aren't useable anywhere except in a picture frame, or if i happen to be playing that particular commander... hooray...
and some tokens? because something that comes free in booster packs is a great promo?
for something that could've been so cool, and unique, and special, and had the hype to get there... they dropped the ball pretty hard.
the sad thing is that it will actually get more people (casual players especially) to show up. which means like the last prerelease i get sent home because the store is at capacity at 10pm friday night and i showed up at 10:05. it'll be great to not be able to play because of a ****ty gimmick.
You're missing the point. The issue is any random person could make themselves an organizer, create a bunch of fake events, and get themselves and their friends STACKS of MPR cards. This is a problem for a few reasons:
1. It defeats the actual purpose of player rewards. It was designed to encourage people to go play at stores. People weren't just not playing at stores, but not playing at all.
2. It costs money. Even if it seems like a small amount, when you get to the point where 10-20% (or likely even higher) of the cards being sent out aren't actually earned, then this money becomes wasted. They're commissioning art (Which, I assure you, costs a lot more than 2 cents), printing these cards, paying sorting and shipping costs, and the cards are not even doing what they're supposed to anymore.
3. Fake tournament results are bad. Realistically, it matters a lot less under the PWP system, but under Elo this was a huge deal. There were players who had organizer friends fake events so they could qualify for things on rating. That wasn't the intent of everyone doing this stuff, but having a system in place that rewards organizers to submit fraudulent tournament reports with financial gain for them and their friends is obviously flawed.
4. The Helvault and stupid stickers and temporary tattoos aren't the only thing we've been given. Players are still rewarded for going to FNM on occasion with things like poison spin-down dice, double sided tokens, and foil alternate artwork Restoration Angels (You know, one of the best cards in AVR?). It took some time, but despite the epic fail of the Helvault, they're starting to get pretty good at finding ways to reward players.
Still love that I'm defending Wizards for "ripping out the MPR under the excuse of organizers collecting on MPR and selling them"? I loved player rewards too and will always miss it, but you should really look at things in a logical and pragmatic way instead of just "Who cares? I want!!!!!"
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Do you actually have proof of anyone doing that? Aside from that its completely in Wizards' power to change policy on what is allowed as a sanctioned event.
Who's eating crow?
Yes, I have hard proof of people doing that. Even if I didn't, even the most basic understanding of how people function should make it obvious that they would do that. And even if THAT didn't, the fact that the EXACT SAME THING happened with the guru program which is why it was shut down so quickly, it should stand to reason that the same people who did that would do it again with MPR explaining why it was shut down so quickly after those same people were given the ability to do it again.
I understand I didn't submit proof that it happened in the previous post, but did you seriously read it and think "No way...I can't think of a single person I have ever met in my entire life, let alone in the Magic community, who would do such a thing!"?
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That being said, people are going to be disappointed if they don't get the one or two they want, and I expect some will hold better value than others.
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I'm not doubting the possibility of a small group of individuals being greedy and exploiting the system. I'm just asking if 1) you have proof and 2) if there is proof that is widespread, considering that the MPRs needed to be mailed out, I think Wizards would've caught on to the fact that they were sending out an unusually high number of promos every time.
And again, Wizards could've instead altered the way they allowed tournaments to qualify as a sanctioned event instead of scrapping the program altogether, but they didn't.
Who's eating crow?
This was 100% for sure happening and was so common it was basically all but out in the open within player circles, its not something that you would advertise but it wasn't something you would hide either. There were also really flimsy pretenses of events being set up and the program A) cost money B) wasn't that successful at its intended purpose C) could easily be exploited
It was an unfortunate but sound choice to cut the program imo
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...umm...they did. That's why it's gone.
...didn't we just cover that?
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^This. They're a pain to store.
That said, I do mildly enjoy them, and wouldn't mind getting more/collecting them. Total pain in the ass to store though, since I'm afraid of damaging them in transit from store to home.
It's okay, I guess, but eh, the prizes could've been better.
I feel really really let down. First it was "hey its oversized cards and nothing promo" which kinda hurt, then they're not even foil..
Ouch Wizards..
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I submit that anyone that bids is the real jackass. Without the addicts there'd be no drug problems.
My sales thread: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/trading-post/details/1651-ktk-for-sale
Chicken-Egg analogy.
Without drugs there'd be no addicts thereby no drug dealers therefor if we had no Helvaults there'd be no problem right?
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It's not at all the chicken vs the egg. It's demand-supply. If there was no demand, there would be no supply. Many magic players have a problem, they can't control themselves, and will buy anything WotC puts out. If they would smarten up then you wouldn't see ppl selling this on ebay, you wouldn't see ridiculous pre-release prices etc.
My sales thread: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/trading-post/details/1651-ktk-for-sale
Why did you feel that you had the right to spoil this? You know your store is going to suffer due to your actions.
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He already said that it was broken when he got it due to poor shipping, he just peeked inside.
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