Yes its peoples fault for thinking Wotc would not screw them over. Well they sure learned their lesson, huh.
I'm reffering to mythic promos and player reward cards.
Until it gets bounced or shuffled into your deck.
1.And did you not see most of them where not real TOs
2. Doesn't this counter your point about not giving good cards to small stores, people ebayed the stuff anyways
Most importantly, do you think that people who support small stores should not be rewarded because some people will try to scam the system?
I did nothing.
But for the people who do something, why should you stop supporting them?
Lol I didn't go, but their where others who did becuase they thought their would be something good int the helvault, it may have not been the sole reason but it was enough to tip them to going. If wotc had been upfront about what was in most of the helvualt attendance at the prereleases would have been lower.
You mean applying attributes to someone simply because they disagree with you does not make said attribution true? Shocking.
Lets test that.
Ok I have some free cards and they are totally awesome just buy this pen I have for $50 and they are all yours.
So are you going to buy my $50 pen or did your parents not raise you well enough?
Wizards didnt screw anyone over. Magic players need to learn not to make outlandish assumptions about what could be in mystery items like the helvault. When people decide to go to a pre-release it should always and only be because they want to enjoy actually playing in the prerelease and getting a first shot at new cards from the set.
Honestly at our pre-release, while people were a little underwhelmed by the helvault, they had a lot of fun working with the achievements and such to get it openned, and then get the free stuff that they got out of it once that was done. Some people were of course hoping for something more out of it, but they didnt really expect to get something over the top out of it eithor.
There are still plenty of promos that are given out all the time at shops. You have pre-release promos, release promos, buy-a-box promos, gameday promos, duel of the planeswalkers promos, gateway kit promos, Promo items for planechase, and commander, special items like the Helvault, special double-sided tokens like the full-moon promotion, FNM promos, the special core-set planeswalker posters, various dice promos, the free-boxes wizards gives to shops to hand out for prizes during the pre-releases, and probably others that Im forgetting :p.
Inevitably, the player rewards program was simply getting too unwieldly to keep doing. The continued rising costs of postage and all of the time and manpower it likely took to send out the promos to all of the players like that was simply prohibitive for the company. By reallocating those funds into other areas, they were able to focus on giving more items for shops to give out, allowing them to cut costs and provide more at the shop level to incentivise players to go to the shops and play at events and such to strengthen the shops (the backbone of the entire magic game or most ccgs for that matter) while being able to adjust and increase offerings at that level accordingly.
As for the $50 pen. If I particularly was looking at purchasing that $50 pen anyway, and perhaps was deciding on which brand to buy or something, and one offered something else in addition if I bought it, I might certainly put them at the top of my list of which one of those $50 pens to buy. If I wasnt interested in the $50 pen, and was just looking for what might be in the mystery box, then yeah, Im simply gambling in hopes of there being something cool in the mystery box, which honestly isnt a great way to do things in my opinion. Then again, Im not a gambler by any stretch of the imagination and dont make assuptions about what might be in something. I work off of what I know, and assume that some sort of mystery item will be nothing of value, so at the very least I can be plesantly surprised if there is something good, and not dissapointed if there isnt.
checked completed auctions on ebay as well as current listings and not 1 foil helvault promo token or edh card listed. If you found one then post a link and a screen shot.
Magic players need to learn not to make outlandish assumptions about what could be in mystery items like the helvault.
Things like... judge promo Demonic Tutors?
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Wizards didnt screw anyone over. Magic players need to learn not to make outlandish assumptions about what could be in mystery items like the helvault. When people decide to go to a pre-release it should always and only be because they want to enjoy actually playing in the prerelease and getting a first shot at new cards from the set.
I've been going to prereleases for years, and the fact of the matter is "Just Another Limited Event" is not enough to justify me going to a prerelease. It simply is not. I can play limited any time I want. And with cube draft, I can even do that for free. I go to the prerelease for something special, and the promos are a very large part of that. Promos aren't free for me. I'm buying them by paying for all that random jank I'm going to be opening in booster packs.
If I'm going to play limited, I'm always going to have way more fun with 7 of my closest friends instead of 30+ strangers. And if I'm every going to buy packs, I'm always better off buying in bulk so that I'm not rolling the dice and hoping for the best. At a prerelease, I don't get either of those.
If you can't understand that, we're arguing past each other here.
Wizards didnt screw anyone over. Magic players need to learn not to make outlandish assumptions about what could be in mystery items like the helvault.
That is my point Wotc kept the crap contents of the vault secret so people would get excited about it. No one would have got this worked up if Wotc had announced free dice and Wotc knows that, they created the expectation and then they failed to live up to it.
When people decide to go to a pre-release it should always and only be because they want to enjoy actually playing in the prerelease and getting a first shot at new cards from the set.
Alot of people are on the fence about going, if they think there is going to be something special and cool that will push them to going. On ther other hand if they where told get some dice and useless card that's not very tempting.
There are still plenty of promos that are given out all the time at shops. You have pre-release promos, release promos, buy-a-box promos, gameday promos, duel of the planeswalkers promos, gateway kit promos, Promo items for planechase, and commander, special items like the Helvault, special double-sided tokens like the full-moon promotion, FNM promos, the special core-set planeswalker posters, various dice promos, the free-boxes wizards gives to shops to hand out for prizes during the pre-releases, and probably others that Im forgetting :p.
Most of those either A. come from buying stuff B. are worse than the where before or C. are crap. Rather than nice stuff for participating.
Inevitably, the player rewards program was simply getting too unwieldly to keep doing. The continued rising costs of postage and all of the time and manpower it likely took to send out the promos to all of the players like that was simply prohibitive for the company. By reallocating those funds into other areas, they were able to focus on giving more items for shops to give out, allowing them to cut costs and provide more at the shop level to incentivise players to go to the shops and play at events and such to strengthen the shops (the backbone of the entire magic game or most ccgs for that matter) while being able to adjust and increase offerings at that level accordingly.
Where did these funds go? And you call giving core shops no premium helvaults supporting them?
As for the $50 pen. If I particularly was looking at purchasing that $50 pen anyway, and perhaps was deciding on which brand to buy or something, and one offered something else in addition if I bought it, I might certainly put them at the top of my list of which one of those $50 pens to buy. If I wasnt interested in the $50 pen, and was just looking for what might be in the mystery box, then yeah, Im simply gambling in hopes of there being something cool in the mystery box, which honestly isnt a great way to do things in my opinion. Then again, Im not a gambler by any stretch of the imagination and dont make assuptions about what might be in something. I work off of what I know, and assume that some sort of mystery item will be nothing of value, so at the very least I can be plesantly surprised if there is something good, and not dissapointed if there isnt.
You missed the point, The point is the free things aren't really free, it is part of the package.
A 40 dollar mythic rare would constitute a must have 4 of that goes in many decks.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled. I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
I've been going to prereleases for years, and the fact of the matter is "Just Another Limited Event" is not enough to justify me going to a prerelease. It simply is not. I can play limited any time I want. And with cube draft, I can even do that for free. I go to the prerelease for something special, and the promos are a very large part of that. Promos aren't free for me. I'm buying them by paying for all that random jank I'm going to be opening in booster packs.
If I'm going to play limited, I'm always going to have way more fun with 7 of my closest friends instead of 30+ strangers. And if I'm every going to buy packs, I'm always better off buying in bulk so that I'm not rolling the dice and hoping for the best. At a prerelease, I don't get either of those.
If you can't understand that, we're arguing past each other here.
This is the case for a lot of people. Everyone has their own reasons for attending prereleases, but I'd wager that if WotC completely removed promo items from the event that attendance would drop significantly. I certainly would never attend another one, and I've been to almost every prerelease there's been.
still have my doubts as to their authenticity. also noticed they are from canada. I once bought an underground sea on ebay and it was a proxy I was pretty pissed but I got my cash back. I looked some more and the only ones listed were all from the same guy. Ill conceded that they may exsit but untill I see some other live listings Im going to assume they are home made proxies.
Maybe collectible games with randomized packs are not for you.
What an ignorant counter-argument. Are you honestly comparing the randomized all-foil Helvaults, which only the top tier WPN stores got to the actual Mtg economy? If you think they're one in the same then I'm not even going to bother arguing with someone that thinks that way.
So like, you wanted them to give the 'ballin' ' Helvaults to every store? So you think that every Zendikar Box for the prerelease parties should've had Power 9 in them, too?
They spread it around. You got sweet EDH oversized promos for free. You got a free FatPack die, and you got a free double-sided token. I can't stress the free part enough.
What they did was cool. The special thing they did was even cooler.
I don't have 'low expectations' for the company, I just don't expect them to give out a foil judge promo to everyone who played in the Avacyn Restored pre-release.
Everyone complaining about it has some silly self-entitlement issues.
No, do you enjoy hyperbole much? The Zendikar prerelease treasures were cool because nobody knew the ratio and Wizards didn't hype it up at all before the prerelease other than making a vague addition to the rules stating that cards that were not part of the Zendikar set would not be tournament legal which lead to speculation from the community. It wasn't until people started pulling P9 and other valuable cards that frenzy ensued, which is in stark contrast to Wizards hyping the **** out of the Helvault weeks before the actual prerelease, only for the majority of players to receive useless crap and only some people getting absurd promotional cards. You can't even claim it's random because it's not, Wizards specifically selected the high-tier stores to receive foil Helvaults, meaning the smaller stores got screwed over.
Nothing in this game is degenerate or completely dominant. They haven't banned anything in standard in a long, long time. Hell they should have banned affinity right away, but they didn't until boxed sales collapsed too. Hasbro had to come in and fire people.
I'll enjoy watching all the whiners eat crow monday.
Let's compare games, guys! From best to worst promos:
Legend of the Five Rings:
*2 playsets of promos for each player every event
*Custom cards you get to partially design (either flavor or mechanically) for winning storyline events that happen 4-6 times a year. These usually come with neat swag like certificates or even props like swords.
*Booster pack wrappers/Starter Deck tabs can be turned in for free rares from the current set (and other promotional)
*Card inserts (i.e. tokens) can be turned in for full art/foreign versions of staple cards (or rares of your choice from the current expansion).
*Free specially designed cards for donating to charities.
*Past Promotions include a complete expansion (playset) for free (The Imperial *Gift for their 15th anniversary), free promotionals that don't even require tournament participation, free packs/promos for helping demonstrate the game to newer players, free (good) decks for new players, and PDFs of future sets when printings get delayed that your allowed to print out and use in your decks.
*TL;DR: Tons of free cards, mailings, exclusives, alt-art (including actual full art with no text sans title); almost all the promos are "rares" (or alt art). They even give away niftythings like sleeves, shirts, swords and deck-boxes in exchange for old booster wrappers or random pack inserts.
Magic: The Gathering:
*Free tokens, dice, planeswalker loyalty counters, life-counters, boxes, M&Ms and oversized cards at various events.
*Free gameday, pre-release, release, GP, gateway league and FNM cards.
*Arch-Enemy/Planescape Schemes/Planes.
*Comic Book and Target-exclusive insert cards.
*Free packs of alternate art basic land if you live in Japan or Europe.
*Video Game promos.
*Oversized vintage card (one per year)
*Uncut sheets (usually convention exclusive)
*Convention exclusive alternate foiling promos.
*Judge Promos
*(Now retired) Tri-yearly MPR mailings with occasional special promotions like the Hypnotic Specter.
*Playmats at GPs
*TL;DR: Almost all alternate art of cards that range from uncommon to rare, many of which aren't played in any deck; but some are. The strongest cards tend to be exclusives like Judge and GP Promos.
Yu-Gi-Oh!
*****ty movie promos that are always big bombs with too many drawbacks to be playable with ****ty variants of other support cards. Recently they took this away and made movie packs that you had to pay money for; which failed spectacularly.
*Shonen Jump promos from the manga or magazine that are either niche playable or, once a year, extremely playable that tend to get ripped from the books/magazines in the store.
*Shonen Jump subscription promos exclusive to north america that tend to be ultimate rare game enders that define the future meta of the game and become $80 cards anyone in NA can get for $30.
*Pre-release/Release promos that have recently been mostly super-rares from the set that no one wanted in the first place. Always one promo per player with no extra swag.
*Playmats at large tournaments (only for the winners).
*Top 2 or Top 4 at large tournaments get a single card that gets released to the masses 6 months later and before then can be sold for hundreds since there are so few.
*Tournament packs
*Duel Terminal cards
*TL;DR: Almost all of their promos require you win a major event or spend money on a product so ****ty that the only people who buy it get for the promotional card itself; the cards range from junk to 'key component to make this type of deck actually work', making those archtypes suffer and die upon release which inadvertantly causes Konami to assume players just don't like the archtype and causes the company to abandon that type of deck. Occasionally there will be a $100+ promo that only gets printed as a promo...but it'll just be sold back and forth until some unlucky SoB finds themselves with the card amongst a market flooded with them when it gets reprinted as a common.
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In most other tabletop games promos are reserved for conventions and as part of special deals i.e. preorders, art-books and for tournament prize support. Shipping stuff to player's doors and giving stuff to local shops to give out to their players is just reserved for extremely niche events since its so expensive to coordinate.
Normal prizes in the single Helvault in Darwin, Australia...
Was still a blast to open, even people who normally never try to get achievements participated to try and get it open early. With 29 players, we managed to open in at the beginning of the 3rd round of 5.
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I use the Duels Of The Planeswalkers layout, though I'm right-handed and keep my deck and GY to the left. I dare you to ask me how tempting it is to hold flying creatures in a floating pattern over the table.
I'm starting to wonder if some stores swiped the cards from the Hellvault. If anyone got a good look at the Vault, it's easily resealed.
This is probably why the special Vaults have the foil tokens in them. If the players see a vault with foil tokens but no Judge promos, they know the store ripped them off.
They killed magic player rewards (which I loved and which got me out to my LGS much more) and promised to replace it with something, but I have yet to see that something.
Opened a premium helvault at the LGS today with judge decree of justice as the special cards. These things exist, no doubt about it. I'm not sure if one exists with demonic tutors as the promos or not, as this set is based around angels and exalted angel and decree of justice are both angelic in nature. The helvault also had foil tokens and foil oversized cards as well as normal dice. I'm just sad because I couldn't participate in the helvault today, but I could in the other helvault yesterday that of course had all the normal stuff in there.
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When I opened both Helvaults, we had 2 regular ones for both days. The players at the store actually really enjoyed the free stuff. All in all, I believe the Helvault was a great idea. Some stores getting better Helvaults then others was just random, and I'd hardly take it personally.
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I definitely went to one more prerelease event due to the possibility of the premium helvault. Kind of regretting it now but I still had a good time despite getting second to last place.
Can you walk in off the street and get these items without any kind of financial commitment? No? Then they're not free.
Period.
But they are not for sale. They are not product. You do not purchase them. You purchased a ticket to the event.
That being said, I'd also complain if I went to a baseball game and saw that the other half of the stadium won free hats and stickers and I was just given the stickers. That's natural.
I kinda find this phenomenon of people complaining that some stores got better stuff than others in their hellvault interesting.
It's funny because there are lots of different games that magic players play. By that I mean, having an epic story to tell from your prerelease. If your hellvault wasn't one of the foil ones, you won't be able to tell the story of the awesomeness and win for "best story from a prerelease".
I mean really, that's what it comes down to. People are upset because they don't get to have the best story and that it wasn't "fair" because the people who did were chosen at random.
Hate to say it, but there are much more important things than winning at everything. We had a regular hellvault at the prerelease I went to, but everyone still had a blast.
Opened a premium helvault at the LGS today with judge decree of justice as the special cards. These things exist, no doubt about it. I'm not sure if one exists with demonic tutors as the promos or not, as this set is based around angels and exalted angel and decree of justice are both angelic in nature. The helvault also had foil tokens and foil oversized cards as well as normal dice. I'm just sad because I couldn't participate in the helvault today, but I could in the other helvault yesterday that of course had all the normal stuff in there.
Not sure if it was the same place or not, but yeah I was at my prerelease today in the Minneapolis area and lo and behold, foil tokens, foil oversize promos and a promo Decree of Justice for everyone.
Felt extremely lucky to get these; in fact, just felt lucky to get more free stuff in general (as I went to the one on Saturday as well, to which we received normal everything). So if there are still any non-believers... believe!
As long as we are sharing stories: Our shop had three prereleases: at midnight, 11 am and 5 pm. Two guys went to all three and swept top 3 in the first two and still managed to top 8 the last one--but they were dead tired after that. Everyone had a great time and we cracked two helvaults: neither of which had exclusive foily goodness. I did manage to trade/talk my way up to getting all 5 oversized promos!
Wizards didnt screw anyone over. Magic players need to learn not to make outlandish assumptions about what could be in mystery items like the helvault. When people decide to go to a pre-release it should always and only be because they want to enjoy actually playing in the prerelease and getting a first shot at new cards from the set.
Honestly at our pre-release, while people were a little underwhelmed by the helvault, they had a lot of fun working with the achievements and such to get it openned, and then get the free stuff that they got out of it once that was done. Some people were of course hoping for something more out of it, but they didnt really expect to get something over the top out of it eithor.
There are still plenty of promos that are given out all the time at shops. You have pre-release promos, release promos, buy-a-box promos, gameday promos, duel of the planeswalkers promos, gateway kit promos, Promo items for planechase, and commander, special items like the Helvault, special double-sided tokens like the full-moon promotion, FNM promos, the special core-set planeswalker posters, various dice promos, the free-boxes wizards gives to shops to hand out for prizes during the pre-releases, and probably others that Im forgetting :p.
Inevitably, the player rewards program was simply getting too unwieldly to keep doing. The continued rising costs of postage and all of the time and manpower it likely took to send out the promos to all of the players like that was simply prohibitive for the company. By reallocating those funds into other areas, they were able to focus on giving more items for shops to give out, allowing them to cut costs and provide more at the shop level to incentivise players to go to the shops and play at events and such to strengthen the shops (the backbone of the entire magic game or most ccgs for that matter) while being able to adjust and increase offerings at that level accordingly.
As for the $50 pen. If I particularly was looking at purchasing that $50 pen anyway, and perhaps was deciding on which brand to buy or something, and one offered something else in addition if I bought it, I might certainly put them at the top of my list of which one of those $50 pens to buy. If I wasnt interested in the $50 pen, and was just looking for what might be in the mystery box, then yeah, Im simply gambling in hopes of there being something cool in the mystery box, which honestly isnt a great way to do things in my opinion. Then again, Im not a gambler by any stretch of the imagination and dont make assuptions about what might be in something. I work off of what I know, and assume that some sort of mystery item will be nothing of value, so at the very least I can be plesantly surprised if there is something good, and not dissapointed if there isnt.
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I've been going to prereleases for years, and the fact of the matter is "Just Another Limited Event" is not enough to justify me going to a prerelease. It simply is not. I can play limited any time I want. And with cube draft, I can even do that for free. I go to the prerelease for something special, and the promos are a very large part of that. Promos aren't free for me. I'm buying them by paying for all that random jank I'm going to be opening in booster packs.
If I'm going to play limited, I'm always going to have way more fun with 7 of my closest friends instead of 30+ strangers. And if I'm every going to buy packs, I'm always better off buying in bulk so that I'm not rolling the dice and hoping for the best. At a prerelease, I don't get either of those.
If you can't understand that, we're arguing past each other here.
That is my point Wotc kept the crap contents of the vault secret so people would get excited about it. No one would have got this worked up if Wotc had announced free dice and Wotc knows that, they created the expectation and then they failed to live up to it.
Alot of people are on the fence about going, if they think there is going to be something special and cool that will push them to going. On ther other hand if they where told get some dice and useless card that's not very tempting.
If they had done something as simple as put playable cards in it there would be more satisfied people. Playable cards is not over the top.
Most of those either A. come from buying stuff B. are worse than the where before or C. are crap. Rather than nice stuff for participating.
Where did these funds go? And you call giving core shops no premium helvaults supporting them?
You missed the point, The point is the free things aren't really free, it is part of the package.
Stats About Mythics
-Mythics are on average 40% rarer than pre-mythic rares
(old blocks about 200 rares, Mythic blocks 35+ mythics)
-They are printing more new cards a year not less
(about 665 now vs. 630 in most pre-mythic block)
-To drop the value of a rare by $1 a mythic must go up $2
-In a 3 year time span deck prices doubled.
I am petitioning for the removal of mythic rarity. Sig this to join the cause.
This is the case for a lot of people. Everyone has their own reasons for attending prereleases, but I'd wager that if WotC completely removed promo items from the event that attendance would drop significantly. I certainly would never attend another one, and I've been to almost every prerelease there's been.
What an ignorant counter-argument. Are you honestly comparing the randomized all-foil Helvaults, which only the top tier WPN stores got to the actual Mtg economy? If you think they're one in the same then I'm not even going to bother arguing with someone that thinks that way.
No, do you enjoy hyperbole much? The Zendikar prerelease treasures were cool because nobody knew the ratio and Wizards didn't hype it up at all before the prerelease other than making a vague addition to the rules stating that cards that were not part of the Zendikar set would not be tournament legal which lead to speculation from the community. It wasn't until people started pulling P9 and other valuable cards that frenzy ensued, which is in stark contrast to Wizards hyping the **** out of the Helvault weeks before the actual prerelease, only for the majority of players to receive useless crap and only some people getting absurd promotional cards. You can't even claim it's random because it's not, Wizards specifically selected the high-tier stores to receive foil Helvaults, meaning the smaller stores got screwed over.
Who's eating crow?
Noteworthy to say that Restoration Angel is a fairly decent release promo.
If you want to talk about unplayable promos.
Legend of the Five Rings:
*2 playsets of promos for each player every event
*Custom cards you get to partially design (either flavor or mechanically) for winning storyline events that happen 4-6 times a year. These usually come with neat swag like certificates or even props like swords.
*Booster pack wrappers/Starter Deck tabs can be turned in for free rares from the current set (and other promotional)
*Card inserts (i.e. tokens) can be turned in for full art/foreign versions of staple cards (or rares of your choice from the current expansion).
*Free specially designed cards for donating to charities.
*Past Promotions include a complete expansion (playset) for free (The Imperial *Gift for their 15th anniversary), free promotionals that don't even require tournament participation, free packs/promos for helping demonstrate the game to newer players, free (good) decks for new players, and PDFs of future sets when printings get delayed that your allowed to print out and use in your decks.
*TL;DR: Tons of free cards, mailings, exclusives, alt-art (including actual full art with no text sans title); almost all the promos are "rares" (or alt art). They even give away niftythings like sleeves, shirts, swords and deck-boxes in exchange for old booster wrappers or random pack inserts.
Magic: The Gathering:
*Free tokens, dice, planeswalker loyalty counters, life-counters, boxes, M&Ms and oversized cards at various events.
*Free gameday, pre-release, release, GP, gateway league and FNM cards.
*Arch-Enemy/Planescape Schemes/Planes.
*Comic Book and Target-exclusive insert cards.
*Free packs of alternate art basic land if you live in Japan or Europe.
*Video Game promos.
*Oversized vintage card (one per year)
*Uncut sheets (usually convention exclusive)
*Convention exclusive alternate foiling promos.
*Judge Promos
*(Now retired) Tri-yearly MPR mailings with occasional special promotions like the Hypnotic Specter.
*Playmats at GPs
*TL;DR: Almost all alternate art of cards that range from uncommon to rare, many of which aren't played in any deck; but some are. The strongest cards tend to be exclusives like Judge and GP Promos.
Yu-Gi-Oh!
*****ty movie promos that are always big bombs with too many drawbacks to be playable with ****ty variants of other support cards. Recently they took this away and made movie packs that you had to pay money for; which failed spectacularly.
*Shonen Jump promos from the manga or magazine that are either niche playable or, once a year, extremely playable that tend to get ripped from the books/magazines in the store.
*Shonen Jump subscription promos exclusive to north america that tend to be ultimate rare game enders that define the future meta of the game and become $80 cards anyone in NA can get for $30.
*Pre-release/Release promos that have recently been mostly super-rares from the set that no one wanted in the first place. Always one promo per player with no extra swag.
*Playmats at large tournaments (only for the winners).
*Top 2 or Top 4 at large tournaments get a single card that gets released to the masses 6 months later and before then can be sold for hundreds since there are so few.
*Tournament packs
*Duel Terminal cards
*TL;DR: Almost all of their promos require you win a major event or spend money on a product so ****ty that the only people who buy it get for the promotional card itself; the cards range from junk to 'key component to make this type of deck actually work', making those archtypes suffer and die upon release which inadvertantly causes Konami to assume players just don't like the archtype and causes the company to abandon that type of deck. Occasionally there will be a $100+ promo that only gets printed as a promo...but it'll just be sold back and forth until some unlucky SoB finds themselves with the card amongst a market flooded with them when it gets reprinted as a common.
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In most other tabletop games promos are reserved for conventions and as part of special deals i.e. preorders, art-books and for tournament prize support. Shipping stuff to player's doors and giving stuff to local shops to give out to their players is just reserved for extremely niche events since its so expensive to coordinate.
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Was still a blast to open, even people who normally never try to get achievements participated to try and get it open early. With 29 players, we managed to open in at the beginning of the 3rd round of 5.
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What? What are these? Does anyone have pictures of them?...
OT: I wasn't at my local prerelease(s) but from what I understand no premium Helvault was opened and people still had a great time.
This is probably why the special Vaults have the foil tokens in them. If the players see a vault with foil tokens but no Judge promos, they know the store ripped them off.
They replaced it with Helvaults and FNM M&M's.
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But they are not for sale. They are not product. You do not purchase them. You purchased a ticket to the event.
That being said, I'd also complain if I went to a baseball game and saw that the other half of the stadium won free hats and stickers and I was just given the stickers. That's natural.
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It's funny because there are lots of different games that magic players play. By that I mean, having an epic story to tell from your prerelease. If your hellvault wasn't one of the foil ones, you won't be able to tell the story of the awesomeness and win for "best story from a prerelease".
I mean really, that's what it comes down to. People are upset because they don't get to have the best story and that it wasn't "fair" because the people who did were chosen at random.
Hate to say it, but there are much more important things than winning at everything. We had a regular hellvault at the prerelease I went to, but everyone still had a blast.
[[b]B]DCI Level 2 Judge[/B][/b]Not sure if it was the same place or not, but yeah I was at my prerelease today in the Minneapolis area and lo and behold, foil tokens, foil oversize promos and a promo Decree of Justice for everyone.
Felt extremely lucky to get these; in fact, just felt lucky to get more free stuff in general (as I went to the one on Saturday as well, to which we received normal everything). So if there are still any non-believers... believe!
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i have a feeling this is gonna determine where people play at from now on.