Think I like this guy. Definitely something I would consider running in Lazav, my group tends to have extra draw effects relatively frequently (Rites of Flourishing are common place at our table). Only real downside is that he's got not much else going for him, he is just a bit of a draw engine himself, and not one I can see much else use for.
I absolutely love this card. People in my meta love to draw cards, and alot of them. Poor Azami. LOL anyways.... this will find a nice snug home in my Lazav deck.
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They choose to draw two over and over. Notion Thief isn't optional so they force you to draw two til you mill, no option.
What happens if both players control one?
It is a draw right? Am I missing something that doesn't make it an instant draw off any draw spell.
No, as I and others before me have said a replacement effect can apply once to each event. So efficently speaking if you both control a equal number of them and then both have drawn a card this turn and then one of you draw another that guy will draw the card. If one controls more thanthe other that player draws the card.
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"Hail to the speaker, hail to the knower; joy to he who has understood, delight to they who have listened." - Odin
So as an Esper Control player, basically if my opponent has 2UB up and I Sphinx's Rev, I now need to have a Warped Physique plus UB up. Probably also need a Negate or Dispel plus mana up too, just in case they have counters instead of this guy. I foresee the Esper mirrors coming down to whoever wins game 1 will win the matches since the other 2 games will be draws. That's lame. I really enjoyed the Esper mirrors games 2 and 3, but now they are going to suck. If Esper Control gets popular enough where mirrors are common, then they are going to have to ban this stupid card.
I like him more against Bant Control, since they have to leave up counter mana to deal with him. Once he is on the board, their Rev's and Zegana's are terrible, and they'll have to run Supreme Verdict, Oring, or Dsphere to deal with him. But they will have already lost a ton of card advantage to him.
Fairly narrow, but the more I look at the card, the more I wish they didn't print it. Card is unfun.
Is it just me or does this guy feel infinitely more "mind drinker" than Mirko Vosk?
^^^ THIS. Why is the Dimir champion so crappy and boring?
EDIT: Wait, so this effect can only happen once per drawn card? If that is true, then I guess this card isn't as stupid as I initially thought. I really hope this is true because I don't want Esper mirror match games resulting in draws all the time.
seems good to answer sphinx's revelation or urban evoltion. a bit slow to really take advantage of its ability to blow out your opponent's faithless looting, but it does have the option there. may see play in legacy sideboards to surprise your opponent and draw 3 and force them to put 2 cards on top of their library in response to a brainstorm. basically a 6 for 1. personally, i want to combo it with whispering madness. we both discard our hands, i draw cards equal to twice the largest handsize, you draw none. even lets you target your opponent with sign in blood so they get the life loss and you get the card draw. fun card. lots of potential to be powerful as both a johnny and a spike card. overall, I certainly approve.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Because that is a completely different card. This card actually gives the opponent the opportunity to think twice with this guy on the field to draw a card on your turn since he hasn't drawn a card.
I also believe if he casts sphinx's on your turn and you flash this guy in he still gets the first card drawn.
Not to mention if they ever make an emblem that gives you another card every turn or you have a token that gives you cards like a token of an Ophidian then your version does not interact with those.
The card specifically mentions that if it's a card drawn other than their first one at their draw step, then they skip it and you draw instead.
So as long as this guy is out..Think Twice is also a dead card and Revelation gives the Thief's controller all the cards.
I once farted during the final match for prizes at an FNM. It was a tense moment, everything was quiet, control vs control, I was about to mana leak, thought about it.. and farted. Then mana leaked.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
The next WB spell would be something like -
Life Sucker Patriarch
Creature - human lich cleric, 1/3,
Whenever opponent would gain life, he or he instead loses that much life and you gain that much life.
And BRG spell
Grave Refresher Overlord
Creature - ogre zombie shaman 4/2,
Whenever a creature comes into play under opponent's control, he or he sacrifices it, and you put a creature from your graveyard into play for each creature sacrificed that way.
Actually for the WB one I could see "Whenever an opponent gains life you gain that life instead". The section where they lose the life would be way to ridiculous.
As for this card I think he is a little too expensive, but the ability is cool.
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
UBBreya's Toybox (Competitive, Combo)WR
RGodzilla, King of the MonstersG
-Retired Decks-
UBLazav, Dimir Mastermind (Competitive, UB Voltron/Control)UB
"Knowledge is such a burden. Release it. Release all your fears to me."
—Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
Tiamat, Chromatic Dragon RWUBG
Planeswalker - Tiamat
[+1] Sit on Nicol Bolas
[+0] Wait for him to beg for mercy, rule the multiverse.
[-7] Not necessary, she is the ultimate.
EDIT: still kinda jank though. i stand firm that dimir has been seriously ripped off in this block
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Godo: Strap him up and turn him sideways!
No, as I and others before me have said a replacement effect can apply once to each event. So efficently speaking if you both control a equal number of them and then both have drawn a card this turn and then one of you draw another that guy will draw the card. If one controls more thanthe other that player draws the card.
I like him more against Bant Control, since they have to leave up counter mana to deal with him. Once he is on the board, their Rev's and Zegana's are terrible, and they'll have to run Supreme Verdict, Oring, or Dsphere to deal with him. But they will have already lost a ton of card advantage to him.
Fairly narrow, but the more I look at the card, the more I wish they didn't print it. Card is unfun.
^^^ THIS. Why is the Dimir champion so crappy and boring?
EDIT: Wait, so this effect can only happen once per drawn card? If that is true, then I guess this card isn't as stupid as I initially thought. I really hope this is true because I don't want Esper mirror match games resulting in draws all the time.
Why would it negate life gain?
Standard: W/R Aggro
Hose it good!!!
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Nope, gaining life and drawing cards are independent effects that just happen to use the same number.
dont they still gain the life?
More like play this against a Consecrated Sphinx and end up being forced to deck yourself.
UBBreya's Toybox (Competitive, Combo)WR
RGodzilla, King of the MonstersG
-Retired Decks-
UBLazav, Dimir Mastermind (Competitive, UB Voltron/Control)UB
"Knowledge is such a burden. Release it. Release all your fears to me."
—Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
Credit goes to Brofoux for the Sig pic.
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The card specifically mentions that if it's a card drawn other than their first one at their draw step, then they skip it and you draw instead.
So as long as this guy is out..Think Twice is also a dead card and Revelation gives the Thief's controller all the cards.
They gain 8 life and draw 0, and you draw 8.
Bah not my intent! All is well, that's why they make chocolate and vanilla, and all that.
Keep calm and carry on stealing other peoples card draws.
love it.
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Derp... read this too quickly and thought it was a "may" thing.
Yeah, that's a one-way ticket to instant loss without Laboratory Maniac
It does hose Rhystic Study and Mind's Eye pretty readily,
though that may be a bad thing as far as I'm concerned...
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Actually for the WB one I could see "Whenever an opponent gains life you gain that life instead". The section where they lose the life would be way to ridiculous.
As for this card I think he is a little too expensive, but the ability is cool.
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Standard Deck:
BUPirates
Modern Deck:
B8-Rack
(full of universal draw like Font of Mythos, Otherworld Atlas, etc)
This + Teferi's Puzzle Box is devious.
It's almost as harsh as Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur
(one of my most adored cards of all time)
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW