Good card for sure. Anything with a cost this cheap must be considered. The effect of course is highly specialized so this will really only be a sideboard card, but its a very good sideboard card for when it is needed.
when extended was TSP-10E-zen i build a vamp deck (yeah a monoblack vamp deck) with extirpates and ever extirpate bring me to the late game, the tech is ever get info from the oponent hand (8 discard efects maindeck thoughtseize/IoK and 10postboard 2duress) and when you can make 2-1 from his hand extirpate it in one game i extirpate 2 cryptic command from my opp hand he was playing teaching(always extirpated).
this card is very useful for black mages in my opinion
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Trust me, if your choice is between Jace in the mail or a girl in your bed, take the girl and wait for Jace to rotate. Even when you lose in bed, you still win...kinda.
when extended was TSP-10E-zen i build a vamp deck (yeah a monoblack vamp deck) with extirpates and ever extirpate bring me to the late game, the tech is ever get info from the oponent hand (8 discard efects maindeck thoughtseize/IoK and 10postboard 2duress) and when you can make 2-1 from his hand extirpate it in one game i extirpate 2 cryptic command from my opp hand he was playing teaching(always extirpated).
this card is very useful for black mages in my opinion
I had to decipher this. yeah, Extirpate owned, this owns almost harder (doesn't have split second, but it's as free as if Force of Will and Thoughtseize had a baby).
Take your monoblack deck, then set aside 14 swamps. Add 4 Creeping Tar Pits, 4 Darkslick Shores, 4 Drowned Catacombs, and 2 Jwar isle Refuge and add 4 Jace, the Mindsculptors. Your monoblack deck is instantly better. Better yet, drop those refuges, throw in some islands and some mana leaks, and lo and behold, you're now playing a real deck. Congratulations. Welcome to the world of competitive M:TG.
Not broken, but still pretty cool. Won't suddenly make MBC playable despite the usual claims from the usual people.
Um, I like the card. Two life for a free spell that can go into any deck is obviously nothing easily dismissed. I think the history of Extirpate (did nothing in Standard, sees a little bit of play elsewhere, not much) is a good example of what to expect from this card. Again, the colorless part is just great, though. I definitely expect some UB and UW shells sideboarding these.
Free mana spells are nuts even if they make you pay 2 life. If we see any more cards with a power level like that we're in for a bumpy ride.
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Really don't like the idea of cards with only Phybrid mana costs, since it breaks the color pie.
Considering a lot of people are speculating Innistrad to have a lot of graveyard-based mechs and interactions, I can see this card becoming a 2-4 of on every single sideboard in standard.
yeah this looks awesome but you do have to spend 4 slots in your deck playing it and it only works after something of theirs goes to the yard so in standard, idk how great it is unless combo decks become unbelievably broken...
im actually pretty psyched for legacy with this so i can run it in MUD, very psyched indeed
It's going to ruin Vengevine decks, but I don't see it doing much past that.
It has the potential to cripple most of the top tier decks right now today. But, its too early to be saying anything IMO. We have to wait to see what the other 121 cards are.
But for the sake of discussion. There are many early game plays. Duress, IoK hell you could even make an argument for a T3 Sadistic Sacrament for three additional threats. Leaving what your Duress/IoK has in graveyard its going to put opposing players on a very short clock.
Its going to give us options though, which is a good thing against those same boring 2/3 decks on the top for the last few months.
Could this mean that a 1UU or even UU Phyrexian counterspell is feasible? o_O
Nah, it'd outclass Stoic Rebuttal entirely, which is a card that can already be counterspell if you have Metalcraft. I use it in my U/B Tezz control deck....it isn't really that hard to pull off. A pUUU spell would be ridiculous in comparison. o_0
Nah, it'd outclass Stoic Rebuttal entirely, which is a card that can already be counterspell if you have Metalcraft. I use it in my U/B Tezz control deck....it isn't really that hard to pull off. A pUUU spell would be ridiculous in comparison. o_0
i can definitely see a Force of Will reprint for life so they can say it isnt broken, makes sense to me seeing as Jace will be leaving and blue's power level will probably go down a bit
that's speculation though
Surgical Extraction plus Sad sac would kind of ruin a tezz deck or anything running 1 of finishers, probably Eldrazi ramp as well, maybe caw? nah there's too many threats in a deck like caw to keep it down with 1 or even 3 removals
in casual games with friends, this low-mana rare will probably be maindeck material.
i find it a little sad that most people feel that Standard is the be-all and end-all of MTG. don't people have fun and play around kitchen tables any more?
sure, in standard it's a cute way to deal with a couple of cards in their deck. it may even win a few games.
in casual, this type of effect is powerful. it can potentially wreck a deck on the first turn if it doesn't have enough variety in its win conditions (and let's be honest most decks don't).
extirpate was the premier "card to have" in my casual circle, and only one guy had any of them. this card will no doubt be similar.
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That's hilarious. You should do standup. The funny thing is that even if you cast this against high tide, they can kill you in response. Same with aluren and a ton of other decks. But the statement is ridiculous in general.
eh, maybe he means in standard. Legacy combo decks won't care much about this obviously (except Dredge I suppose) but Standard and Extended combo decks tend to be much more slow-roll in style, instead of big-turn style like there Legacy counterparts. Surgical Extraction could be a good sideboard card against a slow-roll style combo deck in Standard.
I'm liking the looks of that mill control deck. could be fun to sleeve something up and play it against some caw-blade and eldrazi and see how it does for the time being.
eh, maybe he means in standard. Legacy combo decks won't care much about this obviously (except Dredge I suppose) but Standard and Extended combo decks tend to be much more slow-roll in style, instead of big-turn style like there Legacy counterparts. Surgical Extraction could be a good sideboard card against a slow-roll style combo deck in Standard.
This seems like a horrible card against Valakut. The cards you Memoricide in that matchup are Titan and Valakut. By the time those see the GY, you're probably dead.
Unless you're talking about another combo deck?
This seems like a horrible card against Valakut. The cards you Memoricide in that matchup are Titan and Valakut. By the time those see the GY, you're probably dead.
Unless you're talking about another combo deck?
Sadistic Sacrament gets Valakut in the GY on turn 3, this is before it comes online. The great thing about Sadistic, it can hit multiple targets.
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if it wasn't broken at 1 black mana and uncounterable I doubt it will be broken at 0 mana paying 2 life
this card is very useful for black mages in my opinion
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I had to decipher this. yeah, Extirpate owned, this owns almost harder (doesn't have split second, but it's as free as if Force of Will and Thoughtseize had a baby).
esperblade with Surgical Extraction. yes please.
Um, I like the card. Two life for a free spell that can go into any deck is obviously nothing easily dismissed. I think the history of Extirpate (did nothing in Standard, sees a little bit of play elsewhere, not much) is a good example of what to expect from this card. Again, the colorless part is just great, though. I definitely expect some UB and UW shells sideboarding these.
So I'd give it a 8/10 if Extirpate is a 6/10.
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I am, a lot.
MBC is getting stronger and stronger by the minute
Considering a lot of people are speculating Innistrad to have a lot of graveyard-based mechs and interactions, I can see this card becoming a 2-4 of on every single sideboard in standard.
im actually pretty psyched for legacy with this so i can run it in MUD, very psyched indeed
It has the potential to cripple most of the top tier decks right now today. But, its too early to be saying anything IMO. We have to wait to see what the other 121 cards are.
But for the sake of discussion. There are many early game plays. Duress, IoK hell you could even make an argument for a T3 Sadistic Sacrament for three additional threats. Leaving what your Duress/IoK has in graveyard its going to put opposing players on a very short clock.
Its going to give us options though, which is a good thing against those same boring 2/3 decks on the top for the last few months.
Nah, it'd outclass Stoic Rebuttal entirely, which is a card that can already be counterspell if you have Metalcraft. I use it in my U/B Tezz control deck....it isn't really that hard to pull off. A pUUU spell would be ridiculous in comparison. o_0
i can definitely see a Force of Will reprint for life so they can say it isnt broken, makes sense to me seeing as Jace will be leaving and blue's power level will probably go down a bit
that's speculation though
Surgical Extraction plus Sad sac would kind of ruin a tezz deck or anything running 1 of finishers, probably Eldrazi ramp as well, maybe caw? nah there's too many threats in a deck like caw to keep it down with 1 or even 3 removals
i find it a little sad that most people feel that Standard is the be-all and end-all of MTG. don't people have fun and play around kitchen tables any more?
sure, in standard it's a cute way to deal with a couple of cards in their deck. it may even win a few games.
in casual, this type of effect is powerful. it can potentially wreck a deck on the first turn if it doesn't have enough variety in its win conditions (and let's be honest most decks don't).
extirpate was the premier "card to have" in my casual circle, and only one guy had any of them. this card will no doubt be similar.
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That's hilarious. You should do standup. The funny thing is that even if you cast this against high tide, they can kill you in response. Same with aluren and a ton of other decks. But the statement is ridiculous in general.
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This seems like a horrible card against Valakut. The cards you Memoricide in that matchup are Titan and Valakut. By the time those see the GY, you're probably dead.
Unless you're talking about another combo deck?
Sadistic Sacrament gets Valakut in the GY on turn 3, this is before it comes online. The great thing about Sadistic, it can hit multiple targets.
Read Sadistic Sacrament again.
Sadistic what? We're talking about competitive decks, here.
Edit - oh, whats why I never head of the card, it exiles things. Yeah, that does nothing with this card.