[...] I mean, does anyone truly believe that if the Reserve List was suddenly removed today, that WotC would reprint Black Lotus or the original Mox's? Those cards will never be reprinted and everyone knows it. The purpose of the Reserve List was to maintain secondary market value by providing assurances that rares wouldn't be reprinted. But the secondary market doesn't need such assurances anymore and many cards on the Reserve List could see an increase in value if they were printed in 11th Edition (or other, current sets). These would be cards that are nice or interesting or even powerful, but are not powerful enough for Legacy and Vintage.
This is really true, especially for the second part ... a lot of cards in Reserve list is not so powerful, lot of them could have a great impact in standard, without being broken.
Another consideration of mine about power level cards, If I had some of them I will not be angry if they reprint them, because old ones have always their legacy fashion and people who play legacy will always prefer the old ones, even if more expensive.
(me too, I have always preferred to play with older cards, even if there are other reprinted or with same effects)
I would love to see the Honden's From Kamigawa back. They each represent a piece of the color pie for each color. They show that a card does not have to be Rare/Mythic to be Legendary let alone to be a creature and Legendary. They could also build up for a return to Kamigawa which I would like to see... and done right this time. We need another Shrine!
Being reprinted in 4th is all it takes. Sorry, your wrong again. And to be honest, there are TONS of cards on the reserve list that are just weak. WEAK! On no ... my Opponent is packing copy artifact! OMG! Watch out for those farmsteads and elephant graveyards! surely you have not played a game of magic until you have faced the raw, destructive power of Urza's Miter or MOLD DEMON!!!!! /sarcasm
Speaking of Mold demon, thats not the only thing thats weak.
Doug, please read the top of the reserve list where it says, and i quote: "No cards will be added to the reserved list in the future. No cards from the Mercadian Masques set and later sets will be reserved. In consideration of past commitments, however, no cards will be removed from this list." The reserve list is like the Mafia, Once your in, your in for life.
thanks for using Google. To answer your questions, Mario said it a few times i believe. do a search on mtg official site. you will find it.
I do agree stifle would be good to have back. Want it in a new frame!
i dont think they would do howling Mine anyways, they just printed that 'double howling mine" card in conflux.
shocks or pains or fetches ... i choose none of the above: but thats just because i want to go back to a more mono color environment. it should not be as easy as it is to play all 5 colors. it makes choosing a color sort of like playing sorry, where the piece you pick does not mean anything. this is something that Richard Garfield designed the game not to do...
Your classics all seem fine to me.
I still don't see how this changes the fact that Balance is highly unlikely to see print again. The fact that they aren't planning on updating the reserve list (which again, is a public list.) doesn't mean that they DON'T have a nifty list of cards that they won't reprint for many of the same reasons as the cards on the reserve list hidden away somewhere.
And yes, not every card on the reserve list WAS overpowered, but are you honestly telling me that you think they tossed most of the cards that they did from the Urza block on there to make collectors happy? No, it was the stuff that killed standard that went on there.
My points are still valid in the end, although not all encompassing.
I've got a crazy one, but bear with me. Necropotence.
There, I said it. The Skull was definitely responsible for one of the darkest times in Magic, but I honestly think in Today's Standard it would be fine. Powerful still, but nothing like it was. Necro's power back during the Black Summer was largely a result of Ivory Tower, Dark Ritual, and the restriction of Black Vise. Without the support cards I think Necro would be quite a surprise. There's also no Donate and Illusions of Grandeur to abuse.
Necropotence would inject a lot of... well, life into black, which has really been suffering these recent sets.
I still don't see how this changes the fact that Balance is highly unlikely to see print again. The fact that they aren't planning on updating the reserve list (which again, is a public list.) doesn't mean that they DON'T have a nifty list of cards that they won't reprint for many of the same reasons as the cards on the reserve list hidden away somewhere.
yeah here is the "secret list"
ready?
1. Mana Drain
2. FoW
3. Balance
4. Necropotence
I was never saying balance needs to see print. You said "it needs to be put on the list" and i said "no that can't happen, here are the rules". You said "but, but __________ (i want to argue)." If you would have been like "oh, those are the rules. Cool." then we would both have like 20 posts less on our post count.
Again i never said they would print it again, just that it cant get put on the list.
shhheesh
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To back up the above post, the saying on the WoTC side is that all of RnD will get hit by a bus before Mana Drain is reprinted.
So yes, there are cards that are blacklisted that aren't on the reserve list, as it wasn't made for power levels alone. (Especially towards the end)
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On the Darksteel Colossus note, it would also make sense from a basics of the game sense, since indestrucability seems to be an evergreen mechanic, and could be somewhat difficult for someone to understand at first, making it perfect for some big ol' core set reminder text.
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I was pretty excited for Modern.
Not so much anymore.
On the Darksteel Colossus note, it would also make sense from a basics of the game sense, since indestrucability seems to be an evergreen mechanic, and could be somewhat difficult for someone to understand at first, making it perfect for some big ol' core set reminder text.
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Intro packs are for beginners. Everything else is for everyone else.
This was stated in the set size article that MaRo wrote. The one that stated 11th will be the size of shards, mythics and all.
Colossus fits into 11th like a glove. Chase mythic, 11foran11/11in11th, etc.
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yeah here is the "secret list"
ready?
1. Mana Drain
2. FoW
3. Balance
4. Necropotence
I was never saying balance needs to see print. You said "it needs to be put on the list" and i said "no that can't happen, here are the rules". You said "but, but __________ (i want to argue)." If you would have been like "oh, those are the rules. Cool." then we would both have like 20 posts less on our post count.
Again i never said they would print it again, just that it cant get put on the list.
shhheesh
Actually, I said it DESERVES to be on the list. I'm well aware that they're not updating the list. I'm not new to the game by any means, and it's well known they aren't adding to the list. I never said they were going to, just that there are cards that were excluded that shouldn't have been.
And Torec, I really doubt they're going to include Exalted Angel in 11th. A singleton (or even just a small handful of) morph card(s) in the format would cause some problems, especially with newer players. The new core sets aren't begginner sets anymore, but morph was a fairly complicated mechanic (not using the stack, being a colorless 2/2 creature with no CMC, etc, etc) and could easily confuse newer players at FNM's.
The problem with reprinting Necropotence is that, even though current Standard seems fine and that it won't be too troublesome, it will completely distort the format around it. That is how powerful Necropotence really is. Blightning-style beatdown would start running it to boost its lategame against almost every control deck, not to mention whatever absurb control/midrange strategies would revolve around it. The idea of 1 life being worth one card works up until the point that you can turn 4 life into 4 cards at once. There is, too, a significant amount of effective lifegain availible for a Necropotence player to work the card's "drawbacks" on. It just can't be done.
That being said, I love the Skull as much as the next player who sported their Necro decks back in the day and would be happy to see it get reprinted. It's just so unlikely and probably too much of a bad idea to be feasible.
The problem with reprinting Necropotence is that, even though current Standard seems fine and that it won't be too troublesome, it will completely distort the format around it. That is how powerful Necropotence really is. Blightning-style beatdown would start running it to boost its lategame against almost every control deck, not to mention whatever absurb control/midrange strategies would revolve around it. The idea of 1 life being worth one card works up until the point that you can turn 4 life into 4 cards at once. There is, too, a significant amount of effective lifegain availible for a Necropotence player to work the card's "drawbacks" on. It just can't be done.
That being said, I love the Skull as much as the next player who sported their Necro decks back in the day and would be happy to see it get reprinted. It's just so unlikely and probably too much of a bad idea to be feasible.
I'd hope something like that ^^
+ Shock or painlands and ofcourse BoP / *** and the lorwyn walkers as mythics.
Black seems fine. Blood Moon will not be reprinted at mythic, nor will Char be an uncommon (Moon because there's nothing mythic about it, Char because at uncommon it would be stupid in limited). Blue seems fine. Witness is not getting reprinted; it's way, way, way over the curve. STE is awesome and should be back. You won't see Exalted Angel because you really can't reprint morph creatures in sets without having a bunch of other morphs; otherwise, everyone will know what it is when you drop it facedown. Prison and Fetters are fine, not sure on the rarities. Colossus is fine, Wargear might be a tad strong, but is probably passable. The only multi of your list that could possibly show up is Recoil, and even that I doubt. With the exception of the Lorwyn walkers, none of the things you've mentioned for mythics will ever be printed as mythics.
Umm yeah they wouldn't reprint mana drain duh it's a tad obvious...
Can people stop listing cards on the reserved list here's the link because honestly whenever I see people wanting unprintable cards reprinted it drives me insane
Yeah bargain was even better than necropotence because the effect was INSTANT DRAW AND NOT DELAYED like necropotence is. Necropotence is just way too good to see print especially if they reprint spellbook but you don't even need that there's reliquary tower which is spellbook in land form.
God please don't reprint crazy good eternal/extended cards...it just drives the price up too much and really makes extended and the eternal formats even more expensive which I would hate personally and probably a lot of other legacy players also.
Powder keg is unprintable wow didn't realize that...
As for engineered explosives...if you want 5 color control to completely stomp over everything reprint this card. It'd probably drive the price up even more to about 25 or 30 just such a good card just crazy
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I doubt will see colossus at mythic because they have fifteen mythics, meaning three for each color. I'd much rather see solemn simulacrum myself.
15 Mythics =/= 3 slots for each color. We can't exactly look at Shards to see what the Core will look like, but that should give an idea and there is a precedent for mythic artifacts
What do you think the chances of Rampant Growth being reprinted in 11th are? I think it will since it's been in every core set since 6th, and with the Domain mechanic returning I think it's a real possibility.
I know it's a common, but it's the only 10th card I'm running in one of my decks and I'd hate to start looking for replacements. Though tribe-elder being reprinted instead is cool too
15 Mythics =/= 3 slots for each color. We can't exactly look at Shards to see what the Core will look like, but that should give an idea and there is a precedent for mythic artifacts
15/5 = 3 slots for each color.
Unless they're going put five colorless cards at mythic(not likely)
I think Rampant Growth is likely to be reprinted. I don't want to see tribe elder back, I hate how meta changing it is.
I'm kinda shocked that nobody has mentioned this after 10 pages of silliness that ranges from Engineered Explosives to Necropotence, but a reasonable card to reprint, and I think that should be a part of every core set from now on, is Pithing Needle. Powerful, elegant, not abuseable, and entirely defensive, the Needle deserves a spot in 11th.
Nothing in 11th can impact Vintage/Legacy (obviously. By definition).
So, given that, I want to see White boosted in Extended. Its by FAR the worst color in that format.
Here's the list of cool creative semi-realistic stuff I want for each color:
White-
Cataclysm (should be interesting)
Orim's Chant (probably won't happen because of kicker but..)
Mother of Runes
Replenish
I would like to see Decree of Justice stay in the format, but again its got cycling and would be a bit weird without reprinting the whole cycle.
Blue-
Upheaval
Stifle
Predict (fine without top)
Careful Consideration (card drawing should NOT be better than this anymore IMO)
Red-
Ball Lightning
Firestorm
Goblin Welder (go go go)
Char
Ruination (....... just kidding)
Green-
Sakura-Tribe Elder
Exploration (maybe not given Extended... fine in Standard)
Wild Mongrel
Argothian Enchantress (might make g/w enchantress possible in extended)
Basically, kick blue in the crotch since its Always the Best F'ing Color And Its Getting Annoying while giving the other colors lots of fun tools to play with.
Man, some of these requests are outright ridiculous. We all know Necropotence and Balance are broken overpowered and will never be printed again.
How about a few cards that are just fun, not overpowered to dominate the tournament scene:
Darksteel Colossus - All the people suggesting this are right, I hope. I've always loved this guy, and mythic rarity would keep his secondary market value stable through a reprint. One of the best fatties in the game deserves to be in the core set. Desert Twister - While I love Vindicate, I have enough copies of it to know how insane it really is. This card is high-costed, unlike Vindicate, but the effect is still powerful either way, and sees plenty of play at kitchen tables. A lot more fun than the Creeping Mold that they keep reprinting for some reason. Fire Imp - FTK's little brother isn't as powerful as FTK, but still quite an interesting card. He hasn't been printed outside of Portal, to boot. Ghostly Prison - White Propaganda is great, and I really don't know why they haven't reprinted this yet. Windborn Muse, while good, is a lot easier to kill than an enchantment. All Sun's Dawn - I've always loved this card, and it would go great with all the multicolor stuff going on in the current block. Mind's Eye - This card is pure casual gold. Prosperity - This is a decent combo card, but it hasn't been around in quite a while. I'd love to see it broken again in a completely different way. Ivory Tower - Quite a solid card, but I highly doubt it'll be anywhere near as good as it was back when it was legal. Harrow - I'd love to see land fetch this strong legal again, but I know this one is simply not going to happen.
Most of the other cards I really want simply aren't going to happen and I know it. I really wish Regrowth could get off the restricted list so it can get reprinted already. Recollect just isn't the same...
What does multicolor have to do with anything at all?
DSC could easily be reprinted, but probably not at mythic
Yeah because there is nothing mythic about an 11/11 indestructible trampler.
The arrangement of mythics has yet to follow a rigid pattern, and I don't expect it to in 11th. The set would suffer as a result.
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That same week, the Eighth team decided to pull Crop Rotation for two good reasons. One, it was the only card in the set that required an additional cost when playing it. Two, some R&D members felt that we shouldn't reprint cards that are restricted in Type 1 in the Core Set no matter how innocuous they might seem out of context, just to avoid sending mixed signals to our players. By restricting Crop Rotation, we are claiming that the card is too powerful, but by reintroducing it to Standard we would be saying that it wasn't, in fact, too powerful at all. Best to leave it out.
It's an exceedingly dated article, but they still haven't broken that rule, so I'd say it's safe to assume that any card restricted in vintage won't be reprinted in a core set. Obviously, the rules in Magic are frequently broken, but I don't see how things have changed any since that article was written on this subject. Otherwise I suspect they would have already reprinted Regrowth. I highly doubt it would be a problem in Standard at all.
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This is really true, especially for the second part ... a lot of cards in Reserve list is not so powerful, lot of them could have a great impact in standard, without being broken.
Another consideration of mine about power level cards, If I had some of them I will not be angry if they reprint them, because old ones have always their legacy fashion and people who play legacy will always prefer the old ones, even if more expensive.
(me too, I have always preferred to play with older cards, even if there are other reprinted or with same effects)
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And yes, not every card on the reserve list WAS overpowered, but are you honestly telling me that you think they tossed most of the cards that they did from the Urza block on there to make collectors happy? No, it was the stuff that killed standard that went on there.
My points are still valid in the end, although not all encompassing.
There, I said it. The Skull was definitely responsible for one of the darkest times in Magic, but I honestly think in Today's Standard it would be fine. Powerful still, but nothing like it was. Necro's power back during the Black Summer was largely a result of Ivory Tower, Dark Ritual, and the restriction of Black Vise. Without the support cards I think Necro would be quite a surprise. There's also no Donate and Illusions of Grandeur to abuse.
Necropotence would inject a lot of... well, life into black, which has really been suffering these recent sets.
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yeah here is the "secret list"
ready?
1. Mana Drain
2. FoW
3. Balance
4. Necropotence
I was never saying balance needs to see print. You said "it needs to be put on the list" and i said "no that can't happen, here are the rules". You said "but, but __________ (i want to argue)." If you would have been like "oh, those are the rules. Cool." then we would both have like 20 posts less on our post count.
Again i never said they would print it again, just that it cant get put on the list.
shhheesh
So yes, there are cards that are blacklisted that aren't on the reserve list, as it wasn't made for power levels alone. (Especially towards the end)
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Not so much anymore.
I'm going to use mod text to drive this point heavily into the ground:
Core Sets are no longer beginner sets with tons of reminder texts and cards that are 'simple'.
Intro packs are for beginners. Everything else is for everyone else.
This was stated in the set size article that MaRo wrote. The one that stated 11th will be the size of shards, mythics and all.
Colossus fits into 11th like a glove. Chase mythic, 11foran11/11in11th, etc.
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And Torec, I really doubt they're going to include Exalted Angel in 11th. A singleton (or even just a small handful of) morph card(s) in the format would cause some problems, especially with newer players. The new core sets aren't begginner sets anymore, but morph was a fairly complicated mechanic (not using the stack, being a colorless 2/2 creature with no CMC, etc, etc) and could easily confuse newer players at FNM's.
That being said, I love the Skull as much as the next player who sported their Necro decks back in the day and would be happy to see it get reprinted. It's just so unlikely and probably too much of a bad idea to be feasible.
they also tried to fix it with Yawgmoth's Bargain" target="blank">Yawgmoth's Bargain and even at 6 mana x life for x for cards is broken
Black seems fine. Blood Moon will not be reprinted at mythic, nor will Char be an uncommon (Moon because there's nothing mythic about it, Char because at uncommon it would be stupid in limited). Blue seems fine. Witness is not getting reprinted; it's way, way, way over the curve. STE is awesome and should be back. You won't see Exalted Angel because you really can't reprint morph creatures in sets without having a bunch of other morphs; otherwise, everyone will know what it is when you drop it facedown. Prison and Fetters are fine, not sure on the rarities. Colossus is fine, Wargear might be a tad strong, but is probably passable. The only multi of your list that could possibly show up is Recoil, and even that I doubt. With the exception of the Lorwyn walkers, none of the things you've mentioned for mythics will ever be printed as mythics.
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Can people stop listing cards on the reserved list here's the link because honestly whenever I see people wanting unprintable cards reprinted it drives me insane
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Article.aspx?x=magic/products/reprintpolicy
Yeah bargain was even better than necropotence because the effect was INSTANT DRAW AND NOT DELAYED like necropotence is. Necropotence is just way too good to see print especially if they reprint spellbook but you don't even need that there's reliquary tower which is spellbook in land form.
God please don't reprint crazy good eternal/extended cards...it just drives the price up too much and really makes extended and the eternal formats even more expensive which I would hate personally and probably a lot of other legacy players also.
Powder keg is unprintable wow didn't realize that...
As for engineered explosives...if you want 5 color control to completely stomp over everything reprint this card. It'd probably drive the price up even more to about 25 or 30 just such a good card just crazy
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15 Mythics =/= 3 slots for each color. We can't exactly look at Shards to see what the Core will look like, but that should give an idea and there is a precedent for mythic artifacts
I know it's a common, but it's the only 10th card I'm running in one of my decks and I'd hate to start looking for replacements. Though tribe-elder being reprinted instead is cool too
15/5 = 3 slots for each color.
Unless they're going put five colorless cards at mythic(not likely)
I think Rampant Growth is likely to be reprinted. I don't want to see tribe elder back, I hate how meta changing it is.
You don't know that anymore than I know that 3 of those slots will be multicolored. As easy as your math is, you cannot rule out artifacts.
So, given that, I want to see White boosted in Extended. Its by FAR the worst color in that format.
Here's the list of cool creative semi-realistic stuff I want for each color:
White-
Cataclysm (should be interesting)
Orim's Chant (probably won't happen because of kicker but..)
Mother of Runes
Replenish
I would like to see Decree of Justice stay in the format, but again its got cycling and would be a bit weird without reprinting the whole cycle.
Blue-
Upheaval
Stifle
Predict (fine without top)
Careful Consideration (card drawing should NOT be better than this anymore IMO)
Red-
Ball Lightning
Firestorm
Goblin Welder (go go go)
Char
Ruination (....... just kidding)
Green-
Sakura-Tribe Elder
Exploration (maybe not given Extended... fine in Standard)
Wild Mongrel
Argothian Enchantress (might make g/w enchantress possible in extended)
Black-
Carnophage
Doomsday
Cabal Therapy (YES)
Recurring Nightmare
Artifacts-
Cursed Scroll (weee)
Ankh of Mishra
Crumbling Sanctuary
Ensnaring Bridge
Scroll Rack
Basically, kick blue in the crotch since its Always the Best F'ing Color And Its Getting Annoying while giving the other colors lots of fun tools to play with.
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How about a few cards that are just fun, not overpowered to dominate the tournament scene:
Darksteel Colossus - All the people suggesting this are right, I hope. I've always loved this guy, and mythic rarity would keep his secondary market value stable through a reprint. One of the best fatties in the game deserves to be in the core set.
Desert Twister - While I love Vindicate, I have enough copies of it to know how insane it really is. This card is high-costed, unlike Vindicate, but the effect is still powerful either way, and sees plenty of play at kitchen tables. A lot more fun than the Creeping Mold that they keep reprinting for some reason.
Fire Imp - FTK's little brother isn't as powerful as FTK, but still quite an interesting card. He hasn't been printed outside of Portal, to boot.
Ghostly Prison - White Propaganda is great, and I really don't know why they haven't reprinted this yet. Windborn Muse, while good, is a lot easier to kill than an enchantment.
All Sun's Dawn - I've always loved this card, and it would go great with all the multicolor stuff going on in the current block.
Mind's Eye - This card is pure casual gold.
Prosperity - This is a decent combo card, but it hasn't been around in quite a while. I'd love to see it broken again in a completely different way.
Ivory Tower - Quite a solid card, but I highly doubt it'll be anywhere near as good as it was back when it was legal.
Harrow - I'd love to see land fetch this strong legal again, but I know this one is simply not going to happen.
Most of the other cards I really want simply aren't going to happen and I know it. I really wish Regrowth could get off the restricted list so it can get reprinted already. Recollect just isn't the same...
What does multicolor have to do with anything at all?
DSC could easily be reprinted, but probably not at mythic
that does not have anything to do with it not being printed again.
Yeah because there is nothing mythic about an 11/11 indestructible trampler.
The arrangement of mythics has yet to follow a rigid pattern, and I don't expect it to in 11th. The set would suffer as a result.
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They possibly would have reprinted Crop Rotation in 8th if it wasn't restricted.
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/feature/179
It's an exceedingly dated article, but they still haven't broken that rule, so I'd say it's safe to assume that any card restricted in vintage won't be reprinted in a core set. Obviously, the rules in Magic are frequently broken, but I don't see how things have changed any since that article was written on this subject. Otherwise I suspect they would have already reprinted Regrowth. I highly doubt it would be a problem in Standard at all.