This sir, is crap. I am in the process of building a Legacy deck that is costing me a pretty penny, if this happens, I just might have to quite Magic for the second time.:o
Legacy as a DCI rules format will likely stay. However, WotC rarely supported Legacy officially in their Pro Tour tournament circuit and never officially supported it in Friday Night Magic. This does not prevent other tournament organizers from running their own organized events, such as the Star City Games Open Series. From what I can tell, however, these events are non-sanctioned, so your wins and losses are not part of your DCI rating.
What people are speculating is that Overextended would become an eternal format that WotC could officially sanction and support, since the cards in this format are not on the Reserved List and can be reprinted at any time. If that happens, some people may abandon their cards used in Vintage and Legacy to play in the new format (i.e. if WotC supports it officially and runs lots of sanctioned tournaments, people will be more likely to play).
Of course, this is all speculation right now, since WotC has not made any official comment about this format. They have only announced changes to the Extended format.
Let me get this straight. Is everyone here suggesting that this new format, super-extended will be taking the place of Legacy? If it is that is just gonna blow, hard! Please someone, give me some feedback on this.
My impressive skills at prediction predicts legacy will stay as it is!
This sir, is crap. I am in the process of building a Legacy deck that is costing me a pretty penny, if this happens, I just might have to quite Magic for the second time.:o
No one need fear that a new format would replace Legacy. As stated before by many people including myself, it is far more likely that it would replace Vintage as an Eternal format. Vintage is about as dead as a DCI-Sanctioned format can get at this point. With a dwindling player base, a lack of serious innovation, and no sanctioned or widely publicized events, even the most optimistic Vintage players must be unhappy.
Legacy, on the other hand, is an excellent format with widespread participation. Wizards would be committing publicity suicide if it killed the format, or harmed it in any way, to bring in some newfangled "Over Extended" brainchild. Adding insult to injury, they would keep the ailing Vintage format. This would be an incredibly bad idea, and it is one that Wizards is unlikely to make; say what you will about them, but their marketing is pretty sound.
Legacy is going nowhere. It is the successor to Vintage, the Eternal format where you can play any card that you want, except for those that are too degenerate and abused. It has diverse Tier 1 decks, and its Tier 2 decks are all viable contenders. It has innovative players and inventive deck builders. It has big name tournaments and small town followers. This is the recipe for a robust format, and Wizards is not going to mess with it.
But the jump from the new Extended to the current Legacy is just too big. 3-4 years of sets leaping to 17 years? That's an intense jump-off point with nothing in between. Moreover, for those that collected and played decks in the interim years between 2008 and 2000, a lot of cards are gathering dust in binders across the world. Lin-Sivvi, Fires of Yavimaya, Astral Slide, Buried Alive, Pernicious Deed, Psychatog, Opposition, Balancing Act, etc; these are strong cards that have not really been obsoleted with time, but just lack the competitive edge in Legacy (with FoW and Wasteland messing things up, for instance).
A new format gives an alternative to players and investing players between those years. Take a card like Chrome Mox. It's a great card and a powerful accelerator, but nothing in Legacy uses it, and it isn't legal in any other format (Except the dying Vintage format). For people who invested in cards like that, players specifically, they would have a place to call home. At the risk of speculating, this is a large demographic.
not sure if it was mentioned, but I envisioned them modifying legacy by banning all cards on the reserved list from it, that's it. Pretty simple solution, and the "collectors" get what they want, which is a bunch of rare cards than nobody will ever use because they will be 0 demand for them. THEN maybe they will be able to abolish this stupid reserve list, and reprint them in 2-3 years.
Naturally, those players attempt to move into a more ''classic'' based enviroment, but are generally plagued by the monetary costs of not being able to compete without having to decide between redecorating little Jimmy/Sally's room now she's older, or buying a handfull of cardboard.
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With a Masques+ format (Over-Extended/Classic/Masters/Whatever), the card pool would be more balanced (Goodbye over powered insanity of the early blocks), with the ability to reprint staples (remember that Reserve List issue). It would also mean that Kirk F.Palm no longer has to decide between a new car, and a new play set of cards (and an argument with Mrs Palm), as he can just pick up his old deck and go. He might not be winning any tournaments, or be the next Pro Tour deck master, but he can play, and have fun.
Emphasis mine. It really looks like you're creating a false dilemma here. In the first paragraph I quoted, you say that someone cannot compete in Legacy due to costs. In the second paragraph, you say that someone can play in OverExtended and have fun, even if they are not competitive. You're comparing two different things unfairly.
If you want to talk casual games, then casual Legacy would be easier to get into than casual OverExtended. Why? Because almost every card you have can be played in casual Legacy. In OverExtended, there would be about 6 or more years worth of cards you can't use, including a number of casual favorites from the old sets.
If you want to talk competitive games, what do you think would happen to the price of the OverExtended power cards if the format caught on? Three years ago, Lion's Eye Diamond was worth around $8. Now it is $30 or more. Many of the most played Legacy cards have been increasing in value during the past few years. Legacy is becoming more popular and the prices are reflecting that. You can expect the same to happen to cards in an OverExtended format. Actually, if you followed the Market Street area of this site, you'd know that dealers and speculators were already buying up cheap cards in anticipation of a price increase due to the expected format.
The fact that there is no reserve list will not prevent prices from increasing. Nor will it guarantee that WotC will reprint the expensive cards in the format. Force of Will is not on the reserved list and it is one of the most used spells in Legacy. It is also more expensive than several dual lands, yet it has not been reprinted. Maybe it will be, maybe it won't. But the fact that it has not been reprinted now should show you that WotC doesn't necessarily want to keep prices at any certain level.
Besides, reprinting a single card would hardly make an entire format that much more accessible. There would likely have to be several reprints to really make a difference. Where would these reprints take place? In Standard sets? Not likely. In dual decks and special releases? Perhaps. But how would these be handled? Whenever a card hits a certain value, it gets reprinted? Keep in mind being in print doesn't necessarily mean that a card will be cheap. Look at Standard now. We've got cards like Jace, Gideon, Baneslayer, and Elspeth that have all hit $40 or more at some point. You can pull any of these from a pack from almost any Magic shop in the World, yet they cost more than many Legacy staples. It's just not accurate to think that a new format would be guaranteed to be cheaper than any current format. There will be budget decks in any format, but the high end decks will still likely be among the most expensive.
It also means if he pops down to the corner shop and decides to buy a booster/deck/duel deck/whatever, all those cards are instantly viable in any deck he wants to play, as are all those cards "gathering dust in binders across the world. Lin-Sivvi, Fires of Yavimaya, Astral Slide, Buried Alive, Pernicious Deed, Psychatog, Opposition, Balancing Act, etc - Ktkenshinx). It also means, all those peoples pet decks from the 'new' Extended have somewhere to casually migrate to without running into a format where theyve lost the game on turn 2 (after they just managed to get their second land <3).
Again, you're comparing casual OverExtended to competitive Legacy. You can play all the cards you just mentioned in casual Legacy just like you could in casual OverExtended. (By the way, turn 2 wins don't happen too often except in the really fast combo decks, which just took a pretty major hit when Mystical Tutor was banned.)
Vintage: This may as well just be Legacy with no rules other than those in the Comp Rules book. (Basically, anyone playing this should be dressed as Urza, Yawgmoth, Merlin or own their own personnel Death Star).
I don't even know what you are trying to say here.
Trying to replace Legacy would be a huge blow against their older fans a lot of which still buy product and support the game.
It's been mentioned before that Wizards probably thinks the older fans do not buy as much product as new and casual players. I can see why WotC official support has been on Standard and Extended, since those formats still sell booster packs (whether bought by players or by vendors who open them to sell singles)
If WotC replaces Legacy/Vintage with "Overextended," they will have a format where they can reprint cards when they want to, which would likely increase sales.
It's been mentioned before that Wizards probably thinks the older fans do not buy as much product as new and casual players. I can see why WotC official support has been on Standard and Extended, since those formats still sell booster packs (whether bought by players or by vendors who open them to sell singles)
If WotC replaces Legacy/Vintage with "Overextended," they will have a format where they can reprint cards when they want to, which would likely increase sales.
Yikes. Another person who suggest that Wizards would replace Legacy with a new format. That would be so incredibly stupid that not even the most ardent hater of Wizards' policy would think that this company could do it, at least if they consider Wizards as a fairly rational agent. While Legacy provides Wizards with less money than Standard, it gives them a huge and loyal base of players who aren't going anywhere. They are not going to alienate these people just to experiment with a new format.
Now, Vintage is another story (as I have said before). This format might get cut and brought to the land of EDH and independent TO's in favor of a New Eternal Format.
All of that said, Wizards would certainly gain a lot by making a new format like this. Reprinting cards in premium and FTV sets would drive popularity, and Wizards could make sure that old players are brought back with promises that their old investments will again see the light of day.
Yikes. Another person who suggest that Wizards would replace Legacy with a new format. That would be so incredibly stupid that not even the most ardent hater of Wizards' policy would think that this company could do it, at least if they consider Wizards as a fairly rational agent. While Legacy provides Wizards with less money than Standard, it gives them a huge and loyal base of players who aren't going anywhere. They are not going to alienate these people just to experiment with a new format.
Everything I've read about Wizards' game design of late (creation of mythic rarity, preference of creature combat, more balanced cards, slowing the game down, less non-creature combo, more interactive games) seems to indicate a push to make the game accessible to the majority, which are more casual players. I still believe those casual players bring in the most income for Wizards, not the dedicated players.
Based on these actions, I would not be surprised if Wizards replaced Legacy with a new Eternal Format. The new Eternal Format (Mercadian Masques or Invasion block to present) is not subject to the now-ironclad Reserved List policy, so Wizards can print more cards to sell. If they can print more cards to sell, they can reasonably sustain the format, which means they can run sanctioned tournaments for it. If they can run sanctioned tournaments for the format, I think they are hypothesizing increased card sales and player turnout.
I think Legacy got a huge boost in popularity, only because Star City Games is running a tournament series. This series, however, is not sanctioned by Wizards to my knowledge (i.e. your wins/losses don't got towards your DCI ratings). Again, the Reserved List makes it impossible now to reprint any Legacy staples, so the format cannot grow. With each new expansion, only a few cards are good enough to make it into Legacy format, so that will not sell many cards for Wizards.
I really think the dedicated player population is not as large or influential as we like it to be. Even with the new Eternal format, Legacy can still be played. Like you said, TOs can still run unsanctioned events for Vintage and Legacy. Collectors get to keep their out of print Legacy cards. which still retain value.
I just think Wizards would stand to do well with a new Eternal format.
-The format would be without many of the broken cards.
-It would have most of the modern card design philosophies
-It would be more likely creature-oriented since the strong spells of old do not exist in this format.
-It would slow the game down. Chances of a win in 2 turns or less happen less frequently. Other "fast" decks get slowed down a little.
-Mana screw is less harmful, since you have a few more turns to get the deck going.
-Games could get to turn 6+. In Legacy, most decks seem designed to win in less than 6 turns.
If I look at those factors, the game is "fun" (at least the way I think Wizards is attempting). Yet within this "fun" there is still room for competition and innovative decks.
Wizards have done supposedly "stupid" things before (creation of mythic rarity, announcing changes last-minute, etc.), so why not again?
Just read the reprint policy. Interesting that is says "A previous version of this policy allowed premium versions of cards on the reserved list to be printed. Starting in 2011, no cards on the reserved list will be printed in either premium or non-premium form." So maybe they will reprint a premium version of the dual lands before then. I can dream, can't I?
Thats because it wasn't economically viable. Think about the prices of Legacy staples without a PT or GP or anything attached. Then think what those prices would hit if PT Amsterdam was Legacy instead of Double Standard. There just aren't enough of the cards on the reserve list to make it viable for a tournament like a PT.
Thats why the new eternal format is rumoured to have been conceived. If they pick Masques as the start, there would be more of the staples, for the simple fact that those sets had bigger print runs than the early sets, and they can reprint the staples of it whenever they need to, meaning that they can guarantee enough of a card in circulation to make it a viable PT/GP format without decks breaking the 2K mark.
I actually did state this in a later post. I was trying to tell another person that because of the reasons you stated, Wizards had a compelling reason to start this new Eternal format. Good to know that there are people all thinking the same thing.
Well basically they will just piss off a ton of players if they remove the old formats. I think they will still do parse support of Legacy, Vintage will remain the fringe format it always has been.
Obviously Legacy can not accommodate a ton of players but nearly every player I know who has played the game for more then 7 years actually like Legacy more then the other constructed formats.
Having a tournament supporting Legacy once in a blue moon makes a lot of sense for Wizards to prove that they still support their old cards.
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Pro Tour format: Standard and Booster Draft with a Standard Top 8 Grand Prix format: TBA
Qualifier Season: October 2 through December 31, Sealed Deck format
This is the only GP that still hasn't its format announced and it's one of the first ones.
Also, the rumor about overextended said that first would come a GP during 2011 and if the format catches on, a PT and PTQ in 2012...
Interesting ^^
I really hope they do establish Over-extended as a format. I hope that Early 2011 isn't too soon for a completely new format to be tried in a Grand Prix?
With the success of the new Extended, I don't see this new format happening until Legacy starts to die out. So, in about 3-5 yearsish or so. This format will come someday though.
With the success of the new Extended, I don't see this new format happening until Legacy starts to die out. So, in about 3-5 yearsish or so. This format will come someday though.
Many people including me hope you are wrong. A PT year only playing cards of the last 4 blocks seems kind of boring too.
By the way, next monday it's 20th september and they could announce overextended. If they don't, we can almost say that the rumor was false because the next chance would be in december and that would be too late...
Many people including me hope you are wrong. A PT year only playing cards of the last 4 blocks seems kind of boring too.
You should actually play around in new extended for a while before you criticize it. There are tons of viable decks, it has a healthy metagame, and new cards are usable but rotations don't automatically kill existing decks. It's a fun format, it's just something new to get used to.
IMO, an eternal format from mirrodin on or even from onslaught on would be much better than masques. Would be like a modern eternal format, leaving all old bordered cards to vintage and legacy.
Maybe its a crazy idea cuting of so many sets...
That's the first time I've heard of "new borders" on. Mirrodin would have to have some bans in that format.
I always favored Invasion forward since that's when they really started to define the color pie. The broken stuff (and lame stuff) from Masques would be out, and the field would be wide open.
As long as it were balanced I could see playing your format.
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the only "rumor" (quote unquote) we've heard was from people on this forum talking about it like it was fact. iirc, we haven't had one official announcement about an overextended. in fact, i think the only official word was wotc saying they wanted to fix the least fun format, not add another one, hence we get new extended.
I'm going on record right now and stating that before the end of 2012 we will see foil dual lands in booster packs (The real, Alpha dual lands). You can quote me on that.
The 'new-old' extended should work by a rule of fours as well. Namely, it should encompass the four years of sets previous to the current new extended (like, for instance, starting October 1, from Onslaught all the way to Time Spiral). Every time a set exits new extended is enters 'new-old' extended (and the oldest set in 'new-old' goes away-away). It would give a needed (IMHO) symmetry to set rotation.
The best thing about the new format is that it would never rotate. Old extended was a very good format once and many people liked it. But then came the 1-year rotations. Every year you had to change your deck. This made people leave Extended and join Legacy. This is why Legacy staples got their price so high, the Old Extended crowd joined Legacy when they introduced the 1-year rotations. People don't like rotations when they play with old cards.
Well, no, not really. Artifact lands (6), DotV (1), AEther Vial (1), Skullclamp (1) and Entomb (if they wanted) (1). That amounts to 10 cards, a fifth of what you suggested.
Lol, artifact lands would never be banned. DotV? Maybe. Aether vial probably too but would need testing. The decks that would benefit the most would be goblins and merfolk. Merfolk with vial and standstill could be too good but it could turn out to be balanced. Skullclamp? Ban. Emtomb? no need to ban, there are no good reanimation spells.
I would prefer invasion forward because I think dark ritual and brainstorm (that come with masques) should be banned anyway. That would leave very few good cards from MM. Rishadan port and Daze for example.
We already have 2 formats that rotate, std and new extended. And the only eternal format we have will just die because of the reserved list.
brings new players who don't want to buy cards exclusively for a single format
In a rotating format you have to continuously spend money on new cards. In eternal, you only buy new cards because they are replacements to the ones you already play in your deck or because you just want to make a new deck. The new rumored format would be a lot cheaper than standard and extended.
Dark ritual shouldn't be banned are you guys out of your freaking mind? Storm as an archetype would be lacking quite a few key pieces if it were masques forward for example:
Lotus Petal Lion's Eye Diamond
Ill-Gotten Gains
People who think affinity is broken....its not. In legacy the deck ravager affinity is tier 4.5. Artifact lands wouldn't get banned disciple wouldn't get banned and ravager wouldn't get banned. Aether vial is a huge maybe. Sensei's divining top is a maybe too; its still legal in legacy after all. Tarmogoyf won't get banned for obvious reasons.
Brainstorm is the best spell in legacy. It is quite good for getting card quality, not card advantage otherwise it would be banned for sure.
Why would they make a ravnica starting onward format? It would be an exact replica of the old extended and we all know how that went. Thopter depths all over again.
As for non rotating formats becoming stagnant, I disagree. Legacy is the best format in tournament play because when you play 6 rounds of it you face 6 different decks quite often. It is very diverse when you have the entire card pool at your disposal. In 2008 countertop was the dominant deck. In 2009 the format was in constant flux with zoo coming out on top with other decks competing for supremacy all the time. The dust has yet to fully settle from the mystical tutor ban but the format right now is still very diverse.
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Legacy as a DCI rules format will likely stay. However, WotC rarely supported Legacy officially in their Pro Tour tournament circuit and never officially supported it in Friday Night Magic. This does not prevent other tournament organizers from running their own organized events, such as the Star City Games Open Series. From what I can tell, however, these events are non-sanctioned, so your wins and losses are not part of your DCI rating.
What people are speculating is that Overextended would become an eternal format that WotC could officially sanction and support, since the cards in this format are not on the Reserved List and can be reprinted at any time. If that happens, some people may abandon their cards used in Vintage and Legacy to play in the new format (i.e. if WotC supports it officially and runs lots of sanctioned tournaments, people will be more likely to play).
Of course, this is all speculation right now, since WotC has not made any official comment about this format. They have only announced changes to the Extended format.
My impressive skills at prediction predicts legacy will stay as it is!
No one need fear that a new format would replace Legacy. As stated before by many people including myself, it is far more likely that it would replace Vintage as an Eternal format. Vintage is about as dead as a DCI-Sanctioned format can get at this point. With a dwindling player base, a lack of serious innovation, and no sanctioned or widely publicized events, even the most optimistic Vintage players must be unhappy.
Legacy, on the other hand, is an excellent format with widespread participation. Wizards would be committing publicity suicide if it killed the format, or harmed it in any way, to bring in some newfangled "Over Extended" brainchild. Adding insult to injury, they would keep the ailing Vintage format. This would be an incredibly bad idea, and it is one that Wizards is unlikely to make; say what you will about them, but their marketing is pretty sound.
Legacy is going nowhere. It is the successor to Vintage, the Eternal format where you can play any card that you want, except for those that are too degenerate and abused. It has diverse Tier 1 decks, and its Tier 2 decks are all viable contenders. It has innovative players and inventive deck builders. It has big name tournaments and small town followers. This is the recipe for a robust format, and Wizards is not going to mess with it.
But the jump from the new Extended to the current Legacy is just too big. 3-4 years of sets leaping to 17 years? That's an intense jump-off point with nothing in between. Moreover, for those that collected and played decks in the interim years between 2008 and 2000, a lot of cards are gathering dust in binders across the world. Lin-Sivvi, Fires of Yavimaya, Astral Slide, Buried Alive, Pernicious Deed, Psychatog, Opposition, Balancing Act, etc; these are strong cards that have not really been obsoleted with time, but just lack the competitive edge in Legacy (with FoW and Wasteland messing things up, for instance).
A new format gives an alternative to players and investing players between those years. Take a card like Chrome Mox. It's a great card and a powerful accelerator, but nothing in Legacy uses it, and it isn't legal in any other format (Except the dying Vintage format). For people who invested in cards like that, players specifically, they would have a place to call home. At the risk of speculating, this is a large demographic.
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Emphasis mine. It really looks like you're creating a false dilemma here. In the first paragraph I quoted, you say that someone cannot compete in Legacy due to costs. In the second paragraph, you say that someone can play in OverExtended and have fun, even if they are not competitive. You're comparing two different things unfairly.
If you want to talk casual games, then casual Legacy would be easier to get into than casual OverExtended. Why? Because almost every card you have can be played in casual Legacy. In OverExtended, there would be about 6 or more years worth of cards you can't use, including a number of casual favorites from the old sets.
If you want to talk competitive games, what do you think would happen to the price of the OverExtended power cards if the format caught on? Three years ago, Lion's Eye Diamond was worth around $8. Now it is $30 or more. Many of the most played Legacy cards have been increasing in value during the past few years. Legacy is becoming more popular and the prices are reflecting that. You can expect the same to happen to cards in an OverExtended format. Actually, if you followed the Market Street area of this site, you'd know that dealers and speculators were already buying up cheap cards in anticipation of a price increase due to the expected format.
The fact that there is no reserve list will not prevent prices from increasing. Nor will it guarantee that WotC will reprint the expensive cards in the format. Force of Will is not on the reserved list and it is one of the most used spells in Legacy. It is also more expensive than several dual lands, yet it has not been reprinted. Maybe it will be, maybe it won't. But the fact that it has not been reprinted now should show you that WotC doesn't necessarily want to keep prices at any certain level.
Besides, reprinting a single card would hardly make an entire format that much more accessible. There would likely have to be several reprints to really make a difference. Where would these reprints take place? In Standard sets? Not likely. In dual decks and special releases? Perhaps. But how would these be handled? Whenever a card hits a certain value, it gets reprinted? Keep in mind being in print doesn't necessarily mean that a card will be cheap. Look at Standard now. We've got cards like Jace, Gideon, Baneslayer, and Elspeth that have all hit $40 or more at some point. You can pull any of these from a pack from almost any Magic shop in the World, yet they cost more than many Legacy staples. It's just not accurate to think that a new format would be guaranteed to be cheaper than any current format. There will be budget decks in any format, but the high end decks will still likely be among the most expensive.
Again, you're comparing casual OverExtended to competitive Legacy. You can play all the cards you just mentioned in casual Legacy just like you could in casual OverExtended. (By the way, turn 2 wins don't happen too often except in the really fast combo decks, which just took a pretty major hit when Mystical Tutor was banned.)
I don't even know what you are trying to say here.
Tabernacle which was like 35 bucks in 2004 is now worth like 400% more then that now, The card only has uses in Vintage/legacy.
Having probably more use in Legacy with creature beats being a bit more common.
Trying to replace Legacy would be a huge blow against their older fans a lot of which still buy product and support the game.
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It's been mentioned before that Wizards probably thinks the older fans do not buy as much product as new and casual players. I can see why WotC official support has been on Standard and Extended, since those formats still sell booster packs (whether bought by players or by vendors who open them to sell singles)
If WotC replaces Legacy/Vintage with "Overextended," they will have a format where they can reprint cards when they want to, which would likely increase sales.
Yikes. Another person who suggest that Wizards would replace Legacy with a new format. That would be so incredibly stupid that not even the most ardent hater of Wizards' policy would think that this company could do it, at least if they consider Wizards as a fairly rational agent. While Legacy provides Wizards with less money than Standard, it gives them a huge and loyal base of players who aren't going anywhere. They are not going to alienate these people just to experiment with a new format.
Now, Vintage is another story (as I have said before). This format might get cut and brought to the land of EDH and independent TO's in favor of a New Eternal Format.
All of that said, Wizards would certainly gain a lot by making a new format like this. Reprinting cards in premium and FTV sets would drive popularity, and Wizards could make sure that old players are brought back with promises that their old investments will again see the light of day.
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Everything I've read about Wizards' game design of late (creation of mythic rarity, preference of creature combat, more balanced cards, slowing the game down, less non-creature combo, more interactive games) seems to indicate a push to make the game accessible to the majority, which are more casual players. I still believe those casual players bring in the most income for Wizards, not the dedicated players.
Based on these actions, I would not be surprised if Wizards replaced Legacy with a new Eternal Format. The new Eternal Format (Mercadian Masques or Invasion block to present) is not subject to the now-ironclad Reserved List policy, so Wizards can print more cards to sell. If they can print more cards to sell, they can reasonably sustain the format, which means they can run sanctioned tournaments for it. If they can run sanctioned tournaments for the format, I think they are hypothesizing increased card sales and player turnout.
I think Legacy got a huge boost in popularity, only because Star City Games is running a tournament series. This series, however, is not sanctioned by Wizards to my knowledge (i.e. your wins/losses don't got towards your DCI ratings). Again, the Reserved List makes it impossible now to reprint any Legacy staples, so the format cannot grow. With each new expansion, only a few cards are good enough to make it into Legacy format, so that will not sell many cards for Wizards.
I really think the dedicated player population is not as large or influential as we like it to be. Even with the new Eternal format, Legacy can still be played. Like you said, TOs can still run unsanctioned events for Vintage and Legacy. Collectors get to keep their out of print Legacy cards. which still retain value.
I just think Wizards would stand to do well with a new Eternal format.
-The format would be without many of the broken cards.
-It would have most of the modern card design philosophies
-It would be more likely creature-oriented since the strong spells of old do not exist in this format.
-It would slow the game down. Chances of a win in 2 turns or less happen less frequently. Other "fast" decks get slowed down a little.
-Mana screw is less harmful, since you have a few more turns to get the deck going.
-Games could get to turn 6+. In Legacy, most decks seem designed to win in less than 6 turns.
If I look at those factors, the game is "fun" (at least the way I think Wizards is attempting). Yet within this "fun" there is still room for competition and innovative decks.
Wizards have done supposedly "stupid" things before (creation of mythic rarity, announcing changes last-minute, etc.), so why not again?
I actually did state this in a later post. I was trying to tell another person that because of the reasons you stated, Wizards had a compelling reason to start this new Eternal format. Good to know that there are people all thinking the same thing.
Obviously Legacy can not accommodate a ton of players but nearly every player I know who has played the game for more then 7 years actually like Legacy more then the other constructed formats.
Having a tournament supporting Legacy once in a blue moon makes a lot of sense for Wizards to prove that they still support their old cards.
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This is the only GP that still hasn't its format announced and it's one of the first ones.
Also, the rumor about overextended said that first would come a GP during 2011 and if the format catches on, a PT and PTQ in 2012...
I really hope they do establish Over-extended as a format. I hope that Early 2011 isn't too soon for a completely new format to be tried in a Grand Prix?
Many people including me hope you are wrong. A PT year only playing cards of the last 4 blocks seems kind of boring too.
You should actually play around in new extended for a while before you criticize it. There are tons of viable decks, it has a healthy metagame, and new cards are usable but rotations don't automatically kill existing decks. It's a fun format, it's just something new to get used to.
That's the first time I've heard of "new borders" on. Mirrodin would have to have some bans in that format.
I always favored Invasion forward since that's when they really started to define the color pie. The broken stuff (and lame stuff) from Masques would be out, and the field would be wide open.
As long as it were balanced I could see playing your format.
the only "rumor" (quote unquote) we've heard was from people on this forum talking about it like it was fact. iirc, we haven't had one official announcement about an overextended. in fact, i think the only official word was wotc saying they wanted to fix the least fun format, not add another one, hence we get new extended.
The best thing about the new format is that it would never rotate. Old extended was a very good format once and many people liked it. But then came the 1-year rotations. Every year you had to change your deck. This made people leave Extended and join Legacy. This is why Legacy staples got their price so high, the Old Extended crowd joined Legacy when they introduced the 1-year rotations. People don't like rotations when they play with old cards.
Lol, artifact lands would never be banned. DotV? Maybe. Aether vial probably too but would need testing. The decks that would benefit the most would be goblins and merfolk. Merfolk with vial and standstill could be too good but it could turn out to be balanced. Skullclamp? Ban. Emtomb? no need to ban, there are no good reanimation spells.
I would prefer invasion forward because I think dark ritual and brainstorm (that come with masques) should be banned anyway. That would leave very few good cards from MM. Rishadan port and Daze for example.
In a rotating format you have to continuously spend money on new cards. In eternal, you only buy new cards because they are replacements to the ones you already play in your deck or because you just want to make a new deck. The new rumored format would be a lot cheaper than standard and extended.
Brainstorm + fetchlands = ancestral recall
There is many people that think that it should be banned in legacy too.
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People who think affinity is broken....its not. In legacy the deck ravager affinity is tier 4.5. Artifact lands wouldn't get banned disciple wouldn't get banned and ravager wouldn't get banned. Aether vial is a huge maybe. Sensei's divining top is a maybe too; its still legal in legacy after all. Tarmogoyf won't get banned for obvious reasons.
Brainstorm is the best spell in legacy. It is quite good for getting card quality, not card advantage otherwise it would be banned for sure.
Why would they make a ravnica starting onward format? It would be an exact replica of the old extended and we all know how that went. Thopter depths all over again.
As for non rotating formats becoming stagnant, I disagree. Legacy is the best format in tournament play because when you play 6 rounds of it you face 6 different decks quite often. It is very diverse when you have the entire card pool at your disposal. In 2008 countertop was the dominant deck. In 2009 the format was in constant flux with zoo coming out on top with other decks competing for supremacy all the time. The dust has yet to fully settle from the mystical tutor ban but the format right now is still very diverse.
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