This time it seems we're only seeing the paruns without the secondary legend. Now considering the popularity of commander, the lack of paruns in the third set, this leaves us with the possibility of 10 new dual colored legend cards.
There has been some speculation about the rise of 4 color nephilim to fill in the "Commander general gaps" as well. However, that seems more unlikely because of the rise in new commander product to actually fix that problem.
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It increasingly looks like the guild champions will appear in the 3rd set, although having 10 legends in one set makes for a quirky environment (imo). Due to that, I can see WoTC leaving out legends in Sinker, but that would not be a wise decision
Thing is, most of the guilds only got one of their pair popular while the other is kinda forgotten.
We remember Nivvie--we don't remember Tibor and Lumia.
We remember Augustus, but Isperia kinda fell by the wayside.
Tolvir? Played. I don't even remember what the parun did.
The only guild I can think of where both the leader and the lieutenant got any sort of recognition was Orzhov.
It's better to get one legend and knock it out of the park than two legends and... eh.
Thing is, most of the guilds only got one of their pair popular while the other is kinda forgotten.
We remember Nivvie--we don't remember Tibor and Lumia.
We remember Augustus, but Isperia kinda fell by the wayside.
Tolvir? Played. I don't even remember what the parun did.
The only guild I can think of where both the leader and the lieutenant got any sort of recognition was Orzhov.
It's better to get one legend and knock it out of the park than two legends and... eh.
Who's Tolvir?
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I'm really hoping for a new Teysa card and a card for Feather in sinker, but for all I know, my money is on a new set of Eldrazi legends for when they start stomping all over the city.
forgive the nitpicking, but technically the only Paruns that are still alive are Niv, Rakdos, and Szadek. Paruns are the original founders of the guilds, not just the Guild Leader.
also, i agree that 10 more guild legends is probably quite a bit for a small set, but given the expectations as well as the popularity of Commander, i wouldn't doubt that we'll see a cycle in Sinker.
forgive the nitpicking, but technically the only Paruns that are still alive are Niv, Rakdos, and Szadek. Paruns are the original founders of the guilds, not just the Guild Leader.
also, i agree that 10 more guild legends is probably quite a bit for a small set, but given the expectations as well as the popularity of Commander, i wouldn't doubt that we'll see a cycle in Sinker.
Technically Szadek is dead (he is a vampire to begin with, so a dead undead?) since Ravinca and was a ghost for quite a while before the mending.
There is still more than enough room for 5 more rares in RtR, so I wouldn't dismiss them yet. Though 10 rare legends in a small set is really a lot to deal with in limited.
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I'm really hoping for a new Teysa card and a card for Feather in sinker, but for all I know, my money is on a new set of Eldrazi legends for when they start stomping all over the city.
Well, the speaker at the WorldBuilding panel said that Return to Ravnica is different than Mirridon Besieged because we are going just several decades after Dissension and no big plane altering events are going to take place.
Thing is, most of the guilds only got one of their pair popular while the other is kinda forgotten.
We remember Nivvie--we don't remember Tibor and Lumia.
We remember Augustus, but Isperia kinda fell by the wayside.
Tolvir? Played. I don't even remember what the parun did.
The only guild I can think of where both the leader and the lieutenant got any sort of recognition was Orzhov.
It's better to get one legend and knock it out of the park than two legends and... eh.
Yes either the Guildmaster or Champion shone during the set. But there are players who played with the other legends because they either liked them, could build around them, or weren't able to the other legend.
I love~ Teysa. I've seen at least three EDH decks with her as the general. So far I haven't seen the Ghost Council used in any format. When I started and jumped to Selesnya for a deck, I used both Tolsimir Wolfblood and Chorus of the Conclave. Tolsimir represents the fighting aspect of the guild, and the Chorus buffed your creatures for paying additional mana. Tibor and Lumia probably didn't see much play because everyone was in love with Niv and Curiosity combo, so who needs to make more fliers when Niv can just kill off an opponent? But they're a great burn duo. And people play Szadek or Circu, both excellent legends of House Dimir. I've never seen either Gruul legend, so I can't say anything about them, nor Azorius. For Boros, I've only faced Kos and not Razia before. From what I've seen, people liked Savra more than Sisters.
So, I am hoping that they do have a Champion cycle, whether they're in the first two or last one because they were so iconic during the original. And it was awesome that you got the Champion in the starter/theme deck.
I can still see the guild leaders having their cards at mythic and then a rare legendary creature serving as the champion of the guild in their respective sets. A tight squeeze but I can't see WotC putting a cycle of 10 in Sinker. Maybe they could make it weird and spread it across all 3 sets. >_> weird yes, but it works!
forgive the nitpicking, but technically the only Paruns that are still alive are Niv, Rakdos, and Szadek. Paruns are the original founders of the guilds, not just the Guild Leader.
also, i agree that 10 more guild legends is probably quite a bit for a small set, but given the expectations as well as the popularity of Commander, i wouldn't doubt that we'll see a cycle in Sinker.
Technically, Szadek is dead, well deader, and no longer on Ravnica.
Also, Mat'Selesnya the Selesnya parun is still alive, but has delegated the guild leadership to younger dryads.
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Szadek is still around, but he's dead. Didn't he get turned into a ghost and is now floating around the ghost city? I don't think we'll see much of him though.
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Szadek is still around, but he's dead. Didn't he get turned into a ghost and is now floating around the ghost city? I don't think we'll see much of him though.
He became the leader of Agyrem.
Out of all of the paruns, the ones that are still around are:
-Szadek
-Mat'Selesnya
-Niv Mizzet
-Rakdos
-possibly Svogthir because we aren't sure if he died
-it is unknown for Orzhov but possibly the Obzedat
-...and technically Razia in Feather since all angels were copies of her.
As for champions coming again in the 3rd set, I really hope they will. I would rather them all be rare rather than mythic though as there are only 10 mythics in the set and each being the champion would kinda suck.
-Szadek - Dead (Agryem is nolonger on ravnica, so even if he's a spirit he's dead)
-Mat'Selesnya - Alive
-Niv Mizzet - Alive
-Rakdos - Alive
-Svogthir - Dead (iirc when savra died, svoggy died too)
-Obzedat (undead, but alive)
-Borbygymos (was he a Parun?) - Alive
Parun of Azorious - Dead (was human?)
Simic Parun - Dead (we dont know who he was, do we?)
Razia - Dead
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Simic Parun - Dead (we dont know who he was, do we?)...
We do know his surname was "Simic" (not his real name, though, just a surname), and that he was a Vedalken Druid.
His current state is, uh, unknown, but it's been hinted that some parts of him are still around, somewhere.
-Szadek - Dead (Agryem is nolonger on ravnica, so even if he's a spirit he's dead)
-Mat'Selesnya - Alive
-Niv Mizzet - Alive
-Rakdos - Alive
-Svogthir - Dead (iirc when savra died, svoggy died too)
-Obzedat (undead, but alive)
-Borbygymos (was he a Parun?) - Alive
Parun of Azorious - Dead (was human?)
Simic Parun - Dead (we dont know who he was, do we?)
Razia - Dead
-Szadek and Agrus Kos are on Agyrem; though Agyrem isn't on Ravnica anymore, they are still around.
-We don't know if Savra's body died. Plus there is a good chance Svogthir could still be around even if her body did die, this is what he does.
-We do not know if the Obzedat are the paruns to Orzhov for sure.
-Borborygmos is young and was not the parun, Cisarzim was the parun (who Svogthir had a part of on his constructed body at one time).
My list above yours already shows who is still around.
Such as: Isperia the Inscrutable and Grand Arbiter Augustin IV, Rakdos the Defiler and Lyzolda, the Blood Witch[/c], Borborygmos and Ulasht, the Hate Seed, and other friendly pairs.
This time it seems we're only seeing the paruns without the secondary legend. Now considering the popularity of commander, the lack of paruns in the third set, this leaves us with the possibility of 10 new dual colored legend cards.
There has been some speculation about the rise of 4 color nephilim to fill in the "Commander general gaps" as well. However, that seems more unlikely because of the rise in new commander product to actually fix that problem.
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10 legends are a lot for a small set that isn't in Kamigawa. I call not gonna happen.
We remember Nivvie--we don't remember Tibor and Lumia.
We remember Augustus, but Isperia kinda fell by the wayside.
Tolvir? Played. I don't even remember what the parun did.
The only guild I can think of where both the leader and the lieutenant got any sort of recognition was Orzhov.
It's better to get one legend and knock it out of the park than two legends and... eh.
Who's Tolvir?
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I think he's referring to Tolsimir Wolfblood (the Selesnya champion).
I'm really hoping for a new Teysa card and a card for Feather in sinker, but for all I know, my money is on a new set of Eldrazi legends for when they start stomping all over the city.
also, i agree that 10 more guild legends is probably quite a bit for a small set, but given the expectations as well as the popularity of Commander, i wouldn't doubt that we'll see a cycle in Sinker.
Technically Szadek is dead (he is a vampire to begin with, so a dead undead?) since Ravinca and was a ghost for quite a while before the mending.
There is still more than enough room for 5 more rares in RtR, so I wouldn't dismiss them yet. Though 10 rare legends in a small set is really a lot to deal with in limited.
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Well, the speaker at the WorldBuilding panel said that Return to Ravnica is different than Mirridon Besieged because we are going just several decades after Dissension and no big plane altering events are going to take place.
Yes either the Guildmaster or Champion shone during the set. But there are players who played with the other legends because they either liked them, could build around them, or weren't able to the other legend.
I love~ Teysa. I've seen at least three EDH decks with her as the general. So far I haven't seen the Ghost Council used in any format. When I started and jumped to Selesnya for a deck, I used both Tolsimir Wolfblood and Chorus of the Conclave. Tolsimir represents the fighting aspect of the guild, and the Chorus buffed your creatures for paying additional mana. Tibor and Lumia probably didn't see much play because everyone was in love with Niv and Curiosity combo, so who needs to make more fliers when Niv can just kill off an opponent? But they're a great burn duo. And people play Szadek or Circu, both excellent legends of House Dimir. I've never seen either Gruul legend, so I can't say anything about them, nor Azorius. For Boros, I've only faced Kos and not Razia before. From what I've seen, people liked Savra more than Sisters.
So, I am hoping that they do have a Champion cycle, whether they're in the first two or last one because they were so iconic during the original. And it was awesome that you got the Champion in the starter/theme deck.
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Technically, Szadek is dead, well deader, and no longer on Ravnica.
Also, Mat'Selesnya the Selesnya parun is still alive, but has delegated the guild leadership to younger dryads.
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He became the leader of Agyrem.
Out of all of the paruns, the ones that are still around are:
-Szadek
-Mat'Selesnya
-Niv Mizzet
-Rakdos
-possibly Svogthir because we aren't sure if he died
-it is unknown for Orzhov but possibly the Obzedat
-...and technically Razia in Feather since all angels were copies of her.
As for champions coming again in the 3rd set, I really hope they will. I would rather them all be rare rather than mythic though as there are only 10 mythics in the set and each being the champion would kinda suck.
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-Mat'Selesnya - Alive
-Niv Mizzet - Alive
-Rakdos - Alive
-Svogthir - Dead (iirc when savra died, svoggy died too)
-Obzedat (undead, but alive)
-Borbygymos (was he a Parun?) - Alive
Parun of Azorious - Dead (was human?)
Simic Parun - Dead (we dont know who he was, do we?)
Razia - Dead
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We do know his surname was "Simic" (not his real name, though, just a surname), and that he was a Vedalken Druid.
His current state is, uh, unknown, but it's been hinted that some parts of him are still around, somewhere.
-Szadek and Agrus Kos are on Agyrem; though Agyrem isn't on Ravnica anymore, they are still around.
-We don't know if Savra's body died. Plus there is a good chance Svogthir could still be around even if her body did die, this is what he does.
-We do not know if the Obzedat are the paruns to Orzhov for sure.
-Borborygmos is young and was not the parun, Cisarzim was the parun (who Svogthir had a part of on his constructed body at one time).
My list above yours already shows who is still around.
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