Here's a viable {archtype} Worldgorger Dragon deck.
My first post will contain a 1st place winning build as always, and from there I'll attach my current Wu Spy build soon.
This deck is strong enough to take serious and fast enough to hose the meta if not done so.
Comments and critism are welcome,
S.M.
Format: Vintage 42 Participants 6 rounds of Swiss - followed by T8 Playoffs
So I'm hearing some buzz about Wu Spy, what's going on with that?
This little Uncommon from Portal 3 kingdoms is a gem taking in what he can provide for the Animate Dead/Woldgorger combo. Wu Spy
If this creature is in play and you start the combo...the game is over through a selective mill proccess. Each time the Wu enters play you'll look at the top 2 cards of their library and choose one to go to the GY and the other going back on top...repeat.
This is a selective proccess because even if your opp has a Gaea's Blessing in their library it'll never be placed into their yard. The last card in the deck will be the Blessing and you'll say go when the combo ends leaving a Oona or another Wu in play through selective milling of your own library completing the final Animate Dead resolve {note that was the worst case picture...they have no blessing then they're TOAST}.
The Perks;
Sometimes you can get lucky with casting the Wu getting the chance to look at the top 2 cards of your library, see a dragon, and pitch it to the yard setting up for a Animate kill.
The little guy is always an option to a FoW, and yes that was one of the things I really enjoyed while testing...Force of Wills were more consistant if I was willing to toss a Wu.
Now the buzz appears to be that there's yet another card in PK3 that clearly has a standout coming into play ability. I must add that many shops are selling out or spiking the current price tags on them. You still can get lucky on Ebay catching them for under $5.00 each {think random auctions, but not from Ebay store dealers}, but other sites like ABU aren't taking the risk and have shot theirs up to $9.99.
I know I was the first guy to go on record with my dragon CONCEPT {yes just drop the Bob's and go out on a limb} via testing, but I can't clearly see the whole picture yet with Wu Spy's as for other archtypes.
He's real solid in dragon {a Old school T-1 Archtype}...but might have some real potential elsewhere too. Example if you don't have a Bazaar of Baghdad online;
Have Wu Spy in play {he's cheap and fast to cast} and Thoughtseize {Read the Runes, Intuition, Thirst or Knowledge ect} yourself dropping a Worldgorger Dragon into your GY, then Animate Dead the dragon {5 ways to do so in the deck} FTW.
S.M.
I'd like to see Squee, Goblin Nabob thrown in there somewhere. I used to run him in Legacy (before gorger got banned obviously). Too much synergy with Bazaar in my opinion.
Will you explain how Worldgorger Dragon blinks Wu Spy for the win? I'm not familiar with this combo. Besides, it would be good for the thread to have a more complete explanation of the strategy.
Will you explain how Worldgorger Dragon blinks Wu Spy for the win? I'm not familiar with this combo. Besides, it would be good for the thread to have a more complete explanation of the strategy.
You Animated Dead (or use some other enchantment to bring him back into play) Worldgorger Dragon; Dragon comes into play, you remove all your permanents from play (they come back untapped).
This combo is infinite, so you can generate as much mana as you would like and have as many comes into play triggers as you would like.
This deck is competitive but suffers splash hate from Ichorid/Dredge decks, the problem is when strong players are bringing in 8 sideboard cards against you it can be difficult to fight thru the hate. I guess I like the deck because game 1 it's fast and resilient, but too graveyard dependent for games 2 & 3.
As to adding Red, there is no need to add any red mana producers as you can simply reanimate him and then restart the loop. Older builds used to use a Red mana source and Kumano, Master Yambushi to deal with problems like Platinum Angel, they would use red mana sources but the 5 color builds would use Gemstone Mine. The counters on the mine would replenish every loop. But if you want to use a pinging creature, there is Triskelion and Triskevalus, both only require colorless mana and are reasonable reanimation targets.
I personally prefer Eternal Witness as your kill condition. Change animate targets, recur another animation, then recur all your counters then deck them using Ancestral over and over, which avoids the issues that most mill decks have against Eldrazi.
Wu Spy is a fine Alternative to this but if they are holding an Eldrazi the recurs their graveyard or draw into one, then it is ineffective.
That's about what I figured. But as far as I can tell, this deck doesn't have the same ability to fight through hate that dredge does, so is there a way to improve its resiliency by adding additional counters, and also maybe add some more disruption such as unmask.
Now that I think about it triskelion would make more sense than adding red since you could tinker it.
The only problem i see with using eternal witness in that manner is that you could very easily give your opponent something to disrupt the combo.
It's a very sneaky deck, and the only problems I've had are when my opp messes with my Gorger while I'm in the proccess of looping. Losing all your perms can really suck, but the deck is still strong enough to get victories.
S.M.
Unmask, or more importantly Duress can both be utilized in WGD decks which are running CoB GSM 5c manabases or UB, the only issue to running these is that they often make running FoW clunky. Since youre already running thoughseize taking up slots for more black spells can be an issue.
TBH im not sure why this deck has changed win conditions so often. The deck seems no faster today than it did several years ago and no more resilient. I feel like this deck falls prey to too many creative minds all wanting to find their own way to win by going infinite (not that the various win conditions dont work, it just seems to dilute things by taking away from actual fine tuning of the deck). I still prefer Eternal Witness recursion for the win condition as well, although having a creature based win condition (such as shivan hellkite or oona) lets you have a secondary animate target for a win condition outside of the combo.
@ Mandy...Squee used to be a staple in WGD and bazaar decks in general.
here is an article I wrote for MTGSalvation (which also made front page at star city games.com) from back in 2005, which talks a bit more about Dragon and Bazaar in general.
has the idea of forgetting force of will in favor of using orim's chant and either silence or more xantid swarms been discussed? in that case you could optionally run more eternal witnesses as well.
using a 5c manabase, splashing white is irrelevent. theres no issues with eternal witness/AR recursion kills because it all just sits in their hands till they lose.
it WILL suck out counters, or it WILL give you a turn to go off unhinged. or if you have multiple "opponent cant play spells this turn" effects in hand(or eternal witness to recur the effect), you may effectively time walk until the combo goes off.
thoughts? i've been playing the deck with 4x force of will and usually, it sucks. you never hard cast it and i rarely want to give up the other blue card or have one to toss period.
lim dul's is another card i find weakish in this deck, im thinking of trading one for imperial seal. great card but im usually looking for one thing or another.
also, i've been running careful study in place of intuition. its a sorcery, yes, but i find my deck is faster to the combo with it.
As far as using creatures with CitP triggers eg: Wu Spy, I think a red splash version could prove useful employing Keldon Marauders, as anti-grindstone hate doesn't really do anything against ping to the dome, and it's still at 2cc creature. Definitely not as versatile as the spy since you can't target yourself to set up a recall/top effect as a tutor but another thought none the less. Not totally sure about how to go about building a red splashed list but could have it's own ups and downs.
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if you splash red might as well go with a 5c mana base.
I had tried Orim's chant in the past and was generally underwhelmed, having to pop it during upkeep and crossing fingers that bazaar draws into something is not really as good as playing first turn xantid and being able to combo out during a 2nd main phase. Orim's generally requires more than one to be drawn. Of course the otherside is that a top decked Orim's is usually better than a top decked Xantid on turn 2 or 3.
The difference between Wu and Keldon is that Wu is also beneficial to our own deck and isnt ONLY a win condition, which imo makes Wu a far superior card for play in Dragon, especially with how easy it is to play outside of the combo. The Wu version would also theorhetically support a better mana base of UB, although of course that depends on what else youre doing with your deck.
im digging orims, and im thinking of sb 3 silence. why? anything thats not control gets stomped by orims/silence. stax is shut down as you get turns of free play plus thoughtseize disruption, aggro just stops anything but direct damage, and combo decks like ad naus have to tap down and waste counters/blue cards to play anything.
against pure control the swarm is better imo.
can i get opinions on careful study vs intuition in dragon?
I pretty much consider all the other versions right now on the scene without the Wu Spy to be casual after the testing I placed in over the course of 6 months.
I can't stand the unstable witness version {it takes more work to hit that combo then the Wu} that shoots blanks 80% of the time, and so far between Oona and the Spy my current version allows for more consistant and yes sneaky victories.
I hope others put my mold together and test for a week or so, if your circle applies more hate by the end of that week;).... enough said, you know it's solid then.
S.M.
if you splash red might as well go with a 5c mana base.
I had tried Orim's chant in the past and was generally underwhelmed, having to pop it during upkeep and crossing fingers that bazaar draws into something is not really as good as playing first turn xantid and being able to combo out during a 2nd main phase. Orim's generally requires more than one to be drawn. Of course the otherside is that a top decked Orim's is usually better than a top decked Xantid on turn 2 or 3.
The difference between Wu and Keldon is that Wu is also beneficial to our own deck and isnt ONLY a win condition, which imo makes Wu a far superior card for play in Dragon, especially with how easy it is to play outside of the combo. The Wu version would also theorhetically support a better mana base of UB, although of course that depends on what else youre doing with your deck.
after further testing, im starting to NOT like wu spy. his contribution to getting the combo off is minimal, his disrupton to the opponent is minimal, in the yard he's equal to eternal witness. im going to keep one copy of him and one eternal witness.
here's a seemingly odd addition my buddy came up with, crucible of worlds. makes my carefull studies and bazaar's much better, makes me want to run mox diamond so i can double time lands onto the feild, fights stax much better. it slices it dices it confuses the opponent. did i mention im running crop rotation and strip mine?
im now going to run a full set of orim's and silence. i like my opponent not playing THAT much. xantid is on the board for control right now but that's iffy.
and the addition im thinking about today is vindicate. the mana cost is high but against trinisphere it's pretty solid.
after further testing, im starting to NOT like wu spy. his contribution to getting the combo off is minimal, his disrupton to the opponent is minimal, in the yard he's equal to eternal witness. im going to keep one copy of him and one eternal witness.
here's a seemingly odd addition my buddy came up with, crucible of worlds. makes my carefull studies and bazaar's much better, makes me want to run mox diamond so i can double time lands onto the feild, fights stax much better. it slices it dices it confuses the opponent. did i mention im running crop rotation and strip mine?
im now going to run a full set of orim's and silence. i like my opponent not playing THAT much. xantid is on the board for control right now but that's iffy.
and the addition im thinking about today is vindicate. the mana cost is high but against trinisphere it's pretty solid.
You're not using the Wu right bud {if you were you would be going infi everytime or would be placing a tech foot}, and it sounds like you're just going to slow this deck down {very bad idea}...leading to some hindering results as for future play. You might get away with your new build at the house, but I strongly doubt seeing that the most recent version didn't even run Wu but still didn't run the wintess either {Wu is now a key option and the white you're adding is a utter joke with regards to todays vintage scene}... and the extra chaff you're tossing in is going to express and highlight those facts I believe very soon for you.
Good luck,
S.M.
You're not using the Wu right bud {if you were you would be going infi everytime or would be placing a tech foot}, and it sounds like you're just going to slow this deck down {very bad idea}...leading to some hindering results as for future play. You might get away with your new build at the house, but I strongly doubt seeing that the most recent version didn't even run Wu but still didn't run the wintess either {Wu is now a key option and the white you're adding is a utter joke with regards to todays vintage scene}... and the extra chaff you're tossing in is going to express and highlight those facts I believe very soon for you.
Good luck,
S.M.
no, the most recent build ran ONE wu, ONE eternal. perhaps i should have a decklist before people can critique it. i went off first turn twice today, off the back of crop rotation, lotus and eternal, second turn is not uncommon. and typically if im not going off early, im silencing the other player or putting pressure on their hand by making them counter to play their turn. or i just lose, straight up, cant topdeck anything cant do crap.
why dont you explain the details of why Wu is so good. i used to run four of, then three, then found i wasnt missing him as i'd rather dig for eternal. he's just my backup incase of E.W. removal. i dont run FOW, i run 5c manabase and silence/orims as my disruption, how is he better then witness?
no, the most recent build ran ONE wu, ONE eternal. perhaps i should have a decklist before people can critique it. i went off first turn twice today, off the back of crop rotation, lotus and eternal, second turn is not uncommon. and typically if im not going off early, im silencing the other player or putting pressure on their hand by making them counter to play their turn. or i just lose, straight up, cant topdeck anything cant do crap.
why dont you explain the details of why Wu is so good. i used to run four of, then three, then found i wasnt missing him as i'd rather dig for eternal. he's just my backup incase of E.W. removal. i dont run FOW, i run 5c manabase and silence/orims as my disruption, how is he better then witness?
How's he better:
You can tap a Bazaar dropping the Wu/Dragon and nothing that matters {this happens 90% of the time anyways} then hit animate and your opp dies for the WIN.
Now with the witness you need to tap the Bazaar dropping the ET/Dragon and something that really matters to manipulate the cycle...you might go off and win.
The difference is the MIGHT, and the part where I say WIN.
Please do show this list you're talking about. I'm predated with my Wu version...it feels so good to be on par.
Oh and I use 3x Wu Spy just to stay consistant, and hell they pitch to a force in the competitive versions...that alone makes the Spy in my eyes a more useful creature.
I hope that helped bud, and please know I'm just trying to shed some light and express my opinion on the topic...15 years of MTG experience doesn't always make me right good member, but it does allow me to share some of my wisdom with regards to the competitive archetypes.
mmk, now wait. you drop wu in the yard. doesnt that mean you'll need TWO animate spells to get him and the dragon in play?
and how are you only POSSIBLY going off with BoB, witness and dragon??
BoB on field, dump dragon, reanimate, dump library into yard, target eternal witness to end loop. bounce another reanimate to hand via EW and reanimate dragon, good game sir. unless you're worried about a)loading the opponents hand or B)they exile ancestral, im not seeing the issue.
im sorry im just not seeing the MIGHT in the eternal win.
and im not doing anything but conversing with you pal. its a public forum, if i didnt want opinions i wouldnt ask.
mmk, now wait. you drop wu in the yard. doesnt that mean you'll need TWO animate spells to get him and the dragon in play?
and how are you only POSSIBLY going off with BoB, witness and dragon??
BoB on field, dump dragon, reanimate, dump library into yard, target eternal witness to end loop. bounce another reanimate to hand via EW and reanimate dragon, good game sir. unless you're worried about a)loading the opponents hand or B)they exile ancestral, im not seeing the issue.
im sorry im just not seeing the MIGHT in the eternal win.
and im not doing anything but conversing with you pal. its a public forum, if i didnt want opinions i wouldnt ask.
Note you must have the Dragons in the graveyard before the cycle, and I apologize for not listing that given fact.
I don't know how to explain how Wu Spy doesn't need anything else to tadem {except the reanimate tricks} with him to WIN, where the ET you need to have some kind of card in the yard to use inorder to combo through infi mana TO WIN.
Member I just don't know how to answer your questions when the obvious is so damn clear bud.
I'll rest my attempts [I'm well aware I can't help everyone, and I'm just sharing a solid opinion}, and I do wish you the best with whatever version you make the choice to run;).
S.M.
My first post will contain a 1st place winning build as always, and from there I'll attach my current Wu Spy build soon.
This deck is strong enough to take serious and fast enough to hose the meta if not done so.
Comments and critism are welcome,
S.M.
Format: Vintage
42 Participants
6 rounds of Swiss
- followed by T8 Playoffs
1st ~ David Consunji
1x Mana Crypt
1x Mox Jet
1x Mox Sapphire
1x Mox Pearl
1x Mox Emerald
1x Mox Ruby
1x Sol Ring
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Inkwell Leviathan
3x Dark Confidant
1x Oona, Queen of the Fae
3x Worldgorger Dragon
1x Vampiric Tutor
1x Demonic Tutor
3x Thoughtseize
2x Animate Dead
1x Dance of the Dead
2x Necromancy
1x Ancestral Recall
1x Brainstorm
4x Force of Will
1x Mystical Tutor
2x Intuition
1x Thirst for Knowledge
2x Read the Runes
1x Echoing Truth
1x Time Walk
1x Tinker
4x Bazaar of Baghdad
3x Flooded Strand
2x Island
3x Polluted Delta
1x Swamp
1x Tolarain Academy
3x Underground Sea
1x Firespout
1x Library of Alexandria
4x Mana Drain
1x Rack and Ruin
1x Rebuild
1x Tezzeret the Seeker
1x Time Vault
1x Tormod's Crypt
1x Volcanic Island
1x Voltaic Key
1x Yawgmoth's Will
1x Thoughtseize
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This little Uncommon from Portal 3 kingdoms is a gem taking in what he can provide for the Animate Dead/Woldgorger combo.
Wu Spy
If this creature is in play and you start the combo...the game is over through a selective mill proccess. Each time the Wu enters play you'll look at the top 2 cards of their library and choose one to go to the GY and the other going back on top...repeat.
This is a selective proccess because even if your opp has a Gaea's Blessing in their library it'll never be placed into their yard. The last card in the deck will be the Blessing and you'll say go when the combo ends leaving a Oona or another Wu in play through selective milling of your own library completing the final Animate Dead resolve {note that was the worst case picture...they have no blessing then they're TOAST}.
The Perks;
Sometimes you can get lucky with casting the Wu getting the chance to look at the top 2 cards of your library, see a dragon, and pitch it to the yard setting up for a Animate kill.
The little guy is always an option to a FoW, and yes that was one of the things I really enjoyed while testing...Force of Wills were more consistant if I was willing to toss a Wu.
Now the buzz appears to be that there's yet another card in PK3 that clearly has a standout coming into play ability. I must add that many shops are selling out or spiking the current price tags on them. You still can get lucky on Ebay catching them for under $5.00 each {think random auctions, but not from Ebay store dealers}, but other sites like ABU aren't taking the risk and have shot theirs up to $9.99.
I know I was the first guy to go on record with my dragon CONCEPT {yes just drop the Bob's and go out on a limb} via testing, but I can't clearly see the whole picture yet with Wu Spy's as for other archtypes.
He's real solid in dragon {a Old school T-1 Archtype}...but might have some real potential elsewhere too.
Example if you don't have a Bazaar of Baghdad online;
Have Wu Spy in play {he's cheap and fast to cast} and Thoughtseize {Read the Runes, Intuition, Thirst or Knowledge ect} yourself dropping a Worldgorger Dragon into your GY, then Animate Dead the dragon {5 ways to do so in the deck} FTW.
S.M.
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You Animated Dead (or use some other enchantment to bring him back into play) Worldgorger Dragon; Dragon comes into play, you remove all your permanents from play (they come back untapped).
This combo is infinite, so you can generate as much mana as you would like and have as many comes into play triggers as you would like.
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Also, what do you think about adding a splash of red to this deck for a citp kill with something like keldon marauders?
UWRasputin DreamweaverUW
UWBSen TripletsUWB
As to adding Red, there is no need to add any red mana producers as you can simply reanimate him and then restart the loop. Older builds used to use a Red mana source and Kumano, Master Yambushi to deal with problems like Platinum Angel, they would use red mana sources but the 5 color builds would use Gemstone Mine. The counters on the mine would replenish every loop. But if you want to use a pinging creature, there is Triskelion and Triskevalus, both only require colorless mana and are reasonable reanimation targets.
I personally prefer Eternal Witness as your kill condition. Change animate targets, recur another animation, then recur all your counters then deck them using Ancestral over and over, which avoids the issues that most mill decks have against Eldrazi.
Wu Spy is a fine Alternative to this but if they are holding an Eldrazi the recurs their graveyard or draw into one, then it is ineffective.
Now that I think about it triskelion would make more sense than adding red since you could tinker it.
The only problem i see with using eternal witness in that manner is that you could very easily give your opponent something to disrupt the combo.
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UWBSen TripletsUWB
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S.M.
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UWBSen TripletsUWB
TBH im not sure why this deck has changed win conditions so often. The deck seems no faster today than it did several years ago and no more resilient. I feel like this deck falls prey to too many creative minds all wanting to find their own way to win by going infinite (not that the various win conditions dont work, it just seems to dilute things by taking away from actual fine tuning of the deck). I still prefer Eternal Witness recursion for the win condition as well, although having a creature based win condition (such as shivan hellkite or oona) lets you have a secondary animate target for a win condition outside of the combo.
@ Mandy...Squee used to be a staple in WGD and bazaar decks in general.
here is an article I wrote for MTGSalvation (which also made front page at star city games.com) from back in 2005, which talks a bit more about Dragon and Bazaar in general.
http://mtgsalvation.com/177-vintage-peace-in-the-middle-east.html
using a 5c manabase, splashing white is irrelevent. theres no issues with eternal witness/AR recursion kills because it all just sits in their hands till they lose.
it WILL suck out counters, or it WILL give you a turn to go off unhinged. or if you have multiple "opponent cant play spells this turn" effects in hand(or eternal witness to recur the effect), you may effectively time walk until the combo goes off.
thoughts? i've been playing the deck with 4x force of will and usually, it sucks. you never hard cast it and i rarely want to give up the other blue card or have one to toss period.
lim dul's is another card i find weakish in this deck, im thinking of trading one for imperial seal. great card but im usually looking for one thing or another.
also, i've been running careful study in place of intuition. its a sorcery, yes, but i find my deck is faster to the combo with it.
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I had tried Orim's chant in the past and was generally underwhelmed, having to pop it during upkeep and crossing fingers that bazaar draws into something is not really as good as playing first turn xantid and being able to combo out during a 2nd main phase. Orim's generally requires more than one to be drawn. Of course the otherside is that a top decked Orim's is usually better than a top decked Xantid on turn 2 or 3.
The difference between Wu and Keldon is that Wu is also beneficial to our own deck and isnt ONLY a win condition, which imo makes Wu a far superior card for play in Dragon, especially with how easy it is to play outside of the combo. The Wu version would also theorhetically support a better mana base of UB, although of course that depends on what else youre doing with your deck.
against pure control the swarm is better imo.
can i get opinions on careful study vs intuition in dragon?
how are people playing around leyline?
I can't stand the unstable witness version {it takes more work to hit that combo then the Wu} that shoots blanks 80% of the time, and so far between Oona and the Spy my current version allows for more consistant and yes sneaky victories.
I hope others put my mold together and test for a week or so, if your circle applies more hate by the end of that week;).... enough said, you know it's solid then.
S.M.
here's a seemingly odd addition my buddy came up with, crucible of worlds. makes my carefull studies and bazaar's much better, makes me want to run mox diamond so i can double time lands onto the feild, fights stax much better. it slices it dices it confuses the opponent. did i mention im running crop rotation and strip mine?
im now going to run a full set of orim's and silence. i like my opponent not playing THAT much. xantid is on the board for control right now but that's iffy.
and the addition im thinking about today is vindicate. the mana cost is high but against trinisphere it's pretty solid.
You're not using the Wu right bud {if you were you would be going infi everytime or would be placing a tech foot}, and it sounds like you're just going to slow this deck down {very bad idea}...leading to some hindering results as for future play. You might get away with your new build at the house, but I strongly doubt seeing that the most recent version didn't even run Wu but still didn't run the wintess either {Wu is now a key option and the white you're adding is a utter joke with regards to todays vintage scene}... and the extra chaff you're tossing in is going to express and highlight those facts I believe very soon for you.
Good luck,
S.M.
no, the most recent build ran ONE wu, ONE eternal. perhaps i should have a decklist before people can critique it. i went off first turn twice today, off the back of crop rotation, lotus and eternal, second turn is not uncommon. and typically if im not going off early, im silencing the other player or putting pressure on their hand by making them counter to play their turn. or i just lose, straight up, cant topdeck anything cant do crap.
why dont you explain the details of why Wu is so good. i used to run four of, then three, then found i wasnt missing him as i'd rather dig for eternal. he's just my backup incase of E.W. removal. i dont run FOW, i run 5c manabase and silence/orims as my disruption, how is he better then witness?
How's he better:
You can tap a Bazaar dropping the Wu/Dragon and nothing that matters {this happens 90% of the time anyways} then hit animate and your opp dies for the WIN.
Now with the witness you need to tap the Bazaar dropping the ET/Dragon and something that really matters to manipulate the cycle...you might go off and win.
The difference is the MIGHT, and the part where I say WIN.
Please do show this list you're talking about. I'm predated with my Wu version...it feels so good to be on par.
Oh and I use 3x Wu Spy just to stay consistant, and hell they pitch to a force in the competitive versions...that alone makes the Spy in my eyes a more useful creature.
I hope that helped bud, and please know I'm just trying to shed some light and express my opinion on the topic...15 years of MTG experience doesn't always make me right good member, but it does allow me to share some of my wisdom with regards to the competitive archetypes.
and how are you only POSSIBLY going off with BoB, witness and dragon??
BoB on field, dump dragon, reanimate, dump library into yard, target eternal witness to end loop. bounce another reanimate to hand via EW and reanimate dragon, good game sir. unless you're worried about a)loading the opponents hand or B)they exile ancestral, im not seeing the issue.
im sorry im just not seeing the MIGHT in the eternal win.
and im not doing anything but conversing with you pal. its a public forum, if i didnt want opinions i wouldnt ask.
Note you must have the Dragons in the graveyard before the cycle, and I apologize for not listing that given fact.
I don't know how to explain how Wu Spy doesn't need anything else to tadem {except the reanimate tricks} with him to WIN, where the ET you need to have some kind of card in the yard to use inorder to combo through infi mana TO WIN.
Member I just don't know how to answer your questions when the obvious is so damn clear bud.
I'll rest my attempts [I'm well aware I can't help everyone, and I'm just sharing a solid opinion}, and I do wish you the best with whatever version you make the choice to run;).
S.M.