Whats going on no bold no tag did he quit or fired whats going on?
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I refuse to be treated so badly, the users don't know half the truth.
I wish the greeks well.
I was fired, not resigned .
I love you guys and the site
Catch me on msn if you want.
Well I don't know ALL of it.. but I do think that it was the wrong choice.. not only did it come at a bad time (the loss of BB and Mike - it's not likely to bring them back) but after alot of people seemed to get over those.. it seems like Hannes is just trying to stir up even MORE drama. As well.. after people clamored forever to get a second admin.. the first gets fired? Sadly I think the same thing will just end up happening to GB.
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I don't know what happened, but from what I know it doesn't make sense. Bel wasn't a bad admin, he was simply overworked. With GB to help him, I thought matters would start normalizing once again.
Anyway, I hope there's a good reason for all this, because it would be sad to see someone as devoted to the site as Bel be fired for silly reasons.
Even though I asked for this, and I doubt you will even believe it, I am sorry Belgareth.
I'm sorry for bringing this up, especially the way I did it. I know you must take this with a grain of salt, but I know you enjoyed being an admin, and for that I am sorry that you have lost that as a result of all this.
I once warned you that being so secretive with me will only cause problems... It implicated a lack of trust. The lack of trust was then accelerated by some events, and then it came down to this. I wish things could have been different, and I wish I had handled things a lot differently.
I don't know what your plans are in regards to posting at Salvation or whatever... But I do wish you good luck. Even though these last few days have probably stuck a rift between us forever, I hope that you can understand why I did it... Or at least accept it.
I guess I'm trying to stick out an olive branch here... But I am sorry for all of this. In fact, I'm sorry to everyone who was involved.
From what i gather he's been fired for being in love
Absolutely 100% not the case.
That is, obviously, completely rediculous.
Bel has been told why he was asked to resign. He simply wont tell anyone the real reasons. I find it insulting that he would say "Because he's in love."
I will defend Bel for a second here and say that I have no proof that he modded her because of their relationship. According to them, they got together afterwards. I do have some chat logs which imply otherwise, but I feel it is innappropriate and now irrelevant.
Although Bel, I have not seen any proof as of yet coming from you.
@ Bel :
That can refer to your problems with Crazed_Mike or BB18.
You can also be in love without promoting your love to mod-ship.
I stated numerous times once it became public knowledge that if my being a mod was offensive in any way because of Bel and I that I would resign right away. Nobody asked me to.. I would prefer it if people now kept me being a mod out of it.. especially since who knows how long I will be one.
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It's sad to see Belgrath as no longer being a administrator. He did an extremely great job running the site and don't really understand what caused any of the problem leading up to this.
Yeah, net drama sucks. I think if you mod someone up because you love them, then obviously you must find the same qualities in them that you enjoy and comprise one's self. If anyone was removed from their position based on this, then it was at the hands of someone who doesn't even trust his own staff and/or believe they're capable of selecting people to become staff who envoke the same qualities that originally made them a staff member. Either way, the internet is full of chat rooms and message boards and places where one who has such time to assis with those matters, can easily find a home. I'm not even completely familiar with this situation, but from what I'm reading, it sounds like some backstabbing was involved and that insecurity issues existed amongst others as well as a hint of jealousy. No matter what I think doing anything like this to someone around the holidays is just wrong. No matter what someone has done, it's not beyond discussion between two people and it's surely not beyond forgiveness. Is that not in fact what the 25th of December is celebrated for? Oh the irony.
Considering private conversations that I've had with him, I can safely say that Feyd is a 100% reliable and trustworthy person. He told me that he read the logs, and that Belgareth absolutely did not get fired for 'being in love', that Hannes repeatedly said that he didn't care about that.
If Feyd says this, that's enough for me to believe it...and should be enough for everyone. Feyd is like..the Colin Powell of MTG Salvation...the guy that everyone whom knows him realizes should be in charge, but, refuses to let himself be put in charge.
in situations like this you have to play it a litle ike a politian you can't get involved with the drama you have to keep neutral to a degree you must be fair and imaprtail and you must have very good reason and comnon sense.
you must keep your publicl live sererate from your private and socal life. I know this because my grandfather had a few years in politics. and i worked for the state far at lest a year. ev tho it was custodial. thater is poitics at that low level.
I'm sorry Bel you will not continue to join us in the T2 forums I assume....mand thank God IBTG is back or we would really be lost. Never knew you but I respect your opinion and am sorry to see you as well as mike and BB leave this is very sad indeed.....I to tell you the truth thought hannes of all people would handle this differently....
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yes turning of the tide that was a nice, props on breaking the deck
Hannes handled this the best way he could from what I gather. With the changes in staff, I will probably remain on salvation and continue to post. So I'm sure you'll see me in T2 in the near future.
WHAT......WTF is he doing now??? He was just back on the other day..... OMG so that leaves me and Mike.....Scrubs shall run rampant. I'm sryo again guys if you want to MSN sometime I would like to hear more about this as I have been following it from the beginning and am a little distrought. Or if you just want to chat.
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yes turning of the tide that was a nice, props on breaking the deck
Hannes you may want to add to your annoucment that Senori is now Global. I know it is not as major as the other parts but some may be interested. Anyway I am sad to see Belgareth go. I believe Feyd and Hannes that they had good reason though so that also makes me sad. You may as well come clean Belgareth. At any rate I can say I did see this coming. You could stay on as a member though Bel. Anyway I wish you all the luck in life...See you on MSN I guess.
At any rate what kind of collateral damage are we looking at here? Qwerty has taken down most of his profile information and has lately gone into recluse anyway so I am led to believe he will be resigning. Also if Raia stays I will be surprised. I am pretty sure that Alex will stay but it is also possible he will leave because of Belgareth. Major loses, major loses. Are these assumtions true?
I would be surprised if Raia left, actually. She seems self-confident and self-sufficient enough that she'll stick around. She has worked hard to prove that she's worthy of being Staff, and to make friends here..if she just bails because Belgareth does, it just makes it look like everyone was right about them all along.
Alex has signed his soul away to The Called, so, he shan't be leaving either
Wow so essentially we are looking at possibly losing like half the active staff to this ordeal shame shame I really will not have an easy time with this change.
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yes turning of the tide that was a nice, props on breaking the deck
I would be surprised if Raia left, actually. She seems self-confident and self-sufficient enough that she'll stick around. She has worked hard to prove that she's worthy of being Staff, and to make friends here..if she just bails because Belgareth does, it just makes it look like everyone was right about them all along.
Alex has signed his soul away to The Called, so, he shan't be leaving either
Yes, but if they are truly in love as the claim she will not care how it looks. I can see her staying but I will not be surprised when she leaves. I guess it really depends on how Belgareth feels about it. If he has no problem she will stay.
As for the second part that is the exact reason I said it. When Belgareth annouced he was leaving the Called so follow Sterling Angel, with Alex not knowing what he would do. In the end he decided to stay so that tells me he is not overly-Belgareth loyal. Because of that I think he will stay.
Anyway, I hope there's a good reason for all this, because it would be sad to see someone as devoted to the site as Bel be fired for silly reasons.
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I'm sorry for bringing this up, especially the way I did it. I know you must take this with a grain of salt, but I know you enjoyed being an admin, and for that I am sorry that you have lost that as a result of all this.
I once warned you that being so secretive with me will only cause problems... It implicated a lack of trust. The lack of trust was then accelerated by some events, and then it came down to this. I wish things could have been different, and I wish I had handled things a lot differently.
I don't know what your plans are in regards to posting at Salvation or whatever... But I do wish you good luck. Even though these last few days have probably stuck a rift between us forever, I hope that you can understand why I did it... Or at least accept it.
I guess I'm trying to stick out an olive branch here... But I am sorry for all of this. In fact, I'm sorry to everyone who was involved.
Absolutely 100% not the case.
That is, obviously, completely rediculous.
Bel has been told why he was asked to resign. He simply wont tell anyone the real reasons. I find it insulting that he would say "Because he's in love."
No longer staff here.
That is my first and last comment.
Although Bel, I have not seen any proof as of yet coming from you.
I stated numerous times once it became public knowledge that if my being a mod was offensive in any way because of Bel and I that I would resign right away. Nobody asked me to.. I would prefer it if people now kept me being a mod out of it.. especially since who knows how long I will be one.
this had nothing to do with his deadmin'ing.
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If Feyd says this, that's enough for me to believe it...and should be enough for everyone. Feyd is like..the Colin Powell of MTG Salvation...the guy that everyone whom knows him realizes should be in charge, but, refuses to let himself be put in charge.
you must keep your publicl live sererate from your private and socal life. I know this because my grandfather had a few years in politics. and i worked for the state far at lest a year. ev tho it was custodial. thater is poitics at that low level.
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This is really depressing :(.
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At any rate what kind of collateral damage are we looking at here? Qwerty has taken down most of his profile information and has lately gone into recluse anyway so I am led to believe he will be resigning. Also if Raia stays I will be surprised. I am pretty sure that Alex will stay but it is also possible he will leave because of Belgareth. Major loses, major loses. Are these assumtions true?
Alex has signed his soul away to The Called, so, he shan't be leaving either
Yes, but if they are truly in love as the claim she will not care how it looks. I can see her staying but I will not be surprised when she leaves. I guess it really depends on how Belgareth feels about it. If he has no problem she will stay.
As for the second part that is the exact reason I said it. When Belgareth annouced he was leaving the Called so follow Sterling Angel, with Alex not knowing what he would do. In the end he decided to stay so that tells me he is not overly-Belgareth loyal. Because of that I think he will stay.
I will continue to talk to everyone I was talking to even if they leave But Tis a sad day here...:(