1) Shouldn't jokes be funny? Cuz I'm not sure what was funny about that.
2) A reference to what, exactly?
3) Why wouldn't it be taken seriously since for all intents and purposes it looked nothing like a joke and more like a random swipe at a member completely unrelated to the situation you were griping about discussing.
*Agree*
I think this particular sarcastic joke/reference went over EVERYONE's head.
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Doesn't change the fact that it's annoying and actually very much against the rules (both the SYM guidelines and the general Forum Rules). I know you get that, but I thought it was worth mentioning once again.
I am pretty sure (could be wrong) that because of the fact this is "not the first time" its happened, in this case, its not against the rules. This is not JUST about his last thread, but about other threads where the same thing happened. Making it a SYM topic, because its not JUST about the one action taken by AoK (clearly that is what prompted him to do it, but its not the ONLY event he its talking about. This is more of a "why do my threads get locked when other people do bad stuff?" question. Which would defiantly be a thread allowed in SYM )
This is not JUST about his last thread, but about other threads where the same thing happened. Making it a SYM topic, because its not JUST about the one action taken by AoK (clearly that is what prompted him to do it, but its not the ONLY event he its talking about. This is more of a "why do my threads get locked when other people do bad stuff?" question. Which would defiantly be a thread allowed in SYM )
No, this is just about his last thread, given that the first post is a bunch of question marks and a link back to the closed thread. If he were wishing to talk about a more general issue, he could have. If he wanted to provide links for examples, he should have (and more than just the one for his thread), and really ought to have done so if he's trying to pass this off as a site-wide problem of some sort (which I don't believe for a second it is, nor do I think it's a problem directed at him). It appears to me that this thread was created solely to complain about a specific moderator action. Especially considering Tarmogoyfs other comments in this thread.
If he meant this thread to be a general complaint about a bigger issue, he did a damn poor job of pulling that off because it looks a hell of a lot more like a specific complaint about one issue.
He did not get into his other complaints until later posts. (though the title did hint at it, at lest. but that is all it was, a hint.)
I'll note that he didn't get into his other points until after it was pointed out to him that it's not right to make a thread in SYM to complain about a specific matter that ought to be dealt with in PMs.
But since I'm here, I might as well make my own comments on Tarmogoyf's complaints.
I'm the only one on this thread that's not taking these things super personal and making deliberate attacks towards other people's intelligence.
Factually not true (especially since you started the thread off bemoaning what happened to 'YOUR' threads, which comes across as you taking this rather personally), but if you wish to think so, go right ahead.
I find it funny how people who didn't even post on the other thread have the nerve to call me such things and tell me to stop whining. If you're going to make such a blunt assumption, try to not be so wrong next time?
Perhaps if you would try to illustrate your point rather than flopping it out there and failing to show in any way that it's a persistent issue, people wouldn't be so inclined to view it as whining.
I felt the need to make this thread for one reason specifically: It involved another mod. This is not the first time I've witnessed a mod displaying poor behavior and getting off free.
Where? Are you positive that there were no penalties for these supposed instances of poor behavior?
Because there is no way to prove a pm, I don't want to be ignored because mods are afraid to take action against other mods.
What in your experiences here leads to to believe that the staff is prone to ignoring potentially serious issues?
Why do you assume that mods are in any way afraid of taking action against other mods? Yes, we do work as a team and support each other, but blatant instances of the rules being broken are addressed. Not always at the general mod level, but globals and up have certainly discussed mod conduct from time to time when necessary. And times when specific action needed to be taken, it was. Simply look back at the site's earlier days and you'll see several examples of mods taking action against other mods. And then be content that things are now almost exclusively harmonious.
Why do you assume that mods are in any way afraid of taking action against other mods?
Despite other minor issues, I'll just use a great example off this thread. Why is it that Sneaky gets to wander anywhere and spam/post snarky insults without any action taken against him? I'm yet to see a sneaky post that actually contains content. All he does is spam on the GRRRR thread and try to force his opinion onto others.
For two, I actually have brought this up with him. You can ask him if you like.
For three, if you really want me to, I'll issue the warning it deserves. If I do that, though, out of fairness, I'll be issuing a hell of a lot more of them to most of the other posters on this thread.
I figured that instead of cluttering up the thread with a ton of modtext, I'd, you know, talk to those involved. I have found, in my experience, that communication solves things in minor matters rather than slapping people with a red or yellow card. Of course, this doesn't mean it's ignored. I've recieved a few reports from your previous thread and from this one.
What some people don't realize, and it think it's because the "cards" are no longer visible to anyone but the person who recieved it and to mods, that it might have already been taken care of.
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What in your experiences here leads to to believe that the staff is prone to ignoring potentially serious issues?
Why do you assume that mods are in any way afraid of taking action against other mods? Yes, we do work as a team and support each other, but blatant instances of the rules being broken are addressed. Not always at the general mod level, but globals and up have certainly discussed mod conduct from time to time when necessary. And times when specific action needed to be taken, it was. Simply look back at the site's earlier days and you'll see several examples of mods taking action against other mods. And then be content that things are now almost exclusively harmonious.
As much as I hate this acronym, it's appropriate here: QFT.
Now, I can see that you are concerned about this. I don't have a problem with that. I DO have something of a problem with your statement of "you can't prove PMs" but since that statement is essentially true, there's not much I can tell you regarding that other than that you have to trust us.
I think it's fairly clear that your concerns are not being ignored, and I have done my best to explain the one outlined in your most recent post. If you have any others, ask. If I can tell you, I will.
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
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Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
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I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
I think you should issue those infractions, and also in that locked thread. There is no reason not to issue them, and half of the posts aren't warning worthy, they're infraction worthy, such as the SPAM post of SneakyHumonculous and the flaming of Hydro to Saphiretri's address as well as the drama saphire had been creating there. I see at least 10 infractionable posts in that thread and in this thread at least one. I don't get it why these haven't been infracted, and am glad Tarmogoyf actually made a thread like this.
This is my point.
If you really do have a problem with it then take the action. And I find it hard to believe sneaky doesn't have enough warnings to warrant him an infraction at this point. I know he's not a mod, but he still acts like one and unfortunately gets treated like one.
Why do you assume that mods are in any way afraid of taking action against other mods?
Paranoia. Again, its a bad idea/against the rules(whatever you want to call it), to post this kinda thing in SYM.
You know all of the mod's can get together in the mod area and plead their case to the other mod's there. You, as a member, do not have such luxury. (clearly, there is nothing wrong with the mod's and the mod area, and, of course, that is where such discussions should be held. But that does not mean that sometimes your imagination is going to run wild with what might be happing. Why do you think some members 'fell' so hard for the April fool's joke? I thought it was a joke until Krashbot started 'yelling' at me to stop posting on it. Then it took me a bit to figure out that he too was just messing around. I have trouble understanding other people in a text based medium. I like looking at body language)
I will also admit that I do not have the forum rules memorized, nor do I look at them before I post. Normally, I just go off of other threads I have read in the area of the forum I am about to post in. And based souly on that, SYM seems like it would be the place to post complaints about other mods to other mods, while the help desks seem either a place to flame mod's when they upset you, or role play. (clearly, based on my many infections, its a much smarter idea to read the rules than to just 'guess' at what they are. But again, I do not normally 'get' a rule just by reading it. I like examples of it.)
Of all of the places on the forums SYM should be (IMO) the place to air complains about mods to other mods. Clearly, its normally your fault not the mods, so it just amounts to you making an ass out of yourself. (as demonstrated by my self)
But I guess people feel such thread are just "whining little drama queen's trying to get everyone to care about their problems." Which, while a provocative way of putting it, is not all wrong.
I think you should issue those infractions, and also in that locked thread. There is no reason not to issue them, and half of the posts aren't warning worthy, they're infraction worthy, such as the SPAM post of SneakyHumonculous and the flaming of Hydro to Saphiretri's address as well as the drama saphire had been creating there. I see at least 10 infractionable posts in that thread and in this thread at least one. I don't get it why these haven't been infracted, and am glad Tarmogoyf actually made a thread like this.
That has never been the modus operandi of any mod I've seen on these forums. Warnings, and especially infractions, carry power in large numbers, such that it's unfair to hand someone three in quick succession like you're suggesting they should. It would have been fair if a warning was issued at the outset to head it off, but as that opportunity was missed, it wouldn't be fair.
The normal flow of events is an open call to calm down, a warning/infraction issued once to encompass the whole event, or a thread-lock. This reduces the amount of modtext, cards handed out, and is more fair to all involved.
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My anecdotal evidence disagrees with yours! EXPLAIN THAT!
Tarmogofy why do you care if another member gets a warning or not, did he affend you, are you trying to start another thread about mods giving special treatment. Try to follow this motto, if it does not involve you stay out of it. Why do you care what happens to other members, you are acting like a little kid who is not getting his way.
All of his posts are light hearted, and can help to make people feel better about what's going on. While they do not appear, at first, to have a point. There point it so to make people lighten up a little, which is often needed. Most, I am sure, are more well thought out than you would think.
He is sneaky after all.
And yes, no incantatrix for you. Or anyone. That class makes puppies cry. Mostly because they are the former Big Bads who have been Baleful Polymorphed into said puppies. By you. Because you're an incantatrix.
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This is Deraxas we're talking about.
Remember, the girl that just killed an aspect of herself before literally consuming her?
Yeah, I don't see her handling a pissing match in any way other than a duel.
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Yes mistress...
Quote from About epic-level D&D »
There are only so many epic, psuedonatural barbarian/blackguard half-dragon akutenshai vampire balor paragons they can throw at you, right?
Quote from Concerning breeding habits of humans in fantasy games »
I suppose it's true. Though the logistics implied in a human/Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon pairing makes me shudder.
...Something tells me that even should all arcane casters in the world unite, that the Grease spell would NOT be sufficient.
The thing is, posts like sneaky's are funny. They therefore contribute to the thread by adding humour. If it was forum policy to infract posts like that, what kind of a boring forum would MTGS be?
They are? Sorry, but I'm yet to find anything he says funny. The only times I've seen him post have been pointless spam and sad attempts to be funny.
Tarmogofy why do you care if another member gets a warning or not, did he affend you, are you trying to start another thread about mods giving special treatment. Try to follow this motto, if it does not involve you stay out of it. Why do you care what happens to other members, you are acting like a little kid who is not getting his way.
1) Don't go calling me a little kid when you cant even spell "offend" correctly, or my name even for that matter(which you could have just scrolled up slightly.. or played a game of magic in the past year).
2) This very much so does involve me, so I will not stay out of it.
3) I care what happens to other members for the same reason you're still on this thread that has absolutely nothing to do with you: I have an opinion.
I don't think it helps when you make yourself look like an ass and a hypocrite. Then again, I'm just "a little kid who is not getting his way", so what do I know?
You just hate sneakles cos he insulted your taste in music
On the subject though does it really matter if a thread gets locked? It doesn't seem a huge deal to me. Based on posts of yours and certain others i've seen i'm suprised more threads aren't locked.
* Diggy shrugs and goes to hang around elsewhere
And who are you? One of his little minions that bows to the sight of Sneaky in his personal thread? I could care less what he thinks of anything, it was how he presented himself in multiple situations on my threads. Most people I know disagree with my opinion, especially on music, and that's just how life goes. This doesn't mean he had the right to be a douche about it.
This is seriously the most boring drama thread. I mean, about a locked thread? Seriously? I had my popcorn all ready to go, and fell asleep face-down in the salt and butter.
this still isn't about you, tarmogoyf
ban everyone who posted in the last thread, ban everyone who posted in this thread, close thread, close forum, problem solved
And who are you? One of his little minions that bows to the sight of Sneaky in his personal thread? I could care less what he thinks of anything, it was how he presented himself in multiple situations on my threads. Most people I know disagree with my opinion, especially on music, and that's just how life goes. This doesn't mean he had the right to be a douche about it.
Many of those on welfare in america just need the extra push to be someone, while helping starving Biafrin not starve just perpetuates another random life that can't do what somebody with a good US high-school education can. I'd rather help Joe Bloe get into college and do something with his life than help a starving Kenyan keep ****ing his wife and popping out starving babies that need more of our money.
This is seriously the most boring drama thread. I mean, about a locked thread? Seriously? I had my popcorn all ready to go, and fell asleep face-down in the salt and butter.
this still isn't about you, tarmogoyf
ban everyone who posted in the last thread, ban everyone who posted in this thread, close thread, close forum, problem solved
Well, at least this is more interesting to read.
It's not meant to be a drama thread. It's quite pathetic that that's what you were looking for. Sorry to disappoint.
Unfortunately, any thread complaining about a specific moderator action, where the user discussion is entirely meaningless, is by default a drama thread.
Since AoK opened it up to a discussion on why people feel the need to post these, it's no longer a drama thread! [edit: Except for certain members who seem intent on derailing discussion with trolling and flaming...]
You know all of the mod's can get together in the mod area and plead their case to the other mod's there. You, as a member, do not have such luxury.
Sure you can. PM the moderator to plead your case, and if the moderator doesn't at least explain it, PM an admin. That's exactly the same amount of "pleading" that a mod can do.
I don't want to be ignored because mods are afraid to take action against other mods.
Even if the admin you PMed told you to go away or ignored your complaint, that's the end of the line. There is no further recourse. Now, you can complain about the admin ignoring you here - that would be appropriate. But complaining here about the specific action taken is not, never is, and never was appropriate.
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Sure you can. PM the moderator to plead your case, and if the moderator doesn't at least explain it, PM an admin. That's exactly the same amount of "pleading" that a mod can do.
Clearly, this is the proper course of action. But, sometimes you start to think lies could be spread behind your back. Unlike members, mods can talk to each-other in a place where all mods can see, but members can't.
Now, you can complain about the admin ignoring you here - that would be appropriate. But complaining here about the specific action taken is not, never is, and never was appropriate.
Based on the forum rules, 100% correct. However, the question then becomes, why not? Should there not be a place on the forums where you can complain to mods about other mods?
Your more likely to listen to reason if its coming from someone other then the person that 'wronged' you. MTGsalvation is a community, last time I checked. Should SYM not be the place to talk to the community when you feel another member of the community has wronged you?(mod or no)
I know I learned my lesson much better having the my issue here, where I could get more than just one person to explain to me that I was wrong.
Based on the forum rules, 100% correct. However, the question then becomes, why not? Should there not be a place on the forums where you can complain to mods about other mods?
Your more likely to listen to reason if its coming from someone other then the person that 'wronged' you. MTGsalvation is a community, last time I checked. Should SYM not be the place to talk to the community when you feel another member of the community has wronged you?
I know I learned my lesson much better having the my issue here, where I could get more than just one person to explain to me that I was wrong.
It's called private messaging. If you really feel a mod is that bad, then message an admin about it, I guess. But whining about mods really isn't productive. Unfortunately, MTGS staff have historically been quite bad about keeping their squabbling private, and in my opinion, it really undermines the staff (as hilarious as it is to read). Seeing mods bickering with each other gives users an excuse to call every single action that mod takes into question, and that's not helpful.
Many of those on welfare in america just need the extra push to be someone, while helping starving Biafrin not starve just perpetuates another random life that can't do what somebody with a good US high-school education can. I'd rather help Joe Bloe get into college and do something with his life than help a starving Kenyan keep ****ing his wife and popping out starving babies that need more of our money.
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I think this particular sarcastic joke/reference went over EVERYONE's head.
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No, this is just about his last thread, given that the first post is a bunch of question marks and a link back to the closed thread. If he were wishing to talk about a more general issue, he could have. If he wanted to provide links for examples, he should have (and more than just the one for his thread), and really ought to have done so if he's trying to pass this off as a site-wide problem of some sort (which I don't believe for a second it is, nor do I think it's a problem directed at him). It appears to me that this thread was created solely to complain about a specific moderator action. Especially considering Tarmogoyfs other comments in this thread.
If he meant this thread to be a general complaint about a bigger issue, he did a damn poor job of pulling that off because it looks a hell of a lot more like a specific complaint about one issue.
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I'll note that he didn't get into his other points until after it was pointed out to him that it's not right to make a thread in SYM to complain about a specific matter that ought to be dealt with in PMs.
But since I'm here, I might as well make my own comments on Tarmogoyf's complaints.
Factually not true (especially since you started the thread off bemoaning what happened to 'YOUR' threads, which comes across as you taking this rather personally), but if you wish to think so, go right ahead.
Perhaps if you would try to illustrate your point rather than flopping it out there and failing to show in any way that it's a persistent issue, people wouldn't be so inclined to view it as whining.
Where? Are you positive that there were no penalties for these supposed instances of poor behavior?
What in your experiences here leads to to believe that the staff is prone to ignoring potentially serious issues?
Why do you assume that mods are in any way afraid of taking action against other mods? Yes, we do work as a team and support each other, but blatant instances of the rules being broken are addressed. Not always at the general mod level, but globals and up have certainly discussed mod conduct from time to time when necessary. And times when specific action needed to be taken, it was. Simply look back at the site's earlier days and you'll see several examples of mods taking action against other mods. And then be content that things are now almost exclusively harmonious.
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techoverrated.For one, Sneaky isn't a mod anymore.
For two, I actually have brought this up with him. You can ask him if you like.
For three, if you really want me to, I'll issue the warning it deserves. If I do that, though, out of fairness, I'll be issuing a hell of a lot more of them to most of the other posters on this thread.
I figured that instead of cluttering up the thread with a ton of modtext, I'd, you know, talk to those involved. I have found, in my experience, that communication solves things in minor matters rather than slapping people with a red or yellow card. Of course, this doesn't mean it's ignored. I've recieved a few reports from your previous thread and from this one.
What some people don't realize, and it think it's because the "cards" are no longer visible to anyone but the person who recieved it and to mods, that it might have already been taken care of.
As much as I hate this acronym, it's appropriate here: QFT.
Now, I can see that you are concerned about this. I don't have a problem with that. I DO have something of a problem with your statement of "you can't prove PMs" but since that statement is essentially true, there's not much I can tell you regarding that other than that you have to trust us.
I think it's fairly clear that your concerns are not being ignored, and I have done my best to explain the one outlined in your most recent post. If you have any others, ask. If I can tell you, I will.
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If you really do have a problem with it then take the action. And I find it hard to believe sneaky doesn't have enough warnings to warrant him an infraction at this point. I know he's not a mod, but he still acts like one and unfortunately gets treated like one.
techoverrated.You know all of the mod's can get together in the mod area and plead their case to the other mod's there. You, as a member, do not have such luxury. (clearly, there is nothing wrong with the mod's and the mod area, and, of course, that is where such discussions should be held. But that does not mean that sometimes your imagination is going to run wild with what might be happing. Why do you think some members 'fell' so hard for the April fool's joke? I thought it was a joke until Krashbot started 'yelling' at me to stop posting on it. Then it took me a bit to figure out that he too was just messing around. I have trouble understanding other people in a text based medium. I like looking at body language)
I will also admit that I do not have the forum rules memorized, nor do I look at them before I post. Normally, I just go off of other threads I have read in the area of the forum I am about to post in. And based souly on that, SYM seems like it would be the place to post complaints about other mods to other mods, while the help desks seem either a place to flame mod's when they upset you, or role play. (clearly, based on my many infections, its a much smarter idea to read the rules than to just 'guess' at what they are. But again, I do not normally 'get' a rule just by reading it. I like examples of it.)
Of all of the places on the forums SYM should be (IMO) the place to air complains about mods to other mods. Clearly, its normally your fault not the mods, so it just amounts to you making an ass out of yourself. (as demonstrated by my self)
But I guess people feel such thread are just "whining little drama queen's trying to get everyone to care about their problems." Which, while a provocative way of putting it, is not all wrong.
So, I guess what I am saying is "mah."
The normal flow of events is an open call to calm down, a warning/infraction issued once to encompass the whole event, or a thread-lock. This reduces the amount of modtext, cards handed out, and is more fair to all involved.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=532795
All of his posts are light hearted, and can help to make people feel better about what's going on. While they do not appear, at first, to have a point. There point it so to make people lighten up a little, which is often needed. Most, I am sure, are more well thought out than you would think.
He is sneaky after all. Doing this sometime makes you a busybody, and sometimes it does not. Its hard to tell if you think you see an injustice happening.
You can go back and look at the modtext now if you wish to. Also, matters were handled in the other thread by others.
I believe I need to remove myself from this situation for a few hours; I'm just as human as you guys are and it's trying my patience.
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They are? Sorry, but I'm yet to find anything he says funny. The only times I've seen him post have been pointless spam and sad attempts to be funny.
1) Don't go calling me a little kid when you cant even spell "offend" correctly, or my name even for that matter(which you could have just scrolled up slightly.. or played a game of magic in the past year).
2) This very much so does involve me, so I will not stay out of it.
3) I care what happens to other members for the same reason you're still on this thread that has absolutely nothing to do with you: I have an opinion.
I don't think it helps when you make yourself look like an ass and a hypocrite. Then again, I'm just "a little kid who is not getting his way", so what do I know?
techoverrated.At least we can agree it was an insult?
techoverrated.this still isn't about you, tarmogoyf
ban everyone who posted in the last thread, ban everyone who posted in this thread, close thread, close forum, problem solved
Well, at least this is more interesting to read.
techoverrated.Its true.
'Goyf if your using Appeal to emotion or argument to the person. Its probably because you argument has started to break down.
Its hard to stay above it all in this kinda case, but you have to if your trying to prove a point.
Since AoK opened it up to a discussion on why people feel the need to post these, it's no longer a drama thread! [edit: Except for certain members who seem intent on derailing discussion with trolling and flaming...]
Sure you can. PM the moderator to plead your case, and if the moderator doesn't at least explain it, PM an admin. That's exactly the same amount of "pleading" that a mod can do.
Even if the admin you PMed told you to go away or ignored your complaint, that's the end of the line. There is no further recourse. Now, you can complain about the admin ignoring you here - that would be appropriate. But complaining here about the specific action taken is not, never is, and never was appropriate.
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Go read! I am one of the three authors of Cranial Insertion.
But seriously, if you can't remember "Woapalanne", just call me Eli.
Anyway.. Goyf if you have a serious issue DROP the complaints on Sneaky cause its showing more of a anger towards him then any legit argument.
techoverrated.Not when one is just you being Pissed cause he insulted you ONCE by hating on your music and you decide to turn it into a crusade against him.
and besides your testing grounds thread, this poll, and responces show how much of a ego you have.... and is diluting your argument.
Your more likely to listen to reason if its coming from someone other then the person that 'wronged' you. MTGsalvation is a community, last time I checked. Should SYM not be the place to talk to the community when you feel another member of the community has wronged you?(mod or no)
I know I learned my lesson much better having the my issue here, where I could get more than just one person to explain to me that I was wrong.
It's called private messaging. If you really feel a mod is that bad, then message an admin about it, I guess. But whining about mods really isn't productive. Unfortunately, MTGS staff have historically been quite bad about keeping their squabbling private, and in my opinion, it really undermines the staff (as hilarious as it is to read). Seeing mods bickering with each other gives users an excuse to call every single action that mod takes into question, and that's not helpful.