The gutter has exclusive entry because
a) you need to be over 18 years of age to view the contents of the gutter
And you're saying this even as you attempt to defend the gutter?!
The gutter seriously hurts the image of this site. It doesn't matter if many users can't access it. The fact that this site condones 18+, explicit material anywhere makes it notch worse than almost every other major site I know. I honestly can't believe why this site could be the second option when you Google "MTG", which by the way doesn't target a mature audience at all. The gutter is a stigma upon us and I'm really disappointed that so many mods and administrators have grown to accept it.
I don't care if the gutter members go and make a truly "private" forum for themselves, but the gutter doesn't belong on MTGS. I don't even know why we bother to censor porn around here. The words exchanged in the gutter are dozens times worse than any porn forum out there.
I don't care if the gutter members go and make a truly "private" forum for themselves, but the gutter doesn't belong on MTGS. I don't even know why we bother to censor porn around here. The words exchanged in the gutter are dozens times worse than any porn forum out there.
Maybe you should actually know the contents of the gutter before you make such statements: porn isn't allowed, and even was it used to be, it was rarely posted.
Edit: It amazes me the number of misconceptions people have about what goes on inside the gutter.
I'd also like to point out that the gutter itself doesn't hurt the image of the site, because the intention of all 'gutterites' is that the gutter not be part of that image. Fight club, etc.
And you're saying this even as you attempt to defend the gutter?!
The gutter seriously hurts the image of this site. It doesn't matter if many users can't access it. The fact that this site condones 18+, explicit material anywhere makes it notch worse than almost every other major site I know. I honestly can't believe why this site could be the second option when you Google "MTG", which by the way doesn't target a mature audience at all.
Which would be why all the stuff that's not appropriate for those under 18 is safely tucked away where they can't get their sticky hands on it. We keep the public areas of the site appropriate for the game's userbase (which I believe skews far higher than you think, I'm sure WotC would rather target 20-somethings with their paychecks and not teens with their lunch money), and the private areas are allowed to be as they wish because they're not public.
The gutter is a stigma upon us and I'm really disappointed that so many mods and administrators have grown to accept it.
Is it really a stigma? I'd be shocked if the majority of visitors to this site knew what it was let alone others offsite.
I don't even know why we bother to censor porn around here. The words exchanged in the gutter are dozens times worse than any porn forum out there.
Once again. Private. Public.
Repeat it after me now.
Private .................... Public ...........................
Edit: It amazes me the number of misconceptions people have about what goes on inside the gutter.
I'd also like to point out that the gutter itself doesn't hurt the image of the site, because the intention of all 'gutterites' is that the gutter not be part of that image. Fight club, etc.
The gutter seriously hurts the image of this site. etc...
Boy, for someone who has never seen, used or otherwise in any way interacted with the Gutter, you certainly do have a lot of invalid opinions about the Gutter!
What you're doing is akin to arguing about a rival gaming console without actually using it before spitting out "33%" or "No gaemz" over and over again. Your methodology in posting is exactly the processes used when people go about baiting discussions on topics they know nothing about- spit out a lot of things you've heard other people say, true false or otherwise, and then hammer those points you can't actually verify into the ground as if you were pitching a tent. While it effectively rouses those who, like you, have no idea what they're talking about and those who choose to be incited by it, it causes the people who actually own PS3s and play fun games on it and those Xbox owners who haven't RROD'd to shake their heads and palm their forehead.
While I applaude your distaste for foul language and obscene images, the good news is you don't have to involve yourself with those things because you're not a Gutter member! It's a win win situation, we don't have to upset you with our potty mouths and porn, if this was over a year ago when porn was allowed in the Gutter, and we don't have to see you complain about seeing these things because you never have and never will!
The gutter seriously hurts the image of this site. It doesn't matter if many users can't access it. The fact that this site condones 18+, explicit material anywhere makes it notch worse than almost every other major site I know. I honestly can't believe why this site could be the second option when you Google "MTG", which by the way doesn't target a mature audience at all. The gutter is a stigma upon us and I'm really disappointed that so many mods and administrators have grown to accept it.
Gotta go with the majority here. The Gutter is not part of the image of this site. Suppose someone does Google "Magic the Gathering forums" and finds Sally. Where's he gonna go? Straight to the Type 2 forums or the Rumor Mill, most likely. If he stays around here long enough to discover the existence of The Gutter, then he already likes the site well enough that, hopefully, the shocking revelation of a secret subforum won't cause him to recoil in horror. But w/e.
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I normaly don't step into debates like this, but I feel that I should put in my 2 cents.
If people need to cry, whine and say things that aren't appropriate in other areas of the forums, why do they need their own sub-forum to do so? Never mind the fact that it's 18+ only and hidden, if its not appropriate on the rest of the site, why should it be anywhere else? There are other ways and means of blowing off steam than being inappropriate in a hidden subforum. Remember April Fool's 2007, and the uproar that brought? As it seems from previous posts, this is the Gutter to a much worse degree, and if the "Mod Lounge" then was unacceptable (ignoring the fact it was, in truth, an April Fool's joke), why should the Gutter be? And if people really want to talk about issues they have, why does it have to be on the internet? Mature people actually talk to people they trust.
I normaly don't step into debates like this, but I feel that I should put in my 2 cents.
If people need to cry, whine and say things that aren't appropriate in other areas of the forums, why do they need their own sub-forum to do so?
Because it's not allowed on the main site (although, people do vent, and get out of it unscathed, which is dumb imo).
Never mind the fact that it's 18+ only and hidden, if its not appropriate on the rest of the site, why should it be anywhere else?
Because The Gutter is HIDDEN. You can't just click it and go "OH NOES PPLZ R VNTING" like you could on the rest of the site.
There are other ways and means of blowing off steam than being inappropriate in a hidden subforum.
Yes, there are other ways. However, this does not mean having a hidden subforum is not a valid way of blowing off steam.
Remember April Fool's 2007, and the uproar that brought? As it seems from previous posts, this is the Gutter to a much worse degree, and if the "Mod Lounge" then was unacceptable (ignoring the fact it was, in truth, an April Fool's joke), why should the Gutter be?
What? Are you really comparing a hidden subforum where we're allowed to curse and vent to a subforum of "LOL OK, LET'S BAN AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN IN ONE DAY LOL"? Really?
And if people really want to talk about issues they have, why does it have to be on the internet? Mature people actually talk to people they trust.
It doesn't HAVE to be on the internet. I know for a fact I talk about people I hate here with my friends in real life. However, by allowing us to vent about who/what we hate on the site, we can be talking to other people who actually know WHAT we're talking about.
For example, if I say to my friend "Wow, this idiot on MTGS does blah blah blah", I'd need to explain what he did in detail to show why he's an idiot to me. However, in The Gutter, I can go "Man, _____ is an idiot," and people will know who and what I am talking about. Now, they might not agree with me, but they will still know what I am talking about without me having to go into detail.
Honestly, the amount of people on this site who have such misconseptions and vendettas towards the gutter, THAT HAVE NEVER EVEN BEEN IN THE GUTTER, is astounding.
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Maybe you should actually know the contents of the gutter before you make such statements: porn isn't allowed, and even was it used to be, it was rarely posted.
I was only drawing a comparison to the verbal content of pornography sites and the gutter; but now that you admit there was porn permitted, my impression of the gutter has only soured.
Boy, for someone who has never seen, used or otherwise in any way interacted with the Gutter, you certainly do have a lot of invalid opinions about the Gutter!
While I applaude your distaste for foul language and obscene images, the good news is you don't have to involve yourself with those things because you're not a Gutter member! It's a win win situation, we don't have to upset you with our potty mouths and porn, if this was over a year ago when porn was allowed in the Gutter, and we don't have to see you complain about seeing these things because you never have and never will!
Same old arguments. I've seen parts of the gutter and the revelations GodChild and other gutterites have been making is more than enough proof to prompt action. What you say doesn't make sense. The people upholding all the evidence against themselves is the gutter. If I were the police and the Gutter was the suspect and I had these compelling clues, I would definitely ask a judge to issue a search warrant.
Unfortunately, the judges on this site (the administartors) are themselves a part of the crime. So we know from this secrecy that there is indeed something wrong.
Furthermore, the Gutter is a part of MTGS and interacting with a gutterite is interacting with the gutter. I know things have been said about me there. Whether just or not, it is again interaction. If you sig my quote linked from the Gutter, that is again interaction. Almost all members of the site have interacted with the Gutter whether they realize it or not. We don't choose to interact with the Gutter but the Gutter's sole intention is to interact with the rest of the site.
I was only drawing a comparison to the verbal content of pornography sites and the gutter; but now that you admit there was porn permitted, my impression of the gutter has only soured.
It's a stigma as any. I believe many posteers on this site would be very offended if they were exposed to the content of the gutter.
Same old arguments. I've seen parts of the gutter and the revelations GodChild and other gutterites have been making is more than enough proof to prompt action. What you say doesn't make sense. The people upholding all the evidence against themselves is the gutter. If I were the police and the Gutter was the suspect and I had these compelling clues, I would definitely ask a judge to issue a search warrant.
Unfortunately, the judges on this site (the administartors) are themselves a part of the crime. So we know from this secrecy that there is indeed something wrong.
Furthermore, the Gutter is a part of MTGS and interacting with a gutterite is interacting with the gutter. I know things have been said about me there. Whether just or not, it is again interaction. If you sig my quote linked from the Gutter, that is again interaction. Almost all members of the site have interacted with the Gutter whether they realize it or not. We don't choose to interact with the Gutter but the Gutter's sole intention is to interact with the rest of the site.
Your posts have tipped this thread into the territory of completely ridiculous.
This pointless thread is over. Thread Closed.
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And you're saying this even as you attempt to defend the gutter?!
The gutter seriously hurts the image of this site. It doesn't matter if many users can't access it. The fact that this site condones 18+, explicit material anywhere makes it notch worse than almost every other major site I know. I honestly can't believe why this site could be the second option when you Google "MTG", which by the way doesn't target a mature audience at all. The gutter is a stigma upon us and I'm really disappointed that so many mods and administrators have grown to accept it.
I don't care if the gutter members go and make a truly "private" forum for themselves, but the gutter doesn't belong on MTGS. I don't even know why we bother to censor porn around here. The words exchanged in the gutter are dozens times worse than any porn forum out there.
Maybe you should actually know the contents of the gutter before you make such statements: porn isn't allowed, and even was it used to be, it was rarely posted.
Edit: It amazes me the number of misconceptions people have about what goes on inside the gutter.
I'd also like to point out that the gutter itself doesn't hurt the image of the site, because the intention of all 'gutterites' is that the gutter not be part of that image. Fight club, etc.
Which would be why all the stuff that's not appropriate for those under 18 is safely tucked away where they can't get their sticky hands on it. We keep the public areas of the site appropriate for the game's userbase (which I believe skews far higher than you think, I'm sure WotC would rather target 20-somethings with their paychecks and not teens with their lunch money), and the private areas are allowed to be as they wish because they're not public.
Is it really a stigma? I'd be shocked if the majority of visitors to this site knew what it was let alone others offsite.
Once again. Private. Public.
Repeat it after me now.
Private .................... Public ...........................
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Boy, for someone who has never seen, used or otherwise in any way interacted with the Gutter, you certainly do have a lot of invalid opinions about the Gutter!
What you're doing is akin to arguing about a rival gaming console without actually using it before spitting out "33%" or "No gaemz" over and over again. Your methodology in posting is exactly the processes used when people go about baiting discussions on topics they know nothing about- spit out a lot of things you've heard other people say, true false or otherwise, and then hammer those points you can't actually verify into the ground as if you were pitching a tent. While it effectively rouses those who, like you, have no idea what they're talking about and those who choose to be incited by it, it causes the people who actually own PS3s and play fun games on it and those Xbox owners who haven't RROD'd to shake their heads and palm their forehead.
While I applaude your distaste for foul language and obscene images, the good news is you don't have to involve yourself with those things because you're not a Gutter member! It's a win win situation, we don't have to upset you with our potty mouths and porn, if this was over a year ago when porn was allowed in the Gutter, and we don't have to see you complain about seeing these things because you never have and never will!
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Gotta go with the majority here. The Gutter is not part of the image of this site. Suppose someone does Google "Magic the Gathering forums" and finds Sally. Where's he gonna go? Straight to the Type 2 forums or the Rumor Mill, most likely. If he stays around here long enough to discover the existence of The Gutter, then he already likes the site well enough that, hopefully, the shocking revelation of a secret subforum won't cause him to recoil in horror. But w/e.
If people need to cry, whine and say things that aren't appropriate in other areas of the forums, why do they need their own sub-forum to do so? Never mind the fact that it's 18+ only and hidden, if its not appropriate on the rest of the site, why should it be anywhere else? There are other ways and means of blowing off steam than being inappropriate in a hidden subforum. Remember April Fool's 2007, and the uproar that brought? As it seems from previous posts, this is the Gutter to a much worse degree, and if the "Mod Lounge" then was unacceptable (ignoring the fact it was, in truth, an April Fool's joke), why should the Gutter be? And if people really want to talk about issues they have, why does it have to be on the internet? Mature people actually talk to people they trust.
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Because it's not allowed on the main site (although, people do vent, and get out of it unscathed, which is dumb imo).
Because The Gutter is HIDDEN. You can't just click it and go "OH NOES PPLZ R VNTING" like you could on the rest of the site.
Yes, there are other ways. However, this does not mean having a hidden subforum is not a valid way of blowing off steam.
What? Are you really comparing a hidden subforum where we're allowed to curse and vent to a subforum of "LOL OK, LET'S BAN AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN IN ONE DAY LOL"? Really?
It doesn't HAVE to be on the internet. I know for a fact I talk about people I hate here with my friends in real life. However, by allowing us to vent about who/what we hate on the site, we can be talking to other people who actually know WHAT we're talking about.
For example, if I say to my friend "Wow, this idiot on MTGS does blah blah blah", I'd need to explain what he did in detail to show why he's an idiot to me. However, in The Gutter, I can go "Man, _____ is an idiot," and people will know who and what I am talking about. Now, they might not agree with me, but they will still know what I am talking about without me having to go into detail.
Honestly, the amount of people on this site who have such misconseptions and vendettas towards the gutter, THAT HAVE NEVER EVEN BEEN IN THE GUTTER, is astounding.
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Can you please say where that was said in this thread? No one said the ONLY thing needed to get into the gutter was 18+.
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Presumably because they don't want to sign up for some reason.
Possible reasons:
1. They don't know it exists.
2. They don't want to be a part of it.
Or, they may have joined and been gutterbanned.
I fall under reason 2 here. I'm old enough, but I feel no compulsion to even try to join.
Go ahead and try to join if you want. Be exclusive, be cool.
I was only drawing a comparison to the verbal content of pornography sites and the gutter; but now that you admit there was porn permitted, my impression of the gutter has only soured.
It's a stigma as any. I believe many posteers on this site would be very offended if they were exposed to the content of the gutter.
Same old arguments. I've seen parts of the gutter and the revelations GodChild and other gutterites have been making is more than enough proof to prompt action. What you say doesn't make sense. The people upholding all the evidence against themselves is the gutter. If I were the police and the Gutter was the suspect and I had these compelling clues, I would definitely ask a judge to issue a search warrant.
Unfortunately, the judges on this site (the administartors) are themselves a part of the crime. So we know from this secrecy that there is indeed something wrong.
Furthermore, the Gutter is a part of MTGS and interacting with a gutterite is interacting with the gutter. I know things have been said about me there. Whether just or not, it is again interaction. If you sig my quote linked from the Gutter, that is again interaction. Almost all members of the site have interacted with the Gutter whether they realize it or not. We don't choose to interact with the Gutter but the Gutter's sole intention is to interact with the rest of the site.
Which is why they're not. It's like you're not even paying attention anymore.
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Fracture: Israfiel (WBR), Wujal (URG), Valedon (GUB), Amduat (BGW), Paladris (RWU)
Collision (Set Two of the Fracture Block)
Quest for the Forsaken (Set Two of the Excellion Block)
Katingal: Plane of Chains
Your posts have tipped this thread into the territory of completely ridiculous.
This pointless thread is over.
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