I must refute the staffs position that the gutter failed to "let an issue go". The "issue" we had was the way in which moderators handle their duties, and the staff's "resolution" fell right in line with their previous actions. How can you expect us to just accept you giving us the finger and telling us you basically don't care to address us respectfully?
Basically, in the simplest of terms:
We argue for less A.
Your response is to give us some more A.
We still argue for less A.
You guys tell us we can't let things go.
Really?
@LogicX: When I'm at a computer where I can actually spend a larger amount of time, I will try to post all the discussions for you if you so please. I'm dead serious about not trying to have beef with any former/current gutter haters. This isn't what this is about.
Yukora, that sounds pretty extreme. To me it seems like certain staff members were just waiting for a chance for the Gutter to participate in any community topic so they could use it as a springboard. I doubt there was any resolution to that issue that could have prevented the calling of said meeting/voting, and that's just not fair.
Honestly, think about it -- the Gutter was closed for a legitimate debate in a help desk. That's just absurd.
I guarantee this meeting would have happened regardless of the topic we participated in. Ultimately the entire Gutter was forbidden to take part in another community issue, or else this would happen. I am certain of that.
"Next time they call us out for something, we draw the line."
Yukora, that sounds pretty extreme. To me it seems like certain staff members were just waiting for a chance for the Gutter to participate in any community topic so they could use it as a springboard. I doubt there was any resolution to that issue that could have prevented the calling of said meeting/voting, and that's just not fair.
Honestly, think about it -- the Gutter was closed for a legitimate debate in a help desk. That's just absurd.
I guarantee this meeting would have happened regardless of the topic we participated in. Ultimately the entire Gutter was forbidden to take part in another community issue, or else this would happen. I am certain of that.
"Next time they call us out for something, we draw the line."
I think that's being a bit too cynical about the decision-making process. I think two of our administrators were just extremely fatigued with repeatedly dealing with the concerns raised by the gutter. And they made a questionable judgment call.
Yukora, that sounds pretty extreme. To me it seems like certain staff members were just waiting for a chance for the Gutter to participate in any community topic so they could use it as a springboard. I doubt there was any resolution to that issue that could have prevented the calling of said meeting/voting, and that's just not fair.
Honestly, think about it -- the Gutter was closed for a legitimate debate in a help desk. That's just absurd.
I guarantee this meeting would have happened regardless of the topic we participated in. Ultimately the entire Gutter was forbidden to take part in another community issue, or else this would happen. I am certain of that.
"Next time they call us out for something, we draw the line."
I would like to add to this post both an agreement with its contents, and add in a point I made in this post, that is quite relevant. The entire tone of the post I've cited (obv not my own post, but the one I quote within) uses language that was only brought up by the admin in question. It is very hard to not feel cheated when the person you're disagreeing with chooses language that deliberately helps them make a case that wouldn't have been there without said language (drama, gang, railroad, etc). I am confident that no one else in this discussion saw themselves as inciting drama, or ganging up, or railroading anyone... but in one fell swoop extremeicon was able to label the entire thing in such a way that this new result now seems inevitable.
It would appear that people had been seeing only what they wanted to see for a while now, and because of that others are suffering.
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The explosion that... destroyed our city, razed our home, and turned our fields into wasteland was nothing compared to what was now happening to those who survived.
With respect, the promise of resolution that was offered wasn't very reassuring. It took entirely too long to even get a clear "we're talking about in private." The higher-level staff had an opportunity to get out in front of this situation well before it escalated to the point where it did, and that opportunity was missed.
You are correct. We still have a long way to go in properly handling complaints about the site and the people who run it. I am hoping to correct that now.
Yukora: Just a word of advice. I think your response thus far has been appropriate. This action must be justified for broader reasons that a specific incident. It is fine that a recent incident was the impetus for this decision, but if you don't want this thread to get completely muddled with arguments about specific incidents I would say stick to your guns that this is an ongoing issue that represents a culmination of a broad consideration of the existence of the gutter in general.
Lets everyone keep that in mind before you start pointing out specific contextual facts about any recent incident.
Yes, the issues that were raised have been around for some time, and they predate even the Mike Flores incident. Since then, the discussion has cme up several times, but this most recent incident was undoubtedly the catalyst that led to this decision.
Thank you for explaining the situation, it is much appreciated. Also appreciated is your commitment to resolving this issue and addressing everyone's concerns.
Personally, I would argue that contrary to spawning trolls and problem posters, I think the Gutter produces exemplary posters more often than not. Look at how (N_S) handles any given situation! Outside of the gutter, nobody is flaming or being rude, they are stating issues either bluntly or eloquently. The worst trolls on this board are those who are disconnected with the community, not those who are intimately connected with it.
What is wrong with drama? Again this looks like its going back to the tumor/doctor analogy. Drama happens for a reason. It is far better to address the reason for the drama than those who point it out. This has happened time and time again. The staff focuses on those who are complaining rather than the actual issue. I am flabbergasted by how the staff continues to believe that the issues on Woapalaane's helpdesk were about the incidents and not how he reacts to people. In that capacity it seems like the administrative actions were made in ignorance. If that line of logic were continued, I should be banned for raising drama (and this is prolific, I am consistently seeing 30+ unique people reading this at a time) instead of this situation examined.
As presented, what this boils down to is the staff being reactionary rather than critical, which is utterly disappointing. The shutting down of the Gutter is entirely unjustifiable when given a little bit of critical thought.
I'm not going to speak about my personal opinion of various gutter members or of the gutter as a whole. I'm just trying to offer some clarity and transparency to the situation because we failed to do so form the beginning. If nothign else, I want to come out of this discussion with a general idea of how to improve the staff so that we never have to reach such an ultimate conclusion to a problem ever again.
As far as drama goes, I would have one point said that drama is a royal pain for the staff and it's our job to eliminate drama. I realized this year that site drama is a symptom of an issue and not an issue in and of itself. I want to become more efficient at preventing drama from the beginning rather than dealing with it after it has already happened. That may be a discussion for another time, though, as I know we must first resolve the current situation first.
Thank you. No...seriously... Thank you. This is how a mod/global should act when confronted with users issues, not getting defensive and throwing out red and yellow cards. I know Clock King said i was wrong in this, but I still believe most mods are good. Some just need to be reminded that they have powers that require the maturity to use them correctly. I still believe that 2 mods need to go beyond a shadow of a doubt. But in saying that, im just biding my time, collecting little things on them that one day I'll present to you or another admin.
The longer you hold a complaint, the longer an issue continues to fester. I cannot do anything to resolve problems if I am unaware that they exist in the first place.
Since I moderate the Gutter, I'm going to put out what will hopefully be my only statement on this issue, as quoted in an IM session I had with Yokura just now, reflecting entirely on the Administrative and higher level staff of MTGS:
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I'm going to be blunt, by my blunt honesty is tempered by the fact that you are one of four people in a position to make these decisions: you should feel bad. The administration promised the Gutter an intermediary route to air grievances and they got none. The Gutter aired grievances in a manner appropriate and specifically outlined in the Forum Rules, where no infractions or warnings were handed out and things were more civil than when even non-gutter users protest some site action, and they were told they were wrong for doing that. When they contested that, they were closed as a forum.
I don't hold you accountable for any of that personally, but I do hold you accountable for it as part of a greater body of staff that is most responsible for making sure none of that would happen.
I think there was a great failure on many levels, almost all of them staff-side, in this specific issue. The specifics related to this situation and where it "broke the camel's back" are bolded above.
I think that's being a bit too cynical about the decision-making process. I think two of our administrators were just extremely fatigued with repeatedly dealing with the concerns raised by the gutter. And they made a questionable judgment call.
They made a judgment call my silencing the members' concerns. The gutter provided a place for MTGS members to air concerns about moderators that isn't deemed "okay" on the regular forum.
Since I moderate the Gutter, I'm going to put out what will hopefully be my only statement on this issue, as quoted in an IM session I had with Yokura just now, reflecting entirely on the Administrative and higher level staff of MTGS:
I think there was a great failure on many levels, almost all of them staff-side, in this specific issue. The specifics related to this situation and where it "broke the camel's back" are bolded above.
I am reminded of the addage, "Two wrongs don't make a right." It was either that or, "Three lefts make a right."
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I think that's being a bit too cynical about the decision-making process. I think two of our administrators were just extremely fatigued with repeatedly dealing with the concerns raised by the gutter. And they made a questionable judgment call.
That's just my point though. This fatigue or weariness lends itself towards a bias, somewhat understandable I admit, but not to the point where even productive Gutter interference means an automatic review of its usefulness and ultimately a meeting to discuss its demise. I am saying that this sort of behavior is unfair and gives us no chance to fix our tarnished reputation. There is no way for us to approach the staff as a group without being viewed as a 'gang'.
Maybe I'm out of line for throwing a random question into a debate on business ethics, but what is/was the purpose of the gutter?
The Gutter is/was a subforum that required user application and approval to view. User discussion was unimpeded by word filter and the only constant was that users lurk before posting and post content that was generally agreeable with the other active Gutter users while not breaking any laws, image leeching, or posting pornography of any sort.
Most discussion occurred in, "The Biggest Gutter Thread Ever," though smaller threads on more specific topics cropped up from time to time.
It was essentially WCT without a wordfilter. The nature of discussion in the Gutter has changed/evolved/devolved (perspective depending) over time, though the most common constant in discussion was link-and-discuss, which usually occurred with MTGS posts and threads. This includes instances of what users in the Gutter have deemed Moderator misconduct.
That's just my point though. This fatigue or weariness lends itself towards a bias, somewhat understandable I admit, but not to the point where even productive Gutter interference means an automatic review of its usefulness and ultimately a meeting to discuss its demise. I am saying that this sort of behavior is unfair and gives us no chance to fix our tarnished reputation. There is no way for us to approach the staff as a group without being viewed as a 'gang'.
That ain't right.
I agree. Completely. I'm only saying I don't think the site admin were looking for an excuse to pull the trigger on the gutter. In their view, this was simply a straw that broke the camel's back.
Maybe I'm out of line for throwing a random question into a debate on business ethics, but what is/was the purpose of the gutter?
The gutter is basically the a sub-forum that has minimal moderation where posters are evaluated on merit. If a poster doesn't contribute in a manner that improves the gutter then some combination of being berated by the members and/or banned by the mods would force them out, as opposed to the main site where the only thing that matters (but doesn't always matter) is following a set of rules.
Essentially, the gutter is what MTGSalvation would be if it were a meritocracy rather than an oligarchy.
Being a part of the gutter encouraged its members (outside of perhaps one baguy) to become better posters, and also to hold the rest of MTGSalvation to the meritocratic standards of the gutter. This might include such things as linking to threads where some posters are providing negative contributions to the site, and also critiquing the moderation staff of this site.
None of this was done in malice, but again in light of the meritocracy. The gutter holds no grudge with the moderation staff, but rather exists in the vein of making sure that they do their jobs well. Frankly, the shut down of the gutter, for reasons already provided, was a horrible moderation decision. It further cements the perceived double-standard that exists on MTGS where the moderators are allowed to use charged language and snark at whomever they desire, while the actions of many posters are analyzed without a shred of objectivity.
I will continue to address any questions at hand, but I will only do so if they are directed at me. My intention in this thread is to offer answers to those who seek them, but I do not wish to dictate or hinder the flow of conversation among the rest of you.
I agree. Completely. I'm only saying I don't think the site admin were looking for an excuse to pull the trigger on the gutter. In their view, this was simply a straw that broke the camel's back.
If by straw you mean a morsel of weightless pixie dust, then I guess I can understand the camel analogy, though not necessarily the poor things duress.
I will continue to address any questions at hand, but I will only do so if they are directed at me. My intention in this thread is to offer answers to those who seek them, but I do not wish to dictate or hinder the flow of conversation among the rest of you.
Is there any chance of reversing the shut-down of the Gutter, and by what means would that be achieved?
I think that's being a bit too cynical about the decision-making process. I think two of our administrators were just extremely fatigued with repeatedly dealing with the concerns raised by the gutter. And they made a questionable judgment call.
The question I am now asking considering their judgement was in question before this questionable judgement call, is how long are they going to be allowed to make questionable judgement call after questionable judgement call without ever being actually held accountable.
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I will continue to address any questions at hand, but I will only do so if they are directed at me. My intention in this thread is to offer answers to those who seek them, but I do not wish to dictate or hinder the flow of conversation among the rest of you.
When it is said that the gutter is closed indefinitely, does that mean (as I believe it does) that there is not even an established criteria for reopening?
Is there any chance of reversing the shut-down of the Gutter, and by what means would that be achieved?
Considering the level to which this situation has gotten, I do not see what has been done being undone. Removing a forum is not something that is done lightly, and there is very little history of the staff changing its position once a conclusion has been reached.
I want people to keep in mind that the site's owner was involved in the ultimate decision. That alone makes the possibility of reversal nearly nil.
Considering the level to which this situation has gotten, I do not see what has been done being undone. Removing a forum is not something that is done lightly, and there is very little history of the staff changing its position once a conclusion has been reached.
I want people to keep in mind that the site's owner was involved in the ultimate decision. That alone makes the possibility of reversal nearly nil.
I would personally like a response to the bolden. By this I mean, I think you should rephrase the bolded as "Considering the level with which the staff mishandled this situation, tacitly supported double standards, and overall acted in an unwarranted and totalitarian manner without any sort of actual forethought or professinalism, I do not see how we can revers our position because we already pretty much destroyed it beyond belief. None of this had anything to do with the actual gutter."
Also I think you declaration that this was a decision from the sites owner is bunk. I'm not sure who it was but someone said earlier that Hannes usually works on second hand information. What is your response to accusations that this is just a case of biased opinions from Annorax and more likely extremeicon (who was coming under scrutiny for his alleged poor moderation) being all that was echoed in Hannes ear?
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I don't understand this thread. Why are the users of this forum entitled to the gutter? If the owner wants a part of his free to use website removed, so be it.
Considering the level to which this situation has gotten, I do not see what has been done being undone. Removing a forum is not something that is done lightly, and there is very little history of the staff changing its position once a conclusion has been reached.
I want people to keep in mind that the site's owner was involved in the ultimate decision. That alone makes the possibility of reversal nearly nil.
I don't understand. What 'level' did a discussion that the mods allowed and participated in without giving out any warnings or infractions get to that warranted this? I can't consider that, as you asked of the thread.
I would personally like a response to the bolden. By this I mean, I think you should rephrase the bolded as "Considering the level with which the staff mishandled this situation, tacitly supported double standards, and overall acted in an unwarranted and totalitarian manner without any sort of actual forethought or professinalism, I do not see how we can revers our position because we already pretty much destroyed it beyond belief. None of this had anything to do with the actual gutter."
Also I think you declaration that this was a decision from the sites owner is bunk. I'm not sure who it was but someone said earlier that Hannes usually works on second hand information. What is your response to accusations that this is just a case of biased opinions from Annorax and more likely extremeicon (who was coming under scrutiny for his alleged poor moderation) being all that was echoed in Hannes ear?
I am willing to bet that this is exactly what happened.
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For anyone who is curious to what Azrael is referring to, here is where a user originally appealed an infraction giving, and here is where Talore offered an alternative when he probably (I can't speak for Talore) realized that was the user's best chance to get the issue sorted.
With respect, the promise of resolution that was offered wasn't very reassuring. It took entirely too long to even get a clear "we're talking about this in private." The higher-level staff had an opportunity to get out in front of this situation well before it escalated to the point where it did, and that opportunity was missed.
^^This. Transparency, bilateral discussion, and the acceptance that perhaps this particular staff member is the one in the wrong are what appear to be necessary for a more just solution in this matter.
Yukora, that sounds pretty extreme. To me it seems like certain staff members were just waiting for a chance for the Gutter to participate in any community topic so they could use it as a springboard. I doubt there was any resolution to that issue that could have prevented the calling of said meeting/voting, and that's just not fair.
^^This also. There has to be a better solution.
Civil dissent that is brought on by injustice and double standards is not "drama" to be swept under the rug or dismissed simply because one party has all the power to do so. Sometimes those in power have to give the vocal minority an ear and consider they may be correct.
Honestly, think about it -- the Gutter was closed for a legitimate debate in a help desk. That's just absurd.
Agreed.
I guarantee this meeting would have happened regardless of the topic we participated in. Ultimately the entire Gutter was forbidden to take part in another community issue, or else this would happen. I am certain of that.
"Next time they call us out for something, we draw the line."
This is what I read from Yukora's comments as well. If it is the case, I also strongly disagree with how this decision was made.
I think that's being a bit too cynical about the decision-making process. I think two of our administrators were just extremely fatigued with repeatedly dealing with the concerns raised by the gutter. And they made a questionable judgment call.
The question becomes whether the concerns, repetitive or not, were legitimate. This, of course, is subjective and open to interpretation. Unfortunately it appears that the staff feels they must make what appears to be a show of force rather than address the offender in their midst and the concerns of the powerless minority (those wrongly "moderated") who are represented logically and vocally by the gutter members.
Given that we are all voluntarily here and subject to the rules for the forum, those in authority should demonstrate restraint and evenhandedness in their moderation duties just as we are required to be adult and mature in our decisions when actively participating in the public forums.
@Azrael: Moderators like you are an example of what moderation should be.
Basically, in the simplest of terms:
We argue for less A.
Your response is to give us some more A.
We still argue for less A.
You guys tell us we can't let things go.
Really?
@LogicX: When I'm at a computer where I can actually spend a larger amount of time, I will try to post all the discussions for you if you so please. I'm dead serious about not trying to have beef with any former/current gutter haters. This isn't what this is about.
Honestly, think about it -- the Gutter was closed for a legitimate debate in a help desk. That's just absurd.
I guarantee this meeting would have happened regardless of the topic we participated in. Ultimately the entire Gutter was forbidden to take part in another community issue, or else this would happen. I am certain of that.
"Next time they call us out for something, we draw the line."
I think that's being a bit too cynical about the decision-making process. I think two of our administrators were just extremely fatigued with repeatedly dealing with the concerns raised by the gutter. And they made a questionable judgment call.
I would like to add to this post both an agreement with its contents, and add in a point I made in this post, that is quite relevant. The entire tone of the post I've cited (obv not my own post, but the one I quote within) uses language that was only brought up by the admin in question. It is very hard to not feel cheated when the person you're disagreeing with chooses language that deliberately helps them make a case that wouldn't have been there without said language (drama, gang, railroad, etc). I am confident that no one else in this discussion saw themselves as inciting drama, or ganging up, or railroading anyone... but in one fell swoop extremeicon was able to label the entire thing in such a way that this new result now seems inevitable.
It would appear that people had been seeing only what they wanted to see for a while now, and because of that others are suffering.
The explosion that... destroyed our city, razed our home, and turned our fields into wasteland was nothing compared to what was now happening to those who survived.
You are correct. We still have a long way to go in properly handling complaints about the site and the people who run it. I am hoping to correct that now.
Yes, the issues that were raised have been around for some time, and they predate even the Mike Flores incident. Since then, the discussion has cme up several times, but this most recent incident was undoubtedly the catalyst that led to this decision.
I'm not going to speak about my personal opinion of various gutter members or of the gutter as a whole. I'm just trying to offer some clarity and transparency to the situation because we failed to do so form the beginning. If nothign else, I want to come out of this discussion with a general idea of how to improve the staff so that we never have to reach such an ultimate conclusion to a problem ever again.
As far as drama goes, I would have one point said that drama is a royal pain for the staff and it's our job to eliminate drama. I realized this year that site drama is a symptom of an issue and not an issue in and of itself. I want to become more efficient at preventing drama from the beginning rather than dealing with it after it has already happened. That may be a discussion for another time, though, as I know we must first resolve the current situation first.
The longer you hold a complaint, the longer an issue continues to fester. I cannot do anything to resolve problems if I am unaware that they exist in the first place.
I think there was a great failure on many levels, almost all of them staff-side, in this specific issue. The specifics related to this situation and where it "broke the camel's back" are bolded above.
I am reminded of the addage, "Two wrongs don't make a right." It was either that or, "Three lefts make a right."
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They made a judgment call my silencing the members' concerns. The gutter provided a place for MTGS members to air concerns about moderators that isn't deemed "okay" on the regular forum.
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Yanni summed it up best
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething SpicyThat's just my point though. This fatigue or weariness lends itself towards a bias, somewhat understandable I admit, but not to the point where even productive Gutter interference means an automatic review of its usefulness and ultimately a meeting to discuss its demise. I am saying that this sort of behavior is unfair and gives us no chance to fix our tarnished reputation. There is no way for us to approach the staff as a group without being viewed as a 'gang'.
That ain't right.
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The Gutter is/was a subforum that required user application and approval to view. User discussion was unimpeded by word filter and the only constant was that users lurk before posting and post content that was generally agreeable with the other active Gutter users while not breaking any laws, image leeching, or posting pornography of any sort.
Most discussion occurred in, "The Biggest Gutter Thread Ever," though smaller threads on more specific topics cropped up from time to time.
It was essentially WCT without a wordfilter. The nature of discussion in the Gutter has changed/evolved/devolved (perspective depending) over time, though the most common constant in discussion was link-and-discuss, which usually occurred with MTGS posts and threads. This includes instances of what users in the Gutter have deemed Moderator misconduct.
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I agree. Completely. I'm only saying I don't think the site admin were looking for an excuse to pull the trigger on the gutter. In their view, this was simply a straw that broke the camel's back.
The gutter is basically the a sub-forum that has minimal moderation where posters are evaluated on merit. If a poster doesn't contribute in a manner that improves the gutter then some combination of being berated by the members and/or banned by the mods would force them out, as opposed to the main site where the only thing that matters (but doesn't always matter) is following a set of rules.
Essentially, the gutter is what MTGSalvation would be if it were a meritocracy rather than an oligarchy.
Being a part of the gutter encouraged its members (outside of perhaps one baguy) to become better posters, and also to hold the rest of MTGSalvation to the meritocratic standards of the gutter. This might include such things as linking to threads where some posters are providing negative contributions to the site, and also critiquing the moderation staff of this site.
None of this was done in malice, but again in light of the meritocracy. The gutter holds no grudge with the moderation staff, but rather exists in the vein of making sure that they do their jobs well. Frankly, the shut down of the gutter, for reasons already provided, was a horrible moderation decision. It further cements the perceived double-standard that exists on MTGS where the moderators are allowed to use charged language and snark at whomever they desire, while the actions of many posters are analyzed without a shred of objectivity.
If by straw you mean a morsel of weightless pixie dust, then I guess I can understand the camel analogy, though not necessarily the poor things duress.
Is there any chance of reversing the shut-down of the Gutter, and by what means would that be achieved?
The question I am now asking considering their judgement was in question before this questionable judgement call, is how long are they going to be allowed to make questionable judgement call after questionable judgement call without ever being actually held accountable.
When it is said that the gutter is closed indefinitely, does that mean (as I believe it does) that there is not even an established criteria for reopening?
Considering the level to which this situation has gotten, I do not see what has been done being undone. Removing a forum is not something that is done lightly, and there is very little history of the staff changing its position once a conclusion has been reached.
I want people to keep in mind that the site's owner was involved in the ultimate decision. That alone makes the possibility of reversal nearly nil.
I would personally like a response to the bolden. By this I mean, I think you should rephrase the bolded as "Considering the level with which the staff mishandled this situation, tacitly supported double standards, and overall acted in an unwarranted and totalitarian manner without any sort of actual forethought or professinalism, I do not see how we can revers our position because we already pretty much destroyed it beyond belief. None of this had anything to do with the actual gutter."
Also I think you declaration that this was a decision from the sites owner is bunk. I'm not sure who it was but someone said earlier that Hannes usually works on second hand information. What is your response to accusations that this is just a case of biased opinions from Annorax and more likely extremeicon (who was coming under scrutiny for his alleged poor moderation) being all that was echoed in Hannes ear?
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I don't understand. What 'level' did a discussion that the mods allowed and participated in without giving out any warnings or infractions get to that warranted this? I can't consider that, as you asked of the thread.
I am willing to bet that this is exactly what happened.
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Thank you very much for helping us track this.
^^This. Transparency, bilateral discussion, and the acceptance that perhaps this particular staff member is the one in the wrong are what appear to be necessary for a more just solution in this matter.
^^This also. There has to be a better solution.
Civil dissent that is brought on by injustice and double standards is not "drama" to be swept under the rug or dismissed simply because one party has all the power to do so. Sometimes those in power have to give the vocal minority an ear and consider they may be correct.
Agreed.
This is what I read from Yukora's comments as well. If it is the case, I also strongly disagree with how this decision was made.
The question becomes whether the concerns, repetitive or not, were legitimate. This, of course, is subjective and open to interpretation. Unfortunately it appears that the staff feels they must make what appears to be a show of force rather than address the offender in their midst and the concerns of the powerless minority (those wrongly "moderated") who are represented logically and vocally by the gutter members.
Given that we are all voluntarily here and subject to the rules for the forum, those in authority should demonstrate restraint and evenhandedness in their moderation duties just as we are required to be adult and mature in our decisions when actively participating in the public forums.
@Azrael: Moderators like you are an example of what moderation should be.
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