You could inject a check system into the posting script.
If the forum ID is market street
..&& the poster ID is the thread creators ID
....&& a post here from that user ID exists which is less than 86400 seconds old
......pop VB error page "You may only post on your own trade thread every 24 hours."
Save mods work, saves people infractions.
The staff has repeatedly tried to find some kind of automated answer for this issue in the vBulletin software, even as far back as when I was on staff. It's just not possible with the current software, and the site owner has shown basically zero interest in switching to a different software.
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I am no longer on MTGS staff, so please don't contact me asking me to do staff things. :|
and the site owner has shown basically zero interest in switching to a different software.
Well, I can understand that. Migrating is absolutely horrendus, and VB really is one of the better platforms. Our VB forum has twice many features as our PHPBB forum. I have to code every other feature into our PHPBB =/ That is why it is free and VB is not.
I really can't believe this topic has lasted this long. I haven't bumped my post on a regular basis since I have started trading on here. If I or someone else really needs a card, we use the search function. More importantly than "post time" infractions, the mods here should test each users thread to make sure all users put in the [have][want] code. Wouldn't that be easier than checking each bumped thread to make sure it ain't less than 24hrs? If the [have][want] tag isn't there, the thread isn't allowed to be posted until it's fixed. I only look at lists if I can't find it through the search, and if I can't find it through the search I am more likely to trade locally or hit the LGS and pay.
Just my .02
-Jeff EDIT: Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't 99% of all Windows based computers use the Internet Time to keep the clock correct? I have noticed that there were some posts suggesting that there were time discrepancies, but I only see the discrepancies in a work/office environment where machines pull times from the local or centralized server. Please correct me if I am incorrect.
The 24 hour rule is a rule they need to enforce, because if they don't people will start disregarding it, then complain when they get warned, and user X Y and Z didn't.
What I find humorous is, I got a warning today for Spam in Market Street, almost 7 days after my post. The users first rule in his trade thread (which should count for something, its his thread?), is to not PM him, and to message him in his own thread. I follow the users request (his rules), and then get a warning.
The 24 hour rule is a rule they need to enforce, because if they don't people will start disregarding it, then complain when they get warned, and user X Y and Z didn't.
What I find humorous is, I got a warning today for Spam in Market Street, almost 7 days after my post. The users first rule in his trade thread (which should count for something, its his thread?), is to not PM him, and to message him in his own thread. I follow the users request (his rules), and then get a warning.
Well, the Market Street Rules say that they override any rules a user specifies in his or her thread:
4.7 Unless otherwise noted, all forum and Market Street rules supersede rules posted by traders or sellers/buyers. However, should both parties agree to the use of a set of rules via PM or post, the agreed upon terms may be used in lieu of the Market Street rules. The Market Street staff reserve the right to refuse enforcement of agreed upon rules at their discretion.
And they define when a post on a trade thread is spam:
4.15 Posts on other users' threads should contain the card(s) desired and the card(s) or price on offer. Inquiries that do not include this should be made via PM; problematic threads should be reported. Posts that do not conform to this rule will be moderated as spam.
I don't understand why some trade threads have rules against PMing them. Its the most direct way to speak with someone and get their attention when interested in trading.
Perhaps some see it as invasive or insist upon the free thread bump. Obviously its a preference but I've never been offended by recieving a PM.
Well, the Market Street Rules say that they override any rules a user specifies in his or her thread:
4.7 Unless otherwise noted, all forum and Market Street rules supersede rules posted by traders or sellers/buyers. However, should both parties agree to the use of a set of rules via PM or post, the agreed upon terms may be used in lieu of the Market Street rules. The Market Street staff reserve the right to refuse enforcement of agreed upon rules at their discretion.
And they define when a post on a trade thread is spam:
4.15 Posts on other users' threads should contain the card(s) desired and the card(s) or price on offer. Inquiries that do not include this should be made via PM; problematic threads should be reported. Posts that do not conform to this rule will be moderated as spam.
4.15 is a bad rule and needs to be fixed; not being able to ask for more specific information on a person's trade thread is a bad policy and causes problems down the line. (Set, condition, etc.) In addition, some people don't like to be PMed until a deal is close to official for various reasons, whether it b e mailbox spamming or whatever, and should have the right to that privacy.
Still don't see why that information can't be PM'd. What relevance does it have to be a post in a thread? Weather rule 4.15 is a bad rule or not, it's still a rule. What is so difficult in following rules? I just can't seem to wrap my head around why people need to contest rules. If you don't like the rules, just start your own forums with you own (or lack of) rules.
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The funniest thing about this particular signature is that by the time you realize it doesn't say anything it's too late to stop reading it....
I can say from experience that the rule Zak is referencing can easily lead to clogged up inboxes, and PMing several people regarding card conditions, especially if multiple people are asking about the same card(s), just takes more time than posting. I would much prefer simply being able to respond to each individual query with one combined post in my thread.
Is it a necessity to get changed? Not in the slightest. Would it make the trading experience slightly better for the majority? Very possible.
It's ok I got an infraction for using bolded red text in my trade thread for trying to make certain cards stand out, apparently I was abusing 'mod text'. The edit message that I received was something along the lines of 'Stop trying to act like a mod using bolded red text, this is real mod text. Infraction." I particularly love how he felt it necessary to show me and state to me what 'real mod text' was
So I scour the rest of the threads and report the other 3-4 people that are using bolded red text and low and behold they don't receive infractions.
So yeah, I would say there are some power abusing moderators in this forum, but then again isn't that the norm these days?
EDIT: Also, in case people were wondering I wasn't using mod tags, just normal bolded red text.
It's ok I got an infraction for using bolded red text in my trade thread for trying to make certain cards stand out, apparently I was abusing 'mod text'. The edit message that I received was something along the lines of 'Stop trying to act like a mod using bolded red text, this is real mod text. Infraction." I particularly love how he felt it necessary to show me and state to me what 'real mod text' was
So I scour the rest of the threads and report the other 3-4 people that are using bolded red text and low and behold they don't receive infractions.
So yeah, I would say there are some power abusing moderators in this forum, but then again isn't that the norm these days?
EDIT: Also, in case people were wondering I wasn't using mod tags, just normal bolded red text.
The text in the infractions given to you was:
Quote from November 2010 for using ModText »
You may not use bold red text. That is reserved for mods only.
Quote from November 2012 for Backseat Moderating »
Forum rules are quite clear on this.
Backseat Modding
If you see a post or thread that breaks the rules, hit the button. Don't lecture the person about their broken rule, don't say "This thread should be moved to ____," just report the post and be done with it.
You could have just as easily pm'd the other user with a friendly heads-up.
If you are going to say "Stop trying to act like a mod using bolded red text, this is real mod text. Infraction." I particularly love how he felt it necessary to show me and state to me what 'real mod text' was " I feel that it's necessary to properly represent the facts. The "mod tags" are just a way of creating a shortcut for us, but the end result is identical - Bold Red. The other infractions was an infractable offense at the time but has recently (January 2012) been changed. In both cases your posts went against the rules. Why are you using 18 month old infractions as examples of staff abuse in the current tense?
It is also worth noting that you haven't had ANY warnings or infractions since. You are active in Market Street still and don't have any issues at all.
I can say from experience that the rule Zak is referencing can easily lead to clogged up inboxes, and PMing several people regarding card conditions, especially if multiple people are asking about the same card(s), just takes more time than posting. I would much prefer simply being able to respond to each individual query with one combined post in my thread.
Is it a necessity to get changed? Not in the slightest. Would it make the trading experience slightly better for the majority? Very possible.
Basically this.
At the same time, I don't quite understand how something that is so relevant to the pricing of so many cards can be considered spam.
It takes less space in a database for someone to post on a thread asking than for multiple people to PM, as well. Not sure how relevant that is with Salvation's setup, but it is a thing.
It's not a rule that I'm asking about because I've broken it as much as it is common sense (at least to me).
The staff has repeatedly tried to find some kind of automated answer for this issue in the vBulletin software, even as far back as when I was on staff. It's just not possible with the current software, and the site owner has shown basically zero interest in switching to a different software.
Well, I can understand that. Migrating is absolutely horrendus, and VB really is one of the better platforms. Our VB forum has twice many features as our PHPBB forum. I have to code every other feature into our PHPBB =/ That is why it is free and VB is not.
My Buying Thread
Just my .02
-Jeff
EDIT: Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't 99% of all Windows based computers use the Internet Time to keep the clock correct? I have noticed that there were some posts suggesting that there were time discrepancies, but I only see the discrepancies in a work/office environment where machines pull times from the local or centralized server. Please correct me if I am incorrect.
The funniest thing about this particular signature is that by the time you realize it doesn't say anything it's too late to stop reading it....
The 24 hour rule is a rule they need to enforce, because if they don't people will start disregarding it, then complain when they get warned, and user X Y and Z didn't.
What I find humorous is, I got a warning today for Spam in Market Street, almost 7 days after my post. The users first rule in his trade thread (which should count for something, its his thread?), is to not PM him, and to message him in his own thread. I follow the users request (his rules), and then get a warning.
WBG Karador GBW
R Daretti R
RG Omnath GR
WRG Modern Burn GRW
WB Modern Tokens BW
DCI Rules Advisor as of 5/18/2015
Well, the Market Street Rules say that they override any rules a user specifies in his or her thread:
And they define when a post on a trade thread is spam:
Perhaps some see it as invasive or insist upon the free thread bump. Obviously its a preference but I've never been offended by recieving a PM.
My Buying Thread
4.15 is a bad rule and needs to be fixed; not being able to ask for more specific information on a person's trade thread is a bad policy and causes problems down the line. (Set, condition, etc.) In addition, some people don't like to be PMed until a deal is close to official for various reasons, whether it b e mailbox spamming or whatever, and should have the right to that privacy.
EDH Decks:
RBG Kresh, the Bloodbraided RBG
GW Rhys, the Redeemed GW
Legacy:
RGW Enchantress RGW
Just wondering why you or anyone would want trade details public?
-Jeff
The funniest thing about this particular signature is that by the time you realize it doesn't say anything it's too late to stop reading it....
There's a difference between trade details being public and someone asking for more information about a card.
EDH Decks:
RBG Kresh, the Bloodbraided RBG
GW Rhys, the Redeemed GW
Legacy:
RGW Enchantress RGW
The funniest thing about this particular signature is that by the time you realize it doesn't say anything it's too late to stop reading it....
Is it a necessity to get changed? Not in the slightest. Would it make the trading experience slightly better for the majority? Very possible.
So I scour the rest of the threads and report the other 3-4 people that are using bolded red text and low and behold they don't receive infractions.
So yeah, I would say there are some power abusing moderators in this forum, but then again isn't that the norm these days?
EDIT: Also, in case people were wondering I wasn't using mod tags, just normal bolded red text.
EDH
U Azami, Lady of Scrolls
GBGlissa, the Traitor
Modern
X Affinity
EDH
BUGTasigur, the Golden Fang (French 1v1)
Modern
RWG Burn
The text in the infractions given to you was:
It is also worth noting that you haven't had ANY warnings or infractions since. You are active in Market Street still and don't have any issues at all.
WUBRGPauper Battle BoxWUBRG ... and why I am not a fan of Wayne Reynolds' Illustrations.
Basically this.
At the same time, I don't quite understand how something that is so relevant to the pricing of so many cards can be considered spam.
Things that happened in my last thread, for example (ref: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=403201): Clearly spam. Asking conditions/editions on cards: relevant to the thread, not spam
It takes less space in a database for someone to post on a thread asking than for multiple people to PM, as well. Not sure how relevant that is with Salvation's setup, but it is a thing.
It's not a rule that I'm asking about because I've broken it as much as it is common sense (at least to me).
EDH Decks:
RBG Kresh, the Bloodbraided RBG
GW Rhys, the Redeemed GW
Legacy:
RGW Enchantress RGW