1. "Two normal, non-staff users"? You were staff until recently, and I seem to have this idea that CorpT was, at least at some point. (And I could be wrong about that, but absolutely sure about you.) So, again, not well-known.
2. I didn't think of it? I figured that people were just busy and didn't have the time to do it, or didn't want to, or whatever. I also only noticed she was demodded yesterday. Cut me a little slack, man.
3. Why the attitude, for real? I made a suggestion and you flew off the handle at me over NOTHING. Seriously, maybe it's better that you're just a normal, non-staff user at this point. You've got a lot of anger there, dude. Take it easy.
1. I'm not a staff member. Neither is CorpT. Not sure what your point is here.
2. You complained about an issue and asked why it wasn't addressed. I asked you if you had done anything to bring it to the attention of the staff. How am I not "cutting you some slack"?
3. What attitude? Flew off the handle? Anger? You complained; I answered and asked follow-up questions.
You don't have to (and indeed should not) call people out publicly. That's why the Staff Inbox and the private message system are available. As I pointed out above, unprofessional conduct or communication is prohibited by the Staff Code of Conduct and should be reported (in private) to the senior staff. Complaining about vague issues in the abstract while simultaneously doing nothing to communicate the necessary details to the people who can improve the situation is meaningless.
My point is a person can follow the letter of the law and not be welcoming. You can be professional and still be a dick. The personality selection process is questionable.
My point is a person can follow the letter of the law and not be welcoming. You can be professional and still be a dick. The personality selection process is questionable.
Could you provide a (hypothetical) example of how a person can be professional while being a dick? Those two are mutually exclusive in my understanding of the terms.
Could you provide a (hypothetical) example of how a person can be professional while being a dick? Those two are mutually exclusive in my understanding of the terms.
Indeed, which is why it's addressed in the Code of Conduct (emphasis mine):
Quote from MTGS Staff Code of Conduct »
Communication: Be Professional
Be a good representative of the site. It is expected that staff are familiar with all the rules in forums where they post. Again, staff should be a model for regular users to follow.
Keep mod text short and on-point. Do not use condescending or humiliating modtext, regardless of the content of the moderated post. For example, when issuing a flame infraction, "Grow up. Infraction issued" is inappropriate; instead, "Infraction for flaming issued" is ideal. When moderating a friend, staff are still expected to keep it professional; other users may see these interactions without that context.
If a user sends a staff member an offensive PM, they should not respond in kind. If a response is warranted, that response should stay on point and remain professional – do not fight fire with fire. In the case of abusive PMs, forward the issue to a senior staff member.
Avoid public bickering. This only damages the staff reputation. Especially, twists between staff should be solved in the Mod Lounge or in private. In the open, staff should remain cool and collected, even when they vehemently disagree with another user or staff member.
No hate speech. This refers to statements that threaten, ridicule or hold in contempt a user or group as distinguished by color, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation. Staff are expressly forbidden from engaging in this behavior on MTG Salvation. This does not include interactions between close social groups (ie; friends) in an appropriate setting (such as the Gutter). This is primarily concerned with users outside such a group and/or setting, as well as engaging in such behavior towards users who may be potentially unaware of the non-malicious intent.
I support Viricide in this debate. He is truly just responding neutrally
If you mean neutral in the D&D alignment sense, I'd agree.
For the record, Viricide, I mentioned it here because, initially, I felt it was on topic, and no one has pointed out otherwise. I kept at it only because two former staff members pointed it out, and it piqued my curiosity, again conforming with the discussion at this time in this thread, and my previous post.
Your response to that was rather harsh, and dishonest in spirit. I don't know why you've chosen me to act this way towards, but I do not appreciate it and will discuss this no further with you unless you return to talking to me with a little less sneer on.
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Indeed, which is why it's addressed in the Code of Conduct (emphasis mine):
I understand that, yet I would contend that some mods and ex-mods are capable of walking that line and making the site unwelcoming.
Also relevant is post history: Some mods/ex-mods were chosen despite having personalities that clearly indulge in being unwelcoming. Regardless of their history as mods, it calls into question the selection process.
If other people think I'm out in left field here, call me on it.
2. Too much pandering to small groups of users, despite touting MTGS as a forum for everyone.
I'm specifically talking about the guys in the Competitive Standard forum and the citizens of the Gutter. I can't believe the admins let a bunch of FNM players dictate what should and should not be in the Competitive forum. The only good change to the Competitive forum is the harsher punishments for budget talk and other violations. The fact that Standard Deck Creation is seperate from Competitive means that many of the users in SDC will never be exposed to competitive strategies and key card discussions. There is Developing Competitive but I have a strong feeling that what goes in there is largely up to the people in charge of that forum and so entirely subjective.
I feel I should reply to this specific part, as I am a Standard mod. We created the Competitive Standard user group as a way to help eliminate budget talk and competitive stifling discussion in the competitive forums, something we could not do before the new rules. For example, before we created the user group, there was a thread in the Wolf Run subforum about whether or not the deck should play Spinebiter. Under the current rules, I, nor any mod, could remove the thread or warn the user. All the thread did was push actual discussion down the page, and stifle competitive discussion.
I should note, it is not hard to become a "Competitive User". We accept every application as long as you have not been removed previously (and, as of this time, we have not had to).
As for the separation of SDC and Competitive, this has always been separated, even before the new User Group. Also, anyone can view the Competitive forum, just not post. So finding about new tech being discussed there is hardly limited information.
As for Developing, if you read the Developing Competitive rules, you will see any "Competitive User" can make a thread there, provide the archetype they are promoting has a primer in the OP. The mods do not control what stays and what goes as long as the deck has a primer attached to it.
If you mean neutral in the D&D alignment sense, I'd agree.
For the record, Viricide, I mentioned it here because, initially, I felt it was on topic, and no one has pointed out otherwise. I kept at it only because two former staff members pointed it out, and it piqued my curiosity, again conforming with the discussion at this time in this thread, and my previous post.
Your response to that was rather harsh, and dishonest in spirit. I don't know why you've chosen me to act this way towards, but I do not appreciate it and will discuss this no further with you unless you return to talking to me with a little less sneer on.
I'd like to point out a few things:
Being former staff means nothing. you think ( N_S ), Kijin, and GR see eye to eye with current staff, or are supporting of many/most of their actions?
Viricide has been nothing but amicable and to the point. If you are confusing bluntness with arrogance or condescension, that is your problem as a reader, not his as a poster.
I guess OP wants it to be 'keyworded' like "dies" was. What word would you replace ETB with though?
When Aegis Angel is born?
When Huntmaster of the Fells arrives?
When Kitchen Sphinx lands?
When Faerie Imposter busts in?
When Dread Cacodemon pops in?
When Malfegor shows up?
I understand that, yet I would contend that some mods and ex-mods are capable of walking that line and making the site unwelcoming.
Also relevant is post history: Some mods/ex-mods were chosen despite having personalities that clearly indulge in being unwelcoming. Regardless of their history as mods, it calls into question the selection process.
If other people think I'm out in left field here, call me on it.
I absolutely see where you're coming from, which is why I don't understand your reluctance to take any steps that could actually address the problem. Making vague complaints in a random CI thread will only get your concerns dismissed as "nonsense" from a "vocal minority" that "hates the staff". If you see problems and actually want them to be addressed, you need to do three things:
1. Be direct with your complaints; contact senior staff members individually.
2. Be specific with your complaints; name names and point to specific problems.
3. Be supported by facts; provide evidence in the form of quotations or links.
If you do those things, you might be surprised at how eager to help and respond the senior staff can be.
If you mean neutral in the D&D alignment sense, I'd agree.
For the record, Viricide, I mentioned it here because, initially, I felt it was on topic, and no one has pointed out otherwise. I kept at it only because two former staff members pointed it out, and it piqued my curiosity, again conforming with the discussion at this time in this thread, and my previous post.
Your response to that was rather harsh, and dishonest in spirit. I don't know why you've chosen me to act this way towards, but I do not appreciate it and will discuss this no further with you unless you return to talking to me with a little less sneer on.
I really don't see your point here, but apparently you've moved on. Good to know.
You're a rather unpleasant fellow to talk with, aren't you, Viricide.
I've never been told that before. Thank you for the feedback; if you have suggestions for ways that I could improve, I'd appreciate it if you could relay those to me (for example, via PM). I look forward to hearing more from you.
I'd like to point out a few things:
Being former staff means nothing. you think ( N_S ), Kijin, and GR see eye to eye with current staff, or are supporting of many/most of their actions?
Viricide has been nothing but amicable and to the point. If you are confusing bluntness with arrogance or condescension, that is your problem as a reader, not his as a poster.
Being former staff means something in the context of the conversation. He said he is a non-staff user. While this is true, he WAS staff up until very recently, which makes him former staff, not non-staff. Given the discussion was over how well-known a staff decision was, that was made while he was on staff, it's dishonest in spirit to not acknowledge that.
I am uncertain about CorpT's exact time on staff; he also did not engage me in an aggressive manner after thanking him for pointing me in the right direction. So I haven't had anything more to say to him.
And, apparently, I'm not the only one who doesn't think Viricide is being "neutral" or "blunt" in this matter.
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Being former staff means something in the context of the conversation. He said he is a non-staff user. While this is true, he WAS staff up until very recently, which makes him former staff, not non-staff. Given the discussion was over how well-known a staff decision was, that was made while he was on staff, it's dishonest in spirit to not acknowledge that.
MandersHex was removed from the staff after I quit, not before. In addition, changes to the staff are recorded only in the CI thread, not in the moderator lounge, so staff have no "extra" knowledge of such changes. Nothing dishonest here. Edit: This point is irrelevant, as revealed here; redacting the distracting portion. I don't know why you've been reacting so; I'm simply trying to point out relevant facts.
@ Viricide: I appreciate your questions in this thread. If I see something that flagrantly violates CoC I might report it, but I am not even certain I would be comfortable doing that. "Tone" is a nebulous quality, and if I don't have a clear CoC violation, it isn't useful to report. That said, it should be integral to the selection process.
I realize a suggestion "pick friendly mods" isn't very specific, but I think selecting leaders with an empathetic understanding of tone is a basic management tool this site traditionally lacks. MTGS needs people that understand how to communicate well with people.
MandersHex was removed from the staff after I quit, not before. In addition, changes to the staff are recorded only in the CI thread, not in the moderator lounge, so staff have no "extra" knowledge of such changes. Nothing dishonest here.
I've been referring all this time to the location of the staff change information, NOT MandersHex's specific termination.
Hence why I continue to refer to you as former staff in that matter. It was only her termination that led me to look for that information. EDIT: And, when it was unclear where any of that information has been going for the last three months, I figured I'd ask.
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Being former staff means something in the context of the conversation. He said he is a non-staff user. While this is true, he WAS staff up until very recently, which makes him former staff, not non-staff. Given the discussion was over how well-known a staff decision was, that was made while he was on staff, it's dishonest in spirit to not acknowledge that.
No it doesn't.
I have never been on staff here. I have opinions that both agree and disagree with those of the staff.
Viricide has been on staff here. He has opinions that both agree and disagree with those of the staff.
You have never been on staff here. You have opinions that both agree and disagree with those of the staff.
See how this works?
Except that even that is a flawed comparison, because 'the staff' doesn't have one set of opinions. Sene and Nai and ISBPathfinder and Arcadic and Galspanic all have different opinions of what is correct/right for the site. Each of them probably agrees with you on some things, and each probably disagrees with you on others. Being or having been a member of 'the staff' has nothing to do with ones opinions. It doesn't make someone a sheeple out to rule the forum, marching in step behind the iron fist of Ria (as some users would have you believe). It makes you a devoted member who puts in more time that you (or I) can or care to. They should be respected for that, if absolutely nothing else.
I am uncertain about CorpT's exact time on staff; he also did not engage me in an aggressive manner after thanking him for pointing me in the right direction. So I haven't had anything more to say to him.
And, apparently, I'm not the only one who doesn't think Viricide is being "neutral" or "blunt" in this matter.
You are correct, now point out where he was condescending or insulting you, as if I tried to do the opposite (point out where he wasn't doing just that), I'd probably get infracted for trolling.
I guess OP wants it to be 'keyworded' like "dies" was. What word would you replace ETB with though?
When Aegis Angel is born?
When Huntmaster of the Fells arrives?
When Kitchen Sphinx lands?
When Faerie Imposter busts in?
When Dread Cacodemon pops in?
When Malfegor shows up?
@ Viricide: I appreciate your questions in this thread. If I see something that flagrantly violates CoC I might report it, but I am not even certain I would be comfortable doing that. "Tone" is a nebulous quality, and if I don't have a clear CoC violation, it isn't useful to report. That said, it should be integral to the selection process.
I realize a suggestion "pick friendly mods" isn't very specific, but I think selecting leaders with an empathetic understanding of tone is a basic management tool this site traditionally lacks. MTGS needs people that understand how to communicate well with people.
Anyway, just $.02.
I see where you're coming from, and indeed tone is a difficult thing to define, and an even more difficult thing to subject people to discipline for. The important thing I was trying to get across was the "be specific" message. More than anything else, my time on staff taught me that direct, specific, and reasonable complaints are infinitely more helpful and pleasant to deal with for all parties.
I'm not sure what your game is, dude (Glimyrpost). Read my last post, and see if that doesn't clear things up some. Apparently, you are either not understanding me, or you're trolling. Either way, let's calm down here.
EDIT: Apology accepted, Viricide. You got to it while I was getting to this.
I'm not sure what your game is, dude. Read my last post, and see if that doesnt clear things up some. Apparently, the two of you are either not understanding me, or you're trolling. Either way, let's calm down here.
Saw it after I posted, which basically invalidates what I said
Pray continue, I'll just skulk out the back, quietly.
I guess OP wants it to be 'keyworded' like "dies" was. What word would you replace ETB with though?
When Aegis Angel is born?
When Huntmaster of the Fells arrives?
When Kitchen Sphinx lands?
When Faerie Imposter busts in?
When Dread Cacodemon pops in?
When Malfegor shows up?
I'm not sure what your game is, dude. Read my last post, and see if that doesnt clear things up some. Apparently, the two of you are either not understanding me, or you're trolling. Either way, let's calm down here.
Agreed, actually.
@Glimmyrpost: I think you've misinterpreted what g.o.c. has posted; I don't think his point was that staff members all believes the same things, but rather that staff members are more likely to be aware of site policies, which should be true.
@god of cyanide: More comprehensive apologies. My point was really just meant to answer your questions. You asked why the information about site issues wasn't more well known, and I replied that, based on my experience, it was well known to the general users. I wasn't trying to troll, flame, condescend, etc.; I was simply trying to relay information. It was meant to be "Hey, that's a good question; have you tried reporting the post?" rather than "Stop being an idiot and report the post, newb.". Unfortunately, tone is difficult to interpret here (nod to ludd gang on that one). I apologize that my brevity hindered that attempt.
Edit: Epic combination of nath'ing and editing. all around.
@Glimmyrpost: I think you've misinterpreted what g.o.c. has posted; I don't think his point was that staff members all believes the same things, but rather that staff members are more likely to be aware of site policies, which should be true.
That is indeed what happened, I did realize that that was a possibility, but hastiness took priority one, which it shouldn't, hence my previous post.
I guess OP wants it to be 'keyworded' like "dies" was. What word would you replace ETB with though?
When Aegis Angel is born?
When Huntmaster of the Fells arrives?
When Kitchen Sphinx lands?
When Faerie Imposter busts in?
When Dread Cacodemon pops in?
When Malfegor shows up?
I don't think it was so much your brevity as the fact that the misunderstanding was clouding things.
My issue this whole time, from my initial post, is that staff changes in general should be open information. I had found the Special Occasions thread months ago, and was glad it existed. If I saw someone had been promoted to moderator, I was going there to keep up. But I wasn't going crazy over it, so I forgot about it for a while. When I saw MH's demodding, I wanted to find out what happened, so I went to that thread, only to find the information not there, no posts for months, and no mention of a new location for that info. That's not very transparent. Again, it was MH's case that called attention to the problem; no offense to MH, but I'm not going to judge why she was demodded, I just wanted to know. When I couldn't find out, and since we were having discussions on transparency, I figured I'd come here.
And somehow, it became all about her demodding when that was only what called my attention to the lack of transparency (from my perspective), being that a sticky thread existed to disseminate such information, was not in use, and there was no "forwarding address".
Now, all three of us (Glimyrpost, Viricide, and myself) should be crystal clear after two pages of BS.
God I love this place.
EDIT: Just read Viricide's edit. Tone is impossible to perceive on the Internet, and leads to so many dumb issues (cf. last two pages of us yapping). I tend to overuse smileys to insure that my tone is somewhat clearer to the reader... But, that's just me.
I don't think it was so much your brevity as the fact that the misunderstanding was clouding things.
My issue this whole time, from my initial post, is that staff changes in general should be open information. I had found the Special Occasions thread months ago, and was glad it existed. If I saw someone had been promoted to moderator, I was going there to keep up. But I wasn't going crazy over it, so I forgot about it for a while. When I saw MH's demodding, I wanted to find out what happened, so I went to that thread, only to find the information not there, no posts for months, and no mention of a new location for that info. That's not very transparent. Again, it was MH's case that called attention to the problem; no offense to MH, but I'm not going to judge why she was demodded, I just wanted to know. When I couldn't find out, and since we were having discussions on transparency, I figured I'd come here.
And somehow, it became all about her demodding when that was only what called my attention to the lack of transparency (from my perspective), being that a sticky thread existed to disseminate such information, was not in use, and there was no "forwarding address".
Now, all three of us (Glimyrpost, Viricide, and myself) should be crystal clear after two pages of BS.
God I love this place.
mmm, that makes sense. And, on the bright side, the original issue has been resolved as well!
Hopefully Ral Zareck will respond to my PM asking for suggestions to improve my communication.
1. I'm not a staff member. Neither is CorpT. Not sure what your point is here.
2. You complained about an issue and asked why it wasn't addressed. I asked you if you had done anything to bring it to the attention of the staff. How am I not "cutting you some slack"?
3. What attitude? Flew off the handle? Anger? You complained; I answered and asked follow-up questions.
My point is a person can follow the letter of the law and not be welcoming. You can be professional and still be a dick. The personality selection process is questionable.
I support Viricide in this debate. He is truly just responding neutrally
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Could you provide a (hypothetical) example of how a person can be professional while being a dick? Those two are mutually exclusive in my understanding of the terms.
Arrogant tone is a big one.
Indeed, which is why it's addressed in the Code of Conduct (emphasis mine):
For the record, Viricide, I mentioned it here because, initially, I felt it was on topic, and no one has pointed out otherwise. I kept at it only because two former staff members pointed it out, and it piqued my curiosity, again conforming with the discussion at this time in this thread, and my previous post.
Your response to that was rather harsh, and dishonest in spirit. I don't know why you've chosen me to act this way towards, but I do not appreciate it and will discuss this no further with you unless you return to talking to me with a little less sneer on.
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I understand that, yet I would contend that some mods and ex-mods are capable of walking that line and making the site unwelcoming.
Also relevant is post history: Some mods/ex-mods were chosen despite having personalities that clearly indulge in being unwelcoming. Regardless of their history as mods, it calls into question the selection process.
If other people think I'm out in left field here, call me on it.
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I feel I should reply to this specific part, as I am a Standard mod. We created the Competitive Standard user group as a way to help eliminate budget talk and competitive stifling discussion in the competitive forums, something we could not do before the new rules. For example, before we created the user group, there was a thread in the Wolf Run subforum about whether or not the deck should play Spinebiter. Under the current rules, I, nor any mod, could remove the thread or warn the user. All the thread did was push actual discussion down the page, and stifle competitive discussion.
I should note, it is not hard to become a "Competitive User". We accept every application as long as you have not been removed previously (and, as of this time, we have not had to).
As for the separation of SDC and Competitive, this has always been separated, even before the new User Group. Also, anyone can view the Competitive forum, just not post. So finding about new tech being discussed there is hardly limited information.
As for Developing, if you read the Developing Competitive rules, you will see any "Competitive User" can make a thread there, provide the archetype they are promoting has a primer in the OP. The mods do not control what stays and what goes as long as the deck has a primer attached to it.
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I'd like to point out a few things:
Being former staff means nothing. you think ( N_S ), Kijin, and GR see eye to eye with current staff, or are supporting of many/most of their actions?
Viricide has been nothing but amicable and to the point. If you are confusing bluntness with arrogance or condescension, that is your problem as a reader, not his as a poster.
I absolutely see where you're coming from, which is why I don't understand your reluctance to take any steps that could actually address the problem. Making vague complaints in a random CI thread will only get your concerns dismissed as "nonsense" from a "vocal minority" that "hates the staff". If you see problems and actually want them to be addressed, you need to do three things:
1. Be direct with your complaints; contact senior staff members individually.
2. Be specific with your complaints; name names and point to specific problems.
3. Be supported by facts; provide evidence in the form of quotations or links.
If you do those things, you might be surprised at how eager to help and respond the senior staff can be.
I really don't see your point here, but apparently you've moved on. Good to know.
I've never been told that before. Thank you for the feedback; if you have suggestions for ways that I could improve, I'd appreciate it if you could relay those to me (for example, via PM). I look forward to hearing more from you.
I am uncertain about CorpT's exact time on staff; he also did not engage me in an aggressive manner after thanking him for pointing me in the right direction. So I haven't had anything more to say to him.
And, apparently, I'm not the only one who doesn't think Viricide is being "neutral" or "blunt" in this matter.
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And if I've offended you, I'm sorry, but maybe you need to be offended. But here's my apology and one more thing...
MandersHex was removed from the staff after I quit, not before. In addition, changes to the staff are recorded only in the CI thread, not in the moderator lounge, so staff have no "extra" knowledge of such changes. Nothing dishonest here.Edit: This point is irrelevant, as revealed here; redacting the distracting portion. I don't know why you've been reacting so; I'm simply trying to point out relevant facts.I realize a suggestion "pick friendly mods" isn't very specific, but I think selecting leaders with an empathetic understanding of tone is a basic management tool this site traditionally lacks. MTGS needs people that understand how to communicate well with people.
Anyway, just $.02.
Hence why I continue to refer to you as former staff in that matter. It was only her termination that led me to look for that information. EDIT: And, when it was unclear where any of that information has been going for the last three months, I figured I'd ask.
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No it doesn't.
I have never been on staff here. I have opinions that both agree and disagree with those of the staff.
Viricide has been on staff here. He has opinions that both agree and disagree with those of the staff.
You have never been on staff here. You have opinions that both agree and disagree with those of the staff.
See how this works?
Except that even that is a flawed comparison, because 'the staff' doesn't have one set of opinions. Sene and Nai and ISBPathfinder and Arcadic and Galspanic all have different opinions of what is correct/right for the site. Each of them probably agrees with you on some things, and each probably disagrees with you on others. Being or having been a member of 'the staff' has nothing to do with ones opinions. It doesn't make someone a sheeple out to rule the forum, marching in step behind the iron fist of Ria (as some users would have you believe). It makes you a devoted member who puts in more time that you (or I) can or care to. They should be respected for that, if absolutely nothing else.
You are correct, now point out where he was condescending or insulting you, as if I tried to do the opposite (point out where he wasn't doing just that), I'd probably get infracted for trolling.
Ah, my mistake; apologies for that misunderstanding.
EDIT: Apology accepted, Viricide. You got to it while I was getting to this.
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Saw it after I posted, which basically invalidates what I said
Pray continue, I'll just skulk out the back, quietly.
Agreed, actually.
@Glimmyrpost: I think you've misinterpreted what g.o.c. has posted; I don't think his point was that staff members all believes the same things, but rather that staff members are more likely to be aware of site policies, which should be true.
@god of cyanide: More comprehensive apologies. My point was really just meant to answer your questions. You asked why the information about site issues wasn't more well known, and I replied that, based on my experience, it was well known to the general users. I wasn't trying to troll, flame, condescend, etc.; I was simply trying to relay information. It was meant to be "Hey, that's a good question; have you tried reporting the post?" rather than "Stop being an idiot and report the post, newb.". Unfortunately, tone is difficult to interpret here (nod to ludd gang on that one). I apologize that my brevity hindered that attempt.
Edit: Epic combination of nath'ing and editing. all around.
That is indeed what happened, I did realize that that was a possibility, but hastiness took priority one, which it shouldn't, hence my previous post.
My issue this whole time, from my initial post, is that staff changes in general should be open information. I had found the Special Occasions thread months ago, and was glad it existed. If I saw someone had been promoted to moderator, I was going there to keep up. But I wasn't going crazy over it, so I forgot about it for a while. When I saw MH's demodding, I wanted to find out what happened, so I went to that thread, only to find the information not there, no posts for months, and no mention of a new location for that info. That's not very transparent. Again, it was MH's case that called attention to the problem; no offense to MH, but I'm not going to judge why she was demodded, I just wanted to know. When I couldn't find out, and since we were having discussions on transparency, I figured I'd come here.
And somehow, it became all about her demodding when that was only what called my attention to the lack of transparency (from my perspective), being that a sticky thread existed to disseminate such information, was not in use, and there was no "forwarding address".
Now, all three of us (Glimyrpost, Viricide, and myself) should be crystal clear after two pages of BS.
God I love this place.
EDIT: Just read Viricide's edit. Tone is impossible to perceive on the Internet, and leads to so many dumb issues (cf. last two pages of us yapping). I tend to overuse smileys to insure that my tone is somewhat clearer to the reader... But, that's just me.
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And if I've offended you, I'm sorry, but maybe you need to be offended. But here's my apology and one more thing...
mmm, that makes sense. And, on the bright side, the original issue has been resolved as well!
Hopefully Ral Zareck will respond to my PM asking for suggestions to improve my communication.
I agree completely
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