I'm not sure if this has set in yet, but Kenji is most likely definately town. It's EXTREMELY unlikely that he's scum. Lynching him now is a BAD IDEA. Infact, i'll Vote: Kingcobweb for suggesting that. PF, i believe at least, has about a 50/50 chance of being either a restricted townie (most likely Zaphod) or a mafiaso that's using a fake restriction to "clear" himself.
Well, okay then. I said myself I didn't know if it was a good or bad idea; and I realize now why it would be bad.
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1)Kenji suggests that if I cannot talk about my post restriction I vote for him.
2)Per rule 5 (not being able to talk about my post restriction) I vote for him.
3)You guys jump on my back about it.
Lawyers have a name for this. It's called entrapment.
king: It's certainly possible you missed the brief dialogue between Kenji and me. As far as I'm concerned, Kenji is town, and therefore what you are suggesting is ludicrous. FOS kingcobweb. You're being silly. And just call me Falcon instead of this genie in a bottle of Soilent Green nonsense. unvote Bluesoul
Well, Peratrooper, I'm sorry for misinterpreting what you said/did. I apologize.
Yo Eddy: do you know what people's roles do, or what the names of them are? If your scumdar system is jammed, how do you know Kenji is town?
Yo Eddy: do you know what people's roles do, or what the names of them are? If your scumdar system is jammed, how do you know Kenji is town?
"Roles? I don't know what you're talking about, buddy."
[OOC]As much fun as it is to roleplay Eddy, any inconsistencies that arise from having him act as a source of mod information ought to be ignored. Eddy is clueless, I'm afraid.[/OOC]
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Az... if you can, plz post. Even if it's just a "I'm here" post. We've all seen you lurking the thread. If you CAN'T post, don't worry about it, i don't think we're gonna lynch you today. But if you just haven't because you've been busy, please just post, even if it's just a sentence or two.
Bothering the mod about Kenji's innocence is not going to end well. If he's innocent he's innocent. Thou shallt not test the lord thy mod, or something. If we can't take the mod at his word, we've got problems that destroy the game. Therefore we should give eddy a break unless we have an official problem, like say a request to prod Azrael if he doesn't show up today. Fos: Kingcobweb for continuing to distort the issue via Eddy after carrionpidgeons made it perfectly clear that wouldn't help. Are you trying to act suspicous?:eyebrow:
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Az... if you can, plz post. Even if it's just a "I'm here" post. We've all seen you lurking the thread. If you CAN'T post, don't worry about it, i don't think we're gonna lynch you today. But if you just haven't because you've been busy, please just post, even if it's just a sentence or two.
I'd be ok with a lynch. So don't get complacent Azrael.
Abandon Hope, I don't think that we're going to get anywhere with an Azrael lynch. If he does not post tomorrow, we can always modprod and then find a replacement. For all we know, he could not be allowed to post on odd-numbered days or something like that. There is another time for this matter, and it is not now.
kingcob, your defense at the top of the page seems strange
of course its a bad idea to lynch someone confirmed by the mod, without confirmation otherwise
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What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Whichever it is, Kenji is either almost totally cleared, or still up in the air.
is "pushing to discredit your townieness"? First off, it has only been recently made clear that Eddy is just a mouthpiece for the mod, and not simply an NPC. Before that was clarified, I was not about to take the word of an NPC played by the mod on faith after reading Sin City. I'll admit that you are probably about 90% clear at this point, but that is only after CP revealed that he's simply using Eddy as a way to give his posts flavor.
I will Unvote Peregrine Falcon since he has let up on his attack on Bluesoul, but I will keep an FOS PF. Gotta go to class now.
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I suggest, as a way to force conversation, and give us information (no matter how useless it is) we play Truth or Dare.
Someone starts and asks another player truth or dare, they respond, and he either asks a question or makes them do an action. Then that person gets to repeat w/ someone else.
At the very least this will encourage posting, and at the most it will catch someone in a lie... or stop lurkers.
I feel that truth or dare is a bad plan. If a question is asked of a lurker, then they just won't respond and the thread will stop moving until someone else steps in and then we're back where we started with talking about lurkers.
I also feel there is no merit in debating Kenji's towniness. Short of lynching him, it won't prove anything. I would however suggest any cops we have to target him tonight so that they can measure their sanity.
While day one almost certainly will end up lynching a townie (law of probability), it shouldn't be a totally random lynch. I would say give Azrael 24 hours IRL to post something in this thread as he was busy with Sin City ending and all.
Judging by CPs statement of impending prod and the fact that anyone who has been nerfed (can't post at all) is usually announced by the mod, I would say that it is not a restriction that is causing Az to not post.
"Hey guys, my name is Eddy and I'll be your host for the evening. Interesting trivia question to start the day with. Did you know that this guy is innocent?" A display of Kenji, standing in his room, appears on a screen.
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[OOC]As much fun as it is to roleplay Eddy, any inconsistencies that arise from having him act as a source of mod information ought to be ignored. Eddy is clueless, I'm afraid.[/OOC]
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Machin Shin and kingcobweb: It is not Eddy confirming me, it is the mod...
You can always trust the mod, why? Because if you couldn't the whole game breaks down.
What was that? That certainly was Eddy, who, as the mod himself says, is "clueless" and- well, just read the rest of the quote yourself. Others may disagree with me, but I do not consider Kenji to be a confirmed townie at this point.
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Actually, lynching a mod cleared person is a good idea... if your a mafiaso. Thus my vote on kcw.
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I suggest, as a way to force conversation, and give us information (no matter how useless it is) we play Truth or Dare.
Someone starts and asks another player truth or dare, they respond, and he either asks a question or makes them do an action. Then that person gets to repeat w/ someone else.
At the very least this will encourage posting, and at the most it will catch someone in a lie... or stop lurkers.
If this a good idea or a bad idea?
This seems like a really good idea if we want to randomly fish around, helping the scum get information without any real gain for ourselves. I can't tell if you're acting scummy or if you're just not thinking straight.
I'm going to go with an FOS: Twomz for the reasons Kingcobweb stated. Fishing around for information is a bad thing.
I agree Kenji isn't completely cleared, but I believe he is almost certainly town. Most likely its a mod action... and though I don't completely trust the mod, I trust him that he would probably not to lie to us about a confirmed townie.
I'm going to go with an FOS: Twomz for the reasons Kingcobweb stated. Fishing around for information is a bad thing.
I agree Kenji isn't completely cleared, but I believe he is almost certainly town. Most likely its a mod action... and though I don't completely trust the mod, I trust him that he would probably not to lie to us about a confirmed townie.
Except it wasn't really the mod that said that; it was a character of the mod's who the mod describes as "clueless." Now, personally, I wouldn't take the word of someone "clueless." I'm not saying Kenji is definately scum; I'm saying the mod probably drew a name out of a hat to use, or just added it as a reference to Kenji being modcleared in his last game.
Do you even hear yourself? "Sure, we'll more than likely just reveal all the town power roles, but what the heck let's give it a shot." It may be true that trading one townie for one scum is worth it, but what you're talking about will have a short term effect of outing power roles, with a possibility of maybe perhaps catching scum sometime later. Vote Twomz for either being scum or townie we can live without.
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No you can't 8). I'm saying the ENTIRE point of the town is to KILL ALL THE MAFIA. In order to do that, we need to know who they are. Randomly lynching people is bad. Using Grammar Naziism is bad. WIFOM is bad. The best way to do it is forcing people to talk and checking voting patterns. W/ Cop investigations coming in a close second. I'm trying to generate conversation and catch scum. Most likely power roles won't even matter. I've played in many games, and only in a small % of them the town won based on a "power role." Discussion is what wins mafia games, roles are what generate discussion. That's my opinion, take it or leave it.
[OOC]As much fun as it is to roleplay Eddy, any inconsistencies that arise from having him act as a source of mod information ought to be ignored. Eddy is clueless, I'm afraid.[/OOC]
@Kingcobweb: I believe what CP meant when he posted this was that when Eddy acts as a source of Mod information, that should be taken as truth, even if the information would be inaccessible to Eddy himself. Thus I do believe Kenji is town, but agreed, its not completely solid.
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No, kenji says it's his ability, CP is just using Eddy as a role playing persona. KENJI IS TOWN.
Also, fishing is only considered bad because statistically, it will out power roles for town more often than it will out scum. BUT IT WILL OUT SCUM.
And if someone is lurking they need to be replaced. Playing ToD will help us determine who is lurking past what is concidered "polite."
Calm down boy, whats the rush? You're getting a little bit defensive here.
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No you can't 8). I'm saying the ENTIRE point of the town is to KILL ALL THE MAFIA. In order to do that, we need to know who they are. Randomly lynching people is bad. Using Grammar Naziism is bad. WIFOM is bad. The best way to do it is forcing people to talk and checking voting patterns. W/ Cop investigations coming in a close second. I'm trying to generate conversation and catch scum. Most likely power roles won't even matter. I've played in many games, and only in a small % of them the town won based on a "power role." Discussion is what wins mafia games, roles are what generate discussion. That's my opinion, take it or leave it.
Bah, accidentally hit submit.
I'm just wondering how you'd get the game to work. Scum lie, and I don't know how we'd prove that. Power roles probably don't lie, to avoid LAL, and thus they get killed. Its a bad proposition. Even if we don't neccesarily need our power roles to win, getting them killed uneededly is hardly good for us.
I would however suggest any cops we have to target him tonight so that they can measure their sanity.
I'm torn between saying something sarcastic about wasting our cop actions and thinking this is an ok plan. Insane cops can do bad things, but is it the best plan to waste an inspection now? Somehow I don't think so.
As for truth or dare, my comment can me summed up as "oh my." I can't believe I'm discussing it.
Vote: Twomz for wanting information to flow wildly like a raging river of doom. We must control the flow of information so it can work for us. This is the difference between irrigated farmland (good) and flood that washes away said farmland (bad).
KCW is right. The way it was originally presented doesn't make Kenji look "100% cleared". The fact Twomz is so positive of it (even before Kenji clarified) looks bad. Only Mafia would know if he was truly inncoent (or at least "not mafia")
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
diggy, i agree
that really seems scummy
like, how can we get information from truth or dare??
because the scum are going to lie anyway
if you can give me a good way we can get info from t or d, ill unvote, but for now vote:twomz because i forgot about the t or d in my last post
tws, i showed u my reasons why i voted in my last post
and my post corresponds with my earlier statements about finding scummy actions
i just forgot about the t or d suggestion in that post
if he can give me even an ok reason for t or d other than getting information, ill readily unvote
He's probably catching up on the 17 pages of the thread. Sin City was going quite fast there at the end so he's probably just starting, and posting to let us know that he's starting to read.
I'm thinking I need to FOS: TWS and Beaker both for seeming like they're trying to leave an out for themselves. These aren't votes both because I think Twomz is more scummy at the moment, and also because it could just be that I like to be more aggressive than they do.
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First, why did Fadeblue edit my above post? That seems really really really fishy to edit a post by someone in a Mafia game and not say why.
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No, kenji says it's his ability, CP is just using Eddy as a role playing persona. KENJI IS TOWN.
Also, fishing is only considered bad because statistically, it will out power roles for town more often than it will out scum. BUT IT WILL OUT SCUM.
Good lord, no and no. First, yes he's using Eddy as a role playing persona, but he said himself that EDDY ISN'T A RELIABLE SOURCE OF MOD INFORMATION aghfhsjkfhska. Eddy is clueless! It was Eddy that said Kenji was town! We got the "fact" that Kenji was town from someone unreliable! End! Of! Story! Thank you!
Secondly, I can't believe you're suggesting that even though the town loses more often than not with fishing, we should go forward with it anyway. Now, I'm not going to vote for you, because I feel that you're just a townie that's playing... eh, not too well. However, I will unvote as Az has posted.
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Yay, its Azrael. Only he would have the nerve to show up now and still not offer any explaination.
Knowing him, we'll see a post in a page or two that makes Tolstoy look like Dr. Seuss.
Care to give some examples, reasoning, logic, anything? Or would you just like to say something without backing it up at all?
Actually, I think it was diggy who said something about finding you scummy without reason a while back. It seems our instinct is against you my friend, as I also find your play questionable. You should always trust instinct.
@Beaker: Yes, you explained your reasoning. Still suspicous though.
@ Holmes/MS: Finished my reread, as I'm getting pings on my scumdar, so vote stands. No outs for me.
@Kingcobweb: The way I read it was that Eddy is a reliable role of mod info, and any the fact that their are any inconsistencies (as in information he supposedly can't have) should be ignored. He is our source of Mod info for flavor reasons.
Guys arguing about eddy is pointless. You can't vote for him, he can't vote for you so its a moot point. That being said, any info given in a post from the mod can be taken as truth. I think CP was just stating that you cannot ask him for anything ridiculous. Just ensure that...
@Eddy- how many people were out of their rooms last night?
@mod- at any point in the game, will you differentiate between informational posts and entertainment posts? or are all posts from you going to be through the persona of eddy?
@Eddy- how many people were out of their rooms last night?
@mod- at any point in the game, will you differentiate between informational posts and entertainment posts? or are all posts from you going to be through the persona of eddy?
"Error...beep.?"
My intention is to stay in character as much as possible. That may not always mean Eddy. However, I'm seeing that that may cause a difficulty. So if anyone asks for clarification on a point from the mod directly, I'll answer simply.
@KCW: Eddy is a device, not a persona. Try not to take him too seriously. However, if he posts game-related information, you can consider it to have come from the mod.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
I can't tell if it's their posting style or their (lack of) logic, but I'm not liking Twomz or beaker right now. Or maybe it's because they're hassling me about nothing in particular. That might have something to do with it.
Just for the record... i decided to take this outlook on another mafia thread as well... and i got bandwagoned there. Looks like people take this position the wrong way.
Well, okay then. I said myself I didn't know if it was a good or bad idea; and I realize now why it would be bad.
Well, Peratrooper, I'm sorry for misinterpreting what you said/did. I apologize.
Yo Eddy: do you know what people's roles do, or what the names of them are? If your scumdar system is jammed, how do you know Kenji is town?
"Roles? I don't know what you're talking about, buddy."
[OOC]As much fun as it is to roleplay Eddy, any inconsistencies that arise from having him act as a source of mod information ought to be ignored. Eddy is clueless, I'm afraid.[/OOC]
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Eddy: you didn't answer my question. You said Kenji was innocent; how do you know this?
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I'd be ok with a lynch. So don't get complacent Azrael.
Click my sig (made by Grey) and get your own!
of course its a bad idea to lynch someone confirmed by the mod, without confirmation otherwise
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is "pushing to discredit your townieness"? First off, it has only been recently made clear that Eddy is just a mouthpiece for the mod, and not simply an NPC. Before that was clarified, I was not about to take the word of an NPC played by the mod on faith after reading Sin City. I'll admit that you are probably about 90% clear at this point, but that is only after CP revealed that he's simply using Eddy as a way to give his posts flavor.
I will Unvote Peregrine Falcon since he has let up on his attack on Bluesoul, but I will keep an FOS PF. Gotta go to class now.
Someone starts and asks another player truth or dare, they respond, and he either asks a question or makes them do an action. Then that person gets to repeat w/ someone else.
At the very least this will encourage posting, and at the most it will catch someone in a lie... or stop lurkers.
If this a good idea or a bad idea?
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I also feel there is no merit in debating Kenji's towniness. Short of lynching him, it won't prove anything. I would however suggest any cops we have to target him tonight so that they can measure their sanity.
While day one almost certainly will end up lynching a townie (law of probability), it shouldn't be a totally random lynch. I would say give Azrael 24 hours IRL to post something in this thread as he was busy with Sin City ending and all.
Judging by CPs statement of impending prod and the fact that anyone who has been nerfed (can't post at all) is usually announced by the mod, I would say that it is not a restriction that is causing Az to not post.
What was that? That certainly was Eddy, who, as the mod himself says, is "clueless" and- well, just read the rest of the quote yourself. Others may disagree with me, but I do not consider Kenji to be a confirmed townie at this point.
This seems like a really good idea if we want to randomly fish around, helping the scum get information without any real gain for ourselves. I can't tell if you're acting scummy or if you're just not thinking straight.
I agree Kenji isn't completely cleared, but I believe he is almost certainly town. Most likely its a mod action... and though I don't completely trust the mod, I trust him that he would probably not to lie to us about a confirmed townie.
As for Az: Post, please.
Except it wasn't really the mod that said that; it was a character of the mod's who the mod describes as "clueless." Now, personally, I wouldn't take the word of someone "clueless." I'm not saying Kenji is definately scum; I'm saying the mod probably drew a name out of a hat to use, or just added it as a reference to Kenji being modcleared in his last game.
Also, fishing is only considered bad because statistically, it will out power roles for town more often than it will out scum. BUT IT WILL OUT SCUM.
And if someone is lurking they need to be replaced. Playing ToD will help us determine who is lurking past what is concidered "polite."
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@Kingcobweb: I believe what CP meant when he posted this was that when Eddy acts as a source of Mod information, that should be taken as truth, even if the information would be inaccessible to Eddy himself. Thus I do believe Kenji is town, but agreed, its not completely solid.
Calm down boy, whats the rush? You're getting a little bit defensive here.
Bah, accidentally hit submit.
I'm just wondering how you'd get the game to work. Scum lie, and I don't know how we'd prove that. Power roles probably don't lie, to avoid LAL, and thus they get killed. Its a bad proposition. Even if we don't neccesarily need our power roles to win, getting them killed uneededly is hardly good for us.
As for truth or dare, my comment can me summed up as "oh my." I can't believe I'm discussing it.
Vote: Twomz for wanting information to flow wildly like a raging river of doom. We must control the flow of information so it can work for us. This is the difference between irrigated farmland (good) and flood that washes away said farmland (bad).
KCW is right. The way it was originally presented doesn't make Kenji look "100% cleared". The fact Twomz is so positive of it (even before Kenji clarified) looks bad. Only Mafia would know if he was truly inncoent (or at least "not mafia")
Vote: Twomz
That's a pretty freaking bold statement.
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holmes, we dont necessarily need "a good bandwagon", we need to find scummy actions, and get responses from them, in order to determine scum
twomz, power roles can be just as important as discussion
fos:twomz, which would be a vote, if there werent so many already on him
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that really seems scummy
like, how can we get information from truth or dare??
because the scum are going to lie anyway
if you can give me a good way we can get info from t or d, ill unvote, but for now vote:twomz because i forgot about the t or d in my last post
I'll Vote: Twomz as well. Hes acted scummy, but it may have been just to protect a dumb idea, so I'll review it later.
and my post corresponds with my earlier statements about finding scummy actions
i just forgot about the t or d suggestion in that post
if he can give me even an ok reason for t or d other than getting information, ill readily unvote
This is what's known as playing both sides of the field.
*exits thread*
I'm thinking I need to FOS: TWS and Beaker both for seeming like they're trying to leave an out for themselves. These aren't votes both because I think Twomz is more scummy at the moment, and also because it could just be that I like to be more aggressive than they do.
Good lord, no and no. First, yes he's using Eddy as a role playing persona, but he said himself that EDDY ISN'T A RELIABLE SOURCE OF MOD INFORMATION aghfhsjkfhska. Eddy is clueless! It was Eddy that said Kenji was town! We got the "fact" that Kenji was town from someone unreliable! End! Of! Story! Thank you!
Secondly, I can't believe you're suggesting that even though the town loses more often than not with fishing, we should go forward with it anyway. Now, I'm not going to vote for you, because I feel that you're just a townie that's playing... eh, not too well. However, I will unvote as Az has posted.
Knowing him, we'll see a post in a page or two that makes Tolstoy look like Dr. Seuss.
kingcob - that post sounds really defensive
just the vibe im getting from it
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Care to give some examples, reasoning, logic, anything? Or would you just like to say something without backing it up at all?
Actually, I think it was diggy who said something about finding you scummy without reason a while back. It seems our instinct is against you my friend, as I also find your play questionable. You should always trust instinct.
EWP: Yep diggy, post 217.
@ Holmes/MS: Finished my reread, as I'm getting pings on my scumdar, so vote stands. No outs for me.
@Kingcobweb: The way I read it was that Eddy is a reliable role of mod info, and any the fact that their are any inconsistencies (as in information he supposedly can't have) should be ignored. He is our source of Mod info for flavor reasons.
@Eddy- how many people were out of their rooms last night?
@mod- at any point in the game, will you differentiate between informational posts and entertainment posts? or are all posts from you going to be through the persona of eddy?
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"Error...beep.?"
My intention is to stay in character as much as possible. That may not always mean Eddy. However, I'm seeing that that may cause a difficulty. So if anyone asks for clarification on a point from the mod directly, I'll answer simply.
@KCW: Eddy is a device, not a persona. Try not to take him too seriously. However, if he posts game-related information, you can consider it to have come from the mod.
I hope this is clear.
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Thank you, it is. Sorry for having doubted you Kenji.
Now we drag Azrael back in here so he can be the brilliant analyst that he is.
Or we could bandwagon someone until they claim.
Personally, I don't really like either of those options, so maybe someone else can come up with a plan.
Ok, so thats not me doing the double vote I think. Back to voting for scummy people.
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You should be able to figure it out from that. If you can't... then... just read the book...
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