I think the oldest-school player around here is Hawkeye7 who played with all those people. They were mostly before my time (except Glamdring).
I would definitely expect mafia to be on the Krash wagon were he to turn up mafia. I don't think you can read into it one way or another that he hasn't been lynched "yet" though. It's still way early, relatively speaking.
Also, this:
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FoS: Treigit for trying to shift the focus towards Krashbot without addressing carrionpigeons. Treigit is also making assumptions forcing Krashbot to claim and why he does not claim. My vote stands on carrionpigeons very much due to Treigit's actions.
is interesting. It is very dicey to vote one person based on the actions of a different person whom you suspect is scummy. That's a house of cards that crumbles if the person you "suspect" is not, in fact, mafia--but you want to lynch the other person first. Bad idea.
Which is not to say CP doesn't deserve a look. Just be doing it for the right reasons.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Sorry, guys. I got a summer job this week, and it's been keeping me from spending a whole lot of time on the internet. I've been trying to keep up, but I guess I overlooked this game more than I should have.
In any case, I should obviously address a point or two:
1) Trying to start ill-advised bandwagons: I admit that I actively tried to start a bandwagon on Grim. The game was stalling, he had exhibited a decent mafia tell early in the game, and we needed both more posts and more info. I'm pretty sure I said something along the lines of "pressuring him for info" rather than for a lynch. In any case, I made it clear that I was trying to spark discussion more than trying to end the day.
And just to forestall the accusations of fishing, I already addressed those points earlier. We need something to discuss, and nothing I suggested was necessarily harmful to the town. Risks generally have to be taken at least once in a while.
2) Hopping around on bandwagons: Okay, so Abso (I think?) is the only one who brought this up, but it's so ludicrous that I feel I have to point it out, considering that it went undisputed somehow. I have placed my vote on three different people: Abso, Grim, and krash. Abso was a random vote, and the only one at that. krash's I'll address in my next point, where I explain that the case against him is valid, and not just a random lynch. Grim's, I publicly stated and started the bandwagon. I took some of the analysis on him more seriously than pretty much everyone, including the people who made it, because I recognized it as the best evidence we had at the time. I'll be happy to dispute that point with anyone who cares to do so, but I think you'll find that if you go back and read what was happening at the time, there wasn't a better place for my vote than on Grim.
3) krashbot's being lynched because he's a n00b: This may be true, but it shouldn't be. The reasons people should be voting for him are because he's been deliberately avoiding saying things that he thinks will make him sound bad, he's been baiting votes, and he's been avoiding discussion of those points. The fact that he's managed to coat all this behavior with a noobish tarnish doesn't mean they aren't still scum tells. Noob townies don't have a general tendency to be ingratiating or worry about sounding bad; it's about a 50/50 split. Noob mafiosi nearly ALL try to do that to some extent, however. It's a strong tell. Noob townies can occasionally be bad sports and vote for themselves (though that is another fair mafia tell, in general), but I have never seen a townie try to bait votes the way krash did. There's no reason why he would try that as a townie. It's only from the perspective of a mafioso that that gambit makes any sense. These are good reasons to vote anyone in the absence of conclusive info, let alone on Day 1. I can't think of any reason why krash shouldn't be an enthusiastic lynch target at this point.
Anyway, again, sorry for my absence. I'll be keeping up better once I get into a groove at my new job.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
FoS: Treigit for trying to shift the focus towards Krashbot without addressing carrionpigeons. Treigit is also making assumptions forcing Krashbot to claim and why he does not claim. My vote stands on carrionpigeons very much due to Treigit's actions.
Shift the focus onto Krash? He's had the focus since page three rather continually.
I adressed CP's play before I even revoted for Krash. I think he's being very aggressive, trying to run up a lynch to spark discussion (and quite likely day 2). I think it's a bad play. I don't think it makes him scum. (I didn't realize I need to restate my positions each post.)
Krash has already claimed. I was trying to get him to claim a name. However at this point I don't care if he claims, I'm quite sure he's scum and should be lynched. His continued refusal to claim despite no good reasons not too only reinforces my belief.
Also, as has been said, if you think I'm scum you should be voting me, not CP.
@CP: I am worried about sounding bad because I have played this game before (although never on forums (not including IRC), and not very many times) and I know the general idea of "you say stuff that sounds bad, you get lynched." As for me baiting votes, I wasn't trying to bait votes so much as I was rereading my posts and noticing scum tells in them and saying, "Yes, that's fair, that sounded like scum."
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[Krashbot's] continued refusal to claim despite no good reasons not too only reinforces my belief.
Umm...a lot of people have pointed out that it can't possibly help my case to claim a song at this point, and it can, conceivably, hurt me. I think this alone is enough reason for me to refrain from claiming a song right now.
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Also, as has been said, if you think I'm scum you should be voting me, not CP.
Fair enough, but I think CP is also scum, and I also think that if I'm wrong on one of you, I'm more likely to be wrong on you.
Also, I wouldn't suggest baiting votes like that. Look what it did to me.
Umm...a lot of people have pointed out that it can't possibly help my case to claim a song at this point, and it can, conceivably, hurt me. I think this alone is enough reason for me to refrain from claiming a song right now.
I think it was two different people. That's not "alot" (I could be wrong with the numbers)
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Fair enough, but I think CP is also scum, and I also think that if I'm wrong on one of you, I'm more likely to be wrong on you.
Also, I wouldn't suggest baiting votes like that. Look what it did to me.
My scummo-meter overloaded and spontaneously combusted at that last comment.
Umm...a lot of people have pointed out that it can't possibly help my case to claim a song at this point, and it can, conceivably, hurt me. I think this alone is enough reason for me to refrain from claiming a song right now.
Those alot of people are Axel and Grim. Grim's contribution was "I agree with Axel" (Paraphrase). Axel has since admitted that his points were moot.
You're not going to be living through the weekend unless you change something, (Given the deadline and general town sentiment.) if you're actually town you should be doing anything you can (short of lying) to avoid a myslynch. Unless you have new info to reveal to us, all you could possibly do is name claim. The general practice is to name claim first, and ability claim later. It's this way for a reason. At this point, I seriously doubt that a name claim will change anything for you, but it is all you have.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@CP: I am worried about sounding bad because I have played this game before (although never on forums (not including IRC), and not very many times) and I know the general idea of "you say stuff that sounds bad, you get lynched." As for me baiting votes, I wasn't trying to bait votes so much as I was rereading my posts and noticing scum tells in them and saying, "Yes, that's fair, that sounded like scum."
Umm...a lot of people have pointed out that it can't possibly help my case to claim a song at this point, and it can, conceivably, hurt me. I think this alone is enough reason for me to refrain from claiming a song right now.
Fair enough, but I think CP is also scum, and I also think that if I'm wrong on one of you, I'm more likely to be wrong on you.
Also, I wouldn't suggest baiting votes like that. Look what it did to me.
Two points:
I mentioned before that your perspective seems to be that of a mafia. This post reinforces that impression. Your attempt to "not incriminate yourself" was clearly referencing wording, as opposed to information, which leads me to wonder what that motivation comes from.
Secondly, I think your perception of the support the town is prepared to lend you is being overestimated. You ARE going to be lynched unless you try to do something to stop it. If you have anything that will give the town a good reason not to lynch you, now is the time.
As to your response to Treigit, he did not bait votes; he corrected your logic. This is not what you did. You effectively said, "I deserve to be voted off; so come and get me!"
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Umm...a lot of people have pointed out that it can't possibly help my case to claim a song at this point, and it can, conceivably, hurt me. I think this alone is enough reason for me to refrain from claiming a song right now.
You are about to die. To be lynched.
You've been bandwagoned from a weak case and your actions only solidify people's views of your scummyness.
I don't think you're scum. But I see where people are getting at.
You can claim now and possibly get some votes off your back, or you can not claim and get lynched tomorrow.
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Well, with all that's been going on, I've got some ideas about people. I'm not sure if I believe Krash is town or not. Currently I'm leaning a bit more in the direction of him being some sort of scum though. I'm not going to vote him yet, as the day has just been extended, and I don't want to put him too close to being lynched yet.
BTW Ximbad, Krash seems to be at 7 votes currently.
I don't think I have anything to add right now. I have been distracted by other things. But I'm still paying attention.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I've read the thread, and it seems that yeah, krashbot should claim song. When one goes to die, if one is townie, whatever is neccesary to live, I suppose... I also think that we may as well finish the deed as time's runnig out. I also think the CP is somewhat suspicious, though not sure to what extent.
At this point I consider myself a dead man due to bad play and the day seems to have come to a halt, so I figure I'll so something (song claim).
I am a somewhat depressing synth song made for someone's birthday (no name).
At this point you can probably all see why I was so reluctant to claim a song (sounds like something scum could easily have made up), but it appears as though I am dead either way.
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I really don't see any reason to keep this day going...Maybe night will bring some information.
I agree. However, out of general principle and the face that I just claimed my song, I will see if we can get any discussion going off this. If not, I consider myself a deadman at this point.
Before I act on this info., does anyone else want to claim that they are a song with "No Name?"
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Nevertheless, your reluctance to reveal may have cost you. No name or not, if you would have revealed early enough, the bandwagon would have at least stalled enough for you to gain control. You delayed, the bandwagon won.
well.. the thing is we can't really act on the claim because it's all WIFOM.
Either he's town OR he's scum who is telling the truth hoping that we'll think no scum would be stupid enough to claim a "depressing no name song" OR he's scum lieing for the same reason above (and his real title is so blatantly scum he had to false claim)
i honestly don't think a claim at this point would do anything to change anything in my mind because of the total WIFOMness of it, HOWEVER, I have been having second thoughts about whether or not he is scum (although the slow claim did give him a few +scum points). On the other hand, he is by far the most suspicious person so far, and since we really have nothing else to go on, I will keep my vote where it is. Currently I have no other suspicions. Keep in mind, however, that my current vote may be somewhat fickle as I'm not 100% sure it's in the right place, although I will not be unhappy w/ a d1 Krash lynch b/c d1 is gonna be random anyway.
Though I think there's only a slight chance Krash is scum (maybe 1/6), the day needs to end so we can move on with the game. We need to see what mafia motives are by who they choose to kill off. We can still gain info by sitting here arguing, but I think we'd all benefit by ending the day. In light of this, I cast the final vote against Krash:
Well, that's that. I can't say I'm especially comfortable with the reasons posed for a few of the final votes (I'm looking at you, ZS), I feel pretty confident about this lynch.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
So, I opened the window and started a post, then went off to watch the Simpsons and Family Guy, came back and finished my post. Now I discover it's a moot point any way, but here was my post:
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Unvote. Because I'm a man of my word.
I can see one of three scenarios with this song: 1) He's scum and came up with that as a false claim 2) He's scum, and that's his actual role 3) He's town, and has a very unfortunate role.
I think that 3 is least likely. If that were the case, I think he would've been making excuses much earlier, and I don't think his play in general has been that of a townie. I also find # 1 very unlikely. While I don't know Krash all that well, I suspect that anyone would have come up with something better than that as a false claim (and the odds of picking some one elses song are lower in this than in any other game (except random)).
That leaves 2 by process of elimination. I think he is scum, and a sad tech song recorded for someone's birthday. (That would, I suspect, qualify as bad music.)
However, I'll leave my vote off for at least a day. If I come back around this time tomorrow, and there isn't much discussion about the claim, I'll vote again.
Well folks, it's been fun. For about a week now I'd figured I was probably dead thanks to my horrible play at the beginning and relatively bad play since, but you live and you learn.
I did some stupid things (well...a lot of stupid things) and got lynched for it. I guess that's the way this game works.
Lastly, I don't blame ZS for dropping in that last vote even though he only gave a 1/6 chance I was scum. I was seriously considering dropping in the 10th vote myself when I had 9 just because by that point I had gotten tired of defending myself and figured I had screwed up enough times that I was getting lynched no matter what I did.
Good luck town, now go lynch some real scum.
*Krashbot101 turns around and solemnly walks away.*
wow... I have to say I'm really really not happy at all w/ ZS's vote... generally we should come to a consensus as a town to whether or not we are ready to end the day. WE DO NOT just end the day for the sake of ending it expecting the lynchee to be town! That is just bad play my friend town or scum, and if the day weren't over you would have my vote.
I think cp is scum. More so if krash is. It seems like he admits to wagoning krash and so if he turns up scum he can say "see I started that wagon". Kinda reminds me of puzzle in DA.
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"No, I specifically heard denim. Looks like so crafty ghost is trying to break our code" -Bravo 3 "I know nothing of the law, only vengence" -Dom, U/G madness
Huh? You're going to be suspicious of me because I made a case against a scumbucket, and was right? If you actually have a good reason to be suspicious, I'll try to respond fairly, but that's just a pointless attitude to take.
Puzzle was suspicious for other reasons, but his attacks on fellow scum were not a valid reason to be suspicious of him. If you're suspicious of me for other reasons, I want to hear them. None of this, "CP's been playing us for fools! The thing that will make him look like a townie is really a clever deception that actually makes him scum!" At least, not without a pretty solid amount of logic to back it up.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
so it's good mafia tactic to launch bandwagons against their allies? I can see how that might be true if the players were good enough; it still seems really risky to me.
well, nah...i can see why it would happen. i don't see it as being evidence of mafiahood though. at best, it can be ignroed (he started the wagon against his mafia buddy hoping it wouldn't work). But almost never as a weapon (He started wagons -- AND GOT MAFIA! Get HIM that Mafia scum!)
"Look, Krash is scum. I think I saw him doing covers of Falloutboy!"
And that was all the reason the town needed to jump onto him and beat him to a bloody pulp.
Krashbot - town - Track 1 by unknown
Night two starts, I expect night choices to be in soon.
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What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
well what about:
1) doc protect
2) untargetable/unkillable something
3) targetted bluesoul w/ the scum
4) scum went no kill to use abilities they might have
5) scum went no kill for some other reason
6) some type of restriction on killing
and so on and so forth
Yes, it is likely it was a vig, but it could have easily been an SK as well
I think that it is more likely a sk than a vig, for all the reasons Kops brings up, and the obvious "Why would any one suspect Swinkee." Unless we have a cop/vig (which would be a great role), I can't imagine why any protown role would kill Swinkee.
As for yesterday, I'm quite surprised to see Krash turn up town. Even after his goodbye post, I thought we were being slow rolled. I'm not sure at this point what we can infer from the votes on his wagon.
Also, I'm willing at this point to admit that it will be quite difficult to assertain townieness by song name. (Though I still think that name claims before ability claims are a good idea.)
I would add to kops list another, that both the SK and the scum went after the same target. That's at least as likely as a doc protect, and much more likely than any of the other possibilities.
That said, an SK is STILL less likely than a vig at this point. Does anyone really believe that those possibilities, even collectively, are actually likely?
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
I think it was sk because he was out of the way. Thats what sks tend to target to aviod hitting the same target as the mafia or as a doc right? I am hoping for a cop/vig though. Anyways if it is a vig my bets on WoLG ;).
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Yes, CP, I think that it's much more likely that the SK targetted the same person as the Mafia, or that either the SK or Mafia targeted an unkillable/ untargetable/Doc protected target (and equally likely that one of sk/mafia had either a kill restriction/replacement ability) than that in a 21 person game there is only 1 anti town killing group, and that our vig chose to fire on night 2, and hit a scum. Frankly the second seems perposterous, while the first is common place.
The fact that CP is supporting the vig idea so much in the face of several superior theories makes me think he may be responsible. FoS Carrion Pigeons
yeah, I was about to ask the same question
that code bares no apparent relvancy to anything
plus, it won't compile even if you did finish it off b/c you hve a nested method which doesnt work as far as i know (then again i may be wrong, but i dont think it would work)
I haven't been able to do anything game related this weekend except get my own game re-started. I'm going to try and give this situation the attention it deserves by tomorrow.
CP jumping to the conclusion that swinkee was a vig. kill (and then "thanking" the vig--scummy, scummy, scummy) does not look good in my opinion. He really ought to know better. The number of games we've had with a SK but a missing kill is too numerous to count. Of course, if he was the SK, it all makes sense, right?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
No, but seriously, I am incompetent at this game. I really have no idea what I'm doing. hmmm...
(The problem is that there seems to be a lot of intuition into finding mafia... in all the games I've ever played, I've either been mafia or, well, some bizzaro role, or townie that got killed off by the town for posting insane things.
As such, I have to admit that I'm not very good at mafia.)
My analysis isn't that deep, then. I'll have to say this much: I don't like swinkee. I don't like mystery meat of doom either.
he's got good skills at writing and staying low, encouraging things, sort of supplying supplemental logic. like buidling a wall. but this could just be a minimalistic sort of townie approach. Not really sure.
but it's enough for the finger
FoS THE MEAT BOY
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I would definitely expect mafia to be on the Krash wagon were he to turn up mafia. I don't think you can read into it one way or another that he hasn't been lynched "yet" though. It's still way early, relatively speaking.
Also, this:
is interesting. It is very dicey to vote one person based on the actions of a different person whom you suspect is scummy. That's a house of cards that crumbles if the person you "suspect" is not, in fact, mafia--but you want to lynch the other person first. Bad idea.
Which is not to say CP doesn't deserve a look. Just be doing it for the right reasons.
In any case, I should obviously address a point or two:
1) Trying to start ill-advised bandwagons: I admit that I actively tried to start a bandwagon on Grim. The game was stalling, he had exhibited a decent mafia tell early in the game, and we needed both more posts and more info. I'm pretty sure I said something along the lines of "pressuring him for info" rather than for a lynch. In any case, I made it clear that I was trying to spark discussion more than trying to end the day.
And just to forestall the accusations of fishing, I already addressed those points earlier. We need something to discuss, and nothing I suggested was necessarily harmful to the town. Risks generally have to be taken at least once in a while.
2) Hopping around on bandwagons: Okay, so Abso (I think?) is the only one who brought this up, but it's so ludicrous that I feel I have to point it out, considering that it went undisputed somehow. I have placed my vote on three different people: Abso, Grim, and krash. Abso was a random vote, and the only one at that. krash's I'll address in my next point, where I explain that the case against him is valid, and not just a random lynch. Grim's, I publicly stated and started the bandwagon. I took some of the analysis on him more seriously than pretty much everyone, including the people who made it, because I recognized it as the best evidence we had at the time. I'll be happy to dispute that point with anyone who cares to do so, but I think you'll find that if you go back and read what was happening at the time, there wasn't a better place for my vote than on Grim.
3) krashbot's being lynched because he's a n00b: This may be true, but it shouldn't be. The reasons people should be voting for him are because he's been deliberately avoiding saying things that he thinks will make him sound bad, he's been baiting votes, and he's been avoiding discussion of those points. The fact that he's managed to coat all this behavior with a noobish tarnish doesn't mean they aren't still scum tells. Noob townies don't have a general tendency to be ingratiating or worry about sounding bad; it's about a 50/50 split. Noob mafiosi nearly ALL try to do that to some extent, however. It's a strong tell. Noob townies can occasionally be bad sports and vote for themselves (though that is another fair mafia tell, in general), but I have never seen a townie try to bait votes the way krash did. There's no reason why he would try that as a townie. It's only from the perspective of a mafioso that that gambit makes any sense. These are good reasons to vote anyone in the absence of conclusive info, let alone on Day 1. I can't think of any reason why krash shouldn't be an enthusiastic lynch target at this point.
Anyway, again, sorry for my absence. I'll be keeping up better once I get into a groove at my new job.
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Shift the focus onto Krash? He's had the focus since page three rather continually.
I adressed CP's play before I even revoted for Krash. I think he's being very aggressive, trying to run up a lynch to spark discussion (and quite likely day 2). I think it's a bad play. I don't think it makes him scum. (I didn't realize I need to restate my positions each post.)
Krash has already claimed. I was trying to get him to claim a name. However at this point I don't care if he claims, I'm quite sure he's scum and should be lynched. His continued refusal to claim despite no good reasons not too only reinforces my belief.
Also, as has been said, if you think I'm scum you should be voting me, not CP.
Umm...a lot of people have pointed out that it can't possibly help my case to claim a song at this point, and it can, conceivably, hurt me. I think this alone is enough reason for me to refrain from claiming a song right now.
Fair enough, but I think CP is also scum, and I also think that if I'm wrong on one of you, I'm more likely to be wrong on you.
Also, I wouldn't suggest baiting votes like that. Look what it did to me.
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I don't care if I was framed for murder if I only got a warning I would let it go.
I think it was two different people. That's not "alot" (I could be wrong with the numbers)
My scummo-meter overloaded and spontaneously combusted at that last comment.
I think that he would make a fine lynch. He has been fairly scummy and a lot of ppl have taken strong positions on his scumminess.
and with that, unvote.
My vote would put him at 9 (ten to lynch). Id rather let ppl talk if they want to and wont really be able to change my vote over the weekend (prom).
That said, I still stand by what I said, and would be happy to lynch him post-weekend.
You're not going to be living through the weekend unless you change something, (Given the deadline and general town sentiment.) if you're actually town you should be doing anything you can (short of lying) to avoid a myslynch. Unless you have new info to reveal to us, all you could possibly do is name claim. The general practice is to name claim first, and ability claim later. It's this way for a reason. At this point, I seriously doubt that a name claim will change anything for you, but it is all you have.
nvm my last question, I just reread the rules.
* sgdre feels dumb
For anyone too lazy to look, it would be a no lynch.
I wonder what is worse, letting the stupid question stay, or double posting (sorry fade)?
Two points:
I mentioned before that your perspective seems to be that of a mafia. This post reinforces that impression. Your attempt to "not incriminate yourself" was clearly referencing wording, as opposed to information, which leads me to wonder what that motivation comes from.
Secondly, I think your perception of the support the town is prepared to lend you is being overestimated. You ARE going to be lynched unless you try to do something to stop it. If you have anything that will give the town a good reason not to lynch you, now is the time.
As to your response to Treigit, he did not bait votes; he corrected your logic. This is not what you did. You effectively said, "I deserve to be voted off; so come and get me!"
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You are about to die. To be lynched.
You've been bandwagoned from a weak case and your actions only solidify people's views of your scummyness.
I don't think you're scum. But I see where people are getting at.
You can claim now and possibly get some votes off your back, or you can not claim and get lynched tomorrow.
The deadline has been lifted as the day seems to have started progressing.
10 to lynch
Krashbot 7 (welloflostgnomes, swinkee, Kops, mystery meat of doom, carrion pigeons, treigit, fayul)
carrion pidgeons 5 (Krashbot, kokusho, tuatha, abso, axlerod)
Well, with all that's been going on, I've got some ideas about people. I'm not sure if I believe Krash is town or not. Currently I'm leaning a bit more in the direction of him being some sort of scum though. I'm not going to vote him yet, as the day has just been extended, and I don't want to put him too close to being lynched yet.
BTW Ximbad, Krash seems to be at 7 votes currently.
YAY for lifted deadlines! Im off to have responsible fun.
Lorelith, welcome to the game (and the site). Do you still have any questions about why we're proposing Krash as the lynch?
Having read the thread, what are your thoughts on everybody (or at least on Krash, CP, and me)?
In this light, vote krashbot .
I am a somewhat depressing synth song made for someone's birthday (no name).
At this point you can probably all see why I was so reluctant to claim a song (sounds like something scum could easily have made up), but it appears as though I am dead either way.
I agree. However, out of general principle and the face that I just claimed my song, I will see if we can get any discussion going off this. If not, I consider myself a deadman at this point.
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I don't care if I was framed for murder if I only got a warning I would let it go.
Nevertheless, your reluctance to reveal may have cost you. No name or not, if you would have revealed early enough, the bandwagon would have at least stalled enough for you to gain control. You delayed, the bandwagon won.
Either he's town OR he's scum who is telling the truth hoping that we'll think no scum would be stupid enough to claim a "depressing no name song" OR he's scum lieing for the same reason above (and his real title is so blatantly scum he had to false claim)
i honestly don't think a claim at this point would do anything to change anything in my mind because of the total WIFOMness of it, HOWEVER, I have been having second thoughts about whether or not he is scum (although the slow claim did give him a few +scum points). On the other hand, he is by far the most suspicious person so far, and since we really have nothing else to go on, I will keep my vote where it is. Currently I have no other suspicions. Keep in mind, however, that my current vote may be somewhat fickle as I'm not 100% sure it's in the right place, although I will not be unhappy w/ a d1 Krash lynch b/c d1 is gonna be random anyway.
Vote Krash
Until Day 2 everyone.
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I did some stupid things (well...a lot of stupid things) and got lynched for it. I guess that's the way this game works.
Lastly, I don't blame ZS for dropping in that last vote even though he only gave a 1/6 chance I was scum. I was seriously considering dropping in the 10th vote myself when I had 9 just because by that point I had gotten tired of defending myself and figured I had screwed up enough times that I was getting lynched no matter what I did.
Good luck town, now go lynch some real scum.
*Krashbot101 turns around and solemnly walks away.*
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I don't care if I was framed for murder if I only got a warning I would let it go.
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Puzzle was suspicious for other reasons, but his attacks on fellow scum were not a valid reason to be suspicious of him. If you're suspicious of me for other reasons, I want to hear them. None of this, "CP's been playing us for fools! The thing that will make him look like a townie is really a clever deception that actually makes him scum!" At least, not without a pretty solid amount of logic to back it up.
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well, nah...i can see why it would happen. i don't see it as being evidence of mafiahood though. at best, it can be ignroed (he started the wagon against his mafia buddy hoping it wouldn't work). But almost never as a weapon (He started wagons -- AND GOT MAFIA! Get HIM that Mafia scum!)
"Look, Krash is scum. I think I saw him doing covers of Falloutboy!"
And that was all the reason the town needed to jump onto him and beat him to a bloody pulp.
Krashbot - town - Track 1 by unknown
Night two starts, I expect night choices to be in soon.
You awake to a blood bath (whitch is hard to do as MP3's don't have blood) both swinkee and silicon were brutally murdered durring the night.
swinkee was Evil Dirty Scum Rattlesnakes by Tori Amos
silicon was town Sunday Morning by The Velvet Underground
Now that even more blood has been spilt, get a mop then get to work.
Day two with 16 alive it is 9 to lynch.
Can't say that that was what I expected. I didn't really have either player on my list of likely anythings.
It appears we have a vig with some good sense. Thank you for actually having the guts to fire.
I'm going to try reviewing the thread before I start making another case against anyone. It's been awhile since this game stopped.
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2- Because he caught scum on his first try.
I'm willing to change my opinion if circumstances warrant it, but right now, it's looking pretty good for him.
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1) doc protect
2) untargetable/unkillable something
3) targetted bluesoul w/ the scum
4) scum went no kill to use abilities they might have
5) scum went no kill for some other reason
6) some type of restriction on killing
and so on and so forth
Yes, it is likely it was a vig, but it could have easily been an SK as well
I think that it is more likely a sk than a vig, for all the reasons Kops brings up, and the obvious "Why would any one suspect Swinkee." Unless we have a cop/vig (which would be a great role), I can't imagine why any protown role would kill Swinkee.
As for yesterday, I'm quite surprised to see Krash turn up town. Even after his goodbye post, I thought we were being slow rolled. I'm not sure at this point what we can infer from the votes on his wagon.
Also, I'm willing at this point to admit that it will be quite difficult to assertain townieness by song name. (Though I still think that name claims before ability claims are a good idea.)
That said, an SK is STILL less likely than a vig at this point. Does anyone really believe that those possibilities, even collectively, are actually likely?
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The fact that CP is supporting the vig idea so much in the face of several superior theories makes me think he may be responsible. FoS Carrion Pigeons
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public static void main(String[] args) {
int numbers = 10;
public void War() {
system...
*wakes up*
Umm... I'm going to, later on today, read the whole thread start to finish. As for now, I have to go write an analysis of Isiah.
oh, and after reading it all, come up with a suspect or two... *bares muscles*
that code bares no apparent relvancy to anything
plus, it won't compile even if you did finish it off b/c you hve a nested method which doesnt work as far as i know (then again i may be wrong, but i dont think it would work)
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CP jumping to the conclusion that swinkee was a vig. kill (and then "thanking" the vig--scummy, scummy, scummy) does not look good in my opinion. He really ought to know better. The number of games we've had with a SK but a missing kill is too numerous to count. Of course, if he was the SK, it all makes sense, right?
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grumble, grumble, groink.
No, but seriously, I am incompetent at this game. I really have no idea what I'm doing. hmmm...
(The problem is that there seems to be a lot of intuition into finding mafia... in all the games I've ever played, I've either been mafia or, well, some bizzaro role, or townie that got killed off by the town for posting insane things.
As such, I have to admit that I'm not very good at mafia.)
My analysis isn't that deep, then. I'll have to say this much: I don't like swinkee. I don't like mystery meat of doom either.
he's got good skills at writing and staying low, encouraging things, sort of supplying supplemental logic. like buidling a wall. but this could just be a minimalistic sort of townie approach. Not really sure.
but it's enough for the finger
FoS THE MEAT BOY
ready the cannons. m m m