Weird because he shows up late, then acts like he's trying to hide that he's scum, in my opinion. Still, it was only a FOS. Not changing my vote yet...
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2 CFs AHHH, CF is coiled flame and C_F is crippled fist aka scum. :p, and C_F werent you like scum 7 games in a row or something?
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In my opinion, it seems strange that he shows up late, then is more eager than anyone I've seen here to lynch someone. Could just be noobishness, or could be scummy. Still, thats just my opinion.
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In my opinion, it seems strange that he shows up late, then is more eager than anyone I've seen here to lynch someone. Could just be noobishness, or could be scummy. Still, thats just my opinion.
In my opinion, it seems strange that he shows up late, then is more eager than anyone I've seen here to lynch someone. Could just be noobishness, or could be scummy. Still, thats just my opinion.
"Eager" may not be the best word to use there. He hasn't even voted anyone. So at least he hasn't already made 3 votes with 1 explanation, bandwaggoned someone with already strange logic, and fos'd another person for a completely normal post then tried to cover it up with far flung arguments. Seriously though fos: Coiled flame
Yeah, Coiled Flame, you're definitely reaching a little bit. "I'm ready to hunt teh scums" does not equal "more eager to lynch someone than anyone." Or are you saying that you're not eager to hunt teh scums? Well, are you?
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I think you're just a little too eager to point fingers at people, Coiled Flame. I'm not sure whether that's just because you're new or because you're scum, though I'm still leaning towards the former. One has to hope that you learned something from Newb 9.
I learned never to replace someone. Other than that, I didn' treally learn anything. it was my forst mafia ever, and Ij ust didn't know how the heck to defend myself... luckily, I don't have to defend myself in thsi game.
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Second, I am suspicious that Coiled_Flame feels it necessary to use the noob defense in nearly all of his posts. Being a noob does not make one auto-innocent, and trying to excuse your behavior with a constant refrain of "lol im noob" is not a good tactic.
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I disagree, it definetely seems like he's trying to ride the 'I'm newb' train all the way to the bank. I don't think this necessarily makes him scum, though.
I learned never to replace someone. Other than that, I didn' treally learn anything. it was my forst mafia ever, and Ij ust didn't know how the heck to defend myself... luckily, I don't have to defend myself in thsi game.
So you didnt learn that if you and someone else are BOTH at -2 to lynch, and people are asking for a role claim, then you should NOT respond to that with Vote: Otherguy, you should respond with a brief summary of your role, or a well-thought-out falseclaim if you are scum... lol
I learned never to replace someone. Other than that, I didn' treally learn anything. it was my forst mafia ever, and Ij ust didn't know how the heck to defend myself... luckily, I don't have to defend myself in thsi game.
Wow, I totally missed this post by CF, yeah, I retract my he isn't playing the newb angle statement... my bad.
Well, I'd feel alot better if CF would just say something about his votes. Even just a little teensy explanation rather than "I reread and think I will do this". I do think that there's a very good chance that he really is just a newb, so for now I will stay with my beaker vote.
Well, I'd feel alot better if CF would just say something about his votes. Even just a little teensy explanation rather than "I reread and think I will do this".
I agree with enigma on this. I don't think that any of the hostility towards coiled flame (including mine) is actually intended to start a bandwagon towards his lynching. Rather, it's an attempt to get him to explain his suspicious actions. Instead, it seems to have had the effect of putting him into wild accusation mode, in what some (including me) may see to be an attempt to shunt attention to someone else without having to explain his own actions.
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At the beginning, I voted nymphe because, yes, I was bandwagoning. I was still getting use to the game. Then, I can't really remember what I saw in Enigma's posts. After getting beaten upon for bandwagoning and random-voting Enigma, I OMGUS voted C_F. This is only my second game of Mafia online, and I'm still a total noob. I still stand by my FOS Diggy, because even though everyone else may not think so, I believe Diggy may be scum.
Still, its only a FOS.
In Newb 9, I didn't claim because i really had no idea what the heck you were talking about, and that was my first mafia ever. Conclusion: I willl vot change my vote to diggy, nor will I take away my FOS.
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Admittance to bandwagoning, playing the newb card, and thinking Diggy is scum without apparent reason. Good start, flame.
Let's stay away from insults, kthnx.
CF: In general your posts have been scummy. You bandwaggoned another complete newb (on a random vote, and rather shotty logic for another), voted me without explanation, and you still don't know what you were thinking. And then an OMGUS, which would be fine if there were any reason at all C_F could be scummy. Finally your fos on Diggy makes no sense, period.
Also, what happened to beaker? After I voted him he sorta dissapeared.
@Ged: i explained my reasons, and noone believed me. i stand by my FOS.
@Enigma91: Yes, i did all of those things. I was still figuring out how to play. Translation: i'm a noob, not scum.
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@Enigma91: Yes, i did all of those things. I was still figuring out how to play. Translation: i'm a noob, not scum.
See the problem is you still could be scum. Just because you're new doesn't mean your going to get preferential treatment in terms of who the town will go after. If you look scummy, smell scummy, and sound scummy, well we're going to think you're scum. Also using the newb card so many times is rather suspicious, because if you are scum you can try to cover any suspiciouns with the "I'm new" card.
Diggy, i still think my reasons are good. Everyone may not, but I do. Why is everyone getting upset over an FOS???? My vote is still on C_F
Note for CF-Attacking a player is not limited to voting.
See what I and multiple other people have said, that's why we're voting/fos'ing you. You may not understand why but we can't really help that if we've said it many times. Just because something makes sense to you doesn't mean it will make sense to anyone else, so if you could explain why you attacked diggy, I'm sure that would help.
Coiled Flame, you're not making it any easier for yourself this way. I can accept the fact that you're inexperienced and made a mistake, but your constant use of the newb defense while at the same time defending your erroneous logic does not inspire confidence in your towniness. I do not yet think you are scum, but the way this is going, I am edging closer towards voting you.
On an unrelated note, I call upon mosschop to post.
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Diggy, i still think my reasons are good. Everyone may not, but I do. Why is everyone getting upset over an FOS???? My vote is still on C_F
This CF and C_F thing is just getting annoying…Flame, people are getting upset at the lack of explanation for actions. You’re responses seem to be overdefensive…you are slashing out at everyone when all they do is ask for an explanation. unvote fos:Flame
This CF and C_F thing is just getting annoying…Flame, people are getting upset at the lack of explanation for actions. You’re responses seem to be overdefensive…you are slashing out at everyone when all they do is ask for an explanation. unvote fos:Flame
Please post mosschop…
Out of curiosity is there any reason you dropped "the best lead we have"? with absolutely no explanation or even downgrading to an FOS?
@Diggy: not too much happened. Nymphe made a random post, beaker jumped on him saying he was "hedging his bets" and voted him. I attacked beaker, then Flame showed up and voted nymphe too(#3 on wagon). Sal points out the waggoning, Flame comes back and votes me saying he actually read. People start going after Flame for a bit, flame then unvotes me and OMGUS's Fist. You show up and give a normal little "I'm here" post, which Flame says is scummy:rolleyes: and people attack him a bit more for it. And that puts us about here.
I also agree that mr. mossychops needs to post along with MoT.
"Out of curiosity is there any reason you dropped "the best lead we have"? with absolutely no explanation or even downgrading to an FOS?"
because that vote was mainly trying to start discussion, i really dont like when random voting goes on for 5 pages
but since then, flame's actions have given us enough to analyze for now
Oh this actually started? Sorry i was working a lot recently and completly missed it
I'm now here and ready to hunt teh Scums
The reason I FOS'd Diggy was because of this post. I checked him out, and he's played in tons of mafia games. I don't think he would post this... Still, its just me, and noone else seems to think so.
Thats my reason for FOSing Diggy. You have it, you can decide whether to lynch me or not, but I'm telling you, I AM TOWNIE.
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@Flame: I'm sorry maybe I'm just completely dense today but I don't see the logic at all. It's his first post of the game and he's joking around, it's exactly like what beaker did to nymphe. Even if he wouldn't normally post that because of his experience what about it makes you think that he would be mafia??????
Something about this response strikes me as odd, though I can't say exactly what.
Funny, I was thinking exactly the same thing. "I won't be happy..." might imply some sort of power to do something nasty about it. And the "haha" is just weird.
I'm going completely paranoid, aren't I?
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Funny, I was thinking exactly the same thing. "I won't be happy..." might imply some sort of power to do something nasty about it. And the "haha" is just weird.
I'm going completely paranoid, aren't I?
haha, I think so, lol. The reason I am defending Coiled is because in my opinion, noone who acts SO scummy can possibly be scum.
By all means you guys can lynch him and find out, I don't think that in a 20-player game it will make a HUGE amount of difference to the game, but I'm just saying I think he's not scum, hence why I would be unhappy with his lynch.
When I say "I won't be happy", there is no implicit threat, lol.
I don't think someones opinion can be wifom like that...
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Not sure what you're saying, Kokusho, but the statement that WoD made can definetely be written off by the WIFOM concept.
Just going on record to say that I don't think that Coiled Flame is scum. He's a little too obvious, and as someone playing his second mafia game ever, it's my opinion that, if he were scum, he would be much more quiet and circumspect, not 'let me draw as much attention to myself as humanly possible'. He's clearly guilty of newb playing, and maybe even bad playing..but not scum playing, I don't think.
Things that I'm suspicious of right now: The way that Beaker just seemingly arbitrarily decided not to pursue Coiled anymore. In the post, he lists a bunch of reasons that people could vote for CF, and then unvotes him and changes it to an FoS. This seems to me like someone that realizes they've made a failed attempt at bandwagonning someone, but, wants to keep some pressure on them(FoS) while getting away from that bandwagon.
I'm also suspicious of the manner in which WoD criticized Coiled's wagon. He didn't try to provide any reason why it was a bad wagon, just kind of taunted the people that were on it. Plus, he says that we can lynch him and find out since it won't make much difference. It feels like he's trying to encourage the lynch to happen, while also expressing the opinion that he is personally opposed to it.
No, I actually find myself in agreement with WoD here, lol.
Coiled is just playing so absolutely badly that I don't think a day-1 lynch of him will do the town much good at all - but hell, in the later days, if he is still alive, then he's already provided us with more than enough "scum tells" to get him happily lynched.
So he's really kind of in a lose-lose situation here.
Well, basically we either take everything Coiled has said up until now and speed lynch him, (something I am not in favor of) or later on, when no one else is looking suspicious, he'll become scapegoat for an opportunistic mafioso, as he has already given anyone wanting to push for his lynch a excellent material for doing so.
What I am saying is, regardless of his alignment, I think that it is only a matter of time before he gets lynched.
flame's actions are suspicious, but WOD's actions are very WIFOM...for now, i dont think that he can be "too scummy" he's relatively new at mafia, so i dont think that "too scummy" is a way to defend him
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as a first post, after 7 pages of discussion, mosschop doesnt take the time to read the posts. there werent that many posts to read...
there had been some real discussion but he just puts down a random vote. since then, he hasnt posted at all...i'd like to see some anaysis from Mosschop before taking a stronger stand on his scumminess, but i'm still watching him...
Just going on record to say that I don't think that Coiled Flame is scum. He's a little too obvious, and as someone playing his second mafia game ever, it's my opinion that, if he were scum, he would be much more quiet and circumspect, not 'let me draw as much attention to myself as humanly possible'. He's clearly guilty of newb playing, and maybe even bad playing..but not scum playing, I don't think.
The problem with this through process is that he played like this in that first game... and was scum. While lynching him now may not be a good idea, I agree with Wuffles that he'll almost certainly get lynched later if/when we reach a stand still.
@Beaker: Alright, since it said 'Unvote' right before FOS Coiled Flame, it gave the impression that you had been voting for him and were downgrading that to an FOS, but attacking him at the same time. Thanks for the clarification.
@Ged: If anything, his play is probably worse this game than it was in Newb 9. I mean, it seems like he is putting absolutely no thought whatsoever into his posts, and it's hard to imagine a scum doing that. It's largely WIFOM, but, it's still valid, I think.
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unvote, Vote Cyan
*creampuffeater becomes himself again. I personally feel it is too early to start the lurker hunting, as the game has only been going a few days. Also there do seem to be a lot of new players in here, so jumping on them so fast might not be the way to go. I also think that there is a lot of wierd bandwagoning going on. It might only be day 1, but that might be something to look into. Unvote, Fos CF and Wuffles for just striking me as wierd.
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I think you're reaching. Alot.
"Eager" may not be the best word to use there. He hasn't even voted anyone. So at least he hasn't already made 3 votes with 1 explanation, bandwaggoned someone with already strange logic, and fos'd another person for a completely normal post then tried to cover it up with far flung arguments. Seriously though fos: Coiled flame
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Second, I am suspicious that Coiled_Flame feels it necessary to use the noob defense in nearly all of his posts. Being a noob does not make one auto-innocent, and trying to excuse your behavior with a constant refrain of "lol im noob" is not a good tactic.
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Oh, and Salubrious, I don't think that he is using the newb defense, I think he is accusing someone of being either a newb or a scum (or a newbscum).
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Wow, I totally missed this post by CF, yeah, I retract my he isn't playing the newb angle statement... my bad.
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I agree with enigma on this. I don't think that any of the hostility towards coiled flame (including mine) is actually intended to start a bandwagon towards his lynching. Rather, it's an attempt to get him to explain his suspicious actions. Instead, it seems to have had the effect of putting him into wild accusation mode, in what some (including me) may see to be an attempt to shunt attention to someone else without having to explain his own actions.
Still, its only a FOS.
In Newb 9, I didn't claim because i really had no idea what the heck you were talking about, and that was my first mafia ever. Conclusion: I willl vot change my vote to diggy, nor will I take away my FOS.
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CF: In general your posts have been scummy. You bandwaggoned another complete newb (on a random vote, and rather shotty logic for another), voted me without explanation, and you still don't know what you were thinking. And then an OMGUS, which would be fine if there were any reason at all C_F could be scummy. Finally your fos on Diggy makes no sense, period.
Also, what happened to beaker? After I voted him he sorta dissapeared.
@Enigma91: Yes, i did all of those things. I was still figuring out how to play. Translation: i'm a noob, not scum.
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See the problem is you still could be scum. Just because you're new doesn't mean your going to get preferential treatment in terms of who the town will go after. If you look scummy, smell scummy, and sound scummy, well we're going to think you're scum. Also using the newb card so many times is rather suspicious, because if you are scum you can try to cover any suspiciouns with the "I'm new" card.
and i find it awesome that two people posted stuff in the time it took me to verify that mosschop had indeed not said anything
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See what I and multiple other people have said, that's why we're voting/fos'ing you. You may not understand why but we can't really help that if we've said it many times. Just because something makes sense to you doesn't mean it will make sense to anyone else, so if you could explain why you attacked diggy, I'm sure that would help.
On an unrelated note, I call upon mosschop to post.
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Seconded.
Hell, I'll just vote for him. Vote: mosschop. Vote goes away when he posts, of course.
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This CF and C_F thing is just getting annoying…Flame, people are getting upset at the lack of explanation for actions. You’re responses seem to be overdefensive…you are slashing out at everyone when all they do is ask for an explanation. unvote fos:Flame
Please post mosschop…
Out of curiosity is there any reason you dropped "the best lead we have"? with absolutely no explanation or even downgrading to an FOS?
@Diggy: not too much happened. Nymphe made a random post, beaker jumped on him saying he was "hedging his bets" and voted him. I attacked beaker, then Flame showed up and voted nymphe too(#3 on wagon). Sal points out the waggoning, Flame comes back and votes me saying he actually read. People start going after Flame for a bit, flame then unvotes me and OMGUS's Fist. You show up and give a normal little "I'm here" post, which Flame says is scummy:rolleyes: and people attack him a bit more for it. And that puts us about here.
I also agree that mr. mossychops needs to post along with MoT.
because that vote was mainly trying to start discussion, i really dont like when random voting goes on for 5 pages
but since then, flame's actions have given us enough to analyze for now
The reason I FOS'd Diggy was because of this post. I checked him out, and he's played in tons of mafia games. I don't think he would post this... Still, its just me, and noone else seems to think so.
Thats my reason for FOSing Diggy. You have it, you can decide whether to lynch me or not, but I'm telling you, I AM TOWNIE.
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Something about this response strikes me as odd, though I can't say exactly what.
Funny, I was thinking exactly the same thing. "I won't be happy..." might imply some sort of power to do something nasty about it. And the "haha" is just weird.
I'm going completely paranoid, aren't I?
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By all means you guys can lynch him and find out, I don't think that in a 20-player game it will make a HUGE amount of difference to the game, but I'm just saying I think he's not scum, hence why I would be unhappy with his lynch.
When I say "I won't be happy", there is no implicit threat, lol.
WIFOM alert!
Don't have time for anything else right now, but FOS WoD for the time being.
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Just going on record to say that I don't think that Coiled Flame is scum. He's a little too obvious, and as someone playing his second mafia game ever, it's my opinion that, if he were scum, he would be much more quiet and circumspect, not 'let me draw as much attention to myself as humanly possible'. He's clearly guilty of newb playing, and maybe even bad playing..but not scum playing, I don't think.
Things that I'm suspicious of right now: The way that Beaker just seemingly arbitrarily decided not to pursue Coiled anymore. In the post, he lists a bunch of reasons that people could vote for CF, and then unvotes him and changes it to an FoS. This seems to me like someone that realizes they've made a failed attempt at bandwagonning someone, but, wants to keep some pressure on them(FoS) while getting away from that bandwagon.
I'm also suspicious of the manner in which WoD criticized Coiled's wagon. He didn't try to provide any reason why it was a bad wagon, just kind of taunted the people that were on it. Plus, he says that we can lynch him and find out since it won't make much difference. It feels like he's trying to encourage the lynch to happen, while also expressing the opinion that he is personally opposed to it.
Coiled is just playing so absolutely badly that I don't think a day-1 lynch of him will do the town much good at all - but hell, in the later days, if he is still alive, then he's already provided us with more than enough "scum tells" to get him happily lynched.
So he's really kind of in a lose-lose situation here.
It must suck to be Coiled flame right now, lol.
What I am saying is, regardless of his alignment, I think that it is only a matter of time before he gets lynched.
Thus, it sucks to be Coiled Flame right now
flame's actions are suspicious, but WOD's actions are very WIFOM...for now, i dont think that he can be "too scummy" he's relatively new at mafia, so i dont think that "too scummy" is a way to defend him
as a first post, after 7 pages of discussion, mosschop doesnt take the time to read the posts. there werent that many posts to read...
there had been some real discussion but he just puts down a random vote. since then, he hasnt posted at all...i'd like to see some anaysis from Mosschop before taking a stronger stand on his scumminess, but i'm still watching him...
The problem with this through process is that he played like this in that first game... and was scum. While lynching him now may not be a good idea, I agree with Wuffles that he'll almost certainly get lynched later if/when we reach a stand still.
@Ged: If anything, his play is probably worse this game than it was in Newb 9. I mean, it seems like he is putting absolutely no thought whatsoever into his posts, and it's hard to imagine a scum doing that. It's largely WIFOM, but, it's still valid, I think.
Oh, and I think I'll vote Salubrious.