Oh, Kok, would you mind turning invisible off? I like knowing who's reading the thread.
Thats not me.
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"No, I specifically heard denim. Looks like so crafty ghost is trying to break our code" -Bravo 3 "I know nothing of the law, only vengence" -Dom, U/G madness
Just to clarify, you would think it scummy if anyone did any action which stated or otherwise attempted to change the game from random, non accumlating votes to attempts to find/lynch scum?
Not at all. At the time, I just thought Puzzle was pushing a little too hard too fast. In hindsight, he probably wasn't, but that's really not the issue.
Anyway, enough about that. I've since admited it was a vote based on horrible logic and I don't see any reason in continuing discussing it.
@MD: I know the feeling of screwing something up early due to inexperience and then feeling completely desperate as the game heads toward your lynch.
*Krashbot101 points to the (unfotunately) dead iPod mafia.*
However, I would strongly advise (as others have) that you stop making random, desperate, and somewhat pointless posts and start actually explaining yourself. Also, I can't speak for anyone else, but at this point, my vote is not on you for a lynch, I just want an explanation.
Lastly, FoS magicofthought for being active today (like 4.5 hours ago) and still having a whopping 0 posts on this thread.
On that note, there are 9 people (including mot) that have less than 4 posts on this thread. It would be nice to see some more posts out of said people seeing as the game has been running for about 48 hours now.
first of all.. unvote MD because that was a joke vote and I'm pretty sure MD isn't mafia. If the mafia had any good players theyd give some early tips during night 0, even if it was something as little as "post as little as possible." I also see little defense coming MD's way, or any confidence from MD that help will come.
I know what it's like to be a newb and have your playstyle immediately come off as scummy; I like to fish. A lot. I still do. But what you have to realize is that this is not a game with easy answers and that giving up will get you nowhere niether now nor in the future.
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But whatever you think is right. You have tons more Mafia experience than I do.
I remember in my first mafia game, when it got down to 7 players (3 mafia). The mafia were the most experienced players left, dragging the townies around into lynching each other. You have to trust yourself to make the votes and decisions, because thats the only way you learn. You don't have to be reckless about it, but don't shy away from it.
kops: I believe we can expect very uncommon gods considering d_m says they are from "all over" the net (not just wikipedia, for example).
CC: still not a wagon imo. Its too self-aware to be a real wagon. want a wagon, see MD.
I have no idea what to make of MD. It's hard for me to tell whether he really is just frustrated with newbery, or a first time scum panicked at being caught.
I won't vote for him for now I suppose, but I can't honestly say I am very opposed to a lynch.
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vote:Absolutionis
vote:Mosschop
vote:Treigit
vote:Arimnaes
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vote:Kokusho the Evening Star
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vote:bluesoul
vote:Leilani
CropCircles
aurorasparrow
Carrion pigeons
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I must say being omniPOTENT certainly does have it's advantages.
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The symmetry comes in that Azrael was taking heat for spamming up the thread and garnering a boat-load of votes by doing so. My point there was that he was a danger to the game state regardless of his alignment, which is so far from true in hindsight that it's silly.
The same holds for Treigit's statement that the game can't continue under the current conditions because of MD_'s behaviour. Also, not true.
DYH, I find the situations to be vastly different. (Of course, I would.)
First of all, in WD II you had a very good reason to suspect that Az wasn't scum, and several people voted for him stating they thought, or knew he wasn't. On the other hand, I have no concrete reason to suspect MD isn't scum. What made me say that I could see him being town, is his whining about his fate, it seems conceivable that it's coming from a dejected newb who's resigned to his inevitable fate at the hands of cruel experts.
However, when one is making blatant scum tells, and there are no better leads around it'd be a very poor play to keep them around just because they say "You're mean!"
Further, as to my comment that the game can't continue with him around, I stand by that. As long as he's viewed as such, there are only three logical ways that the game can progress. Lynching him, clearing him, or having additional information come to light. Before voting MD I actually did a reread (as I mentioned) I went through looking for stuff on Grimclaw, however I could barely concentrate on anything but MD. I suspect others may be in the same situation of missing more subtle clues because this is blinding us.
Also, "Horrendous Pantheon plan?" One, it wasn't a plan so much as a conversation. Two, how is it horrendous?
It'd be great to see more posts from absolutionis and Abandon hope (there may be others w/ only 1 post, but those stood out)
Sorry, I didn't realize my imput was so important to you. I'm honored, but unfortunatly I see only chaos. And I scratch my head.
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Bandwagoning against a brand new mafia player is really nice guys. Lynching fellow townies also proves your ability to play this game
Wow, so defensive. And this is only one of the posts I could have quoted. vote: MD I guess.
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3 Does anyone think we'll see the Judeo Christian God? More than one incarnation? (God, Jesus, Holy Ghost, Allah, Yahweh) This would be hilarious, but also more offensive than the inclusion of gods from other active religions. Anyone know how religious Draygn is, or how loathe to offend?
I can see it now. "You can't lynch me! I am the alpha and the omega, the begining and the *hurk*"
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For the record, I AM TOWN. And I do not lie when I role claim. When I am proven right, I will simply laugh in your face and wish the Mafia a GG.
Oh the drama! * Abandon Hope places hand on brow and keels over
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On that note, there are 9 people (including mot) that have less than 4 posts on this thread. It would be nice to see some more posts out of said people seeing as the game has been running for about 48 hours now.
I generally check the web once a day. I'm on 56k, and I have a life (we all do). If you don't like a laid back posting pattern, vote for me. It's summer. Relax in the shade.
I generally check the web once a day. I'm on 56k, and I have a life (we all do). If you don't like a laid back posting pattern, vote for me. It's summer. Relax in the shade.
Agreed. I'm not on 56K, but it IS summer, and people ARE involved with other things.
I'm aware that lurking hurts the game, but even the few posts they have made are better than nothing.
So just chill out, I'm sure they'll be less busy at some point, and be able to post more.
Tragit, I like your post about MD. I agree with you, he does seem rather...in the way of things.
Does anyone have more info on MD, or a theory, or something? Or do we all have the similar idea of him being a nuisance, and we have mixed feelings about what should be done?
[Puzzle: enough content-ish things for you? ;)]
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Also, "Horrendous Pantheon plan?" One, it wasn't a plan so much as a conversation. Two, how is it horrendous?
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Also, to add to my uber scummy setup spec:
1 Don't claim if you're in one of those pantheons. Don't claim if you aren't
2 I forgot Hindi, they're probably here too.
3 Does anyone think we'll see the Judeo Christian God? More than one incarnation? (God, Jesus, Holy Ghost, Allah, Yahweh) This would be hilarious, but also more offensive than the inclusion of gods from other active religions. Anyone know how religious Draygn is, or how loathe to offend?
4 DYH, the point is for people who may come from different backgrounds to pitch in such that we have a better idea of what to expect, it's also a chance for anyone with non-role related setup knowledge ("You are X, you've always had a grudge against Y, but you'll put that aside," "Those Mayan gods seem weird to you but..." or that sort of thing) to speak up , either as "Well I bet Set is here" or "Hey that reminds me, my PM mentioned Qtzylquatcl" (Wow, I can't spell that at all)
You've already acknowledged it's "scummy", even if it's in jest (and making light of it doesn't make it something we should ignore); set-up speculation is typically regarded as something the mafia is more interested in pursuing. It's not helping us find scum, it's giving them information.
For example, when people bring up a sect, I think it's naturally going to be assumed by others that perhaps that's where their role claim comes from. So, point 1, while trying to make yourself look like a good little townie, is really self-defeating by encouraging the pursuit of this "conversation". See, for example, people might think you're a Hindi god because of the way you added them on here with point 2.
What are you trying to accomplish with point 3 other than more idle speculation, or for Almighty God and/or Jesus to come out and claim here day one? To steal an oft-used line: This is not helpful.
Point 4: Wikipedia, Pantheon.org, google, etc.. We are playing on an internet game, we all have access to these things to do our own research without publicly displaying it to the scum.
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Further, as to my comment that the game can't continue with him around, I stand by that. As long as he's viewed as such, there are only three logical ways that the game can progress. Lynching him, clearing him, or having additional information come to light. Before voting MD I actually did a reread (as I mentioned) I went through looking for stuff on Grimclaw, however I could barely concentrate on anything but MD. I suspect others may be in the same situation of missing more subtle clues because this is blinding us.
I'm reading through the thread just fine, thank you very much.
People go through days in mafia games with suspicion on them, not being cleared, nor lynched all the time. Oftentimes because there are other things worthy of discussing, too. You seem to be deflecting here. (Why look at me- we need to deal with MD_?)
Basically, I don't like what you've been doing at all. There's plenty going on to discuss without going into setup speculation.
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Does anyone have more info on MD, or a theory, or something? Or do we all have the similar idea of him being a nuisance, and we have mixed feelings about what should be done?
Yes, I have a theory. I presented a really stupid point about MD_ not being in his first game (oh noes, it's his second and they started within days of one another! LAL!) and suddenly his wagon went haywire. He certainly said some silly things before that point, but go back and look at the sudden spike in votes after that. I'm really inclined to believe he's a whiny, selfish, newbie townie.
I think we've got some scum voting for him, if you ask me.
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first of all.. unvote MD because that was a joke vote and I'm pretty sure MD isn't mafia. If the mafia had any good players theyd give some early tips during night 0, even if it was something as little as "post as little as possible." I also see little defense coming MD's way, or any confidence from MD that help will come.
And AS has gained major townie points, IMO, for this logic.
Personally, I refuse to jump on this MD bandwagon because as far as I can see, it has no basis in any logic that woul indicate that MD was scum. Sure he voted himself, and I still don't really understand that, but that does not scream scum to me, and there really is nothing else that most people are voting him for. Mostly I'm just seeing people randomly vote in the middle of a bunch of other random posts and for no real reason at all (I'm looking at YOU Abandon Hope) or else posting mostly craplogic. This bandwagon has no business even existing and I really can't understand why so many people are convinced that MD is scum.
As for Treigit... he is definately fishing, probably in dangerous waters. He is also breadcrumbing, also in dangerous waters. However, I can't really decide if he is really scumm or not... however, if anything there is definately more solid basis for a bandwagon against him than MD, and I really think it's Time for people to start thinking harder about their votes.
Last thing, this quote just struck my gut as scummy... really not sure if it is or not but I just have a hunch:
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Does anyone have more info on MD, or a theory, or something? Or do we all have the similar idea of him being a nuisance, and we have mixed feelings about what should be done?
Again, don't know for sure, but my gut doesn't like it.
While my suspicion of him certainly hasn't abated, I can see that it's just too easy to get a rise out of him at this point to read his tells, and I want an opportunity to find some more condemning evidence against when he isn't under pressure. It's too easy to lynch emotional players who voluntarily cut off their own potential sources of support, regardless of their alignment.
Expect to be looked at, hard, from this point on, MD.
Additionally, there are a few people who hopped on that bandwagon for very poor reasons, and I'd like to exert a little pressure elsewhere.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
The self-voting, self-destructive bit is enough for me.
Vote MD, FOS: Aurorasparrow + Arimnaes
(Aurorasparrow for the attempted clearing of MD, Arimnaes for minor fishing.)
For the record, I do vote people on principle for self-voting. There is, at times, a time and a place to sacrifice yourself for the betterment of the town's position. However, this is neither the time nor the place. Right now it's definitely as good of a place as any to continue the day.
Look... you've said yourself, this is your first mafia game! Have you even read over others to see what kind of roles one might expect??? I would almost be more surprised if there WASNT anyone w/ a role-restriction. And the way you are acting now.... no! Nobody would know the difference.
153-DYH Says MD is in another game on another site w/ similar starting times.
154-Krash Votes siting "Lurking while excusing lurking"
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This game started before Werewolf Mafia. This IS my first game. Think before you speak.
vote - Disrupt_Your_Hymn simply because you speak lies.
156-Arimnaes votes "in light of the last post"
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Bandwagoning against a brand new mafia player is really nice guys. Lynching fellow townies also proves your ability to play this game
158-DYH
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I signed up for this one first.
Unvote because it doesn't even matter, anymore. I'm the scapegoat, now.
If the town is stupid enought to vote out someone with an ability that helps them, then I hope they lose.
160-DYH (Declares someone other than MD as a suspect)
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*sigh*
4 votes in twenty minutes pretty much sets a pattern up for me to be lynched in like an hour and a half. Sorry if I'm not good at Mafia :cry:
162-Treigit, no vote change
163-Leilani no vote
164-Puzzle votes, siting several of MD's recent posts
165-Kops no vote
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Vote - MD
I just want to learn from this mistake and hopefully play a better game next time.
For the record, I AM TOWN. And I do not lie when I role claim. When I am proven right, I will simply laugh in your face and wish the Mafia a GG.
167-DYH No Vote
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Once I die, I have no interest in the game anymore. I wouldn't care about the outcome. If my fellow townies turn on me, then screw 'em.
Yeah, I'm town. What about it?
169-No Vote Change
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Unvote :cry:
How can I prove myself? Just because I made newb posts automaticly means I'm scum? What kind of Mafia host makes a complete newb scum anyways? I think D_M has more sense than that.
171-Leilani FoS MD
172-Treigit Vote MD siting "Selfvoting, Early Defensivness, Wishing the Scum GG"
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H o w d o I p r o v e t h a t I a m n o t s c u m ?
174-Kok
175-Treigit
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I blame all my scummy posts due to a lack of mafia experience. And the fact that I take everything personally. Furthermore, I have a hard time determining when someone is being serious and when someone is being sarcastic. Being paranoid that everyone on MTGS hates me doesn't help either.
You guys are used to experienced players. I am brand new. I say what's on my mind and take little consideration into the deep level of mind reading required in Mafia.
177-DYH, would vote MD but finds my "Chance [MD] might be telling the truth" too incriminating
178-184 Posts not entierly pertaining to MD!
185- AS Unvotes
189- AH's first post in a while; Votes
194- CP unvotes MD
195- Bluesoul Votes MD "Self votign is enough for me"
Those that posted in this period and didn't take a stance on MD: Grimclaw, HE7, Chucklez
Wow, you're right, all of the votes were because you said MD's in another game!
Also, you chide me for discussing the scumminess of MD, you chide me for discussing the nonscummyness of MD, and you're voting me because of my "Pantheon Plan". Obv we shouldn't be discussing any of those things. Hmm, that leaves us: Posts 135, 137, 141, 149, 151, 180, 187
7 posts of the Last 65. Obv we don't need anything to discuss.
I personialy don't think MD is scum but I am concerened about such a fast claim. Although it was even less then a name claim I still dislike it. Claiming at 6 out of 14 votes, IMO, is rather unessesary.
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He didn't claim, by any stretch of the imagination. Anyone who didn't expect Egyptian gods in this game must not have been paying attention, so he didn't make falseclaims easier for those who might need to make them. In reality, he didn't give anything of use to the town at all.
So, either he's breadcrumbing his role (which I think is likely, especially since it's such newbie behavior [not meaning to be derogatory here, I just mean it's something that a lot of new players do because they don't realize that little tidbits of information can mean a lot to all the wrong people, even if they're totally useless to the town]), or else he has some reason to think that he would gain credibility in people's eyes for a pantheon claim like that.
So. People ought to be very careful about revealing pantheon info until either the town decides it needs to be revealed or we know MD's alignment for sure. I don't think we can really draw too much else from his "claim" right now.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Also, you chide me for discussing the scumminess of MD, you chide me for discussing the nonscummyness of MD, and you're voting me because of my "Pantheon Plan".
Could you point me to the bolded chiding? Either I'm losing my mind and I don't recall it, or it didn't happen. (Unless you're referring to the part where I call into question your logic about MD_ needing to be dealt with before the game can progress? I'm not 'chiding' you for discussing MD_'s potential unscumminess as you mention 'clearing', I am disagreeing with the logic you're using there).
And to be clear, I'm voting you because I think it's quite possible you're scum. Your Pantheon Plan is a pretty big driver of that, yes.
Hmmm... well as far as MD goes, I'm thinking right now that he's town, he's just given off more of a newbie feeling than a struggling scum feeling. Currently I have no real good hunches on who may be scum or not.
Those that posted in this period and didn't take a stance on MD: Grimclaw, HE7, Chucklez.
Yawn. By take a stand you mean…..vote or something else? Blink, blink.
I chide you, that’s right, chide you for not reading more closely.
Sometimes a wink and a vote are as good as an FOS to a blind man.
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DYH, I was referring to 177. You're right, rereading it, you make it clear, that it's for my "but the game can't progress" remark, rather than my chance he might be telling the truth remark.
HE7, yes I meant vote or something. It wasn't meant as a condemnation or anything, just pointing out the absurdity that
DYH's
revelation had sparked the wagon. Though specifically, I find you as rather hard to read. You find
I don't think s/he (sounds like a she..) seems that scummy. It seems way, way more noob then anything else. I could slightly see her as being a newb scum trying to placate an experienced player, but that's doesn't seem really right. Whatever the case, I don't believe she is the right moment at this time. I'm going to take another look at the wagon later.
As for his post, Treigit, I'm a little confused as well. The only correlation I've drawn is that the people he didn't "vote" for (Puzzle, Azrael, Axelrod, Carrion Pigeons, CropCircles, aurorasparrow, krashbot101, and himself) are the same list that Kenji put up of "people he didn't want to be scum" with the addition of Krashbot101.
LMAO @ Puzzle. You always manage to find some of the funniest avatar pics/smileys.
I think the addition of Krashbot101 to that list is really the only notable thing in it; I get the impression that HE7 is just playing up the joke of Kenji's paranoia.
@HE7: Would you say that's an accurate assessment? Do you feel like Krash is more likely townie than not?
Can't speak for anyone else, but these are my reasons for voting MD:
(Prior to placing vote)
1. MD votes and unvotes erratically. I find the pattern he displayed early on characteristic of new scum players who vote around until they find something that sticks.
2. Gets defensive when others vote or fos him.
3. Makes totally unnecessary unofficial vote counts, possibly a way to seem helpful without actually contributing.
4. Seems to have a love-hate relationship with Puzzle. Inexplicably votes him, then later unvotes him, then starts sucking up to him.
(After placing vote)
5. Gets completely emo.
6. Breadcrumbs unnecessarily, and states the town WC as if it weren't publicly available info anyway.
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I have no idea what to make of MD. It's hard for me to tell whether he really is just frustrated with newbery, or a first time scum panicked at being caught.
I won't vote for him for now I suppose, but I can't honestly say I am very opposed to a lynch.
Sometimes a wink and a vote are as good as an FOS to a blind man.
Umm... surely I'm misinterpreting this... but it looks like he just claimed a god that can't be anything BUT mafia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samael (check the "Other Traditions" section)
Umm... surely I'm misinterpreting this... but it looks like he just claimed a god that can't be anything BUT mafia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samael (check the "Other Traditions" section)
I'm pretty sure I know who he's subliminally claimed, and it certainly isn't that.
I was frightened, because so many people were voting for me.
Surely, in my mind, the count would have gotten high enough, if I got offline.
I was forced to defend myself, because I wanted to stay and be merry.
Scum, I am not. I would not have acted so scummy if I knew how scum acted.
Good game so far, I suppose, but I wish I had known better strategy (to stay quiet).
Out of everyone here, arimnaes seems the most scummy, by his lame voting reasons.
Damn this blind hate. Instead of voting me, why not simply guide me and help me to grow?
Obviously I never thought Puzzle was scum, but voted for him because it seemed right.
Few know my true motivations for anything. And I apologize to you, Puzzle.
Maybe the inspector can find out what I am tonight and report the findings?
An extra day would be worth it. Then you know that you kept your townies around.
Games like Mafia are a delight, and I really would like it if people were nicer to newbs.
I would like to play in future games, but would definitely keep this game in mind.
Carry on, if you decide to lynch me. We shall purge the evil Gods!!
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I think Kops is onto something. HE7 is obviously Samael/Hoder(Hod)/Azathoth/Verbti/Kui/Io! Lynch the scum!
Kenji, no vote count since then, but given only one bold vote, I think the assumption is that he was only actually voting Chucklez.
Hmm haven't done even a cursory Egyptian god search, so I don't know who MD's subtle claim is yet, but it sounds like it's pretty easy.
MD as far as more advice. You're not going to be voted off in one day, even if you do have 5 votes on you when you leave (Except in extreme cases like Az in WD II) wee need what 14 to lynch?
Also, you should never tell the cop who to investigate. (Exceptions may be made late game.) The inspector may inspect you, they might go for other people they see more scummy. We probably won't know tomorrow. If they're any good they won't say anything, at least until they get a guilty, and likely not even then.
If you're going to subtle claim, make it subtle (I suspect there are at least 6 already in this thread other than yours). If you think you're in imminent danger of lynch (which you aren't at the moment), flat out claim (name or role varies).
Kenji-Anything new, or basically the same arguments DYH is using? (There's not a way of saying that w/out sounding accusatory, sorry.)
@ MD :
1. Why did you unvote me ? "because you seemed like a nice guy." ans "I have no idea who is Mafia and who isn't" aren't anywhere near good enough for me, particularly considering that he piled a fifth vote on me just a tad earlier and actually unvoted after MMoD.
My vote didn't do anything.
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2. Where did he see that CP blamed him for "being polite" or so ?
He FOS'd me for saying that I was polite towards you.
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3. Why did you post a vote count together with your vote on me in #120, despite having already posted one eight posts above ?
I felt like Day 1 was taking a while (I don't honestly know how long it shoudl last) and figured you had the most votes at the time, so I'd vote for you and hopefully progress the game. Remember on AIM, Day 1 lasts about 2 minutes.
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4. Why did you think it was right to vote me if you didn't believe I was scummy ?
I didn't know what you were. I don't know who anyone is (but I do have suspicions at this moment. I didn't then)
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5. How long do you think a day 1 should last ?
I assumed it would take a day or two max. Now I know I was wrong. Hope these answers help.
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I'm very strongly reading MD as non-mafia, and I do feel that pushing him further is only going to cause him to get more upset and dig himself into a hole. Treigit's the one who needs pressure(for reason's stated by DYH).
Yikes, a lot to read since last I checked. For starters MD, Day 1 will most likely last weeks, if not longer. I think you clearly didn't grasp the time scale we're talking about here, and that's where some of your scummy actions have come from. Nobody will lynch you if you log out to go to sleep. Those 4 votes in 20 minutes you mentioned just happened to have been from a fluke of quite a few people online all at the same time.
Right now, I'm convinced that MD is just a total noob and not really scum, which makes Treigit and arimnaes my top suspects of the moment. Yes, MD has done some scummy things, but I just don't think s/he is scum, simply inexperienced and digging a deeper hole. Pushing MD's wagon and fishing for setup information have me fairly convinced. Vote Treigit.
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Puzzle is still scum too. He just gets to live another day.
Seriously, I don't have time to justify anything I just said.
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Thats not me.
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Azrael (1)- Azrael
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grimclaw (1)-loran16
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MD (6)- aurorasparrow, carrion pigeons, krashbot, arimnaes, Puzzle, Treigit
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Anyway, enough about that. I've since admited it was a vote based on horrible logic and I don't see any reason in continuing discussing it.
@MD: I know the feeling of screwing something up early due to inexperience and then feeling completely desperate as the game heads toward your lynch.
*Krashbot101 points to the (unfotunately) dead iPod mafia.*
However, I would strongly advise (as others have) that you stop making random, desperate, and somewhat pointless posts and start actually explaining yourself. Also, I can't speak for anyone else, but at this point, my vote is not on you for a lynch, I just want an explanation.
Lastly, FoS magicofthought for being active today (like 4.5 hours ago) and still having a whopping 0 posts on this thread.
On that note, there are 9 people (including mot) that have less than 4 posts on this thread. It would be nice to see some more posts out of said people seeing as the game has been running for about 48 hours now.
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I don't care if I was framed for murder if I only got a warning I would let it go.
I know what it's like to be a newb and have your playstyle immediately come off as scummy; I like to fish. A lot. I still do. But what you have to realize is that this is not a game with easy answers and that giving up will get you nowhere niether now nor in the future.
I remember in my first mafia game, when it got down to 7 players (3 mafia). The mafia were the most experienced players left, dragging the townies around into lynching each other. You have to trust yourself to make the votes and decisions, because thats the only way you learn. You don't have to be reckless about it, but don't shy away from it.
kops: I believe we can expect very uncommon gods considering d_m says they are from "all over" the net (not just wikipedia, for example).
CC: still not a wagon imo. Its too self-aware to be a real wagon. want a wagon, see MD.
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I won't vote for him for now I suppose, but I can't honestly say I am very opposed to a lynch.
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i just hope my wife doesn't find out.
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DYH, I find the situations to be vastly different. (Of course, I would.)
First of all, in WD II you had a very good reason to suspect that Az wasn't scum, and several people voted for him stating they thought, or knew he wasn't. On the other hand, I have no concrete reason to suspect MD isn't scum. What made me say that I could see him being town, is his whining about his fate, it seems conceivable that it's coming from a dejected newb who's resigned to his inevitable fate at the hands of cruel experts.
However, when one is making blatant scum tells, and there are no better leads around it'd be a very poor play to keep them around just because they say "You're mean!"
Further, as to my comment that the game can't continue with him around, I stand by that. As long as he's viewed as such, there are only three logical ways that the game can progress. Lynching him, clearing him, or having additional information come to light. Before voting MD I actually did a reread (as I mentioned) I went through looking for stuff on Grimclaw, however I could barely concentrate on anything but MD. I suspect others may be in the same situation of missing more subtle clues because this is blinding us.
Also, "Horrendous Pantheon plan?" One, it wasn't a plan so much as a conversation. Two, how is it horrendous?
Wow, so defensive. And this is only one of the posts I could have quoted. vote: MD I guess.
I can see it now. "You can't lynch me! I am the alpha and the omega, the begining and the *hurk*"
Oh the drama! * Abandon Hope places hand on brow and keels over
I generally check the web once a day. I'm on 56k, and I have a life (we all do). If you don't like a laid back posting pattern, vote for me. It's summer. Relax in the shade.
Agreed. I'm not on 56K, but it IS summer, and people ARE involved with other things.
I'm aware that lurking hurts the game, but even the few posts they have made are better than nothing.
So just chill out, I'm sure they'll be less busy at some point, and be able to post more.
Tragit, I like your post about MD. I agree with you, he does seem rather...in the way of things.
Does anyone have more info on MD, or a theory, or something? Or do we all have the similar idea of him being a nuisance, and we have mixed feelings about what should be done?
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You've already acknowledged it's "scummy", even if it's in jest (and making light of it doesn't make it something we should ignore); set-up speculation is typically regarded as something the mafia is more interested in pursuing. It's not helping us find scum, it's giving them information.
For example, when people bring up a sect, I think it's naturally going to be assumed by others that perhaps that's where their role claim comes from. So, point 1, while trying to make yourself look like a good little townie, is really self-defeating by encouraging the pursuit of this "conversation". See, for example, people might think you're a Hindi god because of the way you added them on here with point 2.
What are you trying to accomplish with point 3 other than more idle speculation, or for Almighty God and/or Jesus to come out and claim here day one? To steal an oft-used line: This is not helpful.
Point 4: Wikipedia, Pantheon.org, google, etc.. We are playing on an internet game, we all have access to these things to do our own research without publicly displaying it to the scum.
I'm reading through the thread just fine, thank you very much.
People go through days in mafia games with suspicion on them, not being cleared, nor lynched all the time. Oftentimes because there are other things worthy of discussing, too. You seem to be deflecting here. (Why look at me- we need to deal with MD_?)
Basically, I don't like what you've been doing at all. There's plenty going on to discuss without going into setup speculation.
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Yes, I have a theory. I presented a really stupid point about MD_ not being in his first game (oh noes, it's his second and they started within days of one another! LAL!) and suddenly his wagon went haywire. He certainly said some silly things before that point, but go back and look at the sudden spike in votes after that. I'm really inclined to believe he's a whiny, selfish, newbie townie.
I think we've got some scum voting for him, if you ask me.
And AS has gained major townie points, IMO, for this logic.
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As for Treigit... he is definately fishing, probably in dangerous waters. He is also breadcrumbing, also in dangerous waters. However, I can't really decide if he is really scumm or not... however, if anything there is definately more solid basis for a bandwagon against him than MD, and I really think it's Time for people to start thinking harder about their votes.
Last thing, this quote just struck my gut as scummy... really not sure if it is or not but I just have a hunch:
Again, don't know for sure, but my gut doesn't like it.
Anyway, unvote MD
While my suspicion of him certainly hasn't abated, I can see that it's just too easy to get a rise out of him at this point to read his tells, and I want an opportunity to find some more condemning evidence against when he isn't under pressure. It's too easy to lynch emotional players who voluntarily cut off their own potential sources of support, regardless of their alignment.
Expect to be looked at, hard, from this point on, MD.
Additionally, there are a few people who hopped on that bandwagon for very poor reasons, and I'd like to exert a little pressure elsewhere.
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Vote MD, FOS: Aurorasparrow + Arimnaes
(Aurorasparrow for the attempted clearing of MD, Arimnaes for minor fishing.)
For the record, I do vote people on principle for self-voting. There is, at times, a time and a place to sacrifice yourself for the betterment of the town's position. However, this is neither the time nor the place. Right now it's definitely as good of a place as any to continue the day.
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My friends, this guy is 100% scum. I'm a newb and even I can see it.
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153-DYH Says MD is in another game on another site w/ similar starting times.
154-Krash Votes siting "Lurking while excusing lurking"
156-Arimnaes votes "in light of the last post"
158-DYH
160-DYH (Declares someone other than MD as a suspect)
162-Treigit, no vote change
163-Leilani no vote
164-Puzzle votes, siting several of MD's recent posts
165-Kops no vote
167-DYH No Vote
169-No Vote Change
171-Leilani FoS MD
172-Treigit Vote MD siting "Selfvoting, Early Defensivness, Wishing the Scum GG"
174-Kok
175-Treigit
177-DYH, would vote MD but finds my "Chance [MD] might be telling the truth" too incriminating
178-184 Posts not entierly pertaining to MD!
185- AS Unvotes
189- AH's first post in a while; Votes
194- CP unvotes MD
195- Bluesoul Votes MD "Self votign is enough for me"
Those that posted in this period and didn't take a stance on MD: Grimclaw, HE7, Chucklez
Wow, you're right, all of the votes were because you said MD's in another game!
Also, you chide me for discussing the scumminess of MD, you chide me for discussing the nonscummyness of MD, and you're voting me because of my "Pantheon Plan". Obv we shouldn't be discussing any of those things. Hmm, that leaves us: Posts 135, 137, 141, 149, 151, 180, 187
7 posts of the Last 65. Obv we don't need anything to discuss.
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He didn't claim, by any stretch of the imagination. Anyone who didn't expect Egyptian gods in this game must not have been paying attention, so he didn't make falseclaims easier for those who might need to make them. In reality, he didn't give anything of use to the town at all.
So, either he's breadcrumbing his role (which I think is likely, especially since it's such newbie behavior [not meaning to be derogatory here, I just mean it's something that a lot of new players do because they don't realize that little tidbits of information can mean a lot to all the wrong people, even if they're totally useless to the town]), or else he has some reason to think that he would gain credibility in people's eyes for a pantheon claim like that.
So. People ought to be very careful about revealing pantheon info until either the town decides it needs to be revealed or we know MD's alignment for sure. I don't think we can really draw too much else from his "claim" right now.
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Could you point me to the bolded chiding? Either I'm losing my mind and I don't recall it, or it didn't happen. (Unless you're referring to the part where I call into question your logic about MD_ needing to be dealt with before the game can progress? I'm not 'chiding' you for discussing MD_'s potential unscumminess as you mention 'clearing', I am disagreeing with the logic you're using there).
And to be clear, I'm voting you because I think it's quite possible you're scum. Your Pantheon Plan is a pretty big driver of that, yes.
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My, what a big post you have.
Time lines are so much better then having to read the actual posts.
Yawn. By take a stand you mean…..vote or something else? Blink, blink.
I chide you, that’s right, chide you for not reading more closely.
Sometimes a wink and a vote are as good as an FOS to a blind man.
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I like this guy. FOS the MD wagon.
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HE7, yes I meant vote or something. It wasn't meant as a condemnation or anything, just pointing out the absurdity that
As for his post, Treigit, I'm a little confused as well. The only correlation I've drawn is that the people he didn't "vote" for (Puzzle, Azrael, Axelrod, Carrion Pigeons, CropCircles, aurorasparrow, krashbot101, and himself) are the same list that Kenji put up of "people he didn't want to be scum" with the addition of Krashbot101.
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I think the addition of Krashbot101 to that list is really the only notable thing in it; I get the impression that HE7 is just playing up the joke of Kenji's paranoia.
@HE7: Would you say that's an accurate assessment? Do you feel like Krash is more likely townie than not?
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(Prior to placing vote)
1. MD votes and unvotes erratically. I find the pattern he displayed early on characteristic of new scum players who vote around until they find something that sticks.
2. Gets defensive when others vote or fos him.
3. Makes totally unnecessary unofficial vote counts, possibly a way to seem helpful without actually contributing.
4. Seems to have a love-hate relationship with Puzzle. Inexplicably votes him, then later unvotes him, then starts sucking up to him.
(After placing vote)
5. Gets completely emo.
6. Breadcrumbs unnecessarily, and states the town WC as if it weren't publicly available info anyway.
fos Chucklez.
Umm... surely I'm misinterpreting this... but it looks like he just claimed a god that can't be anything BUT mafia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samael (check the "Other Traditions" section)
I'm pretty sure I know who he's subliminally claimed, and it certainly isn't that.
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Surely, in my mind, the count would have gotten high enough, if I got offline.
I was forced to defend myself, because I wanted to stay and be merry.
Scum, I am not. I would not have acted so scummy if I knew how scum acted.
Good game so far, I suppose, but I wish I had known better strategy (to stay quiet).
Out of everyone here, arimnaes seems the most scummy, by his lame voting reasons.
Damn this blind hate. Instead of voting me, why not simply guide me and help me to grow?
Obviously I never thought Puzzle was scum, but voted for him because it seemed right.
Few know my true motivations for anything. And I apologize to you, Puzzle.
Maybe the inspector can find out what I am tonight and report the findings?
An extra day would be worth it. Then you know that you kept your townies around.
Games like Mafia are a delight, and I really would like it if people were nicer to newbs.
I would like to play in future games, but would definitely keep this game in mind.
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Kenji, no vote count since then, but given only one bold vote, I think the assumption is that he was only actually voting Chucklez.
Hmm haven't done even a cursory Egyptian god search, so I don't know who MD's subtle claim is yet, but it sounds like it's pretty easy.
MD as far as more advice. You're not going to be voted off in one day, even if you do have 5 votes on you when you leave (Except in extreme cases like Az in WD II) wee need what 14 to lynch?
Also, you should never tell the cop who to investigate. (Exceptions may be made late game.) The inspector may inspect you, they might go for other people they see more scummy. We probably won't know tomorrow. If they're any good they won't say anything, at least until they get a guilty, and likely not even then.
If you're going to subtle claim, make it subtle (I suspect there are at least 6 already in this thread other than yours). If you think you're in imminent danger of lynch (which you aren't at the moment), flat out claim (name or role varies).
Kenji-Anything new, or basically the same arguments DYH is using? (There's not a way of saying that w/out sounding accusatory, sorry.)
no offense but that's kind of sad considering s/he spelled it out for you....
My vote didn't do anything.
He FOS'd me for saying that I was polite towards you.
I felt like Day 1 was taking a while (I don't honestly know how long it shoudl last) and figured you had the most votes at the time, so I'd vote for you and hopefully progress the game. Remember on AIM, Day 1 lasts about 2 minutes.
I didn't know what you were. I don't know who anyone is (but I do have suspicions at this moment. I didn't then)
I assumed it would take a day or two max. Now I know I was wrong. Hope these answers help.
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I'm very strongly reading MD as non-mafia, and I do feel that pushing him further is only going to cause him to get more upset and dig himself into a hole. Treigit's the one who needs pressure(for reason's stated by DYH).
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Wow. I'm not very observant am I?
Although I did have it to within three Gods (including the corrct one) based on the content of the post)
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Right now, I'm convinced that MD is just a total noob and not really scum, which makes Treigit and arimnaes my top suspects of the moment. Yes, MD has done some scummy things, but I just don't think s/he is scum, simply inexperienced and digging a deeper hole. Pushing MD's wagon and fishing for setup information have me fairly convinced. Vote Treigit.
"I know nothing of the law, only vengence" -Dom, U/G madness
Because he is scum. Obv.
Unvote;
Vote: Tregit
Puzzle is still scum too. He just gets to live another day.
Seriously, I don't have time to justify anything I just said.
Does someone want to list the charges so I can respond?
You are kidding, right? I'm not retyping everything I've said today.
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