MTG Salvation

I thgout the 'Random' in Random Mafia meant the role flavors, not how we should be playing.......

So far we have an obviously faked posting restriction, a vanilla role claim, someone voting No Lynch, and a person needing replacement and we aren't even 100 posts into the game yet. Can we be any more random?!?!?

Quote from Forgotten One

Can we be any more random?!?!?

There's a tradition on this site of wasting the first day or two of any game being silly. Think of it as a kind of forum version of standup comedy.

Vote: Banana

Admit it, you said wow laughed!

Effective immediately Chimpanzee replaces Sgdre.

You all are together in the designated meeting room, when suddenly, Bateleur grabs a banana out of his pocket, throws it on the ground and starts jumping on top of it, smashing it to a pulp. Chimpanzee, who appears out of no where, pushes Bateleur out of the way, pulls out a straw and starts drinking the banana pulp straight off the floor.

Banana Vote Count:
Abandon Hope 1 (Puzzle)
MJM 2 (LFR, Ged)
Arimnaes 3 (Faerie Lord, MMOD, FO)
Apok Kid 1 (Faeran)
YuanTi 1 (Apok Kid)
MMOD 1 (Arim)
Tanarin 2 (Yuanti, Zionite)
No Lynch 1 (Tanarin)

Banana 1 (Bateleur)

Still 19 alive, 10 to lynch

Is that how they make banana smoothies in England?

Not checking the site ftl. Bah.

Unvote
Vote Zionite

Quote from LookingforReality

Unvote
Vote Zionite

LMAO nice...not even an explanation...I love you LfR!

OMG! Chambering in random phase! Blatant scum tell!

Unvote Vote Banana
That tasted scummy. We should lynch it.

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LMAO nice...not even an explanation...I love you LfR!

Why aren't you dead?

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LMAO nice...not even an explanation...I love you LfR!

I can take a guess as to what his reason is.

In the meantime,

Ok again if you didn't see my signup post, I am new here on the forumn, not to Mafia. I know a No Lynch can be suicide, but then again it could be a clue or a tell depending on the circumstances (At least I have found that to be true.)

Unvote Vote Arimnaes

The Bandwagon looks like fun.

Bandwagons are freaking pro.

Unvote, vote Arimnaes!

Unvote, Vote tanarin. You bandwagoner!

Unvote Vote Ged
That's the third vote on Tanarin you hypocrite!

Darned tootin'!

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Hmmmm, no. But are you saying you were then ?

I was not joking. I want to know why you are voting me. I don't think a pbpa should take long at this point.

Quote from ZasZ234

Played in neither of the first two Random Mafias, but I find it amusing to read them. I laughed out loud, when I read chamber was silenced day 1 in Random I.
Definitely explains something

I also don't get the relevance... and also why bateleur not simply reads the games - they are public...
But dude, Axelrod, was there a game of Mafia on MtG-Sally you didn't participate in? You're like everywhere!

In other news: A little late I realized that director Akira Kurosawa died - 9 years ago...
So much on relevance.

*keeping one eye on each of you

greetings
Z

I tend to think that players who make these sort of posts are scummy. In this post, there is:
-An overuse of smileys.
-Completely irrelevant details meant to convey your "mood"
-Unnecessary color change of text.
-An attempt to "make friendly".

These things are usually also dependent on metagaming, however, and depending on the player, not necessarily made by scum, which is why I asked.

The fact you sign your posts with "Greetings, Z" is also an indication that it's just a "Z" thing.

Unvote, Vote YuanTi.

For sure.

Quote from Puzzle

What intrigues me most is the complete absence of reaction from any other player

Except me.

I'm taking my vote seriously.

@ Yuan-ti, LfR and MMoD in particular : what do you think of what AH is saying ?

I take it he's fishing for reactions. I think he knows what he is doing.

Unvote.
Aha, now we're getting somewhere...I think like yuan I had attributed those posts to randomness, but you are right, it shouldn't be ignored just because of the flavor of the game bleeding out onto the players.
AH, why the early claim? Even if you are just screwing around, a claim is a serious thing.

@LfR, fishing for reactions? Maybe...but I still think if we want this show on the road we need a place to start, and this is as good as any. Also, compared to most of the other players, AH seems to be slightly different with his posts, using Puzzles guide. Though one of the links don't work, the bottom one.

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and win condition he was given in his role PM. (I also advice townies not to discuss what's wrong about the description of the win condition right away, if such a case occures.)

I advise that this is almost certainly against the rules.

Unvote, vote Yuan Ti for various sundry scumtells. Mostly minor behavioral things right now, but it's better than nothing.

Z: I get the point, but I did not know this before, which is why I bothered to check.

Zas: That :banana:'s been there for a while, but I only added that link to it since I received my role pm.

So, wait... Abandon Hope actually name claimed in his first post of the game? I had assumed the post was a joke on being chocolate, yet vanilla. I'm not really sure if that's a scum tell, because it doesn't make much sense as an action for either side. I'd at least like to know why he did.

Explanation please, AH?

Quote from LookingforReallity »

I think he knows what he is doing.

I think I'll be able to dispel that notion soon enough.

Quote from YuanTi »

AH: Any reason you're claiming (or false-claiming) and taking votes badly? Are you new?

I have reasons. I am not new.

Quote from ZasZ234 »

proposal to discuss: I think we can demand a deeper paraphrased exploration of the flavor and win condition he was given in his role PM. (I also advice townies not to discuss what's wrong about the description of the win condition right away, if such a case occures.)

what I wanna know by AH: But before I also want to hear AH's reason for making such an early bold and aggressive play without the slightest back-up.

I think you can demand all you want. I have nothing more to say about my role PM. I will Vote: ZasZ234.

I totally missed that claim. Unvote.

Giving the town something to talk about and get reactions from early on day 1 is not a scum move, though. It's all in perspective.

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I have nothing more to say about my role PM.

I should hope not, because that would contradict your Vanilla claim, right?

I have reasons.

Then you should give them explicitly at this point since unless you falseclaimed we already know everything there is to know about your character.

Vote: Abandon Hope

...until such a time as you explain fully (or adequately clarify why you shouldn't have to).

I guess Abandon wants to either get reactions out of us or give us a reason not to consider him for votes. The latter is pretty scummy, and the former doesn't always work. But since I don't know either...

Why exactly do you want to give away something as powerful as a claim at the very beginning? I can think of only very few reasons why that's a good thing, but generally it's not good at all. What are you trying to do? Crypticism isn't helping.

I'm going to Vote tanarin. He said he's not new, yet he votes no lynch?...I take that as something scummy that deserves pushing.

I know AH isn't new, so I have to wonder what he's doing. His play is confusing to say the least as he apparently isn't joking about his claim and such. Fos AH.
Tanarin is another spike on the old 'dar. If he actually isn't new, then he is doing something weird. Voting no lynch is something that shouldn't happen until the endgame / something weird. Fos Tanarin.
I'm only fosing because I more want answers / info than a lynch right now.

Hey I can tell you right now I am clean AK. I may have No Lynched, but I did eventually unvote it. I really think though looking at me is the wrong move. But to each their own.

My vote on Yuanti was not a random vote, and I thought AH was making a funny.

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My vote on Yuanti was not a random vote, and I thought AH was making a funny.

So did chimpanzee, but we can see from AH's post, it wasn't supposed to be funny. He's still serious about it. I don't want to vote him if he's telling the truth, but depending on his reasons it might be necessary.

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Hey I can tell you right now I am clean AK. I may have No Lynched, but I did eventually unvote it. I really think though looking at me is the wrong move. But to each their own.

Vote tanarin

I still want answers from AH, but this post just sounds scummy.

@tanarin: Where have you played mafia before? Are the playstyles there significantly different than at MTGS?

And I (along with everyone else) second the motion to have AH start talkin'. And to me, AH's post seemed like just more randomness, because it was, yeh know, in the random vote stage. If puzzle hadn't voted him then we might not have even realized he was being serious.

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Why vote me?

I am concerned with your play so far. I find that enough justification on day one.

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Vote: Abandon Hope

...until such a time as you explain fully (or adequately clarify why you shouldn't have to).

I will not be bullied into any course of action I don't deem worthwhile.

Quote from Abandon Hope

I will not be bullied into any course of action I don't deem worthwhile.

I'm not proposing to bully you. My vote represents my view. When you have enough votes on you to put you close to being lynched then we'll see if your views change at all.

I hear not being lynched is quite "worthwhile".

Vote Abandon Hope. You don't deem this worthwhile? I'm tired of you're cool attitude and condescending tone. You didn't even answer the question everyone is asking, "why?" So until you explain yourself or you're endanger of a speedlynch, this vote stays.

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Vote Abandon Hope. You don't deem this worthwhile? I'm tired of you're cool attitude and condescending tone. You didn't even answer the question everyone is asking, "why?" So until you explain yourself or you're endanger of a speedlynch, this vote stays.

I am glad you understand. I have more worthwhile things on which to concentrate than my personal longevity. I wonder if you and Bate will really have the tenacity to maintain your votes. I doubt it.

Quote from Abandon Hope

I am glad you understand. I have more worthwhile things on which to concentrate than my personal longevity.

If you are a townie then actually not getting yourself lynched is fairly important I would have thought?

I wonder if you and Bate will really have the tenacity to maintain your votes. I doubt it.

Townies don't work alone. If the rest of the town concludes that you are not worth pursuing then I will not pursue you. If they don't like your play either then I won't need much tenacity!

Once I vote count comes up, I'll probably vote AH. He's being patently rediculous, he's disregarding the case against him, an is really being very scummy in my eyes. Count this as a proxy vote for him until I see a vote count.
Tanarin also went up in scumminess since my last post. We only need scum to slip up once to get them, and I think Tanascum slipped up on the no-lynch, as an experienced player knows that you(afaik) NEVER no-lynch day-1. His explanation of "but I unvoted, I'm clean, really" just makes him scummier. vote tanarin

Vote Tanarin. While it's something I'd expect more from chamber than anyone else, I think I can respect what AH is doing. Tanarin is meh with his no lynch and his wagoning, but especially with post 120, which sounds... terrible.

I'm with yuan here. What positive thing could come from what AH is doing?

Now that everyones focus is off the banana's you all move onto real targets, except Zas. He starts babbling about Bruce Willis in this movie he saw once. You all decide to just ignore him and get down to business.

Bruce Willis is a bad man Vote Count:
Abandon Hope 4 (Puzzle, Yuanti, Bate, Zionite)
Arimnaes 3 (Faerie Lord, FO, tanarin)
YuanTi 2 (MMOD, Arim)
Zionite 1 (LFR)
Tanarin 4 (Faeran, Chimp, Apok Kid, Ged)

John McClane 1 (Zas)

Not Voting: Tanarin, Axelrod, LJustus

Still 19 alive, 10 to lynch

Who's the 4th voter on arim?

Quote from Matjoeman

@tanarin: Where have you played mafia before? Are the playstyles there significantly different than at MTGS?

I have played Mafia over on 2 non Magic related boards (A40K board and a board for Real Life COmics,) and yes the playstyle on both is nowhere near as hardcore as it is here.

The hope wagon is terrible.

Quote from LookingforReality

The hope wagon is terrible.

On what basis?

Go ahead and defend him if you think it's appropriate.