Go ahead and defend him if you think it's appropriate.
It reeks of opportunistic scum. Look at Zion's vote, for example.
Vote Abandon Hope. You don't deem this worthwhile? I'm tired of you're cool attitude and condescending tone. You didn't even answer the question everyone is asking, "why?" So until you explain yourself or you're endanger of a speedlynch, this vote stays.
The last sentence is horribly scummy. Zion is encouraging a speedlynch on AH unless he defends himself. Speedlynches are usually bad, btw.
I don't like YT's vote either. The fact that the bandwagoners looks bad makes AH look much better in my opinion.
But then provide a possible excuse for Abandon Hope's behaviour, because I can't think of one.
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But then provide a possible excuse for Abandon Hope's behaviour, because I can't think of one.
I don't need an excuse. I think at least one, possibly two scum are on the wagon. Usually, scum wagons with only four votes don't have that many scum on them (note: usually). That's enough for me to think that the wagon is a bad idea.
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@Puzzle, I flossed over the first few random-pages (which to me was pretty much up to around 100) and did not take note of what AH said. When you put the link up to AH's posts, post 96 took me to post 72, and I did not realize that it took me to the wrong post (I just assumed AH was being a smartass or something). Now that I know he's not joking, I don't really know what he's trying to do. It doesn't seem like a scum-move to me, as there's really no benefit that I can see. Thus, I don't agree with his wagon. Whatever he did, he did for a reason most likely, and I'm giving him the benefit of doubt right now.
My vote on YuanTi comes from the way he was posting in his first few pages. I'll go back and elaborate on it tonight probably (need to finish up some assignments).
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I'm reviewing. @Zas: is there any particular reason you single me out in post #140?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I don't consider bizarre behavior by itself a scum tell, so until I see AH doing something genuinely anti-town, I don't see what the point is of pressing him for information.
Soooooo... Yuan Ti. You're scum with Zionite, right?
Read again. Get it yet? Zionite says he will unvote if there is danger of a speedlynch.
FoS: LfR for bad logic and still not giving a reason why voting AH is a bad idea.
Yuan, that's a very ambiguous meaning, and I would have loved it if Zion had explained that.
Regardless, there is no "bad logic" in what I posted. And yes, I have given a reason for why voting AH is a bad idea. There probably are scums on the wagon. Please read.
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Soooooo... Yuan Ti. You're scum with Zionite, right?
So until you explain yourself or you're endanger of a speedlynch, this vote stays.
That can be read as:
So until you explain yourself or you're endanger of a speedlynch, I will keep my vote on you.
or
So until you explain yourself or you're endanger of a speedlynch. I will keep my vote on you.
Your use of maths is funny. I'm not using numbers but my brain and my gut to determine that I think at least one of you and Zion are scum. I'm "scumhunting", if you will. By your numbers we shouldn't attack anybody because we all have a slim chance of being mafia.
Meaning the chance of any of us being scum is high so on average 1 person will be scum. we know that, its obvious. But should that draw suspicion. What have we done to bring suspicion apart from voting a 1st posting claimer who says he's experienced but won't claim it. I'm pretty sure thats reasonable.
I'm obviously voting you for different reasons then you suggest here. And if that's the conclusion to your numbers argument, I'm a bit disappointed.
Why do you defend him, surely as a townie you want to know why he claimed on day 1. 6 people have asked why so far, thats more than there are mafia.
1. I don't think he's scum.
2. I think he has a reason for what he is doing.
3. I think that in general, townies should not fish for information from who they think are town.
Conclusion: therefore, I am not going to ask AH for reasoning as to why he claimed.
So Arimanes, your scum with AH and LfR right?
Number determine that this idea is unlikely. But we don't need them anyway. Unvote Vote Yuanti.
Why do you defend him, surely as a townie you want to know why he claimed on day 1. 6 people have asked why so far, thats more than there are mafia.
You're asking the wrong question. I would like to know what role every other player has, but doing so would require them to spill that info in thread, which would mean the scum would know as well. The proper question is whether it's helpful or harmful to the town to have such information out in the open, and I haven't seen AH do anything that makes me think he's scum yet. Thus, I don't see a reason to squeeze information out of him about a play that is strange but not inherently scummy.
And if the town made decisions the way you're suggesting, it would be 19 alive, 6 to lynch.
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So Arimanes, your scum with AH and LfR right?
Unvote, Vote: Arimanes for being a more suspicious overall than AH.
That was an odd response to a relatively innocent little prod.
I know AH isn't new, so I have to wonder what he's doing. His play is confusing to say the least as he apparently isn't joking about his claim and such. Fos AH.
Tanarin is another spike on the old 'dar. If he actually isn't new, then he is doing something weird. Voting no lynch is something that shouldn't happen until the endgame / something weird. Fos Tanarin.
I'm only fosing because I more want answers / info than a lynch right now.
I was excited when I saw this:
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Once I vote count comes up, I'll probably vote AH. He's being patently rediculous, he's disregarding the case against him, an is really being very scummy in my eyes. Count this as a proxy vote for him until I see a vote count.
Tanarin also went up in scumminess since my last post. We only need scum to slip up once to get them, and I think Tanascum slipped up on the no-lynch, as an experienced player knows that you(afaik) NEVER no-lynch day-1. His explanation of "but I unvoted, I'm clean, really" just makes him scummier. vote tanarin
I see Apocalypse Kid doling out suspicion without commitment in the first post. I see Apocalypse Kid supporting my wagon without actually voting me in the second. I know there are around five people who know I am probably telling the truth. I know they want to be cautious about voting me, because they know how that will end. I have been looking for you Apocalypse Kid. I unvote: ZasZ234, vote: Apocalypse Kid.
I'm not sold on the tanarin wagon either, but the players on it look cleaner.
Tanarin: what do you think of the wagon on you?
Honestly, I can understand looking at some of the other games here why they may be cautious of me. Then again i also think I could also just be a scapegoat for the mafia, who are looking for an easy way out of day 1. I really don't know though.
@YuanTi: Your math is making me suspisious of you. You say there are 5 Mafia, but you aren't taking into account there may be other roles we don't know about like an SK or even a second Mafia group. For all we know this game could end on day one with a Martyr lynch. So while the assumption is valid, we just don't know what other roles were assigned that could lower/raise the mafia count, that is unless you happen to know exactly how many mafia their are because you are mafia yourself.
Unvote; FoS: YuanTi
I just have a feeling you are witholding something we should know.
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Ok here's the thing, I see what AH is doing, and I respect that. I just don't see why he has to be so...unconcerned about it. I know he can't outright say it, but he can at least stop with being cryptic and answer for some of his actions. A couple of other things:
#145 Is where I was horribly misrepresented by LfR. I was not encouraging a speedlynch at all. I was in fact promising an unvote if we were endanger of it. Since you did explain that you made a mistake(an easy one) I'll let it go though. It's fine. Try not to bring unwarranted suspicion on me in the future however if you can help it.
#151 Arimnaes, the reason for a vote on AH is purely for information. I tried to convey that in the post that LfR misinterpreted. If it was going closer to a lynch, I'd unvote until I saw a resonable and solid case in which he'd be scum. Also, what exactly is going on that links me to yuan? You're accusing with no evidence, could you point out a particular post of some sort? I think it's too early to be picking out scum pairs, but if you have some evidence we'll have something.
#152 LfR, to your first statement, I was freaking pissed when I saw that you had completely misrepresented me. I tried to reply ever since then, but I got a white screen, and it wouldn't let me post. You should realize the error with the site and not place the blame solely on me. Also, I agree with your logic, and I do see that my vote is newb now. Unvote. I wasn't convinced until you mentioned that drawing information from a townie was a bad thing, and I completely agree. If AH pops out later on for strange behavior though, I'll be concerned.
#157 Yuan, while your reasoning would be perfect if we were all AI, we're humans with thoughts and mistakes. You completely miss the human factor that some people are better at hiding scumminess than others. And still others stand out as scummy when they're not. It is likely that there are scum on the wagon, because scum are opportunistic and easily join wagons. That has nothing to do with chance, which is the entire basis of your post. Even your comment about "6 people have ask so far...more than mafia" is fundamentally flawed. Some of those people may know what is going on, and creating a purposeful wagon that's easy to join. Others may be making a simple mistake. For that 'X' factor, LfR accounted by saying "One, maybe two" instead of all 5 or whatever.
Yuan: in some games there is a martyr role, if he/she gets lynched it is a win for him and possibly even a game over (The mod can opt to continue the game if he/she so chooses.)
I don't know which is worse, or the maths or the logic.
A rather ironically self-descriptive statement.
Say he's mafia, next player has a 4/19 chance of being mafia. Say he's mafia, next player has a 3/18 chance, say he's mafia, final player has a 12/17 chance of being mafia. So add that all up and there is a 0.001031991/1 chance that all players are mafia. So I have a higher chance of being in hospital or dead tomorrow than this being a scum wagon.
Absolute and total straw man. You give the odds of a 100% mafia attack, which is not the claim LFR made at all, but that there were some mafia on the wagon.
The subsequent math is reasonable up until...
Why do you defend him, surely as a townie you want to know why he claimed on day 1. 6 people have asked why so far, thats more than there are mafia.
So Arimanes, your scum with AH and LfR right?
Unvote, Vote: Arimanes for being a more suspicious overall than AH.
FoS: LfR and AH
Where does the vote on Arimnaes come from?! The whole post is addressed towards a point made by LFR and then he votes arim who's only recent post is:
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I don't consider bizarre behavior by itself a scum tell, so until I see AH doing something genuinely anti-town, I don't see what the point is of pressing him for information.
Soooooo... Yuan Ti. You're scum with Zionite, right?
As far as I can tell, this whole post is a weak attack at one person followed by an OMGUS at another. UnvoteVote Yuan Ti
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Oh BTW, the maths is wrong, deliberately. I'm giving an example of poor logic.
I don't really sense a sarcastic in the original post, and it seems weird to intentionally use bad logic to argue a point you agree with and not even note that you're doing it in the original post. This seems like a backpedal to me.
#165 You dodged the question you quoted, IMO. Obviously he can't answer your question, as he doesn't know the information you're withholding, the definition of withheld information. It's his feeling about you, meaning you're being uninformative in your posts in general. Could you attempt to bring more information forward?
#166 Wait...you're purposefully bringing forth false information then? Why would you try to confuse the town? If you were in some strange, twisted way trying to help the town by posting an example of bad logic, you could've posted a disclaimer, but even then you're lurking without lurking by posting something devoid of usable content. AND, if you were joking, then you were also joking about a Vote and two FoSes? As well as a Scum TRIO accusation? I don't see how this in any way helps the town if you're joking around, and if you were serious, your logic is horribly flawed.
This contains the word 'know' far to often and in places where it doesn't belong.
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He's referring to the scum in the game. Though I don't know how he specifically "knows" how many scum there are, because it could be more than 5, less than 5, anything. If he has information like that, he might want to share.
Also, what exactly is going on that links me to yuan? You're accusing with no evidence, could you point out a particular post of some sort? I think it's too early to be picking out scum pairs, but if you have some evidence we'll have something.
Oh, that was mostly stuck out there to see how YuanTi would react. It has served its purpose.
The basis was simply the fact that you two seemed to be sticking together. You agreed with each other about AH and he fielded questions from LfR for you. It's not usual - or good - practice for a townie to go out on a limb for another player when they have no information about that player's alignment. Which looks worse specifically for YuanTi than it does for you.
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I don't know how he specifically "knows" how many scum there are, because it could be more than 5, less than 5, anything.
There's one fairly reliable way to know how many scum there are. If you get my drift.
Well, should I go into why the maths is incorrect or not bother? Do you really believe I can't work out that working it out on base statisics alone is idiotic?
@Zionite: I have absolutely nothing to reveal to the town. So I can't really answer the question any better than that. Plus I thought that the scum trio thing was written in a way it would never be taken seriously.
Anything else before I call it a night?
Yeah, you could explain why you're backpedaling before I go to work. I don't buy that you weren't being serious, there are no sarcastic tells or anything, not even a smiley. And even if you weren't serious, why would you post false information to confuse the town? You're only causing trouble for us by purposefully posting a long joke.
Fine. You have nothing to reveal to the town. That wasn't the concern. The concern was that you're not being informative. Thats where his feeling that you're hiding something came from, not anything specific but just in general. I request that you at least try to explain yourself more in the future.
yuanti, you deliberately posted incorrect math as part of your argument? So you intentionally mislead the town? That makes no sense for you to do as town. Why you would intentionally post incorrect info like that is beyond me. You haven't posted anything with non-lie content recently. Your vote of arimnaes seems random and unwarranted, unlike this; Vote yuanti.
That doesn't make it not scummy. Not to reference current games, but in all my noob games, I've played pretty similarly, in an accidentally, apparently scummy, manor. I wasn't scum for the first 2; this doesn't preclude me from being scum in the 3rd. If doing scummy stuff is alledgedly your playstyle, then we couldn't tell if you're scum or not. However, when people are doing scummy stuff, I at least, assume their scum, as town shouldn't be acting as scummy.
I advise you look at noob 13, I also do it to a lesser extent in 14. I do this really often accidentally and I've never been a Mafia role before.
Making excuses for your bad play? I'm not going to be the townie you saved to make yourself look better. You can try your charade somewhere else.
Vote Yuan
I'm done with your song and dance. You're defending what you admit as a contentless post and defending yourself weakly as well. Your vote on arimeneas is unwarranted and unexplained. You're being scummy as hell, and I don't like it. If anyone wants to see a case against him, you can read the last 40 posts or so and get an idea why I feel a vote is necessary.
so we shouldn't consider you scummy for defending other players, but we should consider arimnaes scummy for doing something similar, only with logic behind his actions?:raise:
And it looks like I've been sarnathed by YuanTi partially (?) claiming. At least wait for everyone to weigh in on this issue before you go any further.
Ugh, I tried to post this 50 posts ago, but, alas...
AH's actions could have several townie motives.
1. Vanilla is a claim unlikely to be believed when made under pressure. Claiming now increases the chances that he's taken seriously.
2. Discussion is hard to come by on day 1, and this is a great place to start. The wagon on him, his claim itself, and everyone else's reactions are much more than most people get this early in the game.
The cost of this is that he comes across as crazy and the pool of potential power roles for the mafia to target goes down. But deciding the benefits are worth the costs is reasonable.
Ok, never mind, I just did. Where the bleep did all those votes on YuanTi come from? Is he lynched yet? Because it looks like he's pretty freakin' close. Cool it off, guys.
It did look like a vanilla claim on his part, but after a read, his actions are pretty much all scummy. Pending a vote count, I'll likely vote YuanTi at my next opportunity.
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
Yuan Ti has 7 votes by my count. It is 9 to lynch.
Yuan Ti is scum. Ziontie and Apokalypse Kid are right behind him. Ged wouldn't surprise me one bit if he is scum as well.
Unvote, Vote: Yuan Ti
That's lynch -1 folks.
Jesus christ man, what are you doing? We're trying to wait and hold off before we do this, day one hasn't gone on nearly long enough. It's 10 to lynch. Not 9. He's at -3 I think, unless LfR was voting for him and you're count is accurate, which I doubt. So he's safe for now.
I don't appreciate you trying to get a quick lynch in before you night kill someone. That's incredibly scummy, along with you presenting no evidence on how any of the accused are scum, and no reason whatsoever to place a vote on Yuan. Even if you did have reasons, we need everyone's input on this! Vote Forgotten One. Explain yourself.
It's actually quite obvious to me that Yuan Ti is scum. You saw it enough to have a vote on him, didn't you? Oh wait, you're scum, too... You were just voting for him to appear like a townie, and now that he's close to being going to be lynched, you are jumping all over the person who is putting your scum buddy at lynch minus one. (read the preceeding sentence with an ounce of sarcasm, but a pound of truth).
If I was really trying to "get in a quick lynch", why would I bother putting down and making it quite explicit that he would be at lynch minus one after my vote??? Even at that, if it is 10 to lynch, then me putting the 8th vote on him is even less of this monumental deal you are making it out to be. But I expect nothing less from Yuan Ti's scumbuddy.
If I really need to do a PBPA on Yuan Ti, then so be it. I can probably do it tomorrow. In the meantime, I'll be expecting more overreactions from you and an OMGUS bandwagon vote from Yuan Ti to further prove what the town already knows...
In case everyone hadn't noticed, I'm putting links to the vote counts in the first post of the thread, for your convenience. If the links don't work, let me know.
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While putting someone at lynch -1 that quickly is generally frowned upon, he did at least announce that he did so no one can "unintentionally" cliff push without facing some serious repercussions, which is the main risk of lynch -1 votes. I'm with FO here. Yuan Ti is pretty blatantly scummy and Zionite seems ridiculously wagonny. I'd be fine with a Yuan lynch today and a serious look at Zionite tomorrow.
I was distracted when first reading the thread by school stuff and missed a lot of what Yuan was doing. He probably deserved a lot of those votes. But the speed of that wagon and Forgotten One's last couple of posts make me happy with my vote.
While putting someone at lynch -1 that quickly is generally frowned upon, he did at least announce that he did so no one can "unintentionally" cliff push without facing some serious repercussions, which is the main risk of lynch -1 votes. I'm with FO here. Yuan Ti is pretty blatantly scummy and Zionite seems ridiculously wagonny. I'd be fine with a Yuan lynch today and a serious look at Zionite tomorrow.
Why is that? I realize he stated a -1 lynch disclaimer, but that doesn't make it any better. Take into account that maybe someone didn't see that post, it was at the same time or something. It was just irresponsible for him to just come out of nowhere. I wanted to make sure everyone had a say instead of "oh screw it let's just lynch him". I don't see how me waiting for input and ultimately prolonging the day comes off as scummy.
Arimenaes, what do you think? You seem to be playing it low-key.
I didn't like the claim. Wouldn't you normally at least say your role-name? It was very half-hearted.
Zionite still looks kind of bad the way he voted and unvoted though.
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Tanarin: what do you think of the wagon on you?
It reeks of opportunistic scum. Look at Zion's vote, for example.
The last sentence is horribly scummy. Zion is encouraging a speedlynch on AH unless he defends himself. Speedlynches are usually bad, btw.
I don't like YT's vote either. The fact that the bandwagoners looks bad makes AH look much better in my opinion.
So keep an eye on them.
But then provide a possible excuse for Abandon Hope's behaviour, because I can't think of one.
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I'm voting one.
I don't need an excuse. I think at least one, possibly two scum are on the wagon. Usually, scum wagons with only four votes don't have that many scum on them (note: usually). That's enough for me to think that the wagon is a bad idea.
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I'm reviewing. @Zas: is there any particular reason you single me out in post #140?
Soooooo... Yuan Ti. You're scum with Zionite, right?
Yuan, that's a very ambiguous meaning, and I would have loved it if Zion had explained that.
Regardless, there is no "bad logic" in what I posted. And yes, I have given a reason for why voting AH is a bad idea. There probably are scums on the wagon. Please read.
That can be read as:
So until you explain yourself or you're endanger of a speedlynch, I will keep my vote on you.
or
So until you explain yourself or you're endanger of a speedlynch. I will keep my vote on you.
I read it the second way.
I'm obviously voting you for different reasons then you suggest here. And if that's the conclusion to your numbers argument, I'm a bit disappointed.
1. I don't think he's scum.
2. I think he has a reason for what he is doing.
3. I think that in general, townies should not fish for information from who they think are town.
Conclusion: therefore, I am not going to ask AH for reasoning as to why he claimed.
Number determine that this idea is unlikely. But we don't need them anyway.
Unvote Vote Yuanti.
And if the town made decisions the way you're suggesting, it would be 19 alive, 6 to lynch.
That was an odd response to a relatively innocent little prod.
I was excited when I saw this:
I see Apocalypse Kid doling out suspicion without commitment in the first post. I see Apocalypse Kid supporting my wagon without actually voting me in the second. I know there are around five people who know I am probably telling the truth. I know they want to be cautious about voting me, because they know how that will end. I have been looking for you Apocalypse Kid. I unvote: ZasZ234, vote: Apocalypse Kid.
Honestly, I can understand looking at some of the other games here why they may be cautious of me. Then again i also think I could also just be a scapegoat for the mafia, who are looking for an easy way out of day 1. I really don't know though.
@YuanTi: Your math is making me suspisious of you. You say there are 5 Mafia, but you aren't taking into account there may be other roles we don't know about like an SK or even a second Mafia group. For all we know this game could end on day one with a Martyr lynch. So while the assumption is valid, we just don't know what other roles were assigned that could lower/raise the mafia count, that is unless you happen to know exactly how many mafia their are because you are mafia yourself.
Unvote; FoS: YuanTi
I just have a feeling you are witholding something we should know.
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Ok here's the thing, I see what AH is doing, and I respect that. I just don't see why he has to be so...unconcerned about it. I know he can't outright say it, but he can at least stop with being cryptic and answer for some of his actions. A couple of other things:
#145 Is where I was horribly misrepresented by LfR. I was not encouraging a speedlynch at all. I was in fact promising an unvote if we were endanger of it. Since you did explain that you made a mistake(an easy one) I'll let it go though. It's fine. Try not to bring unwarranted suspicion on me in the future however if you can help it.
#151 Arimnaes, the reason for a vote on AH is purely for information. I tried to convey that in the post that LfR misinterpreted. If it was going closer to a lynch, I'd unvote until I saw a resonable and solid case in which he'd be scum. Also, what exactly is going on that links me to yuan? You're accusing with no evidence, could you point out a particular post of some sort? I think it's too early to be picking out scum pairs, but if you have some evidence we'll have something.
#152 LfR, to your first statement, I was freaking pissed when I saw that you had completely misrepresented me. I tried to reply ever since then, but I got a white screen, and it wouldn't let me post. You should realize the error with the site and not place the blame solely on me. Also, I agree with your logic, and I do see that my vote is newb now. Unvote. I wasn't convinced until you mentioned that drawing information from a townie was a bad thing, and I completely agree. If AH pops out later on for strange behavior though, I'll be concerned.
#157 Yuan, while your reasoning would be perfect if we were all AI, we're humans with thoughts and mistakes. You completely miss the human factor that some people are better at hiding scumminess than others. And still others stand out as scummy when they're not. It is likely that there are scum on the wagon, because scum are opportunistic and easily join wagons. That has nothing to do with chance, which is the entire basis of your post. Even your comment about "6 people have ask so far...more than mafia" is fundamentally flawed. Some of those people may know what is going on, and creating a purposeful wagon that's easy to join. Others may be making a simple mistake. For that 'X' factor, LfR accounted by saying "One, maybe two" instead of all 5 or whatever.
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A rather ironically self-descriptive statement.
Absolute and total straw man. You give the odds of a 100% mafia attack, which is not the claim LFR made at all, but that there were some mafia on the wagon.
The subsequent math is reasonable up until...
Where does the vote on Arimnaes come from?! The whole post is addressed towards a point made by LFR and then he votes arim who's only recent post is:
As far as I can tell, this whole post is a weak attack at one person followed by an OMGUS at another.
UnvoteVote Yuan Ti
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I don't really sense a sarcastic in the original post, and it seems weird to intentionally use bad logic to argue a point you agree with and not even note that you're doing it in the original post. This seems like a backpedal to me.
3CB and 4CB5CB!#165 You dodged the question you quoted, IMO. Obviously he can't answer your question, as he doesn't know the information you're withholding, the definition of withheld information. It's his feeling about you, meaning you're being uninformative in your posts in general. Could you attempt to bring more information forward?
#166 Wait...you're purposefully bringing forth false information then? Why would you try to confuse the town? If you were in some strange, twisted way trying to help the town by posting an example of bad logic, you could've posted a disclaimer, but even then you're lurking without lurking by posting something devoid of usable content. AND, if you were joking, then you were also joking about a Vote and two FoSes? As well as a Scum TRIO accusation? I don't see how this in any way helps the town if you're joking around, and if you were serious, your logic is horribly flawed.
*doesn't buy*
He's referring to the scum in the game. Though I don't know how he specifically "knows" how many scum there are, because it could be more than 5, less than 5, anything. If he has information like that, he might want to share.
The basis was simply the fact that you two seemed to be sticking together. You agreed with each other about AH and he fielded questions from LfR for you. It's not usual - or good - practice for a townie to go out on a limb for another player when they have no information about that player's alignment. Which looks worse specifically for YuanTi than it does for you.
There's one fairly reliable way to know how many scum there are. If you get my drift.
Yeah, you could explain why you're backpedaling before I go to work. I don't buy that you weren't being serious, there are no sarcastic tells or anything, not even a smiley. And even if you weren't serious, why would you post false information to confuse the town? You're only causing trouble for us by purposefully posting a long joke.
Fine. You have nothing to reveal to the town. That wasn't the concern. The concern was that you're not being informative. Thats where his feeling that you're hiding something came from, not anything specific but just in general. I request that you at least try to explain yourself more in the future.
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Making excuses for your bad play? I'm not going to be the townie you saved to make yourself look better. You can try your charade somewhere else.
Vote Yuan
I'm done with your song and dance. You're defending what you admit as a contentless post and defending yourself weakly as well. Your vote on arimeneas is unwarranted and unexplained. You're being scummy as hell, and I don't like it. If anyone wants to see a case against him, you can read the last 40 posts or so and get an idea why I feel a vote is necessary.
See you tonight guys. I'm off.
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What, specifically, would you like me to explain?
AH's actions could have several townie motives.
1. Vanilla is a claim unlikely to be believed when made under pressure. Claiming now increases the chances that he's taken seriously.
2. Discussion is hard to come by on day 1, and this is a great place to start. The wagon on him, his claim itself, and everyone else's reactions are much more than most people get this early in the game.
The cost of this is that he comes across as crazy and the pool of potential power roles for the mafia to target goes down. But deciding the benefits are worth the costs is reasonable.
I'll catch up on the thread later.
That looked like a vanilla claim on his part.
Yuan Ti is scum. Ziontie and Apokalypse Kid are right behind him. Ged wouldn't surprise me one bit if he is scum as well.
Unvote, Vote: Yuan Ti
That's lynch -1 folks.
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Jesus christ man, what are you doing? We're trying to wait and hold off before we do this, day one hasn't gone on nearly long enough. It's 10 to lynch. Not 9. He's at -3 I think, unless LfR was voting for him and you're count is accurate, which I doubt. So he's safe for now.
I don't appreciate you trying to get a quick lynch in before you night kill someone. That's incredibly scummy, along with you presenting no evidence on how any of the accused are scum, and no reason whatsoever to place a vote on Yuan. Even if you did have reasons, we need everyone's input on this! Vote Forgotten One. Explain yourself.
close to beinggoing to be lynched, you are jumping all over the person who is putting your scum buddy at lynch minus one. (read the preceeding sentence with an ounce of sarcasm, but a pound of truth).If I was really trying to "get in a quick lynch", why would I bother putting down and making it quite explicit that he would be at lynch minus one after my vote??? Even at that, if it is 10 to lynch, then me putting the 8th vote on him is even less of this monumental deal you are making it out to be. But I expect nothing less from Yuan Ti's scumbuddy.
If I really need to do a PBPA on Yuan Ti, then so be it. I can probably do it tomorrow. In the meantime, I'll be expecting more overreactions from you and an OMGUS bandwagon vote from Yuan Ti to further prove what the town already knows...
Jalira, Master Polymorphist | Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder | Bosh, Iron Golem | Ezuri, Renegade Leader
Brago, King Eternal | Oona, Queen of the Fae | Wort, Boggart Auntie | Wort, the Raidmother
Captain Sisay | Rhys, the Redeemed | Trostani, Selesnya's Voice | Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight | Obzedat, Ghost Council | Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind | Vorel of the Hull Clade
Uril, the Miststalker | Prossh, Skyraider of Kher | Nicol Bolas | Progenitus
Ghave, Guru of Spores | Zedruu the Greathearted | Damia, Sage of Stone | Riku of Two Reflections
Vote Forgotten One.
Abandon Hope 2 (Bateleur, Zas)
Arimnaes 3 (Faerie Lord, tanarin, YuanTi)
YuanTi 5 (MMOD, Arim, Chimp, Faeran, FO)
Tanarin 2 (Apok Kid, Ged)
ApokKid 1 (AH)
FO 2 (LFR, Zionite)
Not Voting: Axelrod, LJustus, MJM, Puzzle
Still 19 alive, 10 to lynch
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3CB and 4CB5CB!vote: YuanTi
I was distracted when first reading the thread by school stuff and missed a lot of what Yuan was doing. He probably deserved a lot of those votes. But the speed of that wagon and Forgotten One's last couple of posts make me happy with my vote.
You mean, the part where I said
I'm sure you are quite happy with your vote.
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Brago, King Eternal | Oona, Queen of the Fae | Wort, Boggart Auntie | Wort, the Raidmother
Captain Sisay | Rhys, the Redeemed | Trostani, Selesnya's Voice | Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight | Obzedat, Ghost Council | Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind | Vorel of the Hull Clade
Uril, the Miststalker | Prossh, Skyraider of Kher | Nicol Bolas | Progenitus
Ghave, Guru of Spores | Zedruu the Greathearted | Damia, Sage of Stone | Riku of Two Reflections
Why is that? I realize he stated a -1 lynch disclaimer, but that doesn't make it any better. Take into account that maybe someone didn't see that post, it was at the same time or something. It was just irresponsible for him to just come out of nowhere. I wanted to make sure everyone had a say instead of "oh screw it let's just lynch him". I don't see how me waiting for input and ultimately prolonging the day comes off as scummy.
Arimenaes, what do you think? You seem to be playing it low-key.
Zionite still looks kind of bad the way he voted and unvoted though.
More thoroughness to come later.
I no longer wish Abandon Hope to reveal info, he was probably running one of those D1 conversation starter gambit things. So whatever.
Yuan-Ti did do some pretty scummy stuff, but we shouldn't lynch him just yet. He should probably name claim though.
Yeah Vote Forgotten One
More thoughts when I have more time, for now I have homework.
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