The difference is that some of us, such as RafK and myself, realize where our errors were and, as you have noticed, have made no effort to minimize our culpability. Wanting to justify your mistakes and lessen them is not acceptable; it just means that you will make them again later.
Hey, I have taken full responsibility for my mistakes, of which there were several. And yes, of course, I contributed to the town lose. I would not, however, consider trying to avoid the mislynch of a townie among my mistakes.
You could have easily used your ability with timing that would let someone think they were lynched, and then waited to see what would happen. No one lies about their alignment once they think they're lynched. It's just pointless and stupid.
And... umm... were you playing the same game as me? Because that is exactly what I did. I pretended I had info on HE7 to force the lynch through and then pardoned him to see his reaction. He was certain he was going to be lynched and responded in a completely town way. I got enough of a reaction from HE that I realized he was really town, and decided to back off and attempt to avoid his lynch, so that I could use my ability by surprise on another day. But then the pardon scene happened, and.. that plan went out the window. I was going to claim the pardon then, but I figured that would make it obvious who I was, and I was a bit concerned about being someone's target (I've seen some of the show). If I had known the scene would come up even if a lynch wasn't reached, I would have let it keep rolling forward to a lynch (which, you say, would have cleared him in your eyes? Because I'm guessing you would have actually said that any such argument was just "WIFOM" and kept screaming he was scum, like you did with me claiming town to the "daykill," but anyway...). I guess that's kinda my fault for not getting it clarified, but I just didn't think of it. Anyway, the point is, I used my ability exactly as you said would be the ideal way of using it (and you would be right here, it was the ideal way). This would have been more obvious if I was more aware of how the relevant scenes would happen, or if the town as a whole was more attentive to HE's responses (of course, the town thought it was a scum pardon at the time, which is my fault for not claiming it, but again, I had my reasons).
Also, I wouldn't be talking about misuse of abilities, Mr. ConspiritorClearer. The fact that my ability didn't do what I thought it did, doesn't mean I didn't use it correctly.
Personally, I got all giddy inside when TFF said that he had a very town read on me there at the end.
For the record, while I did misread you, and wouldn't have voted you, I also would not have pardoned you. I wasn't that certain. Though, you did fool me the best out of the scum (except, I guess, for CP, who I thought was Jack Bauer for half the game, but that had more to do with Cyan than anything CP did).
I think those of us with a lot of experience with HE7 but who weren't in 1001 Nights also got skewered to some extent by pre-existing conceptions. Hawkeye as scum always lurks outrageously and when called upon to claim can share my disease of overdoing it and not really thinking through the consequences (our claims in Kung Fu Mafia worked well mostly because we could tell each other that each other's claim ideas were bad)... which is what he seemed to be doing here. Hawkeye as town in the past tends to be eloquent and obtuse.
BTW: TFF, it was already pretty obvious the pardon was you. The only other possibility was Axelrod, but I figured it was you as soon as it dawned on me what character would be unlynchable.
BTW: TFF, it was already pretty obvious the pardon was you. The only other possibility was Axelrod, but I figured it was you as soon as it dawned on me what character would be unlynchable.
Well, nice reasoning on your part. I wouldn't call it "obvious" though, since I don't think anyone else realized that.
I didn't really misuse my ability, because it was absolutely useless anyway.
I was mostly just running off at the mouth/being flippant when I said that CP couldn't be scum because of his picture. I already admitted this. And it was me that realized that he was actually scum, and did my best to bring major attention to him. Not that this..actually accomplished anything. But had Zchnique actually been around, we might have lynched CP at that point, which would have made a huge difference. Too bad he just got modkilled(imagine if he'd been replaced, he would have no relationship with the new mason, which would have worked out alot differently), which largely figured in our losing. Oh well, we deserved to lose anyway.
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Hey, I have taken full responsibility for my mistakes, of which there were several. And yes, of course, I contributed to the town lose. I would not, however, consider trying to avoid the mislynch of a townie among my mistakes.
And... umm... were you playing the same game as me? Because that is exactly what I did. I pretended I had info on HE7 to force the lynch through and then pardoned him to see his reaction. He was certain he was going to be lynched and responded in a completely town way. I got enough of a reaction from HE that I realized he was really town, and decided to back off and attempt to avoid his lynch, so that I could use my ability by surprise on another day. But then the pardon scene happened, and.. that plan went out the window. I was going to claim the pardon then, but I figured that would make it obvious who I was, and I was a bit concerned about being someone's target (I've seen some of the show). If I had known the scene would come up even if a lynch wasn't reached, I would have let it keep rolling forward to a lynch (which, you say, would have cleared him in your eyes? Because I'm guessing you would have actually said that any such argument was just "WIFOM" and kept screaming he was scum, like you did with me claiming town to the "daykill," but anyway...). I guess that's kinda my fault for not getting it clarified, but I just didn't think of it. Anyway, the point is, I used my ability exactly as you said would be the ideal way of using it (and you would be right here, it was the ideal way). This would have been more obvious if I was more aware of how the relevant scenes would happen, or if the town as a whole was more attentive to HE's responses (of course, the town thought it was a scum pardon at the time, which is my fault for not claiming it, but again, I had my reasons).
Also, I wouldn't be talking about misuse of abilities, Mr. ConspiritorClearer. The fact that my ability didn't do what I thought it did, doesn't mean I didn't use it correctly.
For the record, while I did misread you, and wouldn't have voted you, I also would not have pardoned you. I wasn't that certain. Though, you did fool me the best out of the scum (except, I guess, for CP, who I thought was Jack Bauer for half the game, but that had more to do with Cyan than anything CP did).
I think those of us with a lot of experience with HE7 but who weren't in 1001 Nights also got skewered to some extent by pre-existing conceptions. Hawkeye as scum always lurks outrageously and when called upon to claim can share my disease of overdoing it and not really thinking through the consequences (our claims in Kung Fu Mafia worked well mostly because we could tell each other that each other's claim ideas were bad)... which is what he seemed to be doing here. Hawkeye as town in the past tends to be eloquent and obtuse.
BTW: TFF, it was already pretty obvious the pardon was you. The only other possibility was Axelrod, but I figured it was you as soon as it dawned on me what character would be unlynchable.
Well, nice reasoning on your part. I wouldn't call it "obvious" though, since I don't think anyone else realized that.
I was mostly just running off at the mouth/being flippant when I said that CP couldn't be scum because of his picture. I already admitted this. And it was me that realized that he was actually scum, and did my best to bring major attention to him. Not that this..actually accomplished anything. But had Zchnique actually been around, we might have lynched CP at that point, which would have made a huge difference. Too bad he just got modkilled(imagine if he'd been replaced, he would have no relationship with the new mason, which would have worked out alot differently), which largely figured in our losing. Oh well, we deserved to lose anyway.