Just because Cat wanted a bandwagon doesn't make her scum as BT and AK has kindly acknowledged in the recent posts. She was probably just fishing for some scummy response and AK gave it to her. Anyways, BT's responses to Catalina seemed very manipulative. First you had a seemingly friendly discussion which turned into an all-out attack on her. And then you suddenly changed to attacking AK, who is not in a good position. Going for a kill, BT? FOS: BT
Here's the difference between Cat and AKid. When I jumped off of Cat, it was because I haden't been looking at the whole picture, who Cat was portraying herself on a whole. Once I looked at the big picture, it was clear that Cat was townie minded. In the same mindset of looking the big picture, there was still something wrong with AKid.
He seemed overly sure of Cat's scumminess in the beginning, and then suddenly fell off for a while, becoming very silent while still keeping his vote on her. Then, when questioned about it, he gave excuses for everything, saying he was just too caught up in the Cat case to figure anything out. How could he be though? He was barely there, and has told us repeatedly that he was off doing other things in that timeframe. His excuse just doens't fly. He has tried deflecting to WBY, he's made more excuses, and now he tries to pass off a name claim as a claim that will suffice.
Consider this my intent to vote, once I see the full claim that is.
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Because, and this is the same reason I resisted claiming earlier, I'm the cop, and I thought that I should try to defend myself rather than just being outed.
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
The Pope? Can someone who is familar with the series or the Manga explain? I checked the Wiki characters page for the pope, or someone similar, and there is none, not even in the small and/or obscure characters section. I don't feel great about lynching an uncounterclaimed cop obv, but I'm still confused by the claim. Does the Pope have a real name other than Pope?
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This is going to take a while, and is going to be a bit stream of consciousness. Links provided to more interesting (IMO) posts. Also for the most part will be skipping the entire pointless OMGUS argument. But first things first... Unvote andelijah
#1-47: god_child and Minineko yelling at each other. No real tells. #38 may have been serious, but may not have been.
#48: BigTime begins weird speech patterns. Liable to get a lawsuit from several underaged individuals soon.
#50: BigTime shows he relies a lot on meta.
#52-55: AKid jumps on Catalina for 'bandwagoning' -- adding vote no. 3 in a 23 player game. Riiiight. Interestingly, god_child chides her for the same thing, just without a vote.
#56: AKid calling Catalina 'Mr. Scum'. Strong language. Not quite suspiciously so yet.
#58: Fairly good reasoning when asked. But 'random voting' is not necessarily a bad thing for town. Rushing out of it, in fact, is more than a bit suspicious.
#62: Zas states that OMGUS is always bad.
#70: Disagree with scum not being able to give themselves away during random voting. Also pushing for a vote?
#75: andelijah pushing minor issues against Catalina, esp. the gender overreaction thing. The supposed contradiction in her reasoning is also faulty -- looks more like a misrepresentation than anything.
#77: Agree on 4, but 2 is unsubstantiated and doesn't look like the case to me. Minor point against BigTime.
#80: Is bad reasoning. Point against AKid.
#87: When did Catalina admit to setting a trap, Zas?
#88: ...is Catalina going along with that?
#89: ...and BigTime?
#90: The minor points above seem to have been due to personal annoyance on andelijah's part. Null tell.
#102: She's talking about you, y'know, AKid. Why the non-personal phrasing? Not personally aggrieved?
#109: Kami of Lunacy saying absolutely nothing.
#112: See above. Again.
#113: I don't actually find DD's point that strong. The 'overcautious much' didn't sound terribly serious to me.
#114: Kami of Lunacy still saying nothing.
#115: BigTime finally finding why his argument against Catalina is fundamentally flawed. Credit to him. Could be a tell either way, though.
#116: Two people is a 'wide blanket of players', Kami of Lunacy? Still, the post was suspicious, even if the reasoning is bad. Questions are meant to be asked in Mafia.
#124: kman saying nothing.
#118-128: People jumping on wagon following DD's point. Booter reads insincere with his x&p reasoning/vote. Byplay between Booter and kman.
#129: albi epitomizing cautious fence-straddling. Semi-defends Catalina in accordance to the failing wagon. FOSes AKid while saying 'he wants to hear what he has to say first' and warning of possibly too many votes. FOSes Kami of Lunacy with no real rebuttal, merely assertion.
#130: god_child also cautions based on the votecount. His reasoning seems sound, but is also a bit too detailed. From a plausible possible reason, down to 'what he needs to explain next'. Sounds like coaching.
#131: goatrevolt points out the possible coaching. Good catch.
#137: creampuffeater finally shows up, and doesn't say much.
#145: kman calling out Cyan using words like 'pounce'. Hmmm.
#147: kman issuing a retraction while being horribly noncommittal.
#149: Now this is interesting. Swallows god_child's explanation basically wholesale, implying that his initial prod on Absolutionis was actually serious. The way I'm reading it, it was a random early comment; I would actually had believed him if he'd said that it wasn't meant as a real prod and that he hadn't thought much about it. Also backtracks on Catalina, calling her town. Hm.
#150: I believe wo bu Yao on this. I also think he's being alarmist, but not purposely so. He's not the first person to call attention to the votecount, after all.
#151: ...but what the heck do you mean by 'voting won't matter much right now', wbY?
#156: Now 'grilling' AKid. But on Abso?
#165: This is actually believable. But coming after the previous posts, it reads 'excuse', as Alx2 points out next post.
#167: ...what? albi FOSes Abso for calling him out on joining the AKid wagon with a provisionary FOS. Not only vaguely OMGUSy, but amazingly contentless.
#168: kman, anyone wouldn't like that excuse. Especially after Alx2 has already exposed it.
#175: Does that fence hurt sometimes? 'Not too suspicious' of Booter, but thinks we should 'keep an eye' on him. Is 'willing to bet he's a townie' but 'FOSes [him] for good measure'. What?
#178: In all honesty, the thing against Abso was more convincing than the thing against Catalina. Both were bad, though.
#185: andelijah defending AKid, and pointing suspicion at wbY? Hmmm.
#186: AKid following andelijah's lead, pointing at wbY. More scummy than pond residue.
#188: god_child answering andelijah's query about wbY. Why?
#192: Reasonably good defence from AKid, actually. I don't like the 'I'm not as good as you think I am' defence, though.
#201: kman semi-defending AKid, and hardly saying a thing of consequence otherwise.
#214: ...Ximbad, that's such a pointless thing to pick at. And you haven't exactly been Mr. Content so far this game, for that matter.
#222: Gilzord also finally shows up, and also FOSes Kami of Lunacy. I find KoL scummy too, but one must begin to question -- target of opportunity?
#233: AKid claiming Pope/cop. This is not as secure a claim as it seems in a 23 person game.
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Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...' Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
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For those not inclined to read that mess above, this is the gist:
V. Scummy:
ApokalypseKid -- backtracking, inconsistencies, deflection, swallowing arguments wholesale from others (andelijah and god_child), stalling. On the plus side, some reasonable defences, and as yet uncounterclaimed cop claim.
kman kman1474 -- fence-sitter extraordinaire, with little real content and several attempts at defending AKid and pushing suspicion at others. Horribly inconsistent.
Scummy:
albi_the_dragon -- fence-sitting, OMGUS, no real content. god_child -- vague dissembling, very possibly coaching post. Also has been very cautious about going after AKid, although that might be healthy town caution. Booter -- no content, jumping on bandwagon in direct copy of TFF (and for what I felt to be a weak point, too), weird byplay with kman.
Neutral:
Everyone else. Alx2, goatrevolt, and Cyan leaning town, andelijah and Ximbad slightly scum.
Given AKid's cop claim, I'll for the moment Vote kman1474.
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Esper Simperer; Even the court homonculi need someone to look down on.
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...' Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
Esper Simperer; Even the court homonculi need someone to look down on.
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...' Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
AKid doesn't even have a name! He's just the Pope. I'm a little more inclined to believe Cyan, as I have a name too, and I can only imagine that several other people have names.
Oh, and don't worry my children. I shall watch over all who are pure of heart tonight. You can rest easy on my watch.
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We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
The Pope? Can someone who is familar with the series or the Manga explain? I checked the Wiki characters page for the pope, or someone similar, and there is none, not even in the small and/or obscure characters section. I don't feel great about lynching an uncounterclaimed cop obv, but I'm still confused by the claim. Does the Pope have a real name other than Pope?
I was having concerns as well.
I concede ignorance to the manga, but seeing as how my character also appears on the Wiki list, I am feeling even more doubt towards Apokalypse Kid's claim.
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
I am Rakshas, and I use my Kushan magic to determine a person's alignment(which includes neutral, incidentially).
Give it up already.
Yeah, I read the first link that Abso posted, and I didn't really get that Rakshas was skilled in magic. More like Martial arts, but I need to do more research.
Just out of curiosity, what's your WC?
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We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
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Ah! Is this the sentence which launched a thousand ships?
10+ pages of arguments is really tiring.
Unvote.
Just because Cat wanted a bandwagon doesn't make her scum as BT and AK has kindly acknowledged in the recent posts. She was probably just fishing for some scummy response and AK gave it to her. Anyways, BT's responses to Catalina seemed very manipulative. First you had a seemingly friendly discussion which turned into an all-out attack on her. And then you suddenly changed to attacking AK, who is not in a good position. Going for a kill, BT? FOS: BT
And Kami of Lunacy's reasoning for who's townie smells suspicious. FOS: Kami of Lunacy.
i honestly don't like how bigtime jumped from attacking cat a lot to attacking akid, but if akid is scum then i will be pretty sure bigtime isn't.
If someone else familiar with the source could say what sort of role the pope had that would be great, as the internet doesn't seem to know anything.
OMG THE INTERNET DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING!!!
i would like to hear more from booter, minieko, catalina and krowzy during day 2. i feel like they have only made a very small number of post and i don't like that.
someone pointed out about me fence sitting. i have not been fence sitting. just because i didn't vote for akid like everyone else doesn't mean i have been fence sitting. i have been playing more then a lot of people and have posted my thoughts about how i don't like some of bigtimes arguments about cat and akid. i think the people that should be accused of fence sitting is booter, minieko, and krowzy.
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Oh yeah, I forgot, I finally made it through day one without being bandwagoned to pieces! YAY!
As for my transition onto to AKid, I had been watching him all the while the Catalina thing was happening. I felt like AKid instigated it and just went on for the ride. I thought that was scummy, and I mentioned that I was interesting in hearing more from his case. Well, a few pages later and a case hadn't really been made, just loose arguments, and AKid was throwing around excuses that didn't make any sense to me. So, I made a case myself, detailing what I had come to find scummy about AKid.
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"The Pope was a simple Pope. We only remember him because of the fact that he declared the White Hawk to the world. His life had been unassuming, just another person who took the mantle. Little is known about his deeds beforehand, most likely because none were worth mentioning."
"Though he did declare the Hawk, his past lack of action led many to believe that his declaration of the Hawk, was just a farce, something to mark himself into the history books. Well, that it did. Believing him corrupt, the citizens and the Band of the Hawk rose up against him and burned him at the stake, the first Pope ever to die that way.
"Years later, after his life was much more studied, and his writings discovered, people discovered that his life as the Pope was nothing more then circumstancial. He was nothing more than a simple man with a large title. The citizens wept at their mistake, but this was just a small event compared to the days to come..."
Apokalypse Kid - The Pope - Town Naive Cop - Lynched Day 1
It is now night 1. Please submit your choices. I will pick a deadline soon (end of term coming up, so I gotta finish all my assignments before tuesday).
"The Kushans had a few main generals and containers. This is the story of one. He was a powerful spellcast, and the leader of the Kushan Pishacha division. His power was great, though he was still mortal. They say that an assassin killed him, but who knows? All that's recorded is that he was found one day, all flesh removed from his bones.
andelijah - Daiba - Kushan Summoner - Nightkilled Night 1
"This era was the era of witch hunting. Thousands died at the stakes - children, mothers, sisters, aunts, what have you. These were dark times. Many of these were not even witches. Funny thing is, there were only a few witches that died during this time, and none of them were at the stake. The most important witch figure of this time, a companion of the Struggler, was murdered. They say that the attacker was swift and silent, and that it had happened only a shout away from her companions, but who knows. History has a funny way of telling the truth.
Alx2 - Schierke - Mafia Caster - Nightkilled Night 1
Day 2 now starts. With 21 alive, it's 12 to lynch. Also, if anyone who used their abilities did NOT receive a confirmation PM, PM me immediately.
Also, ZasZ will be out of town from Friday to around Tuesday.
Well, now everyone knows why naive cops shouldn't happen, unless they have strong indication that they are naive.
I targeted kman last night, he is town.
Last night I was also targeted, with some ability that made me permanently Vanilla.
...interestingly convenient. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Re-reading Alx2's posts, though, I'll vote DragonDart. You did a heck of a lot of background pushing on AKid's mislynch, especially with that bogus contradiction.
I'll also FOS Zas. What was up with that fishing in twilight? And reading back, you were doing a lot of subtle fishing throughout the last few pages as well.
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I am so blurred out right now. Zas wasn't doing the subtle fishing; it was DD. My bad. Zas was only doing highly unsubtle fishing during twilight.
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Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
Well, now everyone knows why naive cops shouldn't happen, unless they have strong indication that they are naive.
I targeted kman last night, he is town.
Last night I was also targeted, with some ability that made me permanently Vanilla.
lol, why does this happen to me every game? i guess i am always some what suspicious and the cops always check me out. even if you were lying though i think it would be kind of obvious that im town because i didn't hop on the akid bandwagon.
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Need to get alcohol out of system. DD pushed AK to full claim, but apparently others agreed. Meh. Still have issues with the way you pushed AK's lynch from behind, though, and your interaction with scum-Alx2.
Might have been right the first time, though. Zas, why did you push for flavour from both claimed cops?
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Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...' Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
even if you were lying though i think it would be kind of obvious that im town because i didn't hop on the akid bandwagon.
This scenario is very, pardon the acronym, WIFOM.
You could have very well been mafia simply trying to get townie points by not jumping on the wagon knowing full well that Apokalypse Kid is not part of the mafia.
Additionally, it seems that there are three factions at work here. Town, Mafia, and "Kushan" at blue, red, and green respectively. Perhaps "Kushan" could be synonymous with neutral but flavor seems to indicate otherwise.
That could very well account for the two kills at night.
I concede that I am very unfamiliar with the roles of "caster" and "summoner". I would assume they are flavor based more than anything, but Apokalypse Kid's familiar role of "naive cop" would indicate otherwise.
Additionally, it seems that there are three factions at work here. Town, Mafia, and "Kushan" at blue, red, and green respectively. Perhaps "Kushan" could be synonymous with neutral but flavor seems to indicate otherwise.
That could very well account for the two kills at night.
I concede that I am very unfamiliar with the roles of "caster" and "summoner". I would assume they are flavor based more than anything, but Apokalypse Kid's familiar role of "naive cop" would indicate otherwise.
It might be worth noting here that, before my real role was erased and I was made Vanilla, I had an additional win requirement, which was that Griffith(the leader of the Band of the Hawk apparently) can't survive. Revealing this info. doesn't really mean anything, as obv. he would be Town anyway, but maybe all of the Kushan have the same requirement?
I dunno, I'm clueless about the flavor of this game, and since my role was erased I no longer have that additional win condition.
Very good call DD. Seems like someone got caught contradicting themselves. Vote: AKid
Vote: Booter -I didn't like the copy-paste yesterday. And now that I know you were jumping on a townie in response to a scum's call, you really need to start explaining.
So, you think he's dumb enough to follow a scumbuddies coaching, but clever enough to barn someone else in the process? Aren't you also essentially assigning the same guilt to anyone that A)voted after Alx and B)voted before I 'counterclaimed' AK?
I think you're reaching on that one, honestly.
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Here's the difference between Cat and AKid. When I jumped off of Cat, it was because I haden't been looking at the whole picture, who Cat was portraying herself on a whole. Once I looked at the big picture, it was clear that Cat was townie minded. In the same mindset of looking the big picture, there was still something wrong with AKid.
He seemed overly sure of Cat's scumminess in the beginning, and then suddenly fell off for a while, becoming very silent while still keeping his vote on her. Then, when questioned about it, he gave excuses for everything, saying he was just too caught up in the Cat case to figure anything out. How could he be though? He was barely there, and has told us repeatedly that he was off doing other things in that timeframe. His excuse just doens't fly. He has tried deflecting to WBY, he's made more excuses, and now he tries to pass off a name claim as a claim that will suffice.
Consider this my intent to vote, once I see the full claim that is.
Agreed.
Are you just claiming to be the Pope and then leaving it at that until you can think of a suitable false claim?
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#1-47: god_child and Minineko yelling at each other. No real tells. #38 may have been serious, but may not have been.
#48: BigTime begins weird speech patterns. Liable to get a lawsuit from several underaged individuals soon.
#50: BigTime shows he relies a lot on meta.
#52-55: AKid jumps on Catalina for 'bandwagoning' -- adding vote no. 3 in a 23 player game. Riiiight. Interestingly, god_child chides her for the same thing, just without a vote.
#56: AKid calling Catalina 'Mr. Scum'. Strong language. Not quite suspiciously so yet.
#58: Fairly good reasoning when asked. But 'random voting' is not necessarily a bad thing for town. Rushing out of it, in fact, is more than a bit suspicious.
#62: Zas states that OMGUS is always bad.
#70: Disagree with scum not being able to give themselves away during random voting. Also pushing for a vote?
#75: andelijah pushing minor issues against Catalina, esp. the gender overreaction thing. The supposed contradiction in her reasoning is also faulty -- looks more like a misrepresentation than anything.
#77: Agree on 4, but 2 is unsubstantiated and doesn't look like the case to me. Minor point against BigTime.
#80: Is bad reasoning. Point against AKid.
#87: When did Catalina admit to setting a trap, Zas?
#88: ...is Catalina going along with that?
#89: ...and BigTime?
#90: The minor points above seem to have been due to personal annoyance on andelijah's part. Null tell.
#102: She's talking about you, y'know, AKid. Why the non-personal phrasing? Not personally aggrieved?
#109: Kami of Lunacy saying absolutely nothing.
#112: See above. Again.
#113: I don't actually find DD's point that strong. The 'overcautious much' didn't sound terribly serious to me.
#114: Kami of Lunacy still saying nothing.
#115: BigTime finally finding why his argument against Catalina is fundamentally flawed. Credit to him. Could be a tell either way, though.
#116: Two people is a 'wide blanket of players', Kami of Lunacy? Still, the post was suspicious, even if the reasoning is bad. Questions are meant to be asked in Mafia.
#124: kman saying nothing.
#118-128: People jumping on wagon following DD's point. Booter reads insincere with his x&p reasoning/vote. Byplay between Booter and kman.
#129: albi epitomizing cautious fence-straddling. Semi-defends Catalina in accordance to the failing wagon. FOSes AKid while saying 'he wants to hear what he has to say first' and warning of possibly too many votes. FOSes Kami of Lunacy with no real rebuttal, merely assertion.
#130: god_child also cautions based on the votecount. His reasoning seems sound, but is also a bit too detailed. From a plausible possible reason, down to 'what he needs to explain next'. Sounds like coaching.
#131: goatrevolt points out the possible coaching. Good catch.
#137: creampuffeater finally shows up, and doesn't say much.
#145: kman calling out Cyan using words like 'pounce'. Hmmm.
#147: kman issuing a retraction while being horribly noncommittal.
#149: Now this is interesting. Swallows god_child's explanation basically wholesale, implying that his initial prod on Absolutionis was actually serious. The way I'm reading it, it was a random early comment; I would actually had believed him if he'd said that it wasn't meant as a real prod and that he hadn't thought much about it. Also backtracks on Catalina, calling her town. Hm.
#150: I believe wo bu Yao on this. I also think he's being alarmist, but not purposely so. He's not the first person to call attention to the votecount, after all.
#151: ...but what the heck do you mean by 'voting won't matter much right now', wbY?
#156: Now 'grilling' AKid. But on Abso?
#165: This is actually believable. But coming after the previous posts, it reads 'excuse', as Alx2 points out next post.
#167: ...what? albi FOSes Abso for calling him out on joining the AKid wagon with a provisionary FOS. Not only vaguely OMGUSy, but amazingly contentless.
#168: kman, anyone wouldn't like that excuse. Especially after Alx2 has already exposed it.
#175: Does that fence hurt sometimes? 'Not too suspicious' of Booter, but thinks we should 'keep an eye' on him. Is 'willing to bet he's a townie' but 'FOSes [him] for good measure'. What?
#178: In all honesty, the thing against Abso was more convincing than the thing against Catalina. Both were bad, though.
#185: andelijah defending AKid, and pointing suspicion at wbY? Hmmm.
#186: AKid following andelijah's lead, pointing at wbY. More scummy than pond residue.
#188: god_child answering andelijah's query about wbY. Why?
#192: Reasonably good defence from AKid, actually. I don't like the 'I'm not as good as you think I am' defence, though.
#201: kman semi-defending AKid, and hardly saying a thing of consequence otherwise.
#214: ...Ximbad, that's such a pointless thing to pick at. And you haven't exactly been Mr. Content so far this game, for that matter.
#222: Gilzord also finally shows up, and also FOSes Kami of Lunacy. I find KoL scummy too, but one must begin to question -- target of opportunity?
#233: AKid claiming Pope/cop. This is not as secure a claim as it seems in a 23 person game.
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Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
V. Scummy:
ApokalypseKid -- backtracking, inconsistencies, deflection, swallowing arguments wholesale from others (andelijah and god_child), stalling. On the plus side, some reasonable defences, and as yet uncounterclaimed cop claim.
kman
kman1474 -- fence-sitter extraordinaire, with little real content and several attempts at defending AKid and pushing suspicion at others. Horribly inconsistent.
Scummy:
albi_the_dragon -- fence-sitting, OMGUS, no real content.
god_child -- vague dissembling, very possibly coaching post. Also has been very cautious about going after AKid, although that might be healthy town caution.
Booter -- no content, jumping on bandwagon in direct copy of TFF (and for what I felt to be a weak point, too), weird byplay with kman.
Neutral:
Everyone else. Alx2, goatrevolt, and Cyan leaning town, andelijah and Ximbad slightly scum.
Given AKid's cop claim, I'll for the moment Vote kman1474.
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
[1/13] CPE - Minineko
[1/13] desCoures - andelijah
[2/13] bigtime - kman1474, Ximbad
[1/13] Stormblind - Stormblind
[1/13] andelijah - Kami of Lunacy
[1/13] Catalina - Apokalypse Kid
[10/13] Apokalypse Kid - Catalina, Alx2, Cyan, DragonDart, TheFooFish, Booter, Krowzy, ZasZ234, goatrevolt, CPE
[1/13] kman1474 - desCoures
Feel free to correct me.
You are not the Cop. I am.
Die Scum.
Vote: Apokalypse Kid
It doesn't get more solid than that...
(I'm not voting catalina)
vote Cyan
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Unvote kman1474, Vote ApokalypseKid
Recommend looking at kman and godchild tomorrow.
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Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
I am Rakshas, and I use my Kushan magic to determine a person's alignment(which includes neutral, incidentially).
Give it up already.
Oh, and don't worry my children. I shall watch over all who are pure of heart tonight. You can rest easy on my watch.
good night. Hope you lynch Cyscum tomorrow.
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I was having concerns as well.
I concede ignorance to the manga, but seeing as how my character also appears on the Wiki list, I am feeling even more doubt towards Apokalypse Kid's claim.
Even this site that seems exceptionally comprehensive does not have the word "Pope" under any of the characters:
http://www.berserkchronicles.com/englishpage.php?link=characters_en.htm
Nevertheless, "Pope" appears as a passing mention if you Google it:
http://darknives.blogsome.com/category/manga/berserk/
Cyan's counterclaim would have been too ballsy for scum to pull off.
Vote: Apokalypse Kid
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Yeah, I've wanted a shower all morning, but this game had my attention almost the entire time...
And beings such as me have no need for showers. Unless I want a shower...
ACK! Waiting! Death! Upon me!
Eh. do what you need to. I've got all the time in the world. I should know. I created it.
Yeah, I read the first link that Abso posted, and I didn't really get that Rakshas was skilled in magic. More like Martial arts, but I need to do more research.
Just out of curiosity, what's your WC?
Unvote, Vote MMoD LAL!
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This makes me feel a little better about Cyan being cop. The part about Rakshas being able to determine that the king was not human.
Extra notes:
The town and mafia win conditions are all worded differently, and using your win condition in game is strictly forbidden as written above.
The line is thin. Be careful.
i honestly don't like how bigtime jumped from attacking cat a lot to attacking akid, but if akid is scum then i will be pretty sure bigtime isn't.
OMG THE INTERNET DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING!!!
i would like to hear more from booter, minieko, catalina and krowzy during day 2. i feel like they have only made a very small number of post and i don't like that.
someone pointed out about me fence sitting. i have not been fence sitting. just because i didn't vote for akid like everyone else doesn't mean i have been fence sitting. i have been playing more then a lot of people and have posted my thoughts about how i don't like some of bigtimes arguments about cat and akid. i think the people that should be accused of fence sitting is booter, minieko, and krowzy.
and look around every once and a while you could miss it. - ferris bueller
As for my transition onto to AKid, I had been watching him all the while the Catalina thing was happening. I felt like AKid instigated it and just went on for the ride. I thought that was scummy, and I mentioned that I was interesting in hearing more from his case. Well, a few pages later and a case hadn't really been made, just loose arguments, and AKid was throwing around excuses that didn't make any sense to me. So, I made a case myself, detailing what I had come to find scummy about AKid.
[1/13] CPE - Minineko
[1/13] desCoures - andelijah
[2/13] bigtime - kman1474, Ximbad
[1/13] Stormblind - Stormblind
[1/13] andelijah - Kami of Lunacy
[13/13] Apokalypse Kid - Catalina, Alx2, Cyan, DragonDart, TheFooFish, Booter, Krowzy, ZasZ234, goatrevolt, CPE, BigTime, desCoures, Apokalypse Kid
"The Pope was a simple Pope. We only remember him because of the fact that he declared the White Hawk to the world. His life had been unassuming, just another person who took the mantle. Little is known about his deeds beforehand, most likely because none were worth mentioning."
"Though he did declare the Hawk, his past lack of action led many to believe that his declaration of the Hawk, was just a farce, something to mark himself into the history books. Well, that it did. Believing him corrupt, the citizens and the Band of the Hawk rose up against him and burned him at the stake, the first Pope ever to die that way.
"Years later, after his life was much more studied, and his writings discovered, people discovered that his life as the Pope was nothing more then circumstancial. He was nothing more than a simple man with a large title. The citizens wept at their mistake, but this was just a small event compared to the days to come..."
Apokalypse Kid - The Pope - Town Naive Cop - Lynched Day 1
It is now night 1. Please submit your choices. I will pick a deadline soon (end of term coming up, so I gotta finish all my assignments before tuesday).
Get all your nightchoices in, and PM me even to tell me you aren't using it.
andelijah - Daiba - Kushan Summoner - Nightkilled Night 1
"This era was the era of witch hunting. Thousands died at the stakes - children, mothers, sisters, aunts, what have you. These were dark times. Many of these were not even witches. Funny thing is, there were only a few witches that died during this time, and none of them were at the stake. The most important witch figure of this time, a companion of the Struggler, was murdered. They say that the attacker was swift and silent, and that it had happened only a shout away from her companions, but who knows. History has a funny way of telling the truth.
Alx2 - Schierke - Mafia Caster - Nightkilled Night 1
Day 2 now starts. With 21 alive, it's 12 to lynch. Also, if anyone who used their abilities did NOT receive a confirmation PM, PM me immediately.
Also, ZasZ will be out of town from Friday to around Tuesday.
I targeted kman last night, he is town.
Last night I was also targeted, with some ability that made me permanently Vanilla.
...interestingly convenient. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Re-reading Alx2's posts, though, I'll vote DragonDart. You did a heck of a lot of background pushing on AKid's mislynch, especially with that bogus contradiction.
I'll also FOS Zas. What was up with that fishing in twilight? And reading back, you were doing a lot of subtle fishing throughout the last few pages as well.
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
lol, why does this happen to me every game? i guess i am always some what suspicious and the cops always check me out. even if you were lying though i think it would be kind of obvious that im town because i didn't hop on the akid bandwagon.
and look around every once and a while you could miss it. - ferris bueller
EWP: Wait, you're going to have to point out the "subtle fishing," since I have no idea what you could even be referring to.
Might have been right the first time, though. Zas, why did you push for flavour from both claimed cops?
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
You could have very well been mafia simply trying to get townie points by not jumping on the wagon knowing full well that Apokalypse Kid is not part of the mafia.
That could very well account for the two kills at night.
I concede that I am very unfamiliar with the roles of "caster" and "summoner". I would assume they are flavor based more than anything, but Apokalypse Kid's familiar role of "naive cop" would indicate otherwise.
That would be superb.
....Bah.
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It might be worth noting here that, before my real role was erased and I was made Vanilla, I had an additional win requirement, which was that Griffith(the leader of the Band of the Hawk apparently) can't survive. Revealing this info. doesn't really mean anything, as obv. he would be Town anyway, but maybe all of the Kushan have the same requirement?
I dunno, I'm clueless about the flavor of this game, and since my role was erased I no longer have that additional win condition.
Looking back, this post sounds alot like it could be coaching his scum buddies.
And only a few posts later Booter hops on the wagon by just plagiarizing my post.
Vote: Booter -I didn't like the copy-paste yesterday. And now that I know you were jumping on a townie in response to a scum's call, you really need to start explaining.
I think you're reaching on that one, honestly.