I am House of Usher. Once per night I can choose to track a see certain player and see who they target. Additionally, once per game I can see what ability they use as well.
Essentially, I am a Townie Tracker.
"Essentially" - a word altogether. As he describes it, he is a tracker.
"Townie" - weak tell, but is anyone going to claim "Mafia Tracker"?
I am House of Usher. Once per night I can choose to track a see certain player and see who they target. Additionally, once per game I can see what ability they use as well.
Essentially, I am a Townie Tracker.
Well it fits in with what noticed. He was very quick to fall back on offering to claim, indicating he had a claim that he thought would save him.
I would like a little more info but I believe the claim. As Ged pointed out though it could still be on mafia so even if it's true he can still be scum, I won't be voting him at this point however.
Callaway, please add anything you can without quoting your PM.
I don't think the meta for how you play was warranted. There is a difference between refuting a meta of you and then completely giving a meta outline for us to follow.
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I don't think the meta for how you play was warranted. There is a difference between refuting a meta of you and then completely giving a meta outline for us to follow.
I'm not getting this.
EP said: Skander tends to stick out his neck for his scumbuddies, look at Youkai where he stuck out his neck for Ace.
EP said: Skander tends to stick out his neck for his scumbuddies, look at Youkai where he stuck out his neck for Ace.
I said: No, quite the opposite in fact.
Skander is right. He was all for killing me in Youkai, which was sort-of the unspoken plan - I was next to go no matter what, and it allowed Skander to secure his spot as likely-town.
I'm... not really sure what the answer to your question is, kpaca. My role PM provides nothing else really, just a bit of weird flavor which I really do not know how to post here without quoting.
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And just so we're clear, you're telling me that it says you are "The House of Usher", period. As in you could interpret that to mean you are a house. Is this correct??
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I'm... not really sure. It doesn't explain in my role PM.
Anyways, here goes as for trying to defend myself. A bit late, I know, but I'm likely bing lynched anyways.
I admit, some of my early posts look pretty bad. Voting Cyan seemed like a good move to me at the time, but a few people took it as scummy. From there, things just went downhill. Whatever I tried to do to defend myself only made me look scummier, and eventually it seemed pointless to even try, when I knew any counter argument I tried to make would most likely make me look worse. I really just didn't see the point in digging myself a larger hole.
Well, their you go. My amazing argument. Lynch me as you wish, though prefereably you won't.
This isn't an argument at all. It isn't an explanation, it isn't anything but something that any of us could have given to explain your actions. This really makes me think that you didn't have rationale behind your actions (rationale that you would want to claim anyway) which is usually the biggest scum tell. We see your actions and say they are scummy, and you respond by saying you don't want to respond because it will only make you look scummier.
Saying that you felt helpless trying to defend yourself doesn't score any points - it actually costs you points. EXPLAIN YOURSELF. Break it down post by post if it is easier.
I read the wiki link someone posted about this story - and tracker makes no bloody sense flavorwise (if any English majors want to slap me around, please do so).
So I'd like to echo the sentiment for more flavor justification (just be sure to not incite Kraj)
I read the wiki link someone posted about this story - and tracker makes no bloody sense flavorwise (if any English majors want to slap me around, please do so).
So I'd like to echo the sentiment for more flavor justification (just be sure to not incite Kraj)
Thou shalt not game thy mod, for thy mod is a vengeful and mischievous being.
Well all I can offer on the matter is that if I remember correctly the house in The Fall of the House of Usher was a kind of character in itself, but it was like evil, and ended up collapsing in on itself killing its two owners....either way I find it highly unlikely that the House would be the character in this mafia...more than likely it would Rodderick Usher, the owner of the home.
I agree the claim is not at all worth sparing callaway but voting him before the rest of us are ready to go to night is not good play. I believe that's pretty basic.
Ged: a little bit of both. still strikes me as odd that someone can "forget" they're in a game.
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It's not that I think we shouldn't lynch him, it's that everyone should be able to say anything they need to before we finish the day. I especially want to hear the flavor from callaway, and at L-1 there's not exactly that good a chance we get anything before hammer.
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The Fall of the House of Usher was one of my few favorite things I was forced to read back in high school. As a result, I doubt the house is town, however, it is entirely possible that it is.
Quote from wiki:
"The House of Usher, itself doubly referring both to the actual structure and the family, plays a significant role in the story. It is the first "character" that the narrator introduces to the reader, presented with a humanized description: its windows are described as "eye-like" (maybe explains tracker) twice in the first paragraph. The fissure that develops in its side is symbolic of the decay of the Usher family and the house "dies" along with the two Usher siblings. This connection was emphasized in Roderick's poem "The Haunted Palace" which seems to be a direct reference to the house that foreshadows doom."
I read the wiki link someone posted about this story - and tracker makes no bloody sense flavorwise (if any English majors want to slap me around, please do so).
So I'd like to echo the sentiment for more flavor justification (just be sure to not incite Kraj)
He's likely telling the truth about his role. The main issue here is that as Az says:
I'm thinking that you and CM perhaps aren't paying as much attention as you should be, and should perhaps consider why those opinions are improperly based.
(As a hint, I was sort of hoping that my Azrael vote earlier would have a similar effect)
I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here. The Az vote you're referring to is where you vote Az and then say in the next sentence "Count me in on the Callaway wagon"? I still don't get it.
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I am House of Usher. Once per night I can choose to track a see certain player and see who they target. Additionally, once per game I can see what ability they use as well.
This ability seems really scummy to me. The once per game rolecop seems to be a great scum ability and a near useless town ability.
In the end, there's no other better lynch. I'd still like to hold off since the discussion is still giving more information.
I looked at his claim again, and it's very scummy from another perspective to me
This ability seems really scummy to me. The once per game rolecop seems to be a great scum ability and a near useless town ability.
In the end, there's no other better lynch. I'd still like to hold off since the discussion is still giving more information.
Nah, that's actually really useful on either side.
For the town, that allows the tracker verify if, for instance, the claimed "doctor" who targeted the cop last night was in fact the scum RBer, and things of that nature. Or, if their ability isn't as claimed.
It's quite neutral I'd say. Though tracker does seem to be one of those roles that winds up on the scum side fairly often since it's supposedly an alignment "neutral" role.
I'm thinking that you and CM perhaps aren't paying as much attention as you should be, and should perhaps consider why those opinions are improperly based.
I believe I know what you're saying, and I believe I could still be right.
Nah, that's actually really useful on either side.
For the town, that allows the tracker verify if, for instance, the claimed "doctor" who targeted the cop last night was in fact the scum RBer, and things of that nature. Or, if their ability isn't as claimed.
It's quite neutral I'd say. Though tracker does seem to be one of those roles that winds up on the scum side fairly often since it's supposedly an alignment "neutral" role.
It's the "one time only" nature of the ability that bugs me. Though I suppose a town tracker with a repeatable rolecop ability would be rather broken by nature.
I believe I know what you're saying, and I believe I could still be right.
@Ced- I am now certain that I know what you're saying. I don't think that "testing powers of observation" is especially useful to the discussion however, since reactions to that and analysis could be useful.
Ced's vote has not counted.
Temporary, permanent, or discretionary?
Your role, or outside effect?
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(As a hint, I was sort of hoping that my Azrael vote earlier would have a similar effect)
Here, are you arguing that the vote wasn't serious, merely...exhibitionist? The search function in this thread is still disabled, so all that I can recall is your statement that you should be considered on the Ced wagon.
The Fall of the House of Usher was one of my few favorite things I was forced to read back in high school. As a result, I doubt the house is town, however, it is entirely possible that it is.
Man, you doubt it's town but think that it is entierly possible? Can you commit to a position besides on that fence?
After catching up, Callaway was flailing about as he was being grilled and has since failed to really explain himself. And on top of it his claim is one that could fit either side. I will say I'm pretty confident that his role is what he claims, I don't believe he has the experience to false claim such. I'm just not comfortable with voting for Callaway at this time, I can't read him well enough and the evidence presented against him isn't convincing me.
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The Fall of the House of Usher was one of my few favorite things I was forced to read back in high school. As a result, I doubt the house is town, however, it is entirely possible that it is.
Quote from wiki:
"The House of Usher, itself doubly referring both to the actual structure and the family, plays a significant role in the story. It is the first "character" that the narrator introduces to the reader, presented with a humanized description: its windows are described as "eye-like" (maybe explains tracker) twice in the first paragraph. The fissure that develops in its side is symbolic of the decay of the Usher family and the house "dies" along with the two Usher siblings. This connection was emphasized in Roderick's poem "The Haunted Palace" which seems to be a direct reference to the house that foreshadows doom."
First, thats gaming the mod. Or maybe it isn't. Which side are you on?? And if you don't have a stance, why post it??
I'm thinking that you and CM perhaps aren't paying as much attention as you should be, and should perhaps consider why those opinions are improperly based.
(As a hint, I was sort of hoping that my Azrael vote earlier would have a similar effect)
Mealsothinks you should be up front with something.
I'm not saying it up-front because I'm testing people's powers of observation.
It feels to me here like you're fishing around for a bad answer to attack.
FoS Ged
I'm beginning to think you don't have any plan to be up front about, and are looking for someone else to create one for you, so you can just say "Yeah, that's it!". FOS: ced.
Mealsothinks you should be up front with something.
I'm beginning to think you don't have any plan to be up front about, and are looking for someone else to create one for you, so you can just say "Yeah, that's it!". FOS: ced.
This would make more sense if Kraj hadn't just posted a vote count showing that Ced's vote doesn't count (the middle sentence still holds true though).
You believe that you're right that I can't vote, or right that I'm bussing scum?
Correct.
Hmm.
I'd say indefinite.
Role.
My vote on you wasn't serious.
You mean the Callaway wagon, not me, right?
If Loran was still around, it would be nice if we could lynch Some One too.
EWP: at kpaca's accusations. How do you suppose I faked an inability to vote on the spot when it was suggested?
(I don't have a smilie PR)
EWP2: I'll decide how I reveal my role info when not pressured to, thank you.
First, at you EWP: Cleary I was nathed by kraj's votecount, which is why I said "nath'd by kraj's votecount". Lets not be a tool when it's unwarranted, m'kay?
Second: What was the purpose of you whole "observation exercise" other than to waste our time?
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Just something--could one of the replacements please put a vote on someone(not callaway),
just so we can be sure they can't vote? It has been heavily implied, but I would like to see this confirmed.
As for stormblind, I don't think his voting is scummy; clearly nobody is going to hammer before we're ready because
that would be really scummy, so, although it is slightly overeager, I don't see anything wrong with it.
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Second: What was the purpose of you whole "observation exercise" other than to waste our time?
How is useful information a waste of time? We can argue it might have been better not to reveal it, but a waste of time? This is mafia, and in mafia, nothing is as valuable as information. And speaking of information, the way you phrased that is a bit of :fish:.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
Just something--could one of the replacements please put a vote on someone(not callaway),
just so we can be sure they can't vote? It has been heavily implied, but I would like to see this confirmed.
As for stormblind, I don't think his voting is scummy; clearly nobody is going to hammer before we're ready because
that would be really scummy, so, although it is slightly overeager, I don't see anything wrong with it.
How is useful information a waste of time? We can argue it might have been better not to reveal it, but a waste of time? This is mafia, and in mafia, nothing is as valuable as information. And speaking of information, the way you phrased that is a bit of :fish:.
Please do lecture me on how mafia is played. Furthermore it is not a fish, as what I'm asking has nothing to do with his role. It shouldn't be construed as such by you.
This is mafia, and in mafia, misconstruing information is not pro-town
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Then why would you say something along the lines of "well I don't believe his claim is town, but I guess it could be".?
To me this could be useful if he turns up town, when you can reiterate "well I can see how the claim could have been town".[/quote]
[quote=Some One;/comments/10621977]The Fall of the House of Usher was one of my few favorite things I was forced to read back in high school. As a result, I doubt the house is town, however, it is entirely possible that it is.
I stated my views that I doubt the house would be town and I maintained my vote on Callaway. Realistically, what if I did say the underline portion? You say it is useful, but really, how so? It's not like I'm not voting for him because of it (or unvoted for that matter) or expressed for one second that I believed he was town.
Then why would you say something along the lines of "well I don't believe his claim is town, but I guess it could be".?
To me this could be useful if he turns up town, when you can reiterate "well I can see how the claim could have been town".
I stated my views that I doubt the house would be town and I maintained my vote on Callaway. Realistically, what if I did say the underline portion? You say it is useful, but really, how so? It's not like I'm not voting for him because of it (or unvoted for that matter) or expressed for one second that I believed he was town.
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@ Ged - Yes, I feel much more confidant that he would be scum, and not so confidant that he would be town.
Vote stands it would appear.
"Essentially" - a word altogether. As he describes it, he is a tracker.
"Townie" - weak tell, but is anyone going to claim "Mafia Tracker"?
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Well it fits in with what noticed. He was very quick to fall back on offering to claim, indicating he had a claim that he thought would save him.
I would like a little more info but I believe the claim. As Ged pointed out though it could still be on mafia so even if it's true he can still be scum, I won't be voting him at this point however.
Callaway, please add anything you can without quoting your PM.
What was unwarranted about it? EP meta'd me from Youkai; I refuted it.
I'm not getting this.
EP said: Skander tends to stick out his neck for his scumbuddies, look at Youkai where he stuck out his neck for Ace.
I said: No, quite the opposite in fact.
Skander is right. He was all for killing me in Youkai, which was sort-of the unspoken plan - I was next to go no matter what, and it allowed Skander to secure his spot as likely-town.
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And just so we're clear, you're telling me that it says you are "The House of Usher", period. As in you could interpret that to mean you are a house. Is this correct??
Fake-vote stands.
This isn't an argument at all. It isn't an explanation, it isn't anything but something that any of us could have given to explain your actions. This really makes me think that you didn't have rationale behind your actions (rationale that you would want to claim anyway) which is usually the biggest scum tell. We see your actions and say they are scummy, and you respond by saying you don't want to respond because it will only make you look scummier.
Saying that you felt helpless trying to defend yourself doesn't score any points - it actually costs you points. EXPLAIN YOURSELF. Break it down post by post if it is easier.
So I'd like to echo the sentiment for more flavor justification (just be sure to not incite Kraj)
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I agree the claim is not at all worth sparing callaway but voting him before the rest of us are ready to go to night is not good play. I believe that's pretty basic.
Ged: a little bit of both. still strikes me as odd that someone can "forget" they're in a game.
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Quote from wiki:
"The House of Usher, itself doubly referring both to the actual structure and the family, plays a significant role in the story. It is the first "character" that the narrator introduces to the reader, presented with a humanized description: its windows are described as "eye-like" (maybe explains tracker) twice in the first paragraph. The fissure that develops in its side is symbolic of the decay of the Usher family and the house "dies" along with the two Usher siblings. This connection was emphasized in Roderick's poem "The Haunted Palace" which seems to be a direct reference to the house that foreshadows doom."
He's likely telling the truth about his role. The main issue here is that as Az says:
it can also be on mafia.
I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here. The Az vote you're referring to is where you vote Az and then say in the next sentence "Count me in on the Callaway wagon"? I still don't get it.
For some reason the search function in this game doesn't work. It's really, really annoying. :mad:.
This ability seems really scummy to me. The once per game rolecop seems to be a great scum ability and a near useless town ability.
In the end, there's no other better lynch. I'd still like to hold off since the discussion is still giving more information.
Voting...
But I guess I'm kind of slow since I still don't get what you're trying to say. Is there a reason you can't just say it up-front?
EP: The ability isn't useless on town but I agree that it is better on scum.
Would you say, perhaps, that it's a little... weird?
Ah, I should read better.
Well I guess mine fail. The only thing I can think of is that your vote doesn't count but even that doesn't make much sense.
Nah, that's actually really useful on either side.
For the town, that allows the tracker verify if, for instance, the claimed "doctor" who targeted the cop last night was in fact the scum RBer, and things of that nature. Or, if their ability isn't as claimed.
It's quite neutral I'd say. Though tracker does seem to be one of those roles that winds up on the scum side fairly often since it's supposedly an alignment "neutral" role.
I believe I know what you're saying, and I believe I could still be right.
Close, but not quite.
@Ced- I am now certain that I know what you're saying. I don't think that "testing powers of observation" is especially useful to the discussion however, since reactions to that and analysis could be useful.
Ced's vote has not counted.
Temporary, permanent, or discretionary?
Your role, or outside effect?
Here, are you arguing that the vote wasn't serious, merely...exhibitionist? The search function in this thread is still disabled, so all that I can recall is your statement that you should be considered on the Ced wagon.
Have to agree with kpaca on this one. Definate fishing and after being fooled by you in Amistrean(sp) Mafia, I'm much more leery of your questioning.
Man, you doubt it's town but think that it is entierly possible? Can you commit to a position besides on that fence?
After catching up, Callaway was flailing about as he was being grilled and has since failed to really explain himself. And on top of it his claim is one that could fit either side. I will say I'm pretty confident that his role is what he claims, I don't believe he has the experience to false claim such. I'm just not comfortable with voting for Callaway at this time, I can't read him well enough and the evidence presented against him isn't convincing me.
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First, thats gaming the mod. Or maybe it isn't. Which side are you on?? And if you don't have a stance, why post it??
Methinks you're right.
Mealsothinks you should be up front with something.
I'm beginning to think you don't have any plan to be up front about, and are looking for someone else to create one for you, so you can just say "Yeah, that's it!". FOS: ced.
You fished. Please don't start up your angry under pressure routine.
This would make more sense if Kraj hadn't just posted a vote count showing that Ced's vote doesn't count (the middle sentence still holds true though).
Callaway is now at -1.
After seeing the reaction ced's "vote" had, why would you do this?
First, at you EWP: Cleary I was nathed by kraj's votecount, which is why I said "nath'd by kraj's votecount". Lets not be a tool when it's unwarranted, m'kay?
Second: What was the purpose of you whole "observation exercise" other than to waste our time?
To me this could be useful if he turns up town, when you can reiterate "well I can see how the claim could have been town".
just so we can be sure they can't vote? It has been heavily implied, but I would like to see this confirmed.
As for stormblind, I don't think his voting is scummy; clearly nobody is going to hammer before we're ready because
that would be really scummy, so, although it is slightly overeager, I don't see anything wrong with it.
How is useful information a waste of time? We can argue it might have been better not to reveal it, but a waste of time? This is mafia, and in mafia, nothing is as valuable as information. And speaking of information, the way you phrased that is a bit of :fish:.
Please do lecture me on how mafia is played. Furthermore it is not a fish, as what I'm asking has nothing to do with his role. It shouldn't be construed as such by you.
This is mafia, and in mafia, misconstruing information is not pro-town
So you're not confidant that he's town. Are you confidant that he's scum?
I stated my views that I doubt the house would be town and I maintained my vote on Callaway. Realistically, what if I did say the underline portion? You say it is useful, but really, how so? It's not like I'm not voting for him because of it (or unvoted for that matter) or expressed for one second that I believed he was town.
I stated my views that I doubt the house would be town and I maintained my vote on Callaway. Realistically, what if I did say the underline portion? You say it is useful, but really, how so? It's not like I'm not voting for him because of it (or unvoted for that matter) or expressed for one second that I believed he was town.
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@ Ged - Yes, I feel much more confidant that he would be scum, and not so confidant that he would be town.