Interesting Mafia Phenomenon...had the town paid attention, each time a mystery development occured, a member of the town usually figured it out but was ignored.
AE -> Mafia RFGed Cyan.
Someone else -> Huh, skander and infinis both had snapped necks, perhaps the resurrector killed him.
Zionite-> The monster creator is Frankenstein.
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I felt really good after I pegged you as scum, but then nobody really listened to me.
I had most of the town believing that I was town at that point. The fact that WoD was calling me scum too probably made you get ignored even more. The town believed there was a dichotomy between you and WoD, so if you were both calling me scum, I was probably town.
@Loran: The only criticism I have about this game was about the reveals on death. I liked the Wahali mechanic, but throwing in Guardman, WoD, Some One, and me in the mix of "untrusted" reveals was just cruel to the town. I would have gone without the reveals and just left the revealing to the Wahali.
If there was a problem with the game setup, it wasn't that it was no-reveal or dead-talk, it was the convoluted roles.
We had some talk (Me and Az, in the evaluation stage of the game) about this.
The thought of the roles was basically that i wanted the death miller for the town and the antimiller for the scum, but just having only those roles imo would seem fishy.
I also didn't want someone like zionite to see Some One turn up town, resurrect him and then go all the way. So as a hint something was wrong, WoD also came up town.
I've lost a good bit on the talk cuz my email isnt' working right now.
That said, i probably could've eliminated guardman's role in favor of a 6th Wahali.
Ged brought it up in game, the wahali was inspired by Shaman Mafia, and indeed, Shaman mafia's peacekeepers had 2 scum within them, tho one was SK.
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I'd also note that cpe has a history of lurking while town, while kpaca has a history of lurking while scum.
Just saying. If your last lynch is based entirely on lurking and on 0 case whatsoever, YOU"RE BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE.
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
My main issue with the setup was the Scum having more than one Wahali, much less one to begin with, meanwhile the town only had 3. The problem with trying to work out Wahali claims was by the time we realized how many of us there were, there were only 2 of us still alive. And once Nom and I did coordinate he said in his mind during the night, "You know what? screw the plan." The living townies he picked to investigate were TERRIBLE. D_V, dC, and Kpaca were ALL better choices at that point.
@D_V: The way you were playing the first 3 days caused me to IM Loran multiple times because it was pissing me off so royally and I actually requested a replacement at one point, which Loran ended up talking me out of and it caused me to lurk once I was dead.
The Town did not deserve to win this game. This loss increases my career high Losing Streak to 9 10. I rechecked this, it's a 10 game losing streak. I've only had 3 streaks in my mafia career though: 6 GL streak, 4GW Streak, 10 GL streak. Maybe I should go back into retirement... I made some pisspoor reads during this game. Who knows...
@ Jobie I am extremely sorry that I offended you... I really wasn't trying to. I am a little bit ashamed since I try to not be offensive/inflammatory when typing/playing the game.
Reminds me of small town when Abandon Hope, the SK, ended up killing each member of the mafia on 3 consecutive nights, and the town won despite not actually correctly lynching until day 4 when AH was lynched.
Anyway, as mafia, this game was incredibly enjoyable. Some of the enjoyable parts came from loran's ridiculous nightly PMs of DC smoking weed and parousing porn.
Reminds me of small town when Abandon Hope, the SK, ended up killing each member of the mafia on 3 consecutive nights, and the town won despite not actually correctly lynching until day 4 when AH was lynched.
Anyway, as mafia, this game was incredibly enjoyable. Some of the enjoyable parts came from loran's ridiculous nightly PMs of DC smoking weed and parousing porn.
Oh yes, i forgot to mention that Des Coures gained abilities to smoke weed and watch porn from day 3 on.
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Death-millers and their variants suck. Period. I hate them in the same way that RafK hates jesters (though I guess I didn't quit the game when one showed up, but whatever).
Death-millers and their variants suck. Period. I hate them in the same way that RafK hates jesters (though I guess I didn't quit the game when one showed up, but whatever).
Eh, i fail to see the big deal, especially when you were well aware of the possibility through WoD and Guardman's roles.
If i had one role that was an antimiller, or one role that was a death miller here, it'd be a problem. But you had every incentive not to trust them, especially the one who stayed quiet about the whole thing (Some One)
(Whereas Jesters are unfair as they prevent people from lynching in the first place...whereas all death miller varients do is mess with your assumptions)
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The point is you put in 3 people who revealed wrong on death. That means once we know about all of them, we know not to trust them (2 just means we game the mod and assume one of each alignment). The problem is that we don't know not to trust them until they're all revealed. And since they weren't all revealed until the end, we were working with mod-given false info for a long time.
To be fair, I hate godfathers and millers, too. The only reason they're more okay is because of how widely they're accepted, but I still think you should be able to trust the mod. If your mod is misleading, that's fine. If he's cryptic, that's fine. If he lies to you, that's bull****.
I suppose it would've been better if the Wahali hadn't been stupid.
The point is you put in 3 people who revealed wrong on death. That means once we know about all of them, we know not to trust them (2 just means we game the mod and assume one of each alignment). The problem is that we don't know not to trust them until they're all revealed. And since they weren't all revealed until the end, we were working with mod-given false info for a long time.
To be fair, I hate godfathers and millers, too. The only reason they're more okay is because of how widely they're accepted, but I still think you should be able to trust the mod. If your mod is misleading, that's fine. If he's cryptic, that's fine. If he lies to you, that's bull****.
I suppose it would've been better if the Wahali hadn't been stupid.
Funny bit, there were 4 of those players in the game, but Seppel's true alignment was automatically revealed by the modkill.
And well, yes, had none of the players in question claimed early you'd potentially know not to trust them. But well, if Some One had died first, you'd figure WoD would be skeptical (Knowing WoD, he'd accept it stupidly, like SoIaF mafia and the double voters, but a normal player would be skeptical). In the actual situation, All three players were revealed....which should have sent up alarm bells.
So also should Some One asking to be franked. You knew for sure that zionite was town due to the cop, or that nom was town due to being the cop and being shot at night.
But yes, i understand you not liking the role. (But please don't compare the role to a jester role...that's a far different monster)
EDIT: Side-Note, if we're talking about misleading vs lying, technically i never lied. I said Some One's soul was....pure. Moreover, the other two souls were revealed by a member of the town (some non-named tribal member, i didn't do it for some one cuz none were alive). But well..that's a craptacular argument. (in other words...don't take this point seriously).
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I love Joboman, Poggy, Niv, and Vezok, because, while they may not be the best players, they still try to win. Having fun is the most important thing to a game, but I've learned that if you don't try to win, then you're ruining everyone else's fun.
One more fun fact: We decided early on (a little after WoD and Guardman came out) that Some One was going to be ignorant of his "reveal as town" status.
In the end, though, it didn't matter, because nobody blinked an eye at his reveal.
Haven't read the whole game, but no-reveal games are always tough for towns and no-reveal games with some reveals which are actually fake are even worse. The result does not surprise me without seeing more of the setup. If the town can't even trust that their reasoning was correct after someone is lynched, it's just a killer. I thought the Seppel modkill (correct though it was) might deal the town back in, but no dice apparently.
Not even trying to do something to Bilbro was just daft though. People decided lynching him wasn't worth trying basically because he said so? What?
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
Argh! Des_Coures, you annoyed me so much in this game that I was almost certain you were town.
Well played.
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Why, thank you. The infuriation wasn't really on purpose, though -- it was a side effect of me taking advantage of the no-reveal mechanic. Say something enough times and it sticks in everyone else's minds.
Or use the whole Wahali thing, I imagine that did something. I mean, it should be obvious a plan has to be devised to stop it. Nobody even explored the ideas of Bilbo's anti-towness in detail. Actually, I'd imagine I probably talked about it the most.
Edit: See, it would appear something I expected all along was true. If you guys had lynched him, problem solved.
*raises hand* Who basically revealed everything about Bilbro's role on day 5?
Fact is, I'd basically figured out the entirety of Bilbro's role on day 3, after his first 'mysterious death'. But day 3 had Bilbro jumping the gun by killing Bio, and I had to try and take advantage of that to mitigate the damage -- and then day 4 Seppel got himself modkilled and we were completely on the back foot. Wasn't until after Bilbro's second death that I had enough evidence and the right timing to properly accuse Bilbro -- and then I ran the numbers and realized that we were all in danger of losing to Bilbro. :/
Just to clarify, I was, in fact, perfectly serious about the 'plan' I proposed. There were just several things I wasn't stating. To whit:
1. If badgered (which never happened), I was intending to reveal two 'town-friendly' caveats to the plan; the first, that despite no-lynch/no-NK, Bilbro's kills, if he continued to listen to 'the town', would essentially be two free lynches. Of course, I was never intending on no-NKing for two nights in a row.
2. The second was that I was trying not to say out loud that Bilbro would never rationally kill me, because I can't contribute to lynching him. You can see how I would have wanted to be badgered into 'revealing' this.
3. I also simply never covered in the scenarios I painted that if the mafia kill could, in fact, remove Bilbro as well, a good number of the 'Bilbro wins' scenarios became 'mafia wins'.
I had fun playing, like, everyone. I even almost got the cop lynched.
Nom would never have been lynched, honestly, no matter how badly he was playing. I just didn't say anything because you v. Nom was pretty distracting to the entire town... right up until you got yourself modkilled. :/
FUN FACT: I was playing dangerously because I didn't read the part where I would reveal as scum on death. When I turned up scum, I thought for sure desCoures would be auto-lynched, because all someone had to do was look back at the part where I called him out on not voting. He had an absurdly fake reaction followed by my absurdly fake backing-off and desClaring him town.
I really wasn't sure why you were badgering me like that -- I'd already told you in scumchat that I was intending for my no-vote to come out at some point in reaction to my 'overzealous scumhunting'. You forcing the issue didn't do much for either of us, really... but it did allow me to distance from you pretty heavily, which is probably why I didn't get lynched.
Thing is, Seppel, you're somehow really good at acting scummy as all heck and still getting a pass for it, which is why when you went all out to make yourself look good (at the expense, somewhat, of kpaca and myself), I went along with it. But after you got yourself modkilled I had to play up all the times we were all arguing with each other to justify pushing at others instead of kpaca. >_>
I was actually preparing to make a run at shibui on day 7 -- his reasoning for his scumlist was pretty bad, even though it was totally correct, and I was intending to point out his scummy reaction to Bilbro's kill, his turnaround on cpe, and how him using his ability on day 1 didn't make sense. Thankfully, I didn't have to do that -- didn't like the odds.
My main issue with the setup was the Scum having more than one Wahali, much less one to begin with, meanwhile the town only had 3. The problem with trying to work out Wahali claims was by the time we realized how many of us there were, there were only 2 of us still alive. And once Nom and I did coordinate he said in his mind during the night, "You know what? screw the plan." The living townies he picked to investigate were TERRIBLE. D_V, dC, and Kpaca were ALL better choices at that point.
Believe it or not, us having two Wahali members I considered to be a possible liability, and it very well might have been had the town Wahali coordinated themselves better. The fact is that every Wahali member who didn't have anything better to do (and neither Bio nor Seppel could have claimed their real abilities) should have been channeling someone every night. If their claimed channeling ever overlapped with another Wahali's channeling, they would have been caught in a lie, because then that person's alignment should have been revealed.
I guess the one thing I disagree with is 5 scum plus neutral plus SK in a no-reveal game. I just think it's a touch too much.
The neutral was irrelevant to the town's chances, and actually made his one kill with the intention of killing mafia. It just so happened that being AE, he missed completely.
I don't think 5 scum+SK was too much -- the SK was horribly obvious, and had Bio not been killed, would have been taken care of by the mafia at some point, at the expense of a NK, no less.
The town, on the other hand, had up to 4 town controlled kills, 2 of which came with resurrections, and a cop who could not be shut up about his results by killing him. Both of these were grossly powerful, especially the former -- Zionite could have just killed suspects while resurrecting people cleared-by-nightkill, and that alone would have set us back several days.
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Also, I thought the Wahali ability let you know the dead person's alignment even if no one else channeled as well? I thought the town Wahali would have taken a lot more advantage of that than they did...
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Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...' Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
The Zionite thing was silly to me. Both Zionite and Nom Anor claimed their roles despite no pressure and no reason to do so....if zionite stays quiet, he screws the scum, though he only had TWO SHOTS.
Zionite's night 1 firing was fine, eliminated a town suspect who was useless and resurrected a town power role. But then not firing until he was bound to be RBed, due to claiming was just stupid.
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The Zionite thing was silly to me. Both Zionite and Nom Anor claimed their roles despite no pressure and no reason to do so....if zionite stays quiet, he screws the scum, though he only had TWO SHOTS.
Zionite's night 1 firing was fine, eliminated a town suspect who was useless and resurrected a town power role. But then not firing until he was bound to be RBed, due to claiming was just stupid.
I'd actually been sure he only had one shot, partially because it was such a powerful ability, and partially because he never used it again. We shot him because he was cleared -- getting rid of his second shot was a bonus.
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Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...' Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
I'd like to take right now to specifically apologize for dropping out off of the face of the earth mid game. I was in the middle of changing universities when my posting was low. i then proceeded to be without a computer for about a month or so due to having to mail it cross country for warranty repairs. that and moving, this game kind of took second fiddle to the fact that life happens all at once.
My sincere apologies.
Also, thanks to Nom_Anor for replacing into my role. (and all the other replacements)
Awesome game, i Absolutely loved all the flavor scenes, and am incredibly sorry for having disappeared without too much notice.
I'd like to take right now to specifically apologize for dropping out off of the face of the earth mid game. I was in the middle of changing universities when my posting was low. i then proceeded to be without a computer for about a month or so due to having to mail it cross country for warranty repairs. that and moving, this game kind of took second fiddle to the fact that life happens all at once.
My sincere apologies.
Also, thanks to Nom_Anor for replacing into my role. (and all the other replacements)
Awesome game, i Absolutely loved all the flavor scenes, and am incredibly sorry for having disappeared without too much notice.
oh and Grats scum.
No trouble. It was nice replacing into a power role for once.
I don't know if nom is town or scum. But I'd like to point out this type of behavior is his standard modus operandi.
Court Mafia: Day 1, hatch plan to KILL EVERYONE ELSE IN A SINGLE NIGHT, when the plan only allows him to hit 11 random players, ATTEMPTS TO FIRE ANYHOW (Roleblocked).
In other words....Nom is an impulsive player who doesn't think about planning long-term or listening to others. I wouldn't be surprised if he was town. At all.
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Lets not listen to the guy that doesn't have an effect on the town. Actually lets lynch him instead of scum.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
AE -> Mafia RFGed Cyan.
Someone else -> Huh, skander and infinis both had snapped necks, perhaps the resurrector killed him.
Zionite-> The monster creator is Frankenstein.
etc.
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Here's why:
Also:
I had most of the town believing that I was town at that point. The fact that WoD was calling me scum too probably made you get ignored even more. The town believed there was a dichotomy between you and WoD, so if you were both calling me scum, I was probably town.
@Loran: The only criticism I have about this game was about the reveals on death. I liked the Wahali mechanic, but throwing in Guardman, WoD, Some One, and me in the mix of "untrusted" reveals was just cruel to the town. I would have gone without the reveals and just left the revealing to the Wahali.
If there was a problem with the game setup, it wasn't that it was no-reveal or dead-talk, it was the convoluted roles.
Gotta give you props for being spot-on.
The thought of the roles was basically that i wanted the death miller for the town and the antimiller for the scum, but just having only those roles imo would seem fishy.
I also didn't want someone like zionite to see Some One turn up town, resurrect him and then go all the way. So as a hint something was wrong, WoD also came up town.
I've lost a good bit on the talk cuz my email isnt' working right now.
That said, i probably could've eliminated guardman's role in favor of a 6th Wahali.
Ged brought it up in game, the wahali was inspired by Shaman Mafia, and indeed, Shaman mafia's peacekeepers had 2 scum within them, tho one was SK.
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The town squarely lost this one.
I'd also note that cpe has a history of lurking while town, while kpaca has a history of lurking while scum.
Just saying. If your last lynch is based entirely on lurking and on 0 case whatsoever, YOU"RE BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE.
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@D_V: The way you were playing the first 3 days caused me to IM Loran multiple times because it was pissing me off so royally and I actually requested a replacement at one point, which Loran ended up talking me out of and it caused me to lurk once I was dead.
The Town did not deserve to win this game. This loss increases my career high Losing Streak to
910. I rechecked this, it's a 10 game losing streak. I've only had 3 streaks in my mafia career though: 6 GL streak, 4GW Streak, 10 GL streak. Maybe I should go back into retirement... I made some pisspoor reads during this game. Who knows...Random Mafia 2 Town MVP
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Yeah. I should totally be town MVP.
You might have been the only person who didn't realize that. I mean, people knew this on DAY 1.
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Sadly, I'll support this.
Well considering I was able to peg Seppel as scum, I'll call it even.
Reminds me of small town when Abandon Hope, the SK, ended up killing each member of the mafia on 3 consecutive nights, and the town won despite not actually correctly lynching until day 4 when AH was lynched.
Anyway, as mafia, this game was incredibly enjoyable. Some of the enjoyable parts came from loran's ridiculous nightly PMs of DC smoking weed and parousing porn.
Oh yes, i forgot to mention that Des Coures gained abilities to smoke weed and watch porn from day 3 on.
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Eh, i fail to see the big deal, especially when you were well aware of the possibility through WoD and Guardman's roles.
If i had one role that was an antimiller, or one role that was a death miller here, it'd be a problem. But you had every incentive not to trust them, especially the one who stayed quiet about the whole thing (Some One)
(Whereas Jesters are unfair as they prevent people from lynching in the first place...whereas all death miller varients do is mess with your assumptions)
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To be fair, I hate godfathers and millers, too. The only reason they're more okay is because of how widely they're accepted, but I still think you should be able to trust the mod. If your mod is misleading, that's fine. If he's cryptic, that's fine. If he lies to you, that's bull****.
I suppose it would've been better if the Wahali hadn't been stupid.
Funny bit, there were 4 of those players in the game, but Seppel's true alignment was automatically revealed by the modkill.
And well, yes, had none of the players in question claimed early you'd potentially know not to trust them. But well, if Some One had died first, you'd figure WoD would be skeptical (Knowing WoD, he'd accept it stupidly, like SoIaF mafia and the double voters, but a normal player would be skeptical). In the actual situation, All three players were revealed....which should have sent up alarm bells.
So also should Some One asking to be franked. You knew for sure that zionite was town due to the cop, or that nom was town due to being the cop and being shot at night.
But yes, i understand you not liking the role. (But please don't compare the role to a jester role...that's a far different monster)
EDIT: Side-Note, if we're talking about misleading vs lying, technically i never lied. I said Some One's soul was....pure. Moreover, the other two souls were revealed by a member of the town (some non-named tribal member, i didn't do it for some one cuz none were alive). But well..that's a craptacular argument. (in other words...don't take this point seriously).
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In the end, though, it didn't matter, because nobody blinked an eye at his reveal.
Not even trying to do something to Bilbro was just daft though. People decided lynching him wasn't worth trying basically because he said so? What?
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Why, thank you. The infuriation wasn't really on purpose, though -- it was a side effect of me taking advantage of the no-reveal mechanic. Say something enough times and it sticks in everyone else's minds.
@kpaca
*raises hand* Who basically revealed everything about Bilbro's role on day 5?
Fact is, I'd basically figured out the entirety of Bilbro's role on day 3, after his first 'mysterious death'. But day 3 had Bilbro jumping the gun by killing Bio, and I had to try and take advantage of that to mitigate the damage -- and then day 4 Seppel got himself modkilled and we were completely on the back foot. Wasn't until after Bilbro's second death that I had enough evidence and the right timing to properly accuse Bilbro -- and then I ran the numbers and realized that we were all in danger of losing to Bilbro. :/
Just to clarify, I was, in fact, perfectly serious about the 'plan' I proposed. There were just several things I wasn't stating. To whit:
1. If badgered (which never happened), I was intending to reveal two 'town-friendly' caveats to the plan; the first, that despite no-lynch/no-NK, Bilbro's kills, if he continued to listen to 'the town', would essentially be two free lynches. Of course, I was never intending on no-NKing for two nights in a row.
2. The second was that I was trying not to say out loud that Bilbro would never rationally kill me, because I can't contribute to lynching him. You can see how I would have wanted to be badgered into 'revealing' this.
3. I also simply never covered in the scenarios I painted that if the mafia kill could, in fact, remove Bilbro as well, a good number of the 'Bilbro wins' scenarios became 'mafia wins'.
@Seppel
Nom would never have been lynched, honestly, no matter how badly he was playing. I just didn't say anything because you v. Nom was pretty distracting to the entire town... right up until you got yourself modkilled. :/
I really wasn't sure why you were badgering me like that -- I'd already told you in scumchat that I was intending for my no-vote to come out at some point in reaction to my 'overzealous scumhunting'. You forcing the issue didn't do much for either of us, really... but it did allow me to distance from you pretty heavily, which is probably why I didn't get lynched.
Thing is, Seppel, you're somehow really good at acting scummy as all heck and still getting a pass for it, which is why when you went all out to make yourself look good (at the expense, somewhat, of kpaca and myself), I went along with it. But after you got yourself modkilled I had to play up all the times we were all arguing with each other to justify pushing at others instead of kpaca. >_>
I was actually preparing to make a run at shibui on day 7 -- his reasoning for his scumlist was pretty bad, even though it was totally correct, and I was intending to point out his scummy reaction to Bilbro's kill, his turnaround on cpe, and how him using his ability on day 1 didn't make sense. Thankfully, I didn't have to do that -- didn't like the odds.
@Jobie
Believe it or not, us having two Wahali members I considered to be a possible liability, and it very well might have been had the town Wahali coordinated themselves better. The fact is that every Wahali member who didn't have anything better to do (and neither Bio nor Seppel could have claimed their real abilities) should have been channeling someone every night. If their claimed channeling ever overlapped with another Wahali's channeling, they would have been caught in a lie, because then that person's alignment should have been revealed.
@Nom_Anor
The neutral was irrelevant to the town's chances, and actually made his one kill with the intention of killing mafia. It just so happened that being AE, he missed completely.
I don't think 5 scum+SK was too much -- the SK was horribly obvious, and had Bio not been killed, would have been taken care of by the mafia at some point, at the expense of a NK, no less.
The town, on the other hand, had up to 4 town controlled kills, 2 of which came with resurrections, and a cop who could not be shut up about his results by killing him. Both of these were grossly powerful, especially the former -- Zionite could have just killed suspects while resurrecting people cleared-by-nightkill, and that alone would have set us back several days.
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Also, I thought the Wahali ability let you know the dead person's alignment even if no one else channeled as well? I thought the town Wahali would have taken a lot more advantage of that than they did...
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
The Zionite thing was silly to me. Both Zionite and Nom Anor claimed their roles despite no pressure and no reason to do so....if zionite stays quiet, he screws the scum, though he only had TWO SHOTS.
Zionite's night 1 firing was fine, eliminated a town suspect who was useless and resurrected a town power role. But then not firing until he was bound to be RBed, due to claiming was just stupid.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
I'd actually been sure he only had one shot, partially because it was such a powerful ability, and partially because he never used it again. We shot him because he was cleared -- getting rid of his second shot was a bonus.
Jund Fangirl; Few things can describe the bliss of the fangirl's cries fading to silence (broken by occasional munching sounds).
Grixis Emo; 'Why should I go out there? They're all uncaring zombies! *sniff* No one understands me...'
Bant Wageslave; Behind every successful knight is a corporate drudge doing his taxwork.
Naya Overenthusiast; Because there is such a thing as too much enthusiasm.
I'd like to take right now to specifically apologize for dropping out off of the face of the earth mid game. I was in the middle of changing universities when my posting was low. i then proceeded to be without a computer for about a month or so due to having to mail it cross country for warranty repairs. that and moving, this game kind of took second fiddle to the fact that life happens all at once.
My sincere apologies.
Also, thanks to Nom_Anor for replacing into my role. (and all the other replacements)
Awesome game, i Absolutely loved all the flavor scenes, and am incredibly sorry for having disappeared without too much notice.
oh and Grats scum.
Millionaires, I hear it's good Music (Disclaimer: lyrics not PG-13) Thanks, CC
No trouble. It was nice replacing into a power role for once.